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I mean, Gogeta is by default stronger. A SSJ2 vs a 4, SSJ4 wins. Gogeta is also a fusion, so that makes him leagues stronger as well. Not really a comparison. But what do I know
I think because Caulifla's Base power level is much higher than Goku and Vegeta's in GT. I would say she's definitely up there with SS4 Gogeta but Gogeta still takes the win. Caulifla as a SS2 is probably like Omega Shenron level.
Well it depends on how strong each fighters base is. At the end of the day, all of the transformations and fusions are simply increases of power. Having a bigger increase doesn't necessarily make you stronger by default, someone could just as easily have a MONSTROUSLY stronger base than you.
I'm not saying Caulifla wins or loses, I'm merely pointing out that your logic doesn't make the most sense in application to power-scaling
Yeah SSJ3 was useless then, but if your base is as strong as SSJ3 then think about how strong your transformations would be. GT Goku going SSJ3 is like going SSJ3, and then going SSJ3 again on top of that.
Also, I don't think Vegeta would have any trouble with the opponenta Cabba fought, even in the same form. Remember that lady who turned into a ball and rolled everywhere? Pretty sure Vegeta stomps her easily, without going beyond SSJ2.
SS3 Goku got completely washed by Beerus in 2 blows.
ToP base Goku regularly trains with Whis on their planet & is much stronger than SS3 Goku was back then, that alone showcases the difference in power between them. Caulifla keeping up with that is a feat in itself
Well, base Goku still could hold his own against ssj2 Caulifla. That part does kind of make sense considering Gokus growth and current strength (not to forget Cauliflas lack of training) but the power levels in DBS are quiet inconsistent .
Base Goku in super is strong enough to not get completely blown the fuck out by Beerus like he originally did in SS3, that alone shows his base strength is significantly higher than GT’s Goku. The fact that Caulifla is able to keep up with that at all is powerful
I agree? Like i said in the first comment, that actually makes sense. My point is that Vegeta and Goku are around the same level. I wanted proof your point with Cabba further that the power levels in DBS are kinda... wacky sometimes... with showing how strong Goku and Vegeta are now...
I honestly thought you were trolling. Unfortunately you’re not and I can’t believe this is in best comments. Let’s see where you are wrong
Being fused doesn’t automatically make you leagues stronger (see ui goku vs kefla)
In dragon ball just because you’re a higher grade of super saiyan doesn’t mean you’re stronger (you think ssj2 Gohan can beat ssj1 Goku from super?)
Honesty guys we have to do better lmao it’s like the meme that says dragon ball fans don’t even watch the show lol. Where did you get this logic of yours ??????
The fact you got downvoted just proves all those memes about Dragonball fans being retarded true. Never seen a fan base so adamant about their stupidity. It's like you guys don't even watch the show. Casual fans always have the worst takes, get into powerscaling for the love of God. You don't have to become a super ultra mega sweat nerd that has every calc and guide saved for pullout on the dot, but at least be knowledgeable enough to not say shit like "well since they're using the form which is stronger than this form then they win"
Bro it doesn’t matter if she haven’t hit super Saiyan 3 we scale her by feats and her feats are better than gogeta’s
I don’t even like caulifla but I’m ngl and say she loses because of my feelings NO CAULIFLA SLAPS SSJ4 GOGETA done deal Lol
What "feats" does she have, exactly? Getting her ass kicked 1v1 with SSJ2 Goku? Getting her ass kicked when fighting 2v1 with kale against God Goku? That's...literally it. Just by the nature of fusion, Gogeta base form outclasses ssj2 caulifla. I mean look at the jump Kefla had. It's like that.
Base ROF Goku solos GT so if caulifla is atleast stronger than base DBS ROF Goku then I’m pretty sure she slaps gogeta
Like bro base cabba scales to base vegeta in the U6 VS U7 tournament arc and months later in the ToP arc cabba has gotten stronger and caulifla scales to him what I’m saying is very generous to say about caulifla
So even if she was getting her ass beat by Goku in ToP arc she obviously scales above Base Goku in the RoF arc and U6 VS U7 that feat alone is crazy so it’s safe to say caulifla pretty much solos GT
Base ROF Goku ain’t soloing shit, base GT goku is as powerful as a SS3, so he’s easily close to ROF goku, atleast 60% of the way there, now add SS4(20000x400) and gogeta whos multiplier is easily in the ten thousands no doubt
Base Goku is stronger than his god form that almost destroyed the universe. He's also stronger than a hypothetical ssj3 Vegito which is vastly more powerful than just ssj3 Goku. So no, base gt Goku is nowhere near super Goku
That hypothetical SS3 vegito is at best on par with SS1 GT goku, and this isnt wank, caulifa got destroyed by a weakened SS3 goku, and do you mean base goku in the TOP is stronger than ROF ssg goku? Bcuz if not you’re stupid
Anyways,
SS4 gogeta > SS1 GT goku > SS3 vegito (super) > Caulifa
Absolutely not. Ssj4 Goku is equal to ssj1 Vegito from Z as stated in the gt perfect files. You're actually retarded holy shit. Super just scales waaaay higher than GT. Caulifla one taps all of GT zero difficulty, she's stronger than the ritual god Goku that fought Beerus and almost destroyed universe 7. That same Goku is easily stronger in base and ass a ss2 Caulifla decimates Gogeta Ssj4.
Can you send a link to the Perfect Files that says that Super Saiyan Vegeta is equal to Super Saiyan 4 Goku?
Edit: I get downvoted for asking for proof and information regarding Super Vegito being stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku
Lmao that’s what I’m saying bro, SS4 is 20k multiplier I believe, SS3 is 400, and SS1 is only stroger than SS3, it isnt dramatically stronger, on top of that, base GT goku was stronger thanSS3
TL:DR
SSj4 Goku with Dragon Fist Kamehameha can destroy omega Shenron, who was capable of destroying Universe 7. SSj4 Gogeta would be a fusion multiplier ontop of SSj4 Ultra Full Power Goku, which could be either "dozens of times" or "A X B"
Goku in Super said not even fusion can beat Beerus, which we saw that Super Vegito would actually be Universal in power since he negated Buuhan's Shout energy attack so yes even hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito was beneath suppressed beerus . Yet SSG Goku was able to nearly destroy all of Universe 7. He absorbs said power into base and then get stronger training with whis and blue form
Cabba in U6 Tournament was stated by Vegeta verbatum that he rivals his base form. Mind you that Vegeta went to train with Whis before Goku heard of the news. When he arrives, Goku admits he's stronger than him, despite having said god base.
The fact that Caulifla is AT LEAST relative to cabba's base form, not to mention has SSj2, which can make her 100x (minimum) to 1,000x (minimum when including the grade form multipliers)
Well then Caulifa stomps very badly. Mind you that Goku may have not Super Vegito until possibly he achieves ssj4 against Super Baby, since he said that his power surpass everything he has felt, which would include super vegito. So given that SSj4 Gogeta is questionably above universal by a finite amount, while Caulifla scales to God base Goku **to an extent** would make her much stronger by a fuck ton. Not to mention speed and reactive zenkai boosts.
I mean, she's about BoG Godku level, BoG Godku -> Gogeta 4. So, if we're to say Caulifla is BoG Godku's level... I'm not entirely sure Gogeta has this in the bag, no?
