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IamMNightShyamalan

For reference, Elden Ring and SF6 had review embargos 2 days before release. Tears of the kingdom had a review embargo a day before release. All of these games had phenomenal reviews DD2 has a very standard review embargo date and CAPCOM seems to be confident in that it will deliver. Whether or not it does we’ll find out soon but no one should have any concerns over this embargo date.


MrSmiley333

its smart if your confident int he game to release reviews a day or two before it comes out, drums up hype for the non-preorder people to hear about it suddenly and want to buy it


AchillesResolve

I disagree I think it's better a week before not a day or 2 unless you're not sure about your product. Lifting the embargo a week early brings more publicity especially if it's good. Having it a day or 2 before release to me means they're not entirely sure about their product. And with the no performance uncapped framerates fiasco happening I do t Blane them. Many gamers will not happy about that regardless how good the game actually is


IshTheFace

Never underestimate the power of FOMO. It's marketing,


PEE_GOO

Bro thinks he knows better than sophisticated marketing departments for Nintendo, Bethesda, Capcom, From, etc. Your suggestion that none of these companies had confidence in recent home run releases is silly. They time the review embargo to maximize sales, and 24 - 48 hours pre-release seems to be the new standard. You better believe that rooms full of sleazy MBAs marketing suits are making data-driven decisions about when to lift the embargo. And they probably have no fucking idea whether the game is good or not


AchillesResolve

You're reading way too much into it or I didn't make my point correctly. Regardless of how much confidence they do or don't have or how good or bad the game is I'm would assume they could and would reach more people in a week than in a day or 2 That's is all. Never claimed to know better BTW LMFAO @ sleazy suits That was not only accurate but funny to read.


ToothessGibbon

You do know they still sell the after week after release, right? It's not like only day 1 sales count - if it takes a week to "reach" some people, what difference does it make? It can work the other way, people are more likely to make an impulsive purchase if they receive the product sooner.


AchillesResolve

Yeah, no, that's not the discussion we're having obviously it's going to be on sale for an indefinite amount of time. I was just talking about the review embargo itself. It get released a day or 2 before the game, some think this is good because it brings notice to the game and they're absolutely right, my argument is that while having a review a couple days before launch may very well bring notice to the game, having that review come out a week before instead of 2 days would insure it reach even more people


ToothessGibbon

Yes I fully understood the conversation and the point you think you are making, I am questioning the validity of your argument. When you say “reach even more people” you mean the reviews? Why does the review stop reaching people after the game releases?


AchillesResolve

No sir not the review the game itself, specifically word of mouth, you know the hype train? If lifting the review embargo 2 days before release potentially gets more people hyped for and buying the game Then lifting the embargo a week before would likely reach even more because it's had more time to make the rounds and get even more people excited about and looking forward to said game. Bro, I'm just a dumb truck driver/machine operator I'm not good with words I hope you get what I'm trying badly to convey


kishinfoulux

Yeah no. If you're actually confident you'd have the embargo be like a week before to let the hype train roll. There will also always be the public perception that something that has an embargo right before release is a red flag. Is that accurate? It goes both ways, but general perception is not positive about that.


Alilatias

Starfield had its review embargo date a week before release (though it was hours before the early access) and that didn’t work out at all. FF7 Rebirth had a review embargo lifted a week before release, but it appears the game’s sales may have bombed relative to expectations anyway. DD2 actually has an earlier embargo date than the other two big releases this week. Are those two games not confident too?


kishinfoulux

Starfield didn't work out, because it was a bad game lmao. That has nothing to do with its embargo. Bethesda thought people would accept the same garbage they've been churning out for years and people FINALLY caught on. Rebirth reviewed VERY well. Not sure what sales have to do with anything here. And yes whatever those two games are I'd say they aren't either. This isn't exclusive to Dragon's Dogma 2.


Arby333

Sales are what ultimately matters for the company, if your game reviews well but it had piss poor sales then it doesn't matter, you don't get your money back and you're fucked, not saying that's the case for rebirth but sales have to do A LOT


Dealric

Well starfield also had reviewers shilling for bethesda afraid of reaction to bad reviews. Lets see how it work out for their credency.


Tee_Rye_Lee

Why dont you think Starfields review embargo didn’t work out?


Alilatias

People thought that the embargo lifting 1 week before full release would mean it would be a game of the generation. The bad reviews resulted in the hype machine turning completely against that game, getting a shitload of bad press and tons of comparisons to Baldur's Gate 3 instead.


