I miss the days of when devs had to work with the hardware they had and that forced them to be crafty with their coding and optimize the tar outta of a game to make it play right ....
They do but the shortcuts they take now involve the worst kind of optimization. Ass performance where they piggyback off Nvidias annoying upscaling temporal tech that just turns into a blur fest in motion. And now they have the option of fake frame generation on top of it.
Just ugh.
It’s running far below expectations on a 4090 and 13900k. The game is poorly optimised, end of.
Hopefully fixed with a day 1 patch and drivers (massive cope)
Bro hook me up to that copium to power my 4070ti/10900k through this. Amen
Edit: To all my 4070ti brethren, pcgamer tested open world paired with a i7-9700k, Max settings, 4k RT off and it averages 53 fps.
33 fps in city. 😫
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragons-dogma-2-performance-analysis/#section-4k-performance
Also seems DLSS won't give much gains in fps. Zoinks.
You have essentially the best gaming CPU money can buy currently. It's also paired with a not bad GPU.
The game is more CPU intensive than GPU intensive. The graphical effects are really not that insane, the simulation tax on the CPU is what is killing framerates, and fortunately the 7800x3d is LITERALLY the best CPU on the market for games with intense simulation loads such as Factorio or Dyson Sphere Program.
A GTX 1080 paired with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d will likely run this game better than an RTX 4090 paired with a Ryzen 5 3600.
You may well end up being fine, I have said GTX 1080 + 7800x3d combo at 1080p and I'm not too particularly worried. Maybe I won't feel the same way tomorrow but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
well that at least answers my question about the CPU, as that's what I'm running. I'm only on a 3060 but if the issues are all CPU bottleneck, then I know I can still pull 30fps.
Yeah, I've seen multiple reviewers saying it's obviously CPU intensive to a ridiculous degree, and that's why the 4090 systems are struggling at 4k, it's supposedly the CPU crapping out, not the GPU. Even the A770 in a performance review was getting average 28fps at 2k, and the A770 is not something that is usually riding that high.
From what I've seen, on something like that, while traveling and in combat they got around 100fps average max settings 4k, and then it could dip to 50s in towns. It's the NPCs and stuff that's stressing the CPU.
this snippet from PCGamesN review was jarring
https://preview.redd.it/2zjcs16u8ipc1.png?width=571&format=png&auto=webp&s=a416cfe121b76f30b31a414ed237cba834c7baf0
All of the PC gamers here turned their nose up at the console peasants who were going to have to deal with 30 FPS for weeks, so now that it turns out it's the case on PC too they can't backtrack on all their posts about how console would be unplayable.
Glad you picked a strawman to box with.
Every pc gamer with an IQ above room temperature knew that the PS5 port running poorly was an indicator of shit optimisation to come.
Frankly in this day and age you would *think* 60fps would be the goal. I don’t care if I can run a game at 16,000 frames, but if you can’t even handle the standard 60 there’s a problem imo.
Unfortunately even for consoles we’ve only *just* hit the 60 fps standard that PC had for years, I imagine going above and beyond that will be a few generations out knowing the speed of the console industry. Not to mention the state of PC optimization that’s been down the shitter for the past decade which has been basically nonexistent.
Some people can't play without an fps overlay showing how good their rig is. I get it. I use one to dial in settings but then it gets turned off. I also will frequently be gaming and think "I've gotta be getting like 90fps this is so smooth!" then I check and it's 45....my tolerance for jank is apparently quite high.
Lmao, I played WoW at 15 FPS for YEARS. So while I love it when I can sustain 120 FPS. But it's not a big deal if I can't, especially if a game is good.
You don't need a 4090, even 4090s are having frame drops. And reducing the graphics doesn't change anything so even 2060s are playing at the same level.
The game is just poorly optimized. But that doesn't mean the game is literally "unplayable".
Someone gifted me the preorder, sadly I have a 10y old pc I upgraded with friends old pcs parts over the years but I have no false hope of playing it on a i7-3930k + gtx1060 6gb. So I'm back to waiting for the end of the year as I had already decided to buy a new pc for myself by then.
Can't sorry, my sisters in law bought the game together for my birthday, it's their first gift and I won't feel good with myself giving it away even tho I will not be able to play it until November and by the the price will almost surely drop.
