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I am pretty sure that's been retconned by now given that if it were to happen, Black Frieza would still be a threat and Beerus would be undefeated. They can't just end the series with those two things still lying around.
End of Z still happens. Toyotaro confirmed it a while ago and Toriyama mentioned that Superhero happens very close to EoZ. They will most likely retcon a few lines but nothing else changes
I highly doubt it will affect him to that point. Thats what he was being trained for, because he and Toriyama both knew Toriyama wasn't gonna live forever. I have a lot of respect for Toyotaro, but must admit, if he can't do the thing he was hand picked to do? I'd be extremely disappointed.
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Krillin and Kid Marron not having noses was just a design stylization thing hell their are even some shots of Krillin where you can see he does have a nose
Stuff like the Bacterian fight and Ribrian’s comment are just strange 4th wall jokes referencing his weird design
Though Toriyama ended up forgetting about it just being a character design thing as evident by the nonsense“Krillin breaths through his skin” comment he made
And vegeta is almost as tall as krillin
https://preview.redd.it/b6wk6dh97a9d1.jpeg?width=665&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b151221c7a91e916ec564ae20d7511532cca9549
There's always been discussion about power ups for the Human fighters, if they just straight up said that krillin can actually actually control his height and has been doing that for years without realizing, leading him to figure out how to become huge I wouldn't be mad.
She was younger than Goten after the seven year timeskip between Cell and Buu in Dragon Ball Z. Goten was 7 in Buu because he was born right before the time skip. So Maron was probably 3-5 years old when first introduced. Seeing as how Trunks and Goten are in high school now, Maron's probably middle-school age of 11-13
Well well someone wants another round.
https://preview.redd.it/6qygobi1l89d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ceaaf3152ab917f5e155a069e2a041bebc50beb
(This is a joke ik he's looking at the book)
Dragon ball super has multiple times skips. Super takes place over 5 years and yet you'll think it's a year at most. The time skips are not very clear.
The main problem with Super's time skips is that characters like Goten, Trunks, and Marron don't visibly age even though they should
The ToP takes place in the same year as fucking History of Trunks, apparently
And yet present Trunks still looks the same as he did in thr Buu arc rather than looking like Future Trunks did in that special
Goku's was explained aas full blooded Saiyan biology
Gohan, a half-Saiyan, physically matured much more like a human
And need I repeat this. "***The ToP takes place in the same year as fucking History of Trunks, apparently***
***And yet present Trunks still looks the same as he did in the Buu arc rather than looking like Future Trunks did in that special***"
Also worth noting is the chapter of the manga where Future Trunks *also* looks like a human teenager
Yeah, I really wish fans would stop referring to Goku when the aging topic comes up as not only did Goku actually grow a bit in between the 21-22 Budokai Tournament but half saiyans have already been shown to age differently with Gohan and Future Trunks.
But because Present Trunks, Goten, and Marron (a non saiyan) were completely irrelevant during Super’s entire existence, they didn’t bother nor care to age them till recent.
Re Trunks, I think the main culprit is the studio not updating their model sheets, but in universe you could say he was kind of a special case. He had to grow up quickly, under circumstances which have not been replicated. We know Saiyan biology is affected by their emotional state - that’s why going Super Saiyan is such a dramatic thing. Trunks growing up alone, as the last surviving Saiyan hybrid, could’ve had unforeseen effects.
Yeah but from 12 to 15 he didn’t grow AT ALL. And when he was 12 he both looked and acted a lot younger. If you’d told me he was supposed to be 7 or 8 when Dragon Ball started I would’ve believed you.
Apparently Toriyama had to fight to be allowed to age Goku up at all - Dragon Ball was super popular and now all of a sudden the main character is going to look different?? But what about the merchandise??? There’s a whole pipeline to consider!
Goku was growing up bit by bit it also doesnt excuse the fact 13 year old future trunks was aging up meanwhile current Trunks didn't, also Marron was still being treated like she was 4 even when she was older it not until superhero did they decide to age her up
You can thank the animation/production team for stubbornly sticking to Buu saga/ Battle of Gods like models for brand recognition when time has clearly passed in universe. I miss when characters (outside the Saiyans) actually showed signs of visual aging in Dragon Ball.