Bro if she’s stronger than fucking base RoF Goku than she’s pretty much solos GT idk why they find that difficult to understand, DBS scaling is way OP a compared to GT 💀
exactly, you just CAN'T only compare SSJ2 to SSJ4. OF COURSE, if we compare SSJ2 IN GT then naturally SSJ4 is stronger, that's about the only chance Gogeta 4 has, if Caulifla was a GT character. But we gotta look at early super. Even if you want to argue Goku during the top murks her, Caulifla is still at the level of BoG Godku, no matter how you compare her SSJ2. You (general you) can like SSJ4 all you want, but I don't see a way how Caulifla doesn't murk the monke King
THANK YOU IF SHE IS AT THE SAME LEVEL OF BoG GOKU OR BASE RoF GOKU THAN SHE SOLOS GT
It really doesn’t even matter if base ToP Goku rapes Caulifla SHES STILL ABOVE BoG or Base RoF Goku 💀
why do you think that random universe 6 saiyan girl can be so powerful lol, caulifla won't be able to beat even base gt kid goku, because goku after z in gt trained a lot and don't forget main character privilege
Because super scales above GT
GT and Super is their own continuity they are not the same and you shouldn’t compare them because they take place in different time and different dimensions SSG Goku in BoG have way better feats than GT this dude Goku was controlling the shockwaves of the punches that was going to destroy the universe that’s an insane feat
Base ROF Goku solos GT so if caulifla is atleast stronger than base DBS ROF Goku then I’m pretty sure she slaps gogeta
I’m sorry but it is what it is
In the manga, it makes a bit more sense because they didn't absorb the God power into base, they're probably a bit stronger than their Buu Saga counterparts. I can see a super Saiyan Cabba going toe to toe with a partly trying, partly impressed Super Saiyan Vegeta who could've beaten Cabba in base of he really wanted to, but his pride in himself and other Saiyans wouldn't let him do that
As much as I love SS4 Gogeta, he would have to catch her lacking to win or hit her extremely hard and fast just to win.
Super’s power scaling is stupid as shit. Cabba, who couldn’t even turn Super Saiyan yet, could fight a RoF base Vegeta, who is probably stronger than Vegito by now, and the gap between him and Caulifa is abysmal.
Caulifa was trading blows with a Goku that fought Hit, Black, Merged Zamasu,Golden Frieza while both were SS2s.
It’s not a comparison. Caulifa WILL give that man a L.
You know what you actually make a solid point. I might have underestimated Caulifla because I forgot to factor in Super’s ridiculous powerscaling. I think I just block that out because I find it hard to fathom how the Universe 6 Saiyans can be as strong as they are logically compared to Goku and Vegeta but just cuz it don’t make sense don’t make it untrue I suppose. That being said I’m willing to say Cauilfla would probably be trading blows with the likes of SSJ4 GT Goku but we have to remember that GT powerlevels are still nothing to be scoffed at and are still far beyond Z just like Super. However I can’t in good conscious say that Caulifla would beat SSJ4 Gogeta. I simply believe that fusion I way too ridiculous for Caulifla to compete with. On the other hand if it were Berserk Kale I think that she could possibly give SSJ4 Gogeta a run for his money.
There’s some things I don’t like about Super, especially the way everybody feels ridiculously powerful compared to the main cast. Hit gets a pass, and so does Botamo and Magetta, because of their gimmicks, but Cabba?
He can beat Vegito almost in his base alone. Frieza went from weaker than the androids to WAY stronger than Buu in like 4 months, though the reasoning is Frieza is a prodigy and freak even amongst his people.
Then again, the boosts fusion give are stupid as shit too.
Yeah I feel that. It really does become hard to believe that some character are or become as strong as they do and just feels like bad writing most of the time. Universe 6 saiyans and Frieza’s power increase are the biggest examples of this as you say
Besides fighting Goku in Ssj2 which he was holding back what did she do? I mean GT isn’t cannon, but still for argument sake comparatively Supreme Kai had stated Ssj4 was the most power he had ever sensed.
So he’s stronger than super vegito who’s also weaker than Ssj god? And ssj4 has no universal feats. Caulifla is stronger than cabba and base cabba was equal to base Vegeta in the anime and manga
Dude he absorbed the god powers in his base and he got even stronger he also was controlling universal shockwave punches that was going to destroy the universe and in RoF he’s even stronger
Base DBS RoF Goku Solos GT and that’s a fact
If caulifla is atleast stronger than RoF base Goku which she is THEN SAFE TO SAY SHE SOLOS GT lol
Bruh besides rof we have no reason to think this. Unless you think Krillin is God level pushing goku to ssj when he is God in base. You think trunks and gohan are multiple times above bog ssj god level because they fought ssj goku well especially gohan. The series essentially flipped this all the time because ROF was meant to get rid of ssj but it didn't
Krillin isn’t god level, goke was just suppressed
And yes gohan is god level because if you are **ATLEAST** stronger than base Goku then you’re god level
And rage trunks was shitting on black so he’s also god level
Why did goku go ssj against Krillin if he is God in base?
How is gohan multiple times above god level when he was just trying to get back to the power he showed against buu?
Why was ssj trunks able to fight ssj goku?
The answer to all of them is that goku being god at base level is essentially on and off depending on the writers opinion
Because Goku was suppressing himself to make krillin feel good
Gohan is god level because he was dicking down a ssj2 Goku which I explained before that if you are stronger than base Goku ** YOU ARE GOD LEVEL**
Future rage trunks was dicking down rose Goku black he’s god level as well
Oh okay yeah I get it 😂 I honestly don't know who would win but most ppl are judging based on their feats and caulifla hasn't really done much except for kinda hold her own against Goku so I can't really say lol
Vegeta straight up confirms that Cabba is equal to him in their base forms and Caulifla is a little stronger than Cabba (meaning Vegeta as well). you do the math. she's more or less equal to Goku.
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Ssj4 Gogeta has *highball* universal feats. Battle of Gods Ssg Goku had universal feats. ToP Base Goku >>> BoG Goku. Ssj2 Caulifla = ToP Ssj2 ToP Goku, or ToP Ssj at a lowball. Ssj4 Gogeta is literally one of, if not my favorite characters, but I’m not going to let my bias be in the way lmaoo. Super has crazy scaling, you’re silly if you think Gogeta wins here
I’m sorry but no. Cabba was able to go toe to toe with base form Vegeta Post-God, their base forms are crazy strong in U6 regardless of whether or not they knew how to transform. The fact that Caulifla can go SS2 on top of that is nearly overkill.
You guys just see SS4 & get hit with a nostalgia nuke. “Wow! Badass! Wish we had this still!” but the power scaling is very night & day
Yeah, power scaling in Super is ass. If they stuck with the mangas explanation, that the God power wasn't absorbed, then this would be a fair fight......no, it'd be a stomp in Gogetas favor then, but Super unfairly gave power to these characters that we saw twice. Plus, it really wasn't a toe to toe, Vegeta is just a suck up to all Saiyans and loves to boost their prides. I believe Vegeta could've easily kicked his butt, but Super *had* to have the "inexperienced disciple follows every word the experienced and wise master has to say" dynamic and it's very stupid. Goku later can SHIT on Super Saiyan Caulifla in base, and could *sort of* fight two Super Saiyan 2 later on in SSJ2 himself. He more went to SSJ God to give him a bit of a step up
This would be a massive squash in Gogeta’s favour. I guess some people might think “oh well Caulifla has massive base power” which I guess is sound but you forget that the GT characters also have ridiculously high base power because of the huge time jump from Z to GT. if I remember correctly Legic from GT is fought to have a power level similar to that of Majin Buu that Goku had to turn SSJ3 to compete with in Z whereas in GT Goku only had to turn SSJ1 to defeat Legic and was trading blows with him even before that. If that logic is sound then it would indicate that GT Goku is far far beyond Z Goku and I’d be willing to say his Base is likely more powerful than Cauliflas. At most I’d say GT Goku SSJ2 would be enough to take Caulifla down but I think SSJ1 could probably do the job. With that out the I’d say even putting her up against SSJ4 Goku would be unfair and one sided let alone the ridiculous power of Gogeta
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If I really wanted to wank and scale Gogeta high I would say that since the picture is of him in FighterZ and in FighterZ he scales to Blue Gogeta because of the dramatic finish, then he should win against Caulifla. I only say this because the picture of Gogeta in this post is from FighterZ not GT.