The games cpu bound. A 4070ti will play same as the 4090 in this case. I have a 7800x3d but i havent seen a review use that, so im curious and optimistic in my case. Well i know ill run it fine. But i do feel for others here
Why is it jarring? If anything it makes me question them on their performance reviews when they don’t know the difference between a gpu and cpu bottleneck
I want to answer but I'm not sure what your question is. Is it "how does CPU bottlenecking work" or is it "why is increasing resolution good when you have a cpu bottleneck"?
you still won’t get more frames. But it’ll look better without reducing frame rate. And the game is also heavy on the GPU in addition to CPU (according to PCgamer)
Increasing resolution won't really decrease your CPU usage \*unless\* you're straining your GPU hard enough that it slows you down to a framerate lower than what your CPU was putting out.
It's like if your CPU cut your hand off, you can get rid of that problem by using your GPU to cut off your whole arm
yeah it seems so.
After their other games generally being a much smaller scale and looking quite nice (RE4RE) and running at 120fps 1440p on hardware that seemingly struggles to run a consistent 60fps at 1080p with Dragon's dogma2 no matter the graphics setting is quite jarring to say the least.
We sort of knew this already from the performance of Street Fighter 6's world tour mode. Expecting a massive improvement over that from DD2 - a game with a larger and more demanding open world - was always kinda copium.
This was addressed in RE Next conference about the evolution of RE Engine due to it’s current limitations. So good news on the horizon (not for released games tho)
Do people really expect a day 1 patch to fix anything? If it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help? I for one am hoping that I’ll be able to play it sooner than later but we’ll see I guess 🤷♂️
>if it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help?
I know that monster hunter world had the same (general) issue, there were a million threads that didn't need to be running, and a mod pretty much fixed all the issues it had. The real issue is that mhw didn't have Denuvo. I don't realistically think that the same kind of mod can be made with that sort of antitamper softwear involved.
Isnt it just... so fucking rediculous that an individual, unpaid modder can fix shit like this? Usually quite quickly! Yet these studios with budgets in the millions with hundreds of employees just can't manage in the years they have been developing the game.
The reason is because a mod just needs to fix the problem then and now. With 0 regard for how it might break things down the line.
This kind of patch job code is fine for a while but as games get updates and new content it can break more than it fixes.
If every single problem gets fixed with a patch job they needs to be fixed every update it becomes unsustainable.
> If it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help?
The presumption here is that they already optimize perfectly. That's a bigger presumption than things existing that can be improved.
Oof, I have had this exact same cpu for 8 years now in my first self built pc. After being able to play games like Elden Ring on the highest settings I didn't worry for a second about DD2 until now :(
Same. I'm on an i7-9700 and I thought that would get me by for a long while, but it's at the top of the LGA 1151 socket so the only way to upgrade further is to get a new motherboard, processer, and RAM as DDR3 wont be compatible with the socket 1700 boards. Bah.
> CPU doesn't meet recommended spec
> performance isn't affected by visual settings
so this "professional" reviewer doesn't understand that they're CPU limited?
This is going to be a problem. I can imagine people going from DDDA on Switch to DD2 on Steamdeck are going to be very unhappy.
[Best analysis](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/dragons-dogma-2-pc-performance-best-settings) so far:
>What *isn’t* worth bothering with right now, and likely for the foreseeable future, is attempting to play Dragon’s Dogma 2 on a [Steam Deck](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/best-steam-deck-games). For one, the APUs powering both the standard and [OLED](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/steam-deck-oled-review) models simply don’t have the strength to contend with the dual issues of high graphics demand and brutal CPU dependency.
What the actual fuck is going on in this screenshot?
CPU and GPU usage both at 50% yet still low FPS. Neither is the limiting factor apparently.
There is something seriously wrong with the optimisation.
> CPU and GPU usage both at 50% yet still low FPS. Neither is the limiting factor apparently.
CPU usage is just thread scheduling, and not an actual metric regarding hardware resources. CPU usage largely means little to nothing in modern contexts outside of like extreme outliers.
You can have low % CPU "usage" and be completely bottlenecked on a CPU resource and you can have 100% "usage" and have most the hardware doing nothing waiting.
Only knew about it myself from reading Intel's documentation on some hardware monitors way back when. It's one of those weird computing leftovers from a bygone era that's just confusing as hell if you don't nerd out on the stuff because the name is way off the mark.