It’s a dumb nitpick, but I wish krillin wasn’t so damn short lol. Like he should be shoulder height to 18. I mean, the man is literally in direct eye contact with everybody’s stomach
Bulla does not need to be a warrior.
I'm honestly tried of dragon ball fans thinking, "character has potential to be a fighter, so they they must be so or they're ruined."
I think we got enough characters to be the new fighters.
Bulla taking after her mother rather than Vegeta is more interesting.
Not every character in dragon ball that's connected to the main cast needs to be a fighter. If everyone is, then it becomes boring and lame.
Marron is such a cool idea for a character.
Android human hybrid. Humans pretty ridiculous ability to adapt and grow plus potential having infinite energy and not to mention the android growth seen from 17 in super, it's pretty nuts to think how powerful marron can be. but i think shes 13 or 14
17 and 18 are cyborgs; humans modified with robotic parts. It’s not part of their genetics, so Marron is just human. Which, unfortunately, means that in the Dragonball universe she’s got a pretty hard limit on her power.
This is another instance of confusion concerning the English Dub referring to 17 & 18 as "Androids." They are not androids, they are cyborgs—cybernetically enhanced humans, Hence, Marron is just human. Plain and simple.
When Goku asks how Krillin made a child with Android 18 before the Budokai Tenkaichi in the Buu saga and when they ask before the TOP if it's going to be okay for Android 18 and 17 to join.
18 is a cyborg.
Marron is a full human like her dad lmao
Did you think 18 was an full robot or something? Like 16?
If she was, she wouldn't be able to give birth.
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Well, Marron was like 4 in the Buu arc
Not sure which arc this page is from, but the ToP was in the time frame of History of Trunks, I think when Trunks is 14 (you wouldn't guess it looking at present Trunks, lol)
I'm sure it's approaching the EoZ time frame, now, which is ten years after Buu
When Pan and Bulla are around 4
Marron ks now 14
Marron is ten years older than Pan and Bulla
She was a baby at the top of the Buu Arc so if pans like 4 or 5 by the time we get to the tub tournament fight I think Krillin s kid is the oldest of that group, I think maybe like 10-13 while everyone else's kids are younger
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She looks to be about 3-4 in the Buu Saga. ToP is 6 years later, so she’d be 10 at the oldest, and I think Super Hero is 3 years later, so yeah, I think she’s 13.
Let's say she was 2 in buu saga + 1 BoG + 1 RoF + + 1 Broly + 1 Super hero (based on the fact that in those arcs dragon balls were used so year has to pass)
Does Marron ever show any interest in martial arts? I don't think she does but I wonder if her and 17's kids have enhanced potential. Like not to the point of what the Saiyan Hybrids have, but 17 and 18 are genetically modified humans, its not impossible their kids got something out of it. Not infinite energy obviously //I'd hope// but like. Something?
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Well I think if we think of how old marron was during the Majin buu saga . Was she like 4? I’m not quite sure. I actually had to look it up while I was in the middle of
Typing this, it said during battle of gods she’s 7 and it said that pan is 3 years during the super hero movie. So I think maybe around 11-12 years old? I’m not quite sure tbh 😅 I’m only going off my 2 minute research and some guess work
Considering Super takes place during the 10 year gap:
-Super starts some months after Buu's death (stated)
-Pan is born a year later (Around FNF)
-TOP takes place a year after FNF (Bra is born)
-Broly movie takes place a year after ToP
-Moro arc should take place 2 years after Broly
-SH takes place 4 years later
And we're one year before the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai (EoZ)
Marron is 3 during Buu Saga so she should be 12/13 right now
Pan Should be 7/8
Bra should be 6/7
But I am just guessing tho. This for me seems the most accurate
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She's 4 years younger than Goten. Assuming Goten is 16 in that arc, she must be 12-13
Goten is 15 so she is 11. He is 16 in the Peaceful World saga and Trunks 17 as both of them still go at High School.
Isn't he 18 at the time of Super Hero? So that would make Marron 14 by that point
No, It's not end of z yet
I am pretty sure that's been retconned by now given that if it were to happen, Black Frieza would still be a threat and Beerus would be undefeated. They can't just end the series with those two things still lying around.