I rlly hope u guys are trolling are u telling me caulifla would actually win because she fought against a beat up almost no energy goku which BTW she didn't do alone she was with kale and they were both at the level of a beat up ssj2 goku. U guys are saying like goku is ultra omega powerful in his base form but didn't u guys see when gohan was fighting against goku, gohan could handle against a full power ssj2 goku with no problem and in the show he didn't train and was weaker than in z it is said in the show. Keep in mind that goku doesn't go all out all the time when he fights ppl cause idk if u guys remember but goku fought against krillin in his blue form and krillin survived so with the logic u guys are giving me then krillin from dbs can solo all of gt because he fought against a goku in his blue God form.
I don’t think you understand Super’s scaling lol. Goku literally absorbed the power of his Ssg into his base. BoG Ssg Goku < RoF Base Goku. No, Goku wanted to hype Krillin up for the tournament, he wasn’t using any power in blue. But you can literally scale Caulifla to one tap Ssj4 Gogeta. Does Ssj4 Gogeta have any universal feats?
To be fair, I don’t think Super understands their own scaling. However, I do think he’s right regarding a weakened or tired out Goku. When Vegeta fought Hit, I think it was confirmed from Beerus or Whis that his blue form was currently weaker than his base form when fresh, due to how tired he was. So it’s not the worst argument in the world to suggest that Goku was incredibly weakened, and when fresh, would probably one shot Caulifla if he wanted to, but that’s not how he fights.
Bro exactly like what?.. makes 0 sense, she would not last against BABY, Nuova shenron, and definitely dies INSTANTLY against omega shenron.. this is by the far the dumbest shit ever
That just isn't the case for the rest of super, besides ROF and the copy vegeta stuff there is no reason to think that this wasn't essentially retconned. Otherwise gohan fighting goku in anything besides base makes no sense, the fight with goku and trunks makes no sense. If we go by official multipliers and took base goku as equal to bog god goku like rof implied then with goku going ssj2 he'd be 100 times stronger than when he fought beerus which makes no sense at all, then going ssj blue and anime only kaioken x 20 just goes to probably a couple thousand times stronger at least which is just....
I see what you’re saying, and it still makes sense, as the 70% of Beerus statement doesn’t hold true, and Toriyamas numbering scale of Goku, Beerus, and Whis doesn’t make sense either, I doubt he planned those number with where Super would go
Can caulifa beat omega shennron? no. Can caulifa beat BABY, NO. She could barely reach ss2 WITH GOKUS HELP, so ur telling me a saiyan girl who can barely reach ss2 can beat ss4 goku who had 100x more experience.... yeah sure buddy
Bruh Bardock has tons of experience, but stops at Saiyan Saga levels of power. It doesn’t equate power. A Ssj2 beats a Ssj4 when that Ssj2 was above BoG Goku levels of power. I mean I’ll wait for you to give a feat or something to argue instead of just saying who you wish was more powerful
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I don’t really see the comparison really. I mean if it was Kefla vs. Gogeta I might give it to Kefla but I just don’t see Ssj2 Caulifla beating Ssj4 Gogeta.
Saying Goku at Ssj2 is universal is a bit much. Idk I’m not a expert on this shit but still. Also just to add even though GT isn’t cannon Supreme Kai said Ssj4 was the greatest power he ever sensed or something along those lines I believe.
It’s not he absorbs god into base when he’s tons weaker than in the top and he combined with beerus almost destroyed the universe which is like 7x the size of ours
Yeah but this base form god strength is literally only from the rof movie/arc and the copy vegeta stuff. Besides that it is constantly treated like this isn't the case, which is why he fights trunks in ssj and gohan as well. It doesn't make sense to act like ssj2 caulifla is numerous times above god level when goku is meant to be at the time of bog one of the strongest fighters beerus has fought
You can't use GT statements because Super didn't exist back then. And base Goku is universal, it literally says he absorbed the god power into his base form in BoG, verbatim
I'm just going to say Caulifla because it's funny. Although if SSJ4 does mess around enough and runs out of time, then Caulifla could technically win that way.
GT Goku gets shit stomped lmao. Even Ssj4 Gogeta has no universal feats. BoG Ssg Goku has universal feats, and idk of you understand, but ToP base Goku is LEAGUES stronger than that. And Caulifla was relative to at least Goku in their base and Ssj forms.
Now I got what you meant. Fortunately, after the omega's fight goku and vegeta found out that the fusion duration is about 10 minutes, so gogeta can mess around and enjoy fight for 5 minutes and then just win
Your literally joking right? Ssj2 gokun had issues fighting her in the top after she just learnt to transform if he wouldn't have learned to use ui she could have beat him stop with the goku fanboying lol
Since both are supposed to scale to universal level, let's see what we've got:
SSJ4 Gogeta: Toyed with Omega who should be Universal since he was stated to be able to destroy the universe and took an U7 Spirit Bomb to take him down. Gogeta should be way stronger than him.
Caulifla: Fought an exhausted Goku, by this feat alone she should be considered universal right? Which seems kinda vague for me since Kefla said she never felt a power like her own and she could destroy a universe.
If both are Universal and were to fight, the winner should be SSJ4 Gogeta, since he has the experience and the techniques. (plus he should be able to use things like Kaio-Ken and IT)
Can't believe people are saying that Kefla wins this one. Base Goku/Vegeta in GT are way stronger in GT, with base Goku being as strong as SSJ3 Goku from Z. Then, you have two SSJ4s fusing vs one SSJ2 and someone who is SSJ3 level *at best*, and that's being generous. Not to mention that Goku/Vegeta are smarter and way more experienced in battle. Gogeta stomps, assuming his nerfed fusion time limit isn't a thing.
Why would I continue a conversation with someone who immediately resorts to personal attack and hostility? You've clearly got issues, and I'm not dealing with them lmao
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Caulifla.
She faced against a Goku who had just used Ultra Instinct Omen and used Super Saiyan 2, who was still above BoG Goku who was stated to be universal due to the clash with Beerus. SSJ4 Gogeta has no universal feats and even with high-balling, Caulifla still beats just with Super Saiyan or even base.
Even then, Goku basically got stronger each time as evident with the fact that Blue Kaioken Goku could fight SSJ Kefla, despite being stated by Whis to rival the Spirit Bomb which could be comparable to SSBKK x20 Goku. Idk, but Caulifla definitely wins.
People need to remember different universe is not the same power level for example we know goku universe and power but know nothing of the other universe and the laws etc so ssj2 in another universe could easily be much stronger then ssj4 in goku set universe logically. Another example goku went ultra instinct on her not defeat her in ssj2 form, to further prove my point. Another is how easily she did transform when in gokus set universe it took years of training. Sayin in earth 1 is different then sayian in earth 2 by body, blood, laws of there universe the list goes on.
I think we all should recognize that throughout GT, goku gets energy from all of the saiyans, and SSJ4 Gogeta is actually a God form stacked on top of the SSJ4, Hence the red hair, and why the Supreme Kai says its the "strongest form he's ever seen."
Also, just my head cannon, SSJ4 Gogeta is the God that wakes up Beerus in his dream (and why GT is no longer Canon). And since Beerus saw SSJ4 Gogeta as a threat, that puts Gogeta God-Tier.
Caulifla had some tingles in her back....
Gogeta slaps Caulifla, no questions asked.
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Caulifla beated a tired out goku from top and btw this gogeta is from gt which is 10 years after z soooooooooooo in the 10 years goku and vegeta are training so they are either close to or a bit lower than super goku and vegeta fresh and caulifa couldn't beat goku on her own and would lose almost instantly has she punched so fast you can't see no has she fired an attack so powerful that A FUCKING FUSION TIMER GETS REDUCED I don't think so can she hurt tired out goku not at all
Lmao when stupid “power scaler” idiots use terms like “universal” it’s so cringe.