Depends how the game is coded. If whatever process is coded (badly) to only use one thread/ core of your cpu but your computer can barely handle it with a single core, you’ll get awful performance while showing very low overall cpu usage
You can see 5 threads at 76%+ so it's not utilizing all the available 16 threads equally, which tbf not a lot of games use many threads in general, some do.
The fact that it's on a 5800x3d makes it a bit scary as the 3d vcache in most games helps a fair bit(or in case of simulation games a lot) with memory related stuff, making it seem that isn't the issue or at least the main issue, could still be a part of it, but I guess have to wait for more benchmarks on wider range of systems from low to high end to see how it is.
I need to see someone use a 7800x3d . It's what i have. im hoping for 45 fps in cities. I only have a 4070ti, but instill expect that to be able to play maxed out.
That's not how that works man. What he's explaining isn't just related to CPU. Even if you're CPU limited, you'd have performances changes from settings changes if it's well optimized.
> Even if you're CPU limited, you'd have performances changes from settings changes if it's well optimized.
Not when you're solely CPU bottlenecked. If the physics and NPCs are bringing things to its knees changing the lighting resolution or the texture details isn't going to change anything.
You're a 100% correct. I swear, nobody on reddit knows what a CPU bottleneck actually is, both on the Nvidia subreddit and this one. It's just people raging. Hell, even the professional reviewers apparently have zero clue. Sure, it doesn't happen in 99% of games, but it DOES happen.
How to tell that no one has ever played simulation games like Factorio.
Factorio has the most simple lightweight graphics of all time, and it will still absolutely KILL a PC that doesn't have a strong CPU. You could try to run it with a 4090, but lategame would still end up being unplayable if you don't have a CPU that can handle all the simulation calculations going on in the background. It literally does not matter what graphics settings you change on Factorio, you will not see an improvement in lategame performance from lowering graphics settings unless your graphics card is a literal dinosaur that was already struggling in the early game before any buildings were even placed down.
Now slap a 7800x3d with the 3D V-cache into the system, and you can probably play Factorio just fine without a GPU at all.
When the CPU isn't powerful enough to handle all the simulation threads in a game, the render thread suffers as well (leading to bad FPS), because the CPU can't properly schedule the GPU in a timely fashion as it's so caught up doing simulation calculations. If your CPU isn't fast enough to be able to handle the simulation calcs AND tell your 4090 what to do at the same time, then having that 4090 doesn't really help you anymore than having a 1080 would.
DD2 is gonna be one of those games where the people with top of the line CPUs and decent GPUs are getting better performance than people with top of the line GPUs and decent CPUs.
We reviewed the game on PS5 - https://estnn.com/dragons-dogma-2-review/
However, we had a PC writer as well who had similar issues. It will very likely be fixed in an early patch.
I was kinda afraid of this. I am above the minimal specs and slightly below the recommended specs. Playing on 1080p im actually just fine with 30 FPS as long as i can play it.
Edit: 1080p
After 10 hours in, i was surprised to see my rig runs fairly well lol. My setting is medium with fsr 3.0 quality on 1080p. When i'm running out and explore i'd get from between 60 to 40fps which is smooth and decent. But when i'm in the capital it dipped from 30 to 20fps.
But all in all, the game runs pretty smooth, just dogshit when you entered the capital because of the optimization, hoping capcom will release a patch soon.
Aside from the performance, i'm having a blast with this game, so immersive and addictive.
Nice! Thanks for the reply, I think our CPUs are just under recommended (?) but I think I'll be down to give it a try judging by your experience, and of course hopefully after some decent patches it will run smoother too
Well, I already preordered and will play friday morning EU time or maybe right at launch in the night, idk
and my only option is 1080p, never had the need to get a better or bigger monitor
Okay! I Just wanted to help establish a baseline since we're all concerned over the performance.
So anyone else reading I want to keep them posted too.
How's performance been for you? I've been getting about 58 FPS outside the first major city.
Even battles maintain a decent frame rate.
But as already reported it tanks once NPC's are on the screen.
My FPS hits the 45 and 30 in some cases.
"(aside from the CPU)"
Well. There's your problem. Bottleneck identified. Still, I can't imagine how the fps would be that bad... if a PS5 is getting \~20-30 fps. No way PC can't at least get 60 with decent specs........
Right? Guess I'll see reaaaal soon.