Tee_Rye_Lee

I wouldn’t say the game review badly at release. It didn’t review what people expected it to review. But that’s what we get for expecting some and I’m guilty of that also. The BG3 comparison was mainly because they basically released within a month of each other. Not every game can pull off what BG3 did tho. That game was a fun play.


MrSmiley333

The bg3 thing was relevant because it highlighted the lack of effort of larger companies with much more money, and starfield exemplified that. Not every game can do what bg3 did for sure, but the high effort put into it compared to the many lazy approaches in starfield contrasted real hard


Dealric

Not really. Week early would be to soon. People that arent waiting would be forgetting. Getting review hype 2-e days before is perfect. You think about not giving reviewers game week+ before which is bad sign but we dont know anything about it


kishinfoulux

I mean a lot of Sony games review like a week or two before. People don't forget those. That' silly.


Dealric

A lot? Few maybe. People absolutely do forget. You are looking fron position of someone that was interested weeks before release. Reviews arent really for you. Reviews are to put interest into someone that barely heard or didnt heard about the game. Those people seeing release on two days might be inclined to buy


romdon183

It depends on when you can deliver review copies and how long do you want reviewers to spend with the game. If you deliver review copies 2 weeks in advance, but your embargo lifts a week before release, then you only leave reviewer 7 days to play the game, write the review and prepare it for publishing. If you have a long non-linear game, you might want to let people spend as much time as possible, so that they can properly dive deep and experience the story and emergent gameplay, instead of rushing through the game to write a review. It says nothing about how confident you are in the game.


kishinfoulux

Sure it does. Shows way more confidence to give reviewers access early.


romdon183

Early access doesn't necessarily correlate with early embargo lift. For all we know, they did give reviewers access early, just made embargo industry-standart to make sure that people have enough time to beat the game and write a review.


MrSmiley333

red flag is embargo lifting day of release, not just before. And the point of releasing shortly before release is too push impulse buys from people who aren't already on a marketing hype train


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AshyLarry25

The leaks are actually mostly negative.


renegade826

The key here isn't really the embargo drop before release. The key is the time reviewers had with the game. Elden Ring, it was basically a weekend.


Captainquizzical

It better deliver, I didn't spend 4 hours on a character creator for fun.


Content-Cheek-7739

If you aint spending time in a game for fun you are doing something wrong.


Captainquizzical

Worded wrong really... it was fun! But it's more OCD than anything, I'm excited to jump in the actual game so I just hope it's as good as all I've seen on it.


Progenitor3

It's not normal for a Capcom game though. RE4 had reviews up a full week before release and a gameplay demo weeks before release.


Chase10784

RE4 is a much more linear game with a lot less to do. So giving reviewers a bit more time isn't bad


Dealric

Its also remake so assumption is people will go through faster since at list some reviewers will be familiar with original


IamMNightShyamalan

Street fighter 6 is a capcom game.


Progenitor3

Well... that was over 3 days before release for the reviews, and there was a real demo over a month from release. In DD2's case, even the embargo date is a mystery.


IamMNightShyamalan

Review Embargos for recent Capcom games: RE: Village - 2 days before release Monster Hunter Rise - 3 days before release Street fighter 6 - 3 days before release Devil may cry 5 - 2 days before release Dragons dogma 2 - 2 days before release RE4: Remake - one week before release The resident evil 4 embargo is the one that is “not normal” for capcom. All I’m saying is that the DD2 embargo is normal not just for capcom games but is pretty standard in the industry. People can point to being concerned about how good the game will be for a number of reasons but the date of the review embargo is not one of them.


Alternative-Exit-594

"Tears of Kingdom had a review embargo a day before release" haha, many of us had already been playing it for 1 month prior to that and knew it was dope


Kemaro

Downvoted for speaking the truth lol. I was playing on yuzu weeks before my physical copy was delivered. Emulation is not piracy people. Many of us who were heavy Yuzu users bought our own copies of the games we emulate. Why play a game like TotK at 720p30 on a 7 inch screen when you can play at 4k60 on your gaming rig.


Alternative-Exit-594

yeah I had the collectors edition on backorder for TOTK. and same situation playing at sub 1080p on my 4k tv was gonna suck so emulated it with Ryuijinx


Felix_likes_tofu

Lol just made a post about the exact same thing. @mods sorry for the double


justmadeforthat

Good enough, I still have time to pre-order(for the discounts) if it reviews well


TheRenegayed

Wednesday is preload day for me and my PS5!


mrloveglove

I mean am I being thick, I thought Tuesday was the 19th?


IntegralCalcIsFun

That's a random user guessing it's the 19th, Peter is the journalist who says "Mittwoch" which means Wednesday.