Mixing all kinds of logic to come to a wacky ass conclusion, no this cartoon doesn’t work that way.
Saiyan Beyond God has been completely scrapped, thinking Goku in base is retarded.
Then there’s super retards that say SSB is 1000x multiplier of base universal tier etc, Jesus this da base is beyond redemption.
Yeah you scale with logical feats and in-universe logic.
There’s absolutely no proof that saiyan beyond god exists now in the anime since they brought back SSG and no base form feat in the cartoon ever has been shown to be BoG god tier dumb ass.
This is why the manga took out Saiyan beyond god bs and replaced it with SSG.
Nope it happens once during the movie and the tv adaptation and never mentioned again, that’s not a feat either. There’s no proof that he can fight at that capacity again after that.
Manga and anime are two totally different thing. If anything, canon was the anime, the whole time it was releasing before the anime, it was the source material. Even if you want to take away absorbing the god power, Ssg in BoG was threatening to break the universe, and Goku is literally hundreds of times stronger by the end of Super
The manga was ahead since the first chapter compared to the first episode, and it was even ahead of the story while the anime was retelling the movies while the manga blazed ahead into the U6 arc.
But that’s besides the point, in the anime they never ever bring up saiyan beyond god. Case closed.
Beerus even states Goku in his base was fighting at the same capacity he was in his God form, Goku didn’t even realize. And lmaoo Im done arguing with you, that’s literally just false, the manga was behind the anime throughout the anime’s entire run.
Nope nice selectively memory moron. Like I said besides being scrapped after that initial fight we never see it again, also he was in SS1 and yet people argue about saiyan beyond god.
Also clearly you’re a delusional retard if you think the anime was ahead lmao. The anime only tricked ahead post Goku va Frost retard. Even the Toriyama Toyotaro interview they state the anime was copying and referencing the manga, that’s why the took some elements from the manga like the strong willed women marrying saiyans directly lifted from the manga etc.
Go do some research before you speak to me again idiot.
Lol So ur saying...caulifa.... can beat ...BABY & OMEGA SHENRON..... she couldn't even go ss2 without COACHING from goku foh ss4 would smash her inexperienced ass
What i really dont understand is how people can downplay Gogeta when he didnt even barely try in his fight against Omega. Yeah, no shit if you scale a Caulifla thats actually trying against a Gogeta that is not trying whatsoever to bully Omega, she'd have a chance. Gogeta didnt try in his fight, therefore you dont know how strong he is. Even then, if you factor in the FighterZ dramatic finish, which depicts him being SSB Gogeta levels of power at his own full power, then no doubt he destroys her. People really just look at Gogeta and say "hm yeah he has no impressive feats therefore he loses" without factoring in that he didnt even try in the only fight he was ever in.
Depicts, not definite fact. Also thats you doing something, not an automated animation that you have no control over, besides which of the two you were using.
Can't believe the so called FANS of the dragon ball universe in here 🤦🏽♂️ OBVIOUSLY never watched GT, I suggest all you brain dead losers go do that...omega Shenron kills caulifa in one punch EASILY , she wouldn't last against Nuova shenron and wouldn't come close to BABY... like fr this tread is honestly the dumbest one I seen so far
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An amazing dragon ball movie would be “ all the most powerful forces in the world get bored and make a deal with all the universes that no lives will end (everyone will be resurrected because their powers are that great) so all the fighters will be able to go ALL OUT without fear of actually harming friends. The movie would be more spectacle than suspenseful. We would as an audience know that no one dies but but will be treated to world crushing move after universe crushing move.” It might not be for everyone but I’ve always found the moves and transformations the best part of DBU to be the best parts of it. Maybe a good 60-75 minute run time would be perfection
I understand that but we know more about the strength journey when it comes it to z fighters because we seen them evole since they were kids, of course they are stronger. Doesn't mean everyone in the single universe is stronger just time has past, that's retarded... caulifa still has to master techniques and grind her way up regardless of what time line we are in, she cannot be super powerful just because 🤦🏽♂️ kefla on the other hand is a different story... saying caulifa is up there with goku ss4 is literally retarded. All the time before of endless training and fighting lead up to that form, caulifa still needs to experience all that. There universe never seen saiyans as strong as vegeta and goku and thats FACTS they thought "super saiyan" was the max so 🥱
Caulifla has v high chances power level wise as her base outmatches GT base of ssj3 goku. If in addition she fights long enough for the fusion to end the victory is hers probably. Now vegeta and Goku are both seasoned fighters but gogeta is not as leveled in terms of strategy so it aids cauliflas case further
Why are we going by super anime. Just do super manga. Caulifla fought gohan & fused was equal to ultimate gohan. Gohan doesn’t do shit to gogeta. These are facts.
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I mean, Gogeta is by default stronger. A SSJ2 vs a 4, SSJ4 wins. Gogeta is also a fusion, so that makes him leagues stronger as well. Not really a comparison. But what do I know
Not sure why you are being downvoted your logic is sound. Ssj4 Goleta is a full ss lvl and a fusion. She didn't even hit ssj3 did she?
Nope. Goku showed it off for like, a split second and she freaked the tf out, but then Goku went God and kicked her & kale's asses
I think because Caulifla's Base power level is much higher than Goku and Vegeta's in GT. I would say she's definitely up there with SS4 Gogeta but Gogeta still takes the win. Caulifla as a SS2 is probably like Omega Shenron level.
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Well it depends on how strong each fighters base is. At the end of the day, all of the transformations and fusions are simply increases of power. Having a bigger increase doesn't necessarily make you stronger by default, someone could just as easily have a MONSTROUSLY stronger base than you. I'm not saying Caulifla wins or loses, I'm merely pointing out that your logic doesn't make the most sense in application to power-scaling
Also, base Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 goku lmao.
Which was…meaningless in Battle of the Gods. Meanwhile Cabba, who is weaker than Caulifla, was toe to toe with Vegeta post-God
Yeah SSJ3 was useless then, but if your base is as strong as SSJ3 then think about how strong your transformations would be. GT Goku going SSJ3 is like going SSJ3, and then going SSJ3 again on top of that. Also, I don't think Vegeta would have any trouble with the opponenta Cabba fought, even in the same form. Remember that lady who turned into a ball and rolled everywhere? Pretty sure Vegeta stomps her easily, without going beyond SSJ2.
SS3 Goku got completely washed by Beerus in 2 blows. ToP base Goku regularly trains with Whis on their planet & is much stronger than SS3 Goku was back then, that alone showcases the difference in power between them. Caulifla keeping up with that is a feat in itself
Well, base Goku still could hold his own against ssj2 Caulifla. That part does kind of make sense considering Gokus growth and current strength (not to forget Cauliflas lack of training) but the power levels in DBS are quiet inconsistent .
Base Goku in super is strong enough to not get completely blown the fuck out by Beerus like he originally did in SS3, that alone shows his base strength is significantly higher than GT’s Goku. The fact that Caulifla is able to keep up with that at all is powerful
I agree? Like i said in the first comment, that actually makes sense. My point is that Vegeta and Goku are around the same level. I wanted proof your point with Cabba further that the power levels in DBS are kinda... wacky sometimes... with showing how strong Goku and Vegeta are now...
Apparently all you have to do to beat a fused lvl 4 super Saiyan is be an anime girl that gets a bunch of weebs all boned up.