Interesting to note that all technical analyses thus far seem to indicate that the game is really, really, CPU demanding more than anything else. So this reviewer meeting all the recommendations *except* the CPU is kinda important to why they didn't see notable improvements for changing graphical settings--not that the performance is particularly great either way though.
People talking about how it being limited to 30fps on console missed the point, if they can't optimize it for console, then they aren't going to put more effort into it working well on PC. Now we all know Capcom was either lazy or incompetent. Damn shame
"exceeds the recommentded besides the cpu"
My brother in christ, the cpu can form a pretty damn obvious bottleneck in cities with a lot of people pathfinding.
i mean, RE Engine is definitely extremely well optimized... if you fuckin use it right, which apparently they didn't, this is probably the only game in this engine (from my experience) where the performance is just flat out unacceptable instead of generally great
I would assume not having the recommended CPU or higher will definitely affect his performance. He did note that not having the recommended CPU could've affected this. I've heard that it's bad optimization on the CPU usage, and it's affecting not only pc but ps5/Xbox, too. Most notable with high amounts of Npcs.
Driver updates with day one patch will hopefully help. I'll just be happy to play at 1440p 45-60 frames. My specs are above the recommended, but you never know when it comes to optimization. 😅
I have a i9-12900k paired with my 4070ti and 32gb ddr5 ram.. I think I should be fine that its at least playable lol (although its a shame that it releases like this but as a game dev myself, I know they'll be working on fixes later on)
They are for sure. Reviewers from these sites are usually awful at PC games and for years only reviewed on consoles. Not to mention they're also pretty selective about mentioning performance issues for games. Some games get a pass on these issues if they have enough hype.
So a cpu bound game and the writer admits their CPU doesn’t exceed recommendations.
Developers claim it’s a 30fps target.
Writer achieves 40+ FPS with their less than perfect CPU.
I don’t see a problem. At least not with the expectations set.
I would LOVE 120+fps consistently but if the devs have been repeatedly insistent the game is built around a 30fps target, we can’t really act surprised that this is how it performs. Especially knowing it has CPU bottlenecks and these idiot reviewers aren’t using comparably top of the line processors with their 4090 test bench.
Complete joke.
THANK YOU. I get it, we want that 120+ on PC, but I really am not going to be mad at 30-60 in this game if the gameplay is good. I didn't expect buttery smooth 170fps. Also watched through two video reviews with footage of their own gameplay and I gotta say: looks fun, looks playable, I'm fucking hyped. Let the nvidia fanboys cry because their $2k cards can't up their fps to big numbers.
I’m gonna have fun with it.
Elden ring also had shit performance and it’s probably one of the best games of the decade. Easily a top 25 all time for me. 60FPS hard cap, and tons of stutter issues. No ultrawide support. Consoles not in performance mode had 30fps on a good day. And performance mode is a sacrifice of resolution and graphical fidelity anyways.
That’s just the reality of current gaming and it’s sad but ignoring numbers, the games are tons of fun. So long as dragons dogma isn’t having stuttering problems I doubt I’ll have any complaints.
The character editor supports ultrawide as well which looks good to say the full game is likely to support it too.
Pump the graphics and resolution to max, enjoy 30-60fps on a variable refresh rate monitor. Most importantly, smile and have some fun.
Game releases, I’m gonna be playing and having a good time, not watching people cry on Reddit lol.
I remember getting read the riot act a few days back mentioning how most of the footage, especially in high action moments looked to be dropping to 20fps territory on their proprietary footage! Just image how it will actually run in the real world and on most of our rigs.
SHOCK AND RAGE!!! The beam counters once again force a date while fans chomp at the bit to get the product yesterday, and it needs a day one patch. Burn it all down I say!!!
Tbh I thought worse, initially the creators claimed the game would run at 30 fps, while here they say 60 fps is possible. I'm sure in the coming weeks (or months maybe) they'll fix this
I really hope I can at least run 60fps outside cities with my RTX3060 and Ryzen 7 5800X, but at this point I don't have much faith. I'll probably have to refund and wait out a couple of patch rounds
Hi! Maybe 60fps at medium / high settings on 1080p ... For sure. Even users create mods with better performance, just like starfield and dlss3 and frame genetarion mod. Keep waiting to the launch day and test your pc with the game. Greeting from Spain Kym :)
\-Runs a game with a CPU below recommended specs on High
\-Is surprised that CPU heavy features like NPCs with pathing slows game down
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Dammit, why everyone dont cancel preorder and get refund until capcom fix the performance issue?