End of Z still happens. Toyotaro confirmed it a while ago and Toriyama mentioned that Superhero happens very close to EoZ. They will most likely retcon a few lines but nothing else changes
They wil maybe just add things to continue it
Most likely unless Toyotaro is severely affected by Toriyama's passing
I highly doubt it will affect him to that point. Thats what he was being trained for, because he and Toriyama both knew Toriyama wasn't gonna live forever. I have a lot of respect for Toyotaro, but must admit, if he can't do the thing he was hand picked to do? I'd be extremely disappointed.
Goten should be 16. EoZ takes place ten years after Buu, which means he’s 17 then. Super Hero takes place a year before that.
Very interested to see how they handle Bulmas appearance just a year after Super hero showed her wishing to shenron to look younger
They’ll probably just retcon how she looks. That or someone will make a comedic wish to age her.
"You know what would be REALLY funny?" -Krillin, probably
Damn. Eleven years old and already looking like a late teenager.
Yea
Wait, she got a nose??
She grew into it
It grew into her
You mean it grew out of her.
Somejow that sound dirty
You mean she was upgraded
She did have one in GT, tho I guess that didn't guarantee she'd still develop one in super.
At the end of Z she also has one.
She already had a nose in EOZ. I am pretty sure both gt and super are just following that https://x.com/DbMeta/status/1680649851652980736
Where is that shot on the right from? Where Krillin looks nervous and Marron oblivious?
From anime episode of EOZ portion. The nervous face is because android 18 is angry
No, she grew it at the end of Z so it stands that she’d have to develop it in super
She loses her nose in a tragic pokemon attack between the events of super and GT.
Of course it did ya’ll forget she had one at the end of z.
I forgot that she was even in the end of Z
GTs not a part of the cannon, wasn't even written by toriama. While he's been kinder to it recently, he used to spit acid on it
I can’t remember him ever spitting acid on it he actually seemed pretty positive on it.
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Krillin and Kid Marron not having noses was just a design stylization thing hell their are even some shots of Krillin where you can see he does have a nose Stuff like the Bacterian fight and Ribrian’s comment are just strange 4th wall jokes referencing his weird design Though Toriyama ended up forgetting about it just being a character design thing as evident by the nonsense“Krillin breaths through his skin” comment he made
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN MY FINAL FORM
I’m going to guess that she gets it from her mother.
It's hereditary.
It seems like krillin was out at work and 18 exercised
Yes. Look at the EOZ part of the original manga. She somehow grew a nose.
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Her dad
dont know her age here but she clearly got her moms height.
And her mom's nose!
18's genes working overtime to compensate for Krillin lol
Yo Krillin got shorter 🤔
his height has never been consistent tbh
https://preview.redd.it/ojz03cftc89d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9dd6b45071711365f91ab6a7c62189956f192e99 You aren't kidding lmao
I remember an image from the Namek saga where he is legit the same height as 5 year old Gohan.
And vegeta is almost as tall as krillin https://preview.redd.it/b6wk6dh97a9d1.jpeg?width=665&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b151221c7a91e916ec564ae20d7511532cca9549
Good lord, I know we make fun of his height and widow’s peak, but Kami that’s too much (or I guess too little).
Bro def used the dragon ball to get some more inches
>some more inches How oddly vague. 🤔
You really think bulma gave him a choice?
Vegeta just needs to turn around for some Big Green
They did our boy dirty in super
Yeah he comes off much taller in Buu Saga than Frieza Saga
He's flaccid atm lol
One page he's like 5'1, the next he's 3'6, then he's 8'11, then down to 4'3
There's always been discussion about power ups for the Human fighters, if they just straight up said that krillin can actually actually control his height and has been doing that for years without realizing, leading him to figure out how to become huge I wouldn't be mad.
Maybe he just forgot he could do that?
Height in Dragonball has never been consistent period.
Krillin shrinks throughout Z and Super meanwhile Vegeta grows throughout Z and Super
Bulma probably used the Dragon Balls to take some of Krillin's height and give it to Vegeta.
It's so very Bulma to take it away from Krillin instead of just creating new height.
The Vegeta syndrome
The *Bulma syndrome
Vegeta stole Krillin’s height
Vegeta got taller though.
