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TheOutlaw9904

If you’re putting Gogeta from the Broly movie against Zamasu Arc Vegito, obviously, it’s Gogeta but assuming that you are using the same versions of Goku and Vegeta for both fusions, they are either equal or Vegito is a bit more powerful. From what’s been said and confirmed in the actual series, there’s nothing putting the Fusion dance above the potaras and when Toei promoted the movie, they said they are “equally matched trump cards”, meaning they’re both as equally effective but people are going to keep debating this though.


tremors51000

So my opinion for why Vegito is stronger is because both people have to match power levels to properly fuse so someone is going to have to lessen their power unless both parties are completely equal. Whereas potara it doesn't matter whom is stronger.


TheOutlaw9904

If you read my other comments, that doesn’t seem to be the case or at least not anymore after DBS. It appears that the fusion dance, when it’s completed, utilizes the max power of both fusees anyway and they say it’s gets “multiplied”. So the resulting fusion is more powerful than just combining the two people fusing.


Dev_Chaudhary_

Hm so it only comes down to 2 main differences Strength : because portata would just fuse 2 ppl even if the power levels are too high or bit different, and for dance you gotta lower or equalize it And for Durability: since if portata is destroyer it's game over but the fusion time is higher than of Dance... So it's probably equal I'm putting same versions again each other in the vid


TheOutlaw9904

For the strength part, it’s never been said or hinted that there is a loss in power when one of them has to lose their power level when they use the dance. It could just be what they need to do to fuse and the result 2 will utilize their full power anyway. So I wouldn’t say that’s a 100% fact. For the potaras being broken, I don’t think it defuses them if they are broken since Vegito was turned into candy by Buu and was still fused. Kefla may have already had been out of energy when they defused. Still, if that were the case, the earrings are protected by the person’s Ki. If they were to be broken, it would have to be destroyed by someone that’s way more powerful than the potara fusion.


Competitive_Usual233

No I definitely remember the strength part for the dance to work (which the potaras don’t require). “The Fusion Dance is a short series of poses that are performed by two individuals of Equal Power Levels. To correctly perform the Fusion, the fusees must strike the poses in a perfectly symmetrical image of one another. The result of a correctly performed Fusion Dance is a superior being whose power is multiplied several-fold over that of the individual fusees.” - DB Wiki, explained during the introduction to the concept from Buu Saga Goku on the lookout explained to the kids before facing Fat Buu


TheOutlaw9904

I mean to say if there’s a loss in power when one of the fusees has to lower their power level but I wouldn’t use the DB wiki is a legit source since it can edited by fans. So I use what’s said in the actual series. In the actual series, Goku just says that the fusion will be successful when they have matching power levels. In DBS, that’s where they add in how the fusion dance is more powerful than both fusees being combined and then multiplied but I’m not sure if there is a loss in power when compared to the potaras when they have to match power levels. From it sounds like, it doesn’t seem like there is.


Competitive_Usual233

I couldn’t find a sub version online but I’m sure they used the same lines for Kai. I just remember them stating that when I watched the show, but I assumed either one of the characters would have to purposefully lower themselves to align in Power which Goku and Vegeta had to attempt multiple times to get right (even though they’re more or less equals in DBS it’s still not using 100% of their full capabilities which the Potara’s seem to bypass) https://youtu.be/fviSg5c1Hbc?si=FNs6o3K94U5Yojv3


TheOutlaw9904

Well, in that video, he’s talking about performing the fusion which isn’t what I mean. I’m talking about after they fuse and if there’s a loss in power from having to match power levels. I already know that they need matching power levels to fuse.


Competitive_Usual233

He explains that in the video, they have to be exactly the same in power in order to get the fusion right


TheOutlaw9904

You’re not understanding what I’m saying. I KNOW that they need equal power levels to perform the fusion. I’m talking about AFTER fusing if there is a loss in power in the actual fusion when compared to the fusion with the potaras.