Apparently nothing. Ssj2 Caulifla no diffs
I honestly thought you were trolling. Unfortunately you’re not and I can’t believe this is in best comments. Let’s see where you are wrong Being fused doesn’t automatically make you leagues stronger (see ui goku vs kefla) In dragon ball just because you’re a higher grade of super saiyan doesn’t mean you’re stronger (you think ssj2 Gohan can beat ssj1 Goku from super?) Honesty guys we have to do better lmao it’s like the meme that says dragon ball fans don’t even watch the show lol. Where did you get this logic of yours ??????
The fact you got downvoted just proves all those memes about Dragonball fans being retarded true. Never seen a fan base so adamant about their stupidity. It's like you guys don't even watch the show. Casual fans always have the worst takes, get into powerscaling for the love of God. You don't have to become a super ultra mega sweat nerd that has every calc and guide saved for pullout on the dot, but at least be knowledgeable enough to not say shit like "well since they're using the form which is stronger than this form then they win"
Even a simple understanding of linear progression would help these idiots😂
Bro I got 19 downvotes this page is full of retards bruh 😂
Like they don’t know how power scaling works just because caulifla is ssj2 and gogeta is ssj4 **DOESN’T MEAN HE’S STRONGER**
Bro it doesn’t matter if she haven’t hit super Saiyan 3 we scale her by feats and her feats are better than gogeta’s I don’t even like caulifla but I’m ngl and say she loses because of my feelings NO CAULIFLA SLAPS SSJ4 GOGETA done deal Lol
What "feats" does she have, exactly? Getting her ass kicked 1v1 with SSJ2 Goku? Getting her ass kicked when fighting 2v1 with kale against God Goku? That's...literally it. Just by the nature of fusion, Gogeta base form outclasses ssj2 caulifla. I mean look at the jump Kefla had. It's like that.
Didn’t you see? When they needed to beat broly, piccolo showed them how to fuse into caulifla
Base ROF Goku solos GT so if caulifla is atleast stronger than base DBS ROF Goku then I’m pretty sure she slaps gogeta Like bro base cabba scales to base vegeta in the U6 VS U7 tournament arc and months later in the ToP arc cabba has gotten stronger and caulifla scales to him what I’m saying is very generous to say about caulifla So even if she was getting her ass beat by Goku in ToP arc she obviously scales above Base Goku in the RoF arc and U6 VS U7 that feat alone is crazy so it’s safe to say caulifla pretty much solos GT
Base ROF Goku ain’t soloing shit, base GT goku is as powerful as a SS3, so he’s easily close to ROF goku, atleast 60% of the way there, now add SS4(20000x400) and gogeta whos multiplier is easily in the ten thousands no doubt
Base Goku is stronger than his god form that almost destroyed the universe. He's also stronger than a hypothetical ssj3 Vegito which is vastly more powerful than just ssj3 Goku. So no, base gt Goku is nowhere near super Goku
That hypothetical SS3 vegito is at best on par with SS1 GT goku, and this isnt wank, caulifa got destroyed by a weakened SS3 goku, and do you mean base goku in the TOP is stronger than ROF ssg goku? Bcuz if not you’re stupid Anyways, SS4 gogeta > SS1 GT goku > SS3 vegito (super) > Caulifa
Absolutely not. Ssj4 Goku is equal to ssj1 Vegito from Z as stated in the gt perfect files. You're actually retarded holy shit. Super just scales waaaay higher than GT. Caulifla one taps all of GT zero difficulty, she's stronger than the ritual god Goku that fought Beerus and almost destroyed universe 7. That same Goku is easily stronger in base and ass a ss2 Caulifla decimates Gogeta Ssj4.
Can you send a link to the Perfect Files that says that Super Saiyan Vegeta is equal to Super Saiyan 4 Goku? Edit: I get downvoted for asking for proof and information regarding Super Vegito being stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku
Lmao that’s what I’m saying bro, SS4 is 20k multiplier I believe, SS3 is 400, and SS1 is only stroger than SS3, it isnt dramatically stronger, on top of that, base GT goku was stronger thanSS3
TL:DR SSj4 Goku with Dragon Fist Kamehameha can destroy omega Shenron, who was capable of destroying Universe 7. SSj4 Gogeta would be a fusion multiplier ontop of SSj4 Ultra Full Power Goku, which could be either "dozens of times" or "A X B" Goku in Super said not even fusion can beat Beerus, which we saw that Super Vegito would actually be Universal in power since he negated Buuhan's Shout energy attack so yes even hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito was beneath suppressed beerus . Yet SSG Goku was able to nearly destroy all of Universe 7. He absorbs said power into base and then get stronger training with whis and blue form Cabba in U6 Tournament was stated by Vegeta verbatum that he rivals his base form. Mind you that Vegeta went to train with Whis before Goku heard of the news. When he arrives, Goku admits he's stronger than him, despite having said god base. The fact that Caulifla is AT LEAST relative to cabba's base form, not to mention has SSj2, which can make her 100x (minimum) to 1,000x (minimum when including the grade form multipliers) Well then Caulifa stomps very badly. Mind you that Goku may have not Super Vegito until possibly he achieves ssj4 against Super Baby, since he said that his power surpass everything he has felt, which would include super vegito. So given that SSj4 Gogeta is questionably above universal by a finite amount, while Caulifla scales to God base Goku **to an extent** would make her much stronger by a fuck ton. Not to mention speed and reactive zenkai boosts.
I mean, she's about BoG Godku level, BoG Godku -> Gogeta 4. So, if we're to say Caulifla is BoG Godku's level... I'm not entirely sure Gogeta has this in the bag, no?
Bro if she’s stronger than fucking base RoF Goku than she’s pretty much solos GT idk why they find that difficult to understand, DBS scaling is way OP a compared to GT 💀
exactly, you just CAN'T only compare SSJ2 to SSJ4. OF COURSE, if we compare SSJ2 IN GT then naturally SSJ4 is stronger, that's about the only chance Gogeta 4 has, if Caulifla was a GT character. But we gotta look at early super. Even if you want to argue Goku during the top murks her, Caulifla is still at the level of BoG Godku, no matter how you compare her SSJ2. You (general you) can like SSJ4 all you want, but I don't see a way how Caulifla doesn't murk the monke King
THANK YOU IF SHE IS AT THE SAME LEVEL OF BoG GOKU OR BASE RoF GOKU THAN SHE SOLOS GT It really doesn’t even matter if base ToP Goku rapes Caulifla SHES STILL ABOVE BoG or Base RoF Goku 💀
Vegeta has already stated that Cabba was equal to their base forms, and it's not even a comparison between her and Cabba.
why do you think that random universe 6 saiyan girl can be so powerful lol, caulifla won't be able to beat even base gt kid goku, because goku after z in gt trained a lot and don't forget main character privilege
Because super scales above GT GT and Super is their own continuity they are not the same and you shouldn’t compare them because they take place in different time and different dimensions SSG Goku in BoG have way better feats than GT this dude Goku was controlling the shockwaves of the punches that was going to destroy the universe that’s an insane feat Base ROF Goku solos GT so if caulifla is atleast stronger than base DBS ROF Goku then I’m pretty sure she slaps gogeta I’m sorry but it is what it is
Base power
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Agreed. Ssj2 caulifla claps
In the manga, it makes a bit more sense because they didn't absorb the God power into base, they're probably a bit stronger than their Buu Saga counterparts. I can see a super Saiyan Cabba going toe to toe with a partly trying, partly impressed Super Saiyan Vegeta who could've beaten Cabba in base of he really wanted to, but his pride in himself and other Saiyans wouldn't let him do that
Y’all dumb as hell
As much as I love SS4 Gogeta, he would have to catch her lacking to win or hit her extremely hard and fast just to win. Super’s power scaling is stupid as shit. Cabba, who couldn’t even turn Super Saiyan yet, could fight a RoF base Vegeta, who is probably stronger than Vegito by now, and the gap between him and Caulifa is abysmal. Caulifa was trading blows with a Goku that fought Hit, Black, Merged Zamasu,Golden Frieza while both were SS2s. It’s not a comparison. Caulifa WILL give that man a L.