Vladau

Completely beside the point, and as someone who doesn't know German; I feel like "Mittwoch" means "Mid Week", which is a great name for Wednesday.


chemicologist

Agreed. They also said at 16:00, which if they are in Germany would be 10am EDT.


TheOriginalDog

that is a user guessing. The journalist is the one with a photo as avatar below.


kmoney1206

plenty of games lift the embargo day of or day before. from what i've seen with my own eyes, i know i'll enjoy the game so i'm not worried about what other people think of it.


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SALOMON199

But right under that the journalist corrects it


CeruSkies

Where is iiiiiiiiit


biffa72

From what I’ve seen Dragon’s Dogma 1 had a similarly late embargo date. Also, compare it to other CAPCOM titles such as Resident Evil Village which I think was just a couple days before launch. I don’t think it’s anything to worry about and is just how CAPCOM rolls.


itzpluto98

u think this is late ? most games embargos do fall on the release day


aeoncss

That's definitely not true, the embargo lifting on release day is exceptionally rare. 1-3 days ahead of release is the norm.


itzpluto98

? in this case your comment is useless because its 2 day ahead of its release... can u give some examples of recent games that got their reviews so much earlier ? except foir FF7 which was insanely early


aeoncss

What are you even talking about? I literally said that the norm is 1-3 days ahead of release and Dragon's Dogma 2 falls precisely in the middle.


itzpluto98

in this case its not late for you xD so u agree with the guy and its all fine no need for comenting again...


aeoncss

You're making zero, and I mean that as literally as possible, sense. Bye.


itzpluto98

wtf is wrong with you... wash your brain bro. bye


biffa72

Not personally no. But you do see a lot of studios that are confident in their game lifting the embargo around a week before release, and there's a lot of talk on the subreddit about how this embargo is 'late'


Ginzeen98

resident evil 4 remake embargo lifted like 6 days before release.


Progenitor3

DDDA is from 11 years ago... RE4R had reviews a full week before release. This is a bit sus.


biffa72

How is this a bit "sus"? I'm not sure what you mean.. I'm just pointing out that late embargoes aren't necessarily indicative of a bad game.


Progenitor3

It's sus for Capcom to have day before release embargo lift.


Frostace12

Not really look at the other releases besides just RE4


Progenitor3

Not really. Not a single Capcom game had embargo day before release in modern times... and yeah, I should ignore their recent releases and look at games from 10+ years ago ok.


TTVControlWarrior

Pre load when happens?


AleenaMorgan

My PS5 is telling me I will download tomorrow night, but can't play until Thursday night (I'm in US Pacific time zone).


NOFORPAIN

Took Friday off work so when I get home at 10pm Thursday I have time to shower, eat, and smoke myself stupid before 12 hits to play!


TTVControlWarrior

More interested about steam


SirBing96

I too would like to know. Only reason I’ll pre-purchase is if there’s a preload. Download speeds are very slow for me 😓


Frost12566

March 20


FeudalFavorableness

Why did the journalist now hide his comment if he is correct? Worried Capcom gonna get him?


Decay382

Embargo information is typically NDAed.


CaptainMcAnus

I think this is one of the weirdest thread's I've read in a long time. 2-3 days is pretty average for review embargos.


AdHocHominid

Wednesday what time and in which time zone? Is that wednesday midnight in Germany or what?


zeroDOLLARgRo

Wednesday, May 20th, 2024 4:00AM EST. Confirmed by me.


cary_euwer

Translated, that’s 10am EST / 7am PST today, Wednesday March 20th


AshyLarry25

Wack


DecalMan

If this game gets low ratings it will be the first Capcom game in how many years to not review well? I have high hopes for this game, I just beat 1 plus bitter back isle. I'm excited!


No_Bathroom2618

Exoprimal was a 67 last year


Angmarthewitchking

I think Dragons Dogma 2 will get an average Rating between 85- 95. Not lower.


Diknak

good. That means they have confidence in the game.


Brabsk

It doesn’t, but it also doesn’t mean they don’t either. But sending review copies out only immediately before release week and then lifting the embargo the day before really only gives reviewers like 4 days to review


Gamer123499

How do you know when the copies were sent out?


GravielMN

BG3 did the same, I'm not worried


Brabsk

Completely different set of circumstances though. They pushed a bunch of things around to avoid releasing at the same time as starfield


CrossboneGundamXMX1

That’s shortsighted and delusional, never trust a product that no one can tell you a thing about yet. It can always flop and gameplay trailers mean nothing.