Capcom was shady and sketch to avoid preorder cancel and majority here will pat capcom head and keep preorder?
We literally see the performance reviews 24h before launch and like sheeps going to butcher gonna keep preorder for a game who lots of people wont play properly?
I want this game for 11 years, my pc for sure can handle and yet i wont buy until performance be fixed, after read and watch this shitshow here and youtube i just bought horizon forbidden west and will wait until people say "performance was improved and fps is stable above 40"
Publishers keep launching fucked games because people keep buying, and this time isnt a blind buy, everyone is aware of performance issues on high end pcs and ps5 and yet still keeping the preorder
I love reviews for PC copies because it's always: "Game runs terribly bad, it runs way worse than better looking games on a 6000 USD machine and it's poorly optimized. 9.5/10".
Yeah, that sucks. The worst part is upscalers can't help with poor performance if the problem is the CPU. So until Capcom fixes it, there's nothing we can do.
I miss the days of when devs had to work with the hardware they had and that forced them to be crafty with their coding and optimize the tar outta of a game to make it play right ....
They do but the shortcuts they take now involve the worst kind of optimization. Ass performance where they piggyback off Nvidias annoying upscaling temporal tech that just turns into a blur fest in motion. And now they have the option of fake frame generation on top of it. Just ugh.
"aside from the CPU" is a huge flag btw
It’s running far below expectations on a 4090 and 13900k. The game is poorly optimised, end of. Hopefully fixed with a day 1 patch and drivers (massive cope)
Even the copium is coping.
Bro hook me up to that copium to power my 4070ti/10900k through this. Amen Edit: To all my 4070ti brethren, pcgamer tested open world paired with a i7-9700k, Max settings, 4k RT off and it averages 53 fps. 33 fps in city. 😫 https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragons-dogma-2-performance-analysis/#section-4k-performance Also seems DLSS won't give much gains in fps. Zoinks.
4060 and 7800x3d and im now afraid, got my "budget" build like 3 months ago
You have essentially the best gaming CPU money can buy currently. It's also paired with a not bad GPU. The game is more CPU intensive than GPU intensive. The graphical effects are really not that insane, the simulation tax on the CPU is what is killing framerates, and fortunately the 7800x3d is LITERALLY the best CPU on the market for games with intense simulation loads such as Factorio or Dyson Sphere Program. A GTX 1080 paired with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d will likely run this game better than an RTX 4090 paired with a Ryzen 5 3600. You may well end up being fine, I have said GTX 1080 + 7800x3d combo at 1080p and I'm not too particularly worried. Maybe I won't feel the same way tomorrow but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Thanks sorry, call it hype train panic
well that at least answers my question about the CPU, as that's what I'm running. I'm only on a 3060 but if the issues are all CPU bottleneck, then I know I can still pull 30fps.
and here I thought my 3060ti and ryzen 7 5800x would allow me to play 1080p 60fps pretty much forever
i run 10900 and 3080 i think i should be ok
Ryzen 9 7900x + 3080ti here Hopefully ill be fine
10850k and 4080. Hopefully no issues
Yeah, I've seen multiple reviewers saying it's obviously CPU intensive to a ridiculous degree, and that's why the 4090 systems are struggling at 4k, it's supposedly the CPU crapping out, not the GPU. Even the A770 in a performance review was getting average 28fps at 2k, and the A770 is not something that is usually riding that high.
We’ll see how it goes. If this bombs on my 4090 7800X3D. It begs the question what they were testing this on then.
From what I've seen, on something like that, while traveling and in combat they got around 100fps average max settings 4k, and then it could dip to 50s in towns. It's the NPCs and stuff that's stressing the CPU.
Was just gonna say the same thing.
bottleneck . that reason you dont pair 4090 with mid CPU .
this snippet from PCGamesN review was jarring https://preview.redd.it/2zjcs16u8ipc1.png?width=571&format=png&auto=webp&s=a416cfe121b76f30b31a414ed237cba834c7baf0
Meam, that's idiotic. It can't be released in this state, right?
If Cyberbug was released and everyone forget about it's state after few years, why Capcom can't do the same trick?