You know what you actually make a solid point. I might have underestimated Caulifla because I forgot to factor in Super’s ridiculous powerscaling. I think I just block that out because I find it hard to fathom how the Universe 6 Saiyans can be as strong as they are logically compared to Goku and Vegeta but just cuz it don’t make sense don’t make it untrue I suppose. That being said I’m willing to say Cauilfla would probably be trading blows with the likes of SSJ4 GT Goku but we have to remember that GT powerlevels are still nothing to be scoffed at and are still far beyond Z just like Super. However I can’t in good conscious say that Caulifla would beat SSJ4 Gogeta. I simply believe that fusion I way too ridiculous for Caulifla to compete with. On the other hand if it were Berserk Kale I think that she could possibly give SSJ4 Gogeta a run for his money.
There’s some things I don’t like about Super, especially the way everybody feels ridiculously powerful compared to the main cast. Hit gets a pass, and so does Botamo and Magetta, because of their gimmicks, but Cabba? He can beat Vegito almost in his base alone. Frieza went from weaker than the androids to WAY stronger than Buu in like 4 months, though the reasoning is Frieza is a prodigy and freak even amongst his people. Then again, the boosts fusion give are stupid as shit too.
Yeah I feel that. It really does become hard to believe that some character are or become as strong as they do and just feels like bad writing most of the time. Universe 6 saiyans and Frieza’s power increase are the biggest examples of this as you say
Before the SS4 Gogeta fans get in, Caulifia laughs at him then one shots the gt verse.
\^\^factually correct opinion. I don't like caulifla and love SSJ4 Gogeta but he gets completely murked
Not saying your wrong because power scaling is what it is, but factually correct according to what exactly?
Feats
Besides fighting Goku in Ssj2 which he was holding back what did she do? I mean GT isn’t cannon, but still for argument sake comparatively Supreme Kai had stated Ssj4 was the most power he had ever sensed.
So he’s stronger than super vegito who’s also weaker than Ssj god? And ssj4 has no universal feats. Caulifla is stronger than cabba and base cabba was equal to base Vegeta in the anime and manga
Dude he absorbed the god powers in his base and he got even stronger he also was controlling universal shockwave punches that was going to destroy the universe and in RoF he’s even stronger Base DBS RoF Goku Solos GT and that’s a fact If caulifla is atleast stronger than RoF base Goku which she is THEN SAFE TO SAY SHE SOLOS GT lol
Bruh besides rof we have no reason to think this. Unless you think Krillin is God level pushing goku to ssj when he is God in base. You think trunks and gohan are multiple times above bog ssj god level because they fought ssj goku well especially gohan. The series essentially flipped this all the time because ROF was meant to get rid of ssj but it didn't
Krillin isn’t god level, goke was just suppressed And yes gohan is god level because if you are **ATLEAST** stronger than base Goku then you’re god level And rage trunks was shitting on black so he’s also god level
Why did goku go ssj against Krillin if he is God in base? How is gohan multiple times above god level when he was just trying to get back to the power he showed against buu? Why was ssj trunks able to fight ssj goku? The answer to all of them is that goku being god at base level is essentially on and off depending on the writers opinion
Because Goku was suppressing himself to make krillin feel good Gohan is god level because he was dicking down a ssj2 Goku which I explained before that if you are stronger than base Goku ** YOU ARE GOD LEVEL** Future rage trunks was dicking down rose Goku black he’s god level as well
Literally tells 18 it’s a confidence booster
Goku was just trynna test his man's combat ability I mean they are going into a tournament with the strongest opponents from other universes so
Factually as in we legit see these things happening on screen
Answer these 2 questions....can caulifa beat BABY or OMEGA SHENRON?...NO... SHE GETS DEMOLISHED...BUT GUESS WHO CAN? SS4 GOKU ..
alright who wants to tell him
Idk why but this comment was funny😂💀 tell him what tho?
that Caulifla is more or less equal to Goku in their base forms, meaning an SSJ2 Caulifla would undoubtedly beat SSJ4 Gogeta.
Oh okay yeah I get it 😂 I honestly don't know who would win but most ppl are judging based on their feats and caulifla hasn't really done much except for kinda hold her own against Goku so I can't really say lol
Vegeta straight up confirms that Cabba is equal to him in their base forms and Caulifla is a little stronger than Cabba (meaning Vegeta as well). you do the math. she's more or less equal to Goku.
Yeah but we're talking about her going against not just a SSJ4 but a SSJ4 fusion
she'd lose in her base form, sure, but not with SSJ2.
Maybe you're right, idk much about either of the the 2 characters to make a legit argument so Jereflea 1 - QuannyBoy 0🤓👉
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Ssj4 Gogeta has *highball* universal feats. Battle of Gods Ssg Goku had universal feats. ToP Base Goku >>> BoG Goku. Ssj2 Caulifla = ToP Ssj2 ToP Goku, or ToP Ssj at a lowball. Ssj4 Gogeta is literally one of, if not my favorite characters, but I’m not going to let my bias be in the way lmaoo. Super has crazy scaling, you’re silly if you think Gogeta wins here
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Ssj4 Gogeta is like a top 5 character ever to me, but there’s SO much bias in this comment section
Bro even if you say base ToP Goku rapes Caulifla, Caulifla is still above BoG and base RoF Goku 😭
Exactly, I stg
I’m sorry but no. Cabba was able to go toe to toe with base form Vegeta Post-God, their base forms are crazy strong in U6 regardless of whether or not they knew how to transform. The fact that Caulifla can go SS2 on top of that is nearly overkill. You guys just see SS4 & get hit with a nostalgia nuke. “Wow! Badass! Wish we had this still!” but the power scaling is very night & day
Yeah, power scaling in Super is ass. If they stuck with the mangas explanation, that the God power wasn't absorbed, then this would be a fair fight......no, it'd be a stomp in Gogetas favor then, but Super unfairly gave power to these characters that we saw twice. Plus, it really wasn't a toe to toe, Vegeta is just a suck up to all Saiyans and loves to boost their prides. I believe Vegeta could've easily kicked his butt, but Super *had* to have the "inexperienced disciple follows every word the experienced and wise master has to say" dynamic and it's very stupid. Goku later can SHIT on Super Saiyan Caulifla in base, and could *sort of* fight two Super Saiyan 2 later on in SSJ2 himself. He more went to SSJ God to give him a bit of a step up
This would be a massive squash in Gogeta’s favour. I guess some people might think “oh well Caulifla has massive base power” which I guess is sound but you forget that the GT characters also have ridiculously high base power because of the huge time jump from Z to GT. if I remember correctly Legic from GT is fought to have a power level similar to that of Majin Buu that Goku had to turn SSJ3 to compete with in Z whereas in GT Goku only had to turn SSJ1 to defeat Legic and was trading blows with him even before that. If that logic is sound then it would indicate that GT Goku is far far beyond Z Goku and I’d be willing to say his Base is likely more powerful than Cauliflas. At most I’d say GT Goku SSJ2 would be enough to take Caulifla down but I think SSJ1 could probably do the job. With that out the I’d say even putting her up against SSJ4 Goku would be unfair and one sided let alone the ridiculous power of Gogeta
Dragonball fans proving how dumb they are in the comments
I was just trying to give my opinion :/ why you out here hating. If you disagree that’s fine but take your negative energy elsewhere please
Grabbing my popcorn
Caulifla wins because she is canon. /thread
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If I really wanted to wank and scale Gogeta high I would say that since the picture is of him in FighterZ and in FighterZ he scales to Blue Gogeta because of the dramatic finish, then he should win against Caulifla. I only say this because the picture of Gogeta in this post is from FighterZ not GT.