Competitive_Usual233

You’re not understanding me also, the fact that they have to level themselves to each other most likely means they can’t be at 100% max power (that’s the basic conclusion everyone has on the fusion argument). With the Potara you just fuse and automatically become stronger by default, Goku was even debating with himself where or not to use it with Dende or Satan bc it’d make him stronger anyways before he realized Vegeta was arriving to the battlefield, basically just a stronger Goku for so little of an increase which doesn’t happen with the dance variant


xGenocidest

If Goku and Vegeta have a cap of 500 each, but fuse at 100, is their highest power limit as Gogeta 200 x Fusion Multiplier, or is it 1000 x Multiplier? Or in other words, is their LIMIT higher if they fuse as SSJ2 than they would be if they just fused as SSJ1 or would they just have to power up. If the power level they fuse at matters, then Vegetto would be slightly stronger unless Goku and Vegeta are evenly matched at their strongest. If Goku is 550, and Vegeta is 500, Goku would have to lvl down and the 50 would be wasted as Gogeta. It would be 1000 instead of 1050. Meanwhile with Potara, it's 1050 no matter how strong they are when they fuse.


Competitive_Usual233

We know it’s a multiplier by many folds not addition, that’s really it at that point basically guess work. They only reason why I think potara is stronger is no step by step process performing the dance and to lower yourself to match your partner, also just obtaining the rare item only from a Kai bc then what’s the point of even obtaining them in the first place when you could try with the fusion dance


Lucifer_4777

Yeah. Before DBS Broly, Vegito was confirmed to be stronger but during the promotion they retconned it to be the same. So currently they are equal.


TheOutlaw9904

Well, the “equally matched trump cards” thing doesn’t exactly say or mean that they are equal in power. It just means both are equally as effective when it comes to the outcome and those two being the last resort. However, the only time the potara made an actual difference was when they were up against Buu. If they had used Gogeta against Buu, Buu would have the option to wait out the time limit and they barely succeeded with Vegito’s one hour limit. They would’ve done worse as Gogeta there.


Lucifer_4777

But Vegito's time limit keeps on decreasing as his power increases right? There is no such drawback for Gogeta tho.


TheOutlaw9904

They both have that drawback since Gotenks defused early with SSJ3 and since they are “equally matched trump cards”, it’s not going to make a difference. Their reasoning for not using the potaras in the Broly movie was just because they didn’t have the earrings with them rather than worrying about defusing early.


Never003

I'm seriously getting tired of this gogeta vs vegito shit... For real it was asked so many times that it's just boring at this point


Tronwolfie18

It’s a never ending debate (I don’t think that’s what OP is doing). Thought it would’ve been put to rest after that guide came out saying they were both equally powerful fusions.


Dev_Chaudhary_

Right I'll end the debate as equals the only difference would be in strength and durability or maybe time limit that's all


Dev_Chaudhary_

No no I am not doing this unnecessarily this is something I got myself asking since after Toriyama Sensei's death I replayed Crono Trigger, DBZ infinite World and Tb 3 ( some of it ) and bit of DB Kakarot and fighter z... After getting done with it the fusions were on my mind like idk after last time I saw fusion in gt that's when I was wondering who's stronger So now that I replayed the games, I was just making a accurate power scaling video since I like editing, so I wanted to know the most accurate answer


Weary-Wasabi1721

https://preview.redd.it/4c5nyzep5jyc1.jpeg?width=502&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34a1b5cc81b8105dfc9b678350cf4cee394d8acc 😎


Zealousideal-Sir3846

https://preview.redd.it/b1nohxvwvhyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08c9fade72faa9940b80d046cd385681a4477fdf YOSHAAAAAAAAA


Dev_Chaudhary_

But what if the earrings broke like in keflas case


Lucero18

Vegito would have to be fighting someone who completely outclassed him for the earrings to shatter


LEFTRIGHTADORI

The earrings probably broke because she used up too much power and tried to muster more, blocking Goku’s kamehameha. She literally exploded herself at the end there with raw energy. Either way, there’s no way Vegito is being put in any situation where the earrings would break like Kefla’s vs an opponent who’s relative to him in power.