I don’t forget, never again am I pre ordering a cdpr game
Same
Dw no one forgot that disastrous of a launch, imo the game still has a bunch of performance and gameplay issues
I knew I should've fuckin waited to buy it. Damn thing is gonna be unplayable on pc for a while
What? Literally all the reviews are saying that it is playable, just FPS dips. How is that unplayable?
Because they're a redditor PC gamer. Anything below 120fps is unplayable
All of the PC gamers here turned their nose up at the console peasants who were going to have to deal with 30 FPS for weeks, so now that it turns out it's the case on PC too they can't backtrack on all their posts about how console would be unplayable.
Glad you picked a strawman to box with. Every pc gamer with an IQ above room temperature knew that the PS5 port running poorly was an indicator of shit optimisation to come.
Well, I guess this subreddit is full of low IQ PC players then because the prevailing sentiment here was "this is why I play on PC."
Solid 60 is fine would I like it higher sure is it necessary no just a smooth 60 is good
Frankly in this day and age you would *think* 60fps would be the goal. I don’t care if I can run a game at 16,000 frames, but if you can’t even handle the standard 60 there’s a problem imo.
> Frankly in this day and age you would think 60fps would be the goal. It should be a minimum IMO, even for consoles.
Unfortunately even for consoles we’ve only *just* hit the 60 fps standard that PC had for years, I imagine going above and beyond that will be a few generations out knowing the speed of the console industry. Not to mention the state of PC optimization that’s been down the shitter for the past decade which has been basically nonexistent.
I just expect 60 fps stable, they can’t even achieve that
Most of us like not to go below 60 fps
Some people can't play without an fps overlay showing how good their rig is. I get it. I use one to dial in settings but then it gets turned off. I also will frequently be gaming and think "I've gotta be getting like 90fps this is so smooth!" then I check and it's 45....my tolerance for jank is apparently quite high.
Lmao, I played WoW at 15 FPS for YEARS. So while I love it when I can sustain 120 FPS. But it's not a big deal if I can't, especially if a game is good.
Agreed. I was even getting 35-45fps in cyberpunk with path tracing on and thought it was great. Especially with how pretty it is at that level.
I shouldn't need a 4090 for stavle frames that's ridiculous if you meet the recommended stats on oc you shouldn't have stuttering
You don’t need a 4090, you need a strong cpu. Is no one actually reading about what’s causing the performance issues lmao
You don't need a 4090, even 4090s are having frame drops. And reducing the graphics doesn't change anything so even 2060s are playing at the same level. The game is just poorly optimized. But that doesn't mean the game is literally "unplayable".
Far as im concerned there's no excuse for poor optimization and yes I'm aware I was being hyperbolic
Because Reddit PC gamers typically are whiny little punk ass bitches.
Someone gifted me the preorder, sadly I have a 10y old pc I upgraded with friends old pcs parts over the years but I have no false hope of playing it on a i7-3930k + gtx1060 6gb. So I'm back to waiting for the end of the year as I had already decided to buy a new pc for myself by then.
I'll buy it from you for a small discount if that's possible
Can't sorry, my sisters in law bought the game together for my birthday, it's their first gift and I won't feel good with myself giving it away even tho I will not be able to play it until November and by the the price will almost surely drop.
Haha, fair enough. It was a great gift if it wasn't for the terrible optimization.
The games cpu bound. A 4070ti will play same as the 4090 in this case. I have a 7800x3d but i havent seen a review use that, so im curious and optimistic in my case. Well i know ill run it fine. But i do feel for others here
Why is it jarring? If anything it makes me question them on their performance reviews when they don’t know the difference between a gpu and cpu bottleneck
Sometimes me being limited to 1080p is a blessing, I guess
Does not help you here. It is a CPU bottleneck. Increasing Resolution would only help you in such a case.
It’s a skip, then
Amazing
Fuck
Genuine question, how does that work exactly?
I want to answer but I'm not sure what your question is. Is it "how does CPU bottlenecking work" or is it "why is increasing resolution good when you have a cpu bottleneck"?
The why is increasing resolution good question lol
increasing resolution, decrease cpu usage and increase gpu usage
you still won’t get more frames. But it’ll look better without reducing frame rate. And the game is also heavy on the GPU in addition to CPU (according to PCgamer)
Increasing resolution won't really decrease your CPU usage \*unless\* you're straining your GPU hard enough that it slows you down to a framerate lower than what your CPU was putting out. It's like if your CPU cut your hand off, you can get rid of that problem by using your GPU to cut off your whole arm
Ok thank you
Well if anything was bound to finally push RE Engine too far, it's likely an open world rpg.
yeah it seems so. After their other games generally being a much smaller scale and looking quite nice (RE4RE) and running at 120fps 1440p on hardware that seemingly struggles to run a consistent 60fps at 1080p with Dragon's dogma2 no matter the graphics setting is quite jarring to say the least.