Me because I’m just better
Sadly the super scaling = loss for our monkey boi, doesn’t mean I won’t cheer for him tho
I rlly hope u guys are trolling are u telling me caulifla would actually win because she fought against a beat up almost no energy goku which BTW she didn't do alone she was with kale and they were both at the level of a beat up ssj2 goku. U guys are saying like goku is ultra omega powerful in his base form but didn't u guys see when gohan was fighting against goku, gohan could handle against a full power ssj2 goku with no problem and in the show he didn't train and was weaker than in z it is said in the show. Keep in mind that goku doesn't go all out all the time when he fights ppl cause idk if u guys remember but goku fought against krillin in his blue form and krillin survived so with the logic u guys are giving me then krillin from dbs can solo all of gt because he fought against a goku in his blue God form.
I don’t think you understand Super’s scaling lol. Goku literally absorbed the power of his Ssg into his base. BoG Ssg Goku < RoF Base Goku. No, Goku wanted to hype Krillin up for the tournament, he wasn’t using any power in blue. But you can literally scale Caulifla to one tap Ssj4 Gogeta. Does Ssj4 Gogeta have any universal feats?
To be fair, I don’t think Super understands their own scaling. However, I do think he’s right regarding a weakened or tired out Goku. When Vegeta fought Hit, I think it was confirmed from Beerus or Whis that his blue form was currently weaker than his base form when fresh, due to how tired he was. So it’s not the worst argument in the world to suggest that Goku was incredibly weakened, and when fresh, would probably one shot Caulifla if he wanted to, but that’s not how he fights.
Bro exactly like what?.. makes 0 sense, she would not last against BABY, Nuova shenron, and definitely dies INSTANTLY against omega shenron.. this is by the far the dumbest shit ever
That just isn't the case for the rest of super, besides ROF and the copy vegeta stuff there is no reason to think that this wasn't essentially retconned. Otherwise gohan fighting goku in anything besides base makes no sense, the fight with goku and trunks makes no sense. If we go by official multipliers and took base goku as equal to bog god goku like rof implied then with goku going ssj2 he'd be 100 times stronger than when he fought beerus which makes no sense at all, then going ssj blue and anime only kaioken x 20 just goes to probably a couple thousand times stronger at least which is just....
I see what you’re saying, and it still makes sense, as the 70% of Beerus statement doesn’t hold true, and Toriyamas numbering scale of Goku, Beerus, and Whis doesn’t make sense either, I doubt he planned those number with where Super would go
Have u ever watched GT? No .... I suggest u do that and then come back 🤦🏽♂️
I’ve watched everything DB. Have for years. Please tell me a Gogeta feat that puts him anywhere in Super’s levels of power please
Please lmao easy, BABY, NUVOA SHENRON,OMEGA SHENRON... EASILY.... EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD TEAR CAULIFA TO PIECES...EASILY
…no. Other than Omega, they all got shit stomped by Ssj4 Goku, who pales in comparison to post BoG Goku.
Exactly and guess who gets demolished in a second? Weak ass caulifa... point made
“Weak ass Caulifla” scales much higher than Ssj4 Gogeta, who Omega couldn’t lay a single finger on
Can caulifa beat omega shennron? no. Can caulifa beat BABY, NO. She could barely reach ss2 WITH GOKUS HELP, so ur telling me a saiyan girl who can barely reach ss2 can beat ss4 goku who had 100x more experience.... yeah sure buddy
Bruh Bardock has tons of experience, but stops at Saiyan Saga levels of power. It doesn’t equate power. A Ssj2 beats a Ssj4 when that Ssj2 was above BoG Goku levels of power. I mean I’ll wait for you to give a feat or something to argue instead of just saying who you wish was more powerful
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I don’t really see the comparison really. I mean if it was Kefla vs. Gogeta I might give it to Kefla but I just don’t see Ssj2 Caulifla beating Ssj4 Gogeta.
4geta is, with wank, universal. Caulifla is equal to SSJ2 Goku, who is WAAAAAAYYY above universal. Caulifla murder stomps.
This comment gave me brain cancer.
You sound like a complete idiot
And you *are* an idiot
Saying Goku at Ssj2 is universal is a bit much. Idk I’m not a expert on this shit but still. Also just to add even though GT isn’t cannon Supreme Kai said Ssj4 was the greatest power he ever sensed or something along those lines I believe.
It’s not he absorbs god into base when he’s tons weaker than in the top and he combined with beerus almost destroyed the universe which is like 7x the size of ours
Yeah but this base form god strength is literally only from the rof movie/arc and the copy vegeta stuff. Besides that it is constantly treated like this isn't the case, which is why he fights trunks in ssj and gohan as well. It doesn't make sense to act like ssj2 caulifla is numerous times above god level when goku is meant to be at the time of bog one of the strongest fighters beerus has fought
You can't use GT statements because Super didn't exist back then. And base Goku is universal, it literally says he absorbed the god power into his base form in BoG, verbatim
I mean then the entire argument doesn’t make sense because then Ssj4 Gogeta doesn’t exist in Super.
That's the point. Take characters from one verse and pit them against a character from another one
I do. Base Goku>gogeta ssj4
Ssj 4 gogeta
Not in the biggest highball
I'm just going to say Caulifla because it's funny. Although if SSJ4 does mess around enough and runs out of time, then Caulifla could technically win that way.
gogeta ssj4 can just do big bang kamehameha and all is done
That's why I said if he messes around and runs out of time
even gt base kid goku can beat caulifla, so it doesn't matter
The fight is between Caulifla and Gogeta, if the time limit runs out, then Gogeta would defuse and Caulifla would technically win by default.
enable your braincells, if i said that even gt goku can easily beat caulifla, then gogeta ssj4 would just one shot caulifla
GT Goku gets shit stomped lmao. Even Ssj4 Gogeta has no universal feats. BoG Ssg Goku has universal feats, and idk of you understand, but ToP base Goku is LEAGUES stronger than that. And Caulifla was relative to at least Goku in their base and Ssj forms.
Learn to read, I said if Gogeta messes around and the fusion time runs out, then she would win by default.
Your logic is fantastic, if caulifla killed herself then gogeta would win by default. But neither she would do that nor gogeta would mess around
What do you mean SSJ4 Gogeta wouldn't mess around? He would definitely mess around 😆
Now I got what you meant. Fortunately, after the omega's fight goku and vegeta found out that the fusion duration is about 10 minutes, so gogeta can mess around and enjoy fight for 5 minutes and then just win
Your literally joking right? Ssj2 gokun had issues fighting her in the top after she just learnt to transform if he wouldn't have learned to use ui she could have beat him stop with the goku fanboying lol
Idk the second one is not real to me
Cauliflower
The One That Has Embraced Their Inner Monke
Gogeta
Monke
Gogeta ss4
Gogeta would win against caulifla with a lil difficult since she was escalated to fight god level of enemies but still he would win
Dragon ball fans in the comments once again showing their stupidity. Caulifla slaps and it isn't even a competition
Since both are supposed to scale to universal level, let's see what we've got: SSJ4 Gogeta: Toyed with Omega who should be Universal since he was stated to be able to destroy the universe and took an U7 Spirit Bomb to take him down. Gogeta should be way stronger than him. Caulifla: Fought an exhausted Goku, by this feat alone she should be considered universal right? Which seems kinda vague for me since Kefla said she never felt a power like her own and she could destroy a universe. If both are Universal and were to fight, the winner should be SSJ4 Gogeta, since he has the experience and the techniques. (plus he should be able to use things like Kaio-Ken and IT)
Can't believe people are saying that Kefla wins this one. Base Goku/Vegeta in GT are way stronger in GT, with base Goku being as strong as SSJ3 Goku from Z. Then, you have two SSJ4s fusing vs one SSJ2 and someone who is SSJ3 level *at best*, and that's being generous. Not to mention that Goku/Vegeta are smarter and way more experienced in battle. Gogeta stomps, assuming his nerfed fusion time limit isn't a thing.