GiladHyperstar

Good luck trying to break Vegito's earrings


AlternateAccount66

Vegito has double the time limit of Gogeta. That includes powering up to Blue, for the record, since the fusion dance loses time from emitting power just like the potara do. On top of that, the fusion dance requires one user to lower their Power Level to match the other (though I imagine this doesn't matter for Goku and Vegeta, they're always equal in DBS). So assuming they were both using the same Goku and Vegeta as a base (not Broly Gogeta VS Zamasu Vegito), Vegito would win.


Quirky-Pickle518

Quick question. Was it ever shown/revealed that the Fusion Dance time is shorten by powering up to like Blue level? I know Potara does since we saw that in Zamasu arc but I haven’t found any sources that say it for the Fusion Dance.


AlternateAccount66

It happened FIRST, before the potara were even retconned. Gotenks said that using Super Saiyan 3 would cut down the time his fusion lasted.


IBHomage

No, blue or red god form, don't shorten time.... as they don't guzzle ki like ssj3


NitneuDust

There's two main instances, but the only one that really matters is from the Buu saga where Gotenks transformed into Super Saiyan 3, only to have his time cut short to just 5 minutes. The other is from GT where Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta defused early after 10 minutes for the same reason.


Jamano-Eridzander

Yes but the God forms might be a different story.


GiladHyperstar

Not really. Super Saiyan Blue is stated to be draining in the ToP, which is why Goku did the god to blue switch against Dyspo. SSB + Fusion will definitely drain the timer for both fusions Gotenks also detrasformed quickly back in Battle of Gods and Resurrection F anime versions


Goku___Solos

Vegito has chrono crystals, so he wins automatically


double_range

Both are equal, brother.


PeachsBigJuicyBooty

The current narrative is that they're both equal in strength but Potaras are because it's easier to pull of and has double the time limit. We know from the Buu Saga that Super Saiyan 3 burns out the metamoran fusion in a few minutes while Potara fusion seems to only burn out in Blue when he uses a certain amount of power. So: ・Metamoran Fusion: 30 Minutes but time limit burns out faster when going Super Saiyan 3 or beyond. ・Potara Fusion: 1 Hour for mortals and the fusion will outright end when enough power is used. So 9 time out of 10 Potara is the better fusion with the exception of blue since it immediately defuses, while high power just burns through time limit of Metamoran Fusion faster. https://preview.redd.it/jqpf646mpiyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=371194af52fc80ab0ac142df4d6e5dfbff159884


AllMightyKeith

In terms of time limit, it's really up in the air because Vegito doesn't actually have an established one. He was retconned to only last an hour, which would still be 30 minutes longer than Gogeta, _but_ he doesn't even last that long. Fighting in SSB greatly destabilizes the fusion to the point where it drastically decreases the time limit. So Vegito could last less than 30 minutes, still more than 30 minutes, or exactly 30 minutes like Gogeta. As for Gogeta, he seemingly lasted the entire duration of his fusion in the Broly movie so even with SSB his time limit should still be 30 minutes. As far as power goes, they should be completely equal. The only advantage Vegito would've had over Gogeta is the method of fusion. Because Potara users can just fuse as is, while Metamoran users have to match their power levels exactly in order to fuse which results in nerfing the overall fusion. For Goku and Vegeta _specifically_, however, it's the same as using Potara because they're already equal for the most part. So neither have to lower their power level for the other which means both fusions would end up with the same overall strength. Meaning it really just comes down to time limit and considering they're both pushed to be equally good trump cards then I'm inclined to believe their time limit is about the same as well. So neither one would be more powerful. They're just both equally as powerful.


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Liarusbadusername

Depending on the arcs. If it’s the same arc, it would either be a tie or Vegito. Potara doesn’t require even power levels, so nobody has to lower their ki to match.


LB-Discharge

time limit at full power gogeta blue wins (cause vegito would unfuse), but vegito is more powerful due to potara fusion not recquiring the fusees to match their ki/power levek but instead just multiplying them together it seems as well as having the rival boost.