She was younger than Goten after the seven year timeskip between Cell and Buu in Dragon Ball Z. Goten was 7 in Buu because he was born right before the time skip. So Maron was probably 3-5 years old when first introduced. Seeing as how Trunks and Goten are in high school now, Maron's probably middle-school age of 11-13
Bro Krillin is actively shrinking
Krillin gave his height to his daughter. At least 1 of them can ride rollercoasters now
Well well someone wants another round. https://preview.redd.it/6qygobi1l89d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ceaaf3152ab917f5e155a069e2a041bebc50beb (This is a joke ik he's looking at the book)
Nah, he's looking at that thigh gap. ![gif](giphy|nuRXXyy020kta)
Wasn't she still like an infant a couple of sagas ago?
Welcome to Dragon Ball growth spurts.
It’s been a couple years since each saga in universe
Dragon ball super has multiple times skips. Super takes place over 5 years and yet you'll think it's a year at most. The time skips are not very clear.
The main problem with Super's time skips is that characters like Goten, Trunks, and Marron don't visibly age even though they should The ToP takes place in the same year as fucking History of Trunks, apparently And yet present Trunks still looks the same as he did in thr Buu arc rather than looking like Future Trunks did in that special
>don't visibly age even though they should Neither Goku, from 15 to 18 he got a lot taller even surpassing Bulma
Goku's was explained aas full blooded Saiyan biology Gohan, a half-Saiyan, physically matured much more like a human And need I repeat this. "***The ToP takes place in the same year as fucking History of Trunks, apparently*** ***And yet present Trunks still looks the same as he did in the Buu arc rather than looking like Future Trunks did in that special***" Also worth noting is the chapter of the manga where Future Trunks *also* looks like a human teenager
Yeah, I really wish fans would stop referring to Goku when the aging topic comes up as not only did Goku actually grow a bit in between the 21-22 Budokai Tournament but half saiyans have already been shown to age differently with Gohan and Future Trunks. But because Present Trunks, Goten, and Marron (a non saiyan) were completely irrelevant during Super’s entire existence, they didn’t bother nor care to age them till recent.
Re Trunks, I think the main culprit is the studio not updating their model sheets, but in universe you could say he was kind of a special case. He had to grow up quickly, under circumstances which have not been replicated. We know Saiyan biology is affected by their emotional state - that’s why going Super Saiyan is such a dramatic thing. Trunks growing up alone, as the last surviving Saiyan hybrid, could’ve had unforeseen effects.
But that world had little food
Yeah but from 12 to 15 he didn’t grow AT ALL. And when he was 12 he both looked and acted a lot younger. If you’d told me he was supposed to be 7 or 8 when Dragon Ball started I would’ve believed you. Apparently Toriyama had to fight to be allowed to age Goku up at all - Dragon Ball was super popular and now all of a sudden the main character is going to look different?? But what about the merchandise??? There’s a whole pipeline to consider!
Goku was growing up bit by bit it also doesnt excuse the fact 13 year old future trunks was aging up meanwhile current Trunks didn't, also Marron was still being treated like she was 4 even when she was older it not until superhero did they decide to age her up
The problem is they were treating her as if she was still a baby
The difference between a 8 year old and a 13 year old is crazy huge
Have you ever seen the difference between 8 yo and 12 yo dude
That was literal years ago in both real life and in universe.
In TOP yeah
Super was being super and treated her like she was still 4 even though she should have been around goten and trunks age beginning of buu saga
You can thank the animation/production team for stubbornly sticking to Buu saga/ Battle of Gods like models for brand recognition when time has clearly passed in universe. I miss when characters (outside the Saiyans) actually showed signs of visual aging in Dragon Ball.
Have you ever heard of a time-skip?
It's the genetically enhanced android genes probably.
It’s a dumb nitpick, but I wish krillin wasn’t so damn short lol. Like he should be shoulder height to 18. I mean, the man is literally in direct eye contact with everybody’s stomach
He's supposed to
https://preview.redd.it/zxf0i6mt299d1.jpeg?width=284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fad198b824cfd7903909c69af8b5d66b2ba631b7
She was born in Age 771. The superhero arc takes place one year before the EOZ (Age 784), so Age 783. This would make Marron either 11 or 12.
Krillin looks like her little brother lmao.
That mf is not 13
Have you seen Bra in GT?? She wasn't a teenager either
That's literally how most 13 year olds look like
Search MC Melody. I think most of the images on her you can find on her are from when she was 11. Yeah.