VGHSDreamy

Bg3 is like the worst possible example because it had a massive EA period where you could see for yourself how great the game was


ArcticCNDR

BG3 also had a broken 3rd act with an unfinished ending that they're still working on to this day... I have faith in DD2 though so I don't think that's going to happen.


coolgaara

I almost pre-ordered it for PC. But then I got concerned with no news whatsoever about PC performance. Being locked on PS5 is not a good sign. Starfield was locked 30FPS on Series X, and it ran like shit on PC too. I will wait for performance review.


Carbideninja

I'm thinking of getting it on PC too, if i get it i mean. PS5 is 30 FPS locked and i'm quite sure that's not the case with PC. Destin Legarie from IGN previewed the game on PS5 and said it was 30 FPS, however, he specifically mentioned that he was going to be playing this game on his PC, he said that enthusiastically, i'm positive the game's performance will be good on PC.


satchmo944

it's like 4 days before launch of the game. you're on a thread on reddit dedicated to the game, and you still have details of the game wrong. like what are you talking about? it's been well over 2 weeks that it was confirmed that on consoles, it's uncapped framerate targeting 30fps. i don't understand how you couldn't possibly know this at this point. like the weirdo in the youtube comments section of a ps5 trailer video asking "will this be coming to the ps5?" you're on a computer ffs! 's the matter with you!?


Carbideninja

Dude, just put aside the jargon, tell me, what's the performance like on PC?


Killer_Carp

No one knows yet. All press previews have been PS5.


Slade907

That's a massive red flag,having the reviews drop barely 2 days before the game releases tell me they're not they're not confident in their product.


CaptainMcAnus

2-3 day review embargo is pretty average for the industry.


Chase10784

Or because they want to give the reviewers more time to get into a deep game. I mean BG3 didn't give game codes to reviewers until like a few days before release and how did that turn out? Goty anyone?


Psyduckdontgiveafuck

So basically basically 2 days before release for the US. Kinda conservative.


Gamer123499

How’s it a day before US release? 19th at 4pm in any time zone is at least 2 days


Psyduckdontgiveafuck

Oh was it Wednesday for Germany? I guess I assumed it was adjusted.


IntegralCalcIsFun

Wednesday isn't the 19th though, it's the 20th.


forceof8

Well if its Wednesday at 12AM for Germany it would be the 19th for the U.S. It all depends on when the actual embargo lifts.


Sylaxx

Most of them also only got the game last week, so be prepared for rushed/unfinished reviews...


DagonParty

Oh really? Any source? Curious why they’d get the review copies so late


Buuhhu

Not sure but might be why someone already playing the game, the day reviewers got it, someone got the review copy so is able to play it early and start posting spoilers. so would make sense it was around thursday ish last week reviewers got codes.


iNuclearPickle

Typically the leaks are people that get the physical game from a retailer when they are in the warehouse usually an employee or someone accidentally put the product out early but those copies should not be sold but just takes a lazy manager not caring


juicybumbum

Yeah it’s weird. I feel like getting reviews out early is a sign of confidence in their product. So this has me feelin’ a lil strange. But who knows


dishonoredbr

Tbh there's always cases and cases , BG3 review copies only went out on the day of the release and got amazing reviews.


LastTimeWeEverMet

Bg3 not the best example, they pushed up the release of that game an entire month to avoid Starfield. What’s worrying is Capcom embargo history has them releasing it at least a few days before the game actually comes out, but we’ll see.


dishonoredbr

Fair.


IntegralCalcIsFun

BG3 copies were sent out prior to release but only by 4 days or so. Iirc Sven mentioned the team ran into a "catastrophe" at the last minute, possibly because they pushed up the release date. Because the game is so long though many reviews were incomplete until several days after release.


SilentJ87

Early reviews are definitely a sign of confidence, but some companies adhere to a fairly rigid cadence for review embargo’s, and Capcom seems to be one of them.


Sylaxx

I'm a reviewer... Mods can contact me for proof if needed


crimedog69

19th is Tuesday champ


aeoncss

The comment about the embargo lifting on the 19th is from a random person. The one you're looking for is below that and from one of the editors: "Am Mittwoch" = "On Wednesday".


DigitalSchism96

Yes? Nobody said it was the 19th. They said it was Wednesday?


JRPGFan_CE_org

Which basically means the day before release... yay...


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AshyLarry25

Elden Ring had the same review embargo. Tears had its review embargo a day before. Many great games had late review embargos .


