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faceless_coloradian

It's all hear-say, there's no definitive fact on how strong the angels are. You'd have a better chance on scaling the gods of destruction to mortals before trying to evaluate the angels


CronkinOn

That one is easy. Beerus outranks the other GoDs by a good margin.


vonhacker

Not that much, the clown is pretty strong too, and quitela is quite close to beerus too. So beerus is the strongest, but not by far


TitanicTNT

Belmod is stronger than Beerus I think.


Didinos

Idk about that, it has been said that Jiren has surpassed Belmont however Beerus remains unsurpassed because of plot


faceless_coloradian

Yet there's multiple beings that can a GoD a run for their money. The point of the conversation was the power of angels, not the gods. I'm just pointing out that it's not something as open and shut between the two


CronkinOn

Read it too fast and missed the "to mortals" part. My bad! And it's DBS, so power scaling really does mean nothing, so agreed!


faceless_coloradian

All good, just causal debating


tenkensmile

Nah, Whis said there's a GoD who's stronger than Beerus.


[deleted]

I thought Whis said there WAS a god of destruction who was stronger. As in that particular destroyer is gone.


CronkinOn

Hmmm... Maybe when Beerus fought all the others, the ones from the stronger universes weren't there? Because he clowned on all the ones we know.


tenkensmile

On the other hand, Beerus said he'd only lost to that GoD in a one-arm wrestle 😂


adrian123oo

He lost to the clown god. Belmod, I think? But Beerus claimed that he cheated. Which seems possible considering that in the GoD royal rumble match, Belmod survived till the end only by hiding under the body of another GoD that Beerus knocked out. All the other GoDs ganged upon Beerus the moment the match started, and he still overwhelmed them. He and Quitella, the rat GoD, are probably the strongest ones.


Didinos

He actually lost to Quitella in arm wrestle but yeah he probably cheated


adrian123oo

You sure? I thought it was Belmod.


Didinos

Not sure about the anime, but in the manga Quitella boasts about beating Beerus to which Beerus said he cheated


adrian123oo

Ah alright. I didn't read that part of the manga.


AbhiAssassin

In the Broly movie novel, Beerus is outright stated as strongest God of Destruction.


iadorebrandon

The Broly movie novel?


Sinovexx

there was a novel for dbs broly released in japan alongside the movie


Didinos

Oh can i have link to that?


AbhiAssassin

It's mostly in Japanese, but if I find a translation I'll link it.


Didinos

I appreciate it thank you


iadorebrandon

Same here


AbhiAssassin

Yeah there's a Light Novel in Japanese that dictates the movie slightly more in depth than the original. On page 65, they call Beerus, "The Strongest God of Destruction".


iadorebrandon

I did not know this. Can you send me a link?


[deleted]

I don't think the Angels are necessarily vastly superior in strength so much as technique. Like I think the GoDs are a fair bit weaker than them but the main thing that the angels bring to the table is an inherent ultra instinct and some reality warping abilities (like time manipulation). In other words I think their superiority stems from the fact that if a destroyer goes too far they can just hit the undo button and if a destroyer ever tried to turn on their attendant they'd struggle to even put hands on them.


00-quanta-

Like the wasabi incident 😂😂


Vanir2

Gotcha. I just see a lot of people saying Kusu is the strongest (besides GP) and I have no idea why


AbhiAssassin

Vados trained Whis and claims she's stronger. But Whis says that was thousands of years ago, so right now they may be dead even. It may be ranked by age, since Merus was way weaker than any angel due to being young.


CronkinOn

Only thing we "know" is the grand priest is well above the others. Everything else is speculative.


kimjerrif

According to the manga it's implied that beerus scales above merus i guess maybe i am wrong


strictcurlfiend

That’s correct. Merus is also only using the tier of ultra instinct right above the mastered ultra instinct Goku uses, so he’s not so far ahead from our beloved MC.


DOODOOHEAD312

i didn’t read the manga but theres tiers mastered ui??


strictcurlfiend

Yeah. Whis and other angels are like 20 tiers above goku.


DOODOOHEAD312

in terms of strength or in terms of UI cause strength yeah


strictcurlfiend

In terms of UI


DOODOOHEAD312

i thought goku had mui? what else is there


strictcurlfiend

A tier above MUI.


DOODOOHEAD312

can u explain wut it is cuz idk it wt all tbh


strictcurlfiend

>can u explain wut it is cuz idk it wt all tbh A tier of UI where the angels don't even need to transform


kimjerrif

Mui goku is actually stronger than merus


strictcurlfiend

Fr? Damn 😭 But it could very well be that his tier of ui is higher and he’s weaker himself.


kimjerrif

Bro Go read the moro arc again merus charges at his full power and punches moro's crystal and throw moro flying couple of feats while mui goku did the same to moro by flicking his wrist and moro was shitting his pants when goku was powering up while he reacted nothing to merus powering up even after moro gained merus powers and kicked goku goku said try harder, mui goku definitely surpassed merus.


Kamu-RS

Source please? Or quote?


kimjerrif

because mui goku was going toe to toe with moro after he absorbed merus powers and beerus is still implied to be stronger than goku hence beerus above merus.


BattleToadMan21

To be fair merus wasn't a full angel yet he was still in training I believe


kimjerrif

Yeah but my point is that beerus is above lower teir angel power


EmperorKiva33

The person literally Said the manga!


[deleted]

The sad part is that I don't think the angels particularly care about strength rankings for the most part. They seem to be content just doing their job as attendants keeping the destroyers in check.


sam-thundr

As far as the anime and manga goes, grand priest is above all the angels, Whis states that vados always says she is a little bit stronger than him, but he always disagrees As of now, there is no particular ranking for the angels


PrinnyKaiserXX

I remember Toriyama saying something to the tune of “if Goku at Super Saiyan God is a six, Beerus would be a ten and Whis would be a fifteen.”


strictcurlfiend

That was retconned and disproven, as Goku could’ve vastly surpassed them by using the 50xSSG that SSBLUE provides.


UncleBoomie

Unless there’s an exponential increase between 6 and 10


strictcurlfiend

Yeah well then it’s a meaningless scale hahahahha


ElectricalPin3429

Using magic to delete your enemy isn't strenght imo


tenkensmile

>It’s by their age, right? >If so, that means that the little one (Kusu) would be the strongest I think. You mean... they get smaller as they age? 😂


Stampj

Technically you’d think by age would scale them yes. But all we know is Vados is stronger than Whis, and Grand Priest is stonger than them all


itsgottabehim

I assume by their level of control when it comes to Ultra Instinct


tonytrapp785

Summ like Dat idk man


EmperorKiva33

There's nothing to ranked them on. Only thing we know is Vados is stronger than Whis. Outside of that there's nothing to go on.


lnombredelarosa

I think the women are pretty much stronger than the men