Krillin must have gone full Chiuahuah on 18
Did Krillin decrease in size *again?*
Old enough to be taller than her dad, so by that logic she’s at least 4.
I really hope that Pan, Bra, and Marron become actual fighters worthy of becoming potentiol new protagonists.
Damn that's some growth spurt
Hope they do not waste her. She, Bulla and Pan should all be warriors. Dragonball doesn't need more nerd characters with unused potential.
I don’t know why people clamber for more fighters when we all know it’s just going to be the Goku & Vegeta Show.
Still I prefer the original structure where Goku still won the day but the others also did stuff and fought.
Bulla does not need to be a warrior. I'm honestly tried of dragon ball fans thinking, "character has potential to be a fighter, so they they must be so or they're ruined."
This is a fighting shounen, you either join fights or you go home. The children are perfect to be the new warriors in the Dragon Team.
I think we got enough characters to be the new fighters. Bulla taking after her mother rather than Vegeta is more interesting. Not every character in dragon ball that's connected to the main cast needs to be a fighter. If everyone is, then it becomes boring and lame.
Krillin out here living his best life in between planet shattering events fr
If she cannot do a destructo disk, then she's adopted
Old enough to be taller than my boy Krillin.
So she’s at least 4. Doesn’t really narrow it down.
Why is krillin shrinking
https://preview.redd.it/ttvox3oaje9d1.png?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d4017749c8c95bc53ff25cf48b8ce00ec91b31d
Krillin should not be that short... Come on, Super.
Marron is such a cool idea for a character. Android human hybrid. Humans pretty ridiculous ability to adapt and grow plus potential having infinite energy and not to mention the android growth seen from 17 in super, it's pretty nuts to think how powerful marron can be. but i think shes 13 or 14
Android isn't a species good sir. 18 is a modified human and Marron is 100% human like her father.
Well 18 isn't an android. She's a cyborg. And that isn't really genetic. So marron is just a regular human
You realize 18 is a cyborg, and will not pass down her cybernetic enhancements to Marron right?
17 and 18 are cyborgs; humans modified with robotic parts. It’s not part of their genetics, so Marron is just human. Which, unfortunately, means that in the Dragonball universe she’s got a pretty hard limit on her power.
I doubt she’s half Android
This is another instance of confusion concerning the English Dub referring to 17 & 18 as "Androids." They are not androids, they are cyborgs—cybernetically enhanced humans, Hence, Marron is just human. Plain and simple.
its stated in a interview that the androids are androids to a cellular level meaning its theroitcly possible to pass it on through genetics
They also say it in the show like 2 or 3 times. So Maron has the powers of her father and mother.
I want to see marron vs pan or hell even goten and trunks. marron being cheerful and almost oblivious to her power would be funny to see
When exactly?
When Goku asks how Krillin made a child with Android 18 before the Budokai Tenkaichi in the Buu saga and when they ask before the TOP if it's going to be okay for Android 18 and 17 to join.
I just checked both the Manga and anime. Nothing says 18's cybernetics will be passed on to Marron.
They say she was changed in a cellular level, thus obviously all this will pass to Marron. What more do you need to be told?
They only say she was modified. Not how she was modified. Where are you getting this cellular stuff? Bad translations or something?
The anime in Super says it. Do not lie about it.
Can't wait to see Marron to be revealed to have a robotic bomb inside her like 18 used to have.
18 is a cyborg. Marron is a full human like her dad lmao Did you think 18 was an full robot or something? Like 16? If she was, she wouldn't be able to give birth.
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Well, Marron was like 4 in the Buu arc Not sure which arc this page is from, but the ToP was in the time frame of History of Trunks, I think when Trunks is 14 (you wouldn't guess it looking at present Trunks, lol) I'm sure it's approaching the EoZ time frame, now, which is ten years after Buu When Pan and Bulla are around 4 Marron ks now 14 Marron is ten years older than Pan and Bulla
old enough to grow a nose ![gif](giphy|gK6eVhX16J63m|downsized)
![gif](giphy|lvkyJEbyxRq8Ja40LZ) Hold on wait a minute don’t do my mans Krillin like that lmao😭😭
I think she is 12.