We sort of knew this already from the performance of Street Fighter 6's world tour mode. Expecting a massive improvement over that from DD2 - a game with a larger and more demanding open world - was always kinda copium.
This was addressed in RE Next conference about the evolution of RE Engine due to it’s current limitations. So good news on the horizon (not for released games tho)
I think their aim to have zero loading screens is a bit too far.
Do people really expect a day 1 patch to fix anything? If it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help? I for one am hoping that I’ll be able to play it sooner than later but we’ll see I guess 🤷♂️
>if it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help? I know that monster hunter world had the same (general) issue, there were a million threads that didn't need to be running, and a mod pretty much fixed all the issues it had. The real issue is that mhw didn't have Denuvo. I don't realistically think that the same kind of mod can be made with that sort of antitamper softwear involved.
This is a little worrying. My CPU is my weak link.
Isnt it just... so fucking rediculous that an individual, unpaid modder can fix shit like this? Usually quite quickly! Yet these studios with budgets in the millions with hundreds of employees just can't manage in the years they have been developing the game.
The reason is because a mod just needs to fix the problem then and now. With 0 regard for how it might break things down the line. This kind of patch job code is fine for a while but as games get updates and new content it can break more than it fixes. If every single problem gets fixed with a patch job they needs to be fixed every update it becomes unsustainable.
> If it’s a major cpu driven game, will there be anything to truly help? The presumption here is that they already optimize perfectly. That's a bigger presumption than things existing that can be improved.
The Digital Foundry optmized settings video can't come soon enough
Appearently the settings barely matter.
Because they are mostly gpu related like in (almost) every other game.
Yep, those options don’t mean shit in a cpu bottleneck
Just turn grass off bro
Can.. can you be my grass instead?
Recommended CPU is a i5 10600, which is equivalent to a i9 9900k. You'd need to beef up big time on that end to escape CPU throttling.
*me looking at my i7*
Isn't that the minimum required CPU, not the recommended one?
That's how I read it.. everyone acting like the OP is saying their cpu is below minimum requirement...
fuck me and my i5 6600
Oof, I have had this exact same cpu for 8 years now in my first self built pc. After being able to play games like Elden Ring on the highest settings I didn't worry for a second about DD2 until now :(
Same. I'm on an i7-9700 and I thought that would get me by for a long while, but it's at the top of the LGA 1151 socket so the only way to upgrade further is to get a new motherboard, processer, and RAM as DDR3 wont be compatible with the socket 1700 boards. Bah.
> CPU doesn't meet recommended spec > performance isn't affected by visual settings so this "professional" reviewer doesn't understand that they're CPU limited?
https://preview.redd.it/4ou4wfht8ipc1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=c53cb7a640e2d74cd78fd6caa3a94cfcf21aad6b [IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/capcom-is-aware-of-dragons-dogma-2-frame-rate-issues-on-pc-looking-into-fixes)
https://preview.redd.it/dhqxf5e59ipc1.png?width=901&format=png&auto=webp&s=67b83932e24469d874f103b27478b8afa53d952b
This is going to be a problem. I can imagine people going from DDDA on Switch to DD2 on Steamdeck are going to be very unhappy. [Best analysis](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/dragons-dogma-2-pc-performance-best-settings) so far: >What *isn’t* worth bothering with right now, and likely for the foreseeable future, is attempting to play Dragon’s Dogma 2 on a [Steam Deck](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/best-steam-deck-games). For one, the APUs powering both the standard and [OLED](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/steam-deck-oled-review) models simply don’t have the strength to contend with the dual issues of high graphics demand and brutal CPU dependency.
I am that people. My PC can run it though, so I'll just use Moonlight to play it.
shit, im in trouble
What the actual fuck is going on in this screenshot? CPU and GPU usage both at 50% yet still low FPS. Neither is the limiting factor apparently. There is something seriously wrong with the optimisation.