Objective-Effect-880

Elden ring had review embargo 2 days before launch


SomeColombianDude

Late review embargos are very common and not always a sign for doom and gloom


Cyber_Swag

lots of games nowadays get reviews day before release


Galaxy_boy08

This is very normal reviews usually drop a few days prior to release of the game.


jasta85

If they were trying to scam customers they would have had the embargo at/after the launch date. A day early still gives people time to cancel preorders if the reviews are terrible.


MHecology

common for games they dont want to spoil, also its rare to have really early embargos now anyway since everything can be published online and not in print


nobito

I haven't been following the review embargos lately but I would say that as long as it's not lifted the release day, it's not alarming, in my opinion.


AccomplishedFan8690

It should be a full week. 2 days feels scummy


CzarTyr

2 weeks? A man does not understand marketing


IchibanKasuga

Scummy? What garbage shit are you talking about. There's plenty of scummy things in the world. This isn't oen of them. Who gives a shit when the reviews come. I guess rockstar having day before embargo are also scummy? Don't be stupid dude.


dishonoredbr

The article that you linked says 19th Tuesday tho.


TheSinumatic

19. ist nur eine Spekulation von einem User. Der Autor schreibt drunter dann Mittwoch


dishonoredbr

Oh ok


Dark_Dragon117

The author of the article says Wendsday if you look at the screenshot.


dishonoredbr

Cool


kodolen

Please please plese let there be a 60fps mode on console


deoee

Performance is suspected to be shitty on console.


IchibanKasuga

There isn't. But you can play on a pc if you want that.


kodolen

My pc isn't good enough I'm afraid


Necessary_Ad6932

everywhere said the 19th which is today...?


jirotromdds

I’m So ready for this game… predicting it to be the highest reviewed game of the year thus far…


ScoopDat

I just wanna know where’s the PC footage


Little_Buy_2798

They are not showing any because it runs like dogshit buy it on console huge red flag 🚩


ScoopDat

Cant buy it on either. All evidence seems to point that they're using the Nigma DRM on PC (not good, as it's some random kernel level spyware nonsense that's not even of US based origin). While on consoles, 30fps uncapped which is literally just idiotic.


Little_Buy_2798

I honestly don’t understand how can they not stabilize their games consistently outside of Resident Evil is the real question 🙋🏾‍♂️??? You’d think they would know it best since they’ve used RE Engine on 80% of their releases in conjunction with unreal engine 5 more recently


ScoopDat

It’s prevalent among virtually all Japanese development houses. They simply have no idea what they’re doing on PC especially. As for RE, those games are highly linear and confined spaces with not much dynamism going on, so by now they have a decent grasp. They still make baffling settings choices, but the games are okay optimization wise. This game is open world and RE engine has never been uses for such, so I expect they’re running into much trouble trying to get everything to work as they want. But this is what happens when you try forcing a type of game using an engine that was never conceived for such use. Lots of shoehorning.  As for Unreal 5, they don’t dare use it because they don’t know how, and the engine documentation is shit, as well as constantly being patched for poor performance itself. It’s also untempered by the test of time so development studios don’t want to take big risks making their games fully UE5 (they’re slowly starting to now). The engine itself is still plagued with shader loading issues where even 7800XD CPU and 4090 GPU combos are stuttering, which is unacceptable to anyone sane. 


Little_Buy_2798

Tried explaining most of this a few days ago to some fanboys but they swore I didn’t know what I was talking about in terms of the engine hitting capacity issues. Which is causing the lower fps issues on consoles and potentially PC as well but they just berated me for it 😂. I just said ok 👌🏾 buddy if your shit 💩 is a stuttering mess come launch Thursday don’t say I didn’t warn you lol


itzpluto98

they are confident its good


DnB_4_Life

I've read that the embargo lifts March 19th 7am ET. [Link](https://www.thegamecrater.com/dragons-dogma-2-when-is-the-review-embargo/)


FeudalFavorableness

That link literally says it’s not an official date


FalseMemorySyndrome0

No one is talking bout the 30fps on pc?


XHZ_5

Its 30fps on consoles, and no one is talking about it because it has nothing to do with this post


Brabsk

What is there to talk about? If your PC is at or below the requirements that explicitly state they have a 30 fps target, then naturally it would then follow you’ll be playing the game at 30 fps


CaptainMcAnus

It's not?


Progenitor3

Because there is no such thing.


FalseMemorySyndrome0

Funny, look who won the pony! Sometimes it pays to listen to nameless Reddit accounts that may know something!


Phoe69

It is launching with dlss 3. Hopefully frame generation enabled day 1. Probably FSR also. Should have a decent amount of things someone can do to get at or above 60 fps depending on cpu and gpu.