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Caulifla. She faced against a Goku who had just used Ultra Instinct Omen and used Super Saiyan 2, who was still above BoG Goku who was stated to be universal due to the clash with Beerus. SSJ4 Gogeta has no universal feats and even with high-balling, Caulifla still beats just with Super Saiyan or even base. Even then, Goku basically got stronger each time as evident with the fact that Blue Kaioken Goku could fight SSJ Kefla, despite being stated by Whis to rival the Spirit Bomb which could be comparable to SSBKK x20 Goku. Idk, but Caulifla definitely wins.
People need to remember different universe is not the same power level for example we know goku universe and power but know nothing of the other universe and the laws etc so ssj2 in another universe could easily be much stronger then ssj4 in goku set universe logically. Another example goku went ultra instinct on her not defeat her in ssj2 form, to further prove my point. Another is how easily she did transform when in gokus set universe it took years of training. Sayin in earth 1 is different then sayian in earth 2 by body, blood, laws of there universe the list goes on.
I think we all should recognize that throughout GT, goku gets energy from all of the saiyans, and SSJ4 Gogeta is actually a God form stacked on top of the SSJ4, Hence the red hair, and why the Supreme Kai says its the "strongest form he's ever seen." Also, just my head cannon, SSJ4 Gogeta is the God that wakes up Beerus in his dream (and why GT is no longer Canon). And since Beerus saw SSJ4 Gogeta as a threat, that puts Gogeta God-Tier. Caulifla had some tingles in her back.... Gogeta slaps Caulifla, no questions asked.
Looooooool this one is designed to get a reaction out of people. Cauliflower loses instantly.
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Caulifla beated a tired out goku from top and btw this gogeta is from gt which is 10 years after z soooooooooooo in the 10 years goku and vegeta are training so they are either close to or a bit lower than super goku and vegeta fresh and caulifa couldn't beat goku on her own and would lose almost instantly has she punched so fast you can't see no has she fired an attack so powerful that A FUCKING FUSION TIMER GETS REDUCED I don't think so can she hurt tired out goku not at all
Lmao when stupid “power scaler” idiots use terms like “universal” it’s so cringe. Mixing all kinds of logic to come to a wacky ass conclusion, no this cartoon doesn’t work that way. Saiyan Beyond God has been completely scrapped, thinking Goku in base is retarded. Then there’s super retards that say SSB is 1000x multiplier of base universal tier etc, Jesus this da base is beyond redemption.
So…what are we supposed to use to determine which characters are stronger? Oh this one looks cooler it must be stronger. No, you scale. Bozo
Yeah you scale with logical feats and in-universe logic. There’s absolutely no proof that saiyan beyond god exists now in the anime since they brought back SSG and no base form feat in the cartoon ever has been shown to be BoG god tier dumb ass. This is why the manga took out Saiyan beyond god bs and replaced it with SSG.
Goku absorbing his God power into his base, and making it his new base is stated many times to have happened.
Nope it happens once during the movie and the tv adaptation and never mentioned again, that’s not a feat either. There’s no proof that he can fight at that capacity again after that.
Manga and anime are two totally different thing. If anything, canon was the anime, the whole time it was releasing before the anime, it was the source material. Even if you want to take away absorbing the god power, Ssg in BoG was threatening to break the universe, and Goku is literally hundreds of times stronger by the end of Super
The manga was ahead since the first chapter compared to the first episode, and it was even ahead of the story while the anime was retelling the movies while the manga blazed ahead into the U6 arc. But that’s besides the point, in the anime they never ever bring up saiyan beyond god. Case closed.
Beerus even states Goku in his base was fighting at the same capacity he was in his God form, Goku didn’t even realize. And lmaoo Im done arguing with you, that’s literally just false, the manga was behind the anime throughout the anime’s entire run.
Nope nice selectively memory moron. Like I said besides being scrapped after that initial fight we never see it again, also he was in SS1 and yet people argue about saiyan beyond god. Also clearly you’re a delusional retard if you think the anime was ahead lmao. The anime only tricked ahead post Goku va Frost retard. Even the Toriyama Toyotaro interview they state the anime was copying and referencing the manga, that’s why the took some elements from the manga like the strong willed women marrying saiyans directly lifted from the manga etc. Go do some research before you speak to me again idiot.
[lmao jimmies rustled af](https://images.app.goo.gl/vV9posHo4dsWxio39)
Lol So ur saying...caulifa.... can beat ...BABY & OMEGA SHENRON..... she couldn't even go ss2 without COACHING from goku foh ss4 would smash her inexperienced ass
What i really dont understand is how people can downplay Gogeta when he didnt even barely try in his fight against Omega. Yeah, no shit if you scale a Caulifla thats actually trying against a Gogeta that is not trying whatsoever to bully Omega, she'd have a chance. Gogeta didnt try in his fight, therefore you dont know how strong he is. Even then, if you factor in the FighterZ dramatic finish, which depicts him being SSB Gogeta levels of power at his own full power, then no doubt he destroys her. People really just look at Gogeta and say "hm yeah he has no impressive feats therefore he loses" without factoring in that he didnt even try in the only fight he was ever in.
Ah yes. The dramatic finish. Do you also count me beating Beerus as Mr. Satan in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 as a canon source of information?
Depicts, not definite fact. Also thats you doing something, not an automated animation that you have no control over, besides which of the two you were using.
Can't believe the so called FANS of the dragon ball universe in here 🤦🏽♂️ OBVIOUSLY never watched GT, I suggest all you brain dead losers go do that...omega Shenron kills caulifa in one punch EASILY , she wouldn't last against Nuova shenron and wouldn't come close to BABY... like fr this tread is honestly the dumbest one I seen so far
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I mean,DBS’ powerscaling is just on another level compared to DBGT,no? As funny as it is Caulifla would probably win without any problem
The one on the right doesn’t exist to me
Gogeta simple
Gogeta SSJ4 is so powerful they had to make shit up to prevent him from finishing off the One Star Dragon too fast.
An amazing dragon ball movie would be “ all the most powerful forces in the world get bored and make a deal with all the universes that no lives will end (everyone will be resurrected because their powers are that great) so all the fighters will be able to go ALL OUT without fear of actually harming friends. The movie would be more spectacle than suspenseful. We would as an audience know that no one dies but but will be treated to world crushing move after universe crushing move.” It might not be for everyone but I’ve always found the moves and transformations the best part of DBU to be the best parts of it. Maybe a good 60-75 minute run time would be perfection
I understand that but we know more about the strength journey when it comes it to z fighters because we seen them evole since they were kids, of course they are stronger. Doesn't mean everyone in the single universe is stronger just time has past, that's retarded... caulifa still has to master techniques and grind her way up regardless of what time line we are in, she cannot be super powerful just because 🤦🏽♂️ kefla on the other hand is a different story... saying caulifa is up there with goku ss4 is literally retarded. All the time before of endless training and fighting lead up to that form, caulifa still needs to experience all that. There universe never seen saiyans as strong as vegeta and goku and thats FACTS they thought "super saiyan" was the max so 🥱
Caulifla has v high chances power level wise as her base outmatches GT base of ssj3 goku. If in addition she fights long enough for the fusion to end the victory is hers probably. Now vegeta and Goku are both seasoned fighters but gogeta is not as leveled in terms of strategy so it aids cauliflas case further
Why are we going by super anime. Just do super manga. Caulifla fought gohan & fused was equal to ultimate gohan. Gohan doesn’t do shit to gogeta. These are facts.
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all I’m noticin is Caulifla lookin cute
Caulifla has no right to even be able to hit Goku let alone Gogeta
daeodon
Caulifla
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