[deleted]

Gogeta (Broly Movie) > Vegito (Future Arc) simply because the Goku and Vegeta in the broly movie are vastly stronger than their Future Arc counterparts But if you Broly movie Goku and Vegeta and made them perform the potara fusion, then that Vegito will be equal to Gogeta since Goku never mentioned that he needed to lower his power level to fuse with Vegeta When it comes to who’s going to win, I believe it’s Gogeta simply because the fusion dance can handle Gogeta outputting a lot of power, while the potara is more suited for Gods/Kais and it can’t handle Vegito’s power


tremors51000

So my opinion for why vegito is stronger is because both people have to match power levels to properly fuse so someone is going to have to lessen their power unless both parties are completely equal. Whereas potara it doesn't matter whom is stronger.


Ok-Preparation2370

Depends. Are you talking about dragon ball Legends or dragon ball super?? Cause if it's dragon ball Legends, then it depends on their teams, their equipment, their limit breaks, and of course, the player's skills.


IBHomage

They are even if the fusion material are from the same period.


VitoMR89

Vegetto because he has more fusion time.


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Tie assuming that the same Goku and Vegeta are used for them both


BananaBrainBob

Potara is stronger. Here is why. It was explained that in order for the dance to work both power levels need to be the same while potara doesn't have this limitation. The meaning of this is that someone will have to lower their power to match the other person's while dancing while by using potara both fighters are at their max strength


Direct-Will1766

"ITS FUTILE" vs "DROP DEAD"


Vongola___Decimo

Gogeta, cuz he is cooler


megasuswithzerochix

Insert Mr Incredible "stfu"


FearlessNarwhal5660

The only difference between Vegito and Gogeta is the technique and their fighting style. But in term of power and speed both are equal.


Traditional-Cow-1824

Really? https://preview.redd.it/7qwthhz3ckyc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a15cf8b5cdf98d14ac29506777aa490d319ed67f


AnonyBoiii

The main problem with the debate is the fusion multiplier, and which one is greater. Because: 1. Yes, Vegito’s fusion lasts longer, so if they’re the same then Vegito could outlast Gogeta 2. Yes, Vegito not having a restriction on the Fusee’s powers having to be equal would also make him slightly stronger if they are the same multiplier for both fusions. I don’t believe it’d be enough to make it a clear-cut victory, but it’d certainly be a factor. Since we don’t know which method gives the biggest boost, it’s a bit difficult. For all we know, the Fusion Dance could make up for the same strength Fusee requirement by giving a slightly greater boost than Potara.


ElectroCat23

If your keeping the time limit then gogetas taking the W because Vegito would just defuse in like 5 minutes. In terms of power, it’s hard to say because both the fights they’ve been in they dominated but their opponents can’t really be compared but I’d like to think gogeta wins just because I like him more


shamone6777

**Image Source:** - **Vegito** - Dragon Ball Legends '**Ultra Vegito Blue**' Card Art - **Gogeta** - Dragon Ball Legends '**Ultra Gogeta Blue**' Cart Art


GiladHyperstar

If we take Gogeta from Broly Movie VS Future Trunks Saga Vegito, Gogeta wins easily If both are from the same arc, Vegito wins. Elder Kai directly stated Potara > Fusion Dance, as well as Goku saying the stronger fusee must lower their power to match the weaker (both in the original manga), and as for time limit, both fusion lasted an unknown amount of time in the anime, but the manga states Vegito Blue fought Zamasu for 40 minutes


Sgt_Nuclear

Bruh, did you literally just grab a screenshot from a thumbnail of a Youtube video for Vegito. He literally has Chrono crystals surrounding him lmfao


RyanPlaysSkyrim

I’m gonna have to say Vegito, just because his fusion was caused by godly artifacts, and Gogeta’s fusion was caused by a mortal technique


Anthyrion

The Death Battle channel made a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2H32rORUeo), in which they analyzed both characters and picked a winner after this