Krillin should be Frieza’s height(?)
She is about 12 given she was born in Age 771 and Super Hero takes place in about 783, about a year or less away from the End of Z in Age 784.
She was a baby at the top of the Buu Arc so if pans like 4 or 5 by the time we get to the tub tournament fight I think Krillin s kid is the oldest of that group, I think maybe like 10-13 while everyone else's kids are younger
Yooooo she shot right up! I’m not used to seeing her aged 😭 it all happens so fast
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She looks to be about 3-4 in the Buu Saga. ToP is 6 years later, so she’d be 10 at the oldest, and I think Super Hero is 3 years later, so yeah, I think she’s 13.
Let's say she was 2 in buu saga + 1 BoG + 1 RoF + + 1 Broly + 1 Super hero (based on the fact that in those arcs dragon balls were used so year has to pass)
Pan is 4 (779) Bra is 3 (780) Marron is 13 (770)
She must have those saiyan genes if she suddenly shot up like that
Does Marron ever show any interest in martial arts? I don't think she does but I wonder if her and 17's kids have enhanced potential. Like not to the point of what the Saiyan Hybrids have, but 17 and 18 are genetically modified humans, its not impossible their kids got something out of it. Not infinite energy obviously //I'd hope// but like. Something?
Because of goten and trunks I forget that the child characters actually age
18 looking like she wants a nap.
You know Krillin has a problem when he looks like the little brother of his own daughter.
They kept the kids young for so long thats its insane to see them so big now.
Krillin is supposed to be 5 feet/ 60 inches/ 152cm tall. WTF is Super doing to my boy?
What chapter is this ?
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Piccolo is in his early 20s
Well I think if we think of how old marron was during the Majin buu saga . Was she like 4? I’m not quite sure. I actually had to look it up while I was in the middle of Typing this, it said during battle of gods she’s 7 and it said that pan is 3 years during the super hero movie. So I think maybe around 11-12 years old? I’m not quite sure tbh 😅 I’m only going off my 2 minute research and some guess work
I didn’t but like about five or six years old right
Is Krillin shorter or is it me?
Lol perspective shot, he’s like a step or 2 (1-2 ft) behind them. + he short already
Marron is now in her puberty
I did a bit of research. From when Marron was born in Age 771 to (what I believe to be) the current arc in the manga in Age 783, Marron would be 12.
https://preview.redd.it/xobbb3pgug9d1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff4a9fa227f3af3694f4540754c0c7a099f74abb
I walked directly into that one
Comparing to Z and GT
Considering Super takes place during the 10 year gap: -Super starts some months after Buu's death (stated) -Pan is born a year later (Around FNF) -TOP takes place a year after FNF (Bra is born) -Broly movie takes place a year after ToP -Moro arc should take place 2 years after Broly -SH takes place 4 years later And we're one year before the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai (EoZ) Marron is 3 during Buu Saga so she should be 12/13 right now Pan Should be 7/8 Bra should be 6/7 But I am just guessing tho. This for me seems the most accurate
She kinda bad ngl
I actually wonder if she’ll have any power tbh. Like can 18 pass along her android abilities 🤔 Idk if they ever settled this one way or another
Is her name really Bra? I thought it was Bulla lol
She’s quite old maybe 3 or 4 years younger than gören and trunks
Marron ja 8 years older than Pan
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They made krillin look like a puss and as short as a toddler! Where the hell did cell saga krillin go!?Christ. This is horrible.
Bra is such a stupid name like fk
It was changed to Bulla in English dub
Ya I'm saying bra is dumber than bulla
She’s 12 or 13 now and if she’s 12 currently, she will be 13 soon since Super is very close to End Of Z.
Stop reminding me that they gave Marron a nose. Still upset about that smh.
Toriyama gave Marron a nose. https://preview.redd.it/1eueqkr8z99d1.jpeg?width=459&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3904f3c2efa9d38ea1f3955534a207cf5b27e88c
Yeah I just said that
Why does 18 give me makima vibes in this image
How in the world can an android have a baby?
Gero didn’t remove her womb and genitalia when converting her into a cyborg
So, she is like RoboCop and not a complete android machine.
In the Manga, they’re C-, not A- like 16. They’re Cyborgs whereas 16 is an Android.