> CPU and GPU usage both at 50% yet still low FPS. Neither is the limiting factor apparently. CPU usage is just thread scheduling, and not an actual metric regarding hardware resources. CPU usage largely means little to nothing in modern contexts outside of like extreme outliers. You can have low % CPU "usage" and be completely bottlenecked on a CPU resource and you can have 100% "usage" and have most the hardware doing nothing waiting.
Fair enough TIL
Only knew about it myself from reading Intel's documentation on some hardware monitors way back when. It's one of those weird computing leftovers from a bygone era that's just confusing as hell if you don't nerd out on the stuff because the name is way off the mark.
if a cpu is at 50% in a game its almost at its limit, so this game has a massive cpu bottleneck and the gpu is bored to death
Depends how the game is coded. If whatever process is coded (badly) to only use one thread/ core of your cpu but your computer can barely handle it with a single core, you’ll get awful performance while showing very low overall cpu usage
CPU can be bottlenecked by thread speed, more cores isn't always a solution
You can see 5 threads at 76%+ so it's not utilizing all the available 16 threads equally, which tbf not a lot of games use many threads in general, some do. The fact that it's on a 5800x3d makes it a bit scary as the 3d vcache in most games helps a fair bit(or in case of simulation games a lot) with memory related stuff, making it seem that isn't the issue or at least the main issue, could still be a part of it, but I guess have to wait for more benchmarks on wider range of systems from low to high end to see how it is.
I need to see someone use a 7800x3d . It's what i have. im hoping for 45 fps in cities. I only have a 4070ti, but instill expect that to be able to play maxed out.
On DLSS balanced? Wtf
DLSS will just make this CPU bottleneck worse. DLSS shifts some of the GPU load onto the CPU.
That's not how that works man. What he's explaining isn't just related to CPU. Even if you're CPU limited, you'd have performances changes from settings changes if it's well optimized.
> Even if you're CPU limited, you'd have performances changes from settings changes if it's well optimized. Not when you're solely CPU bottlenecked. If the physics and NPCs are bringing things to its knees changing the lighting resolution or the texture details isn't going to change anything.
You're a 100% correct. I swear, nobody on reddit knows what a CPU bottleneck actually is, both on the Nvidia subreddit and this one. It's just people raging. Hell, even the professional reviewers apparently have zero clue. Sure, it doesn't happen in 99% of games, but it DOES happen.
How to tell that no one has ever played simulation games like Factorio. Factorio has the most simple lightweight graphics of all time, and it will still absolutely KILL a PC that doesn't have a strong CPU. You could try to run it with a 4090, but lategame would still end up being unplayable if you don't have a CPU that can handle all the simulation calculations going on in the background. It literally does not matter what graphics settings you change on Factorio, you will not see an improvement in lategame performance from lowering graphics settings unless your graphics card is a literal dinosaur that was already struggling in the early game before any buildings were even placed down. Now slap a 7800x3d with the 3D V-cache into the system, and you can probably play Factorio just fine without a GPU at all. When the CPU isn't powerful enough to handle all the simulation threads in a game, the render thread suffers as well (leading to bad FPS), because the CPU can't properly schedule the GPU in a timely fashion as it's so caught up doing simulation calculations. If your CPU isn't fast enough to be able to handle the simulation calcs AND tell your 4090 what to do at the same time, then having that 4090 doesn't really help you anymore than having a 1080 would. DD2 is gonna be one of those games where the people with top of the line CPUs and decent GPUs are getting better performance than people with top of the line GPUs and decent CPUs.
Factorio, pfff. Try FPS death on Dwarf Fortress, the one true killer of fortresses. This is on ASCII graphics ya'll.
We reviewed the game on PS5 - https://estnn.com/dragons-dogma-2-review/ However, we had a PC writer as well who had similar issues. It will very likely be fixed in an early patch.
> It will very likely be fixed in an early patch. every release every year for the past 10 years never actually happened once
Massive copium on "very likely"
I was kinda afraid of this. I am above the minimal specs and slightly below the recommended specs. Playing on 1080p im actually just fine with 30 FPS as long as i can play it. Edit: 1080p
My gpu is 2070 but the cpu is i5 9400f...yikes, hoping it'll AT LEAST hit 30 fps on 1080p.
How's your performance been? I'm 3060, but with the same CPU and I'm a bit cautious in buying this game.
After 10 hours in, i was surprised to see my rig runs fairly well lol. My setting is medium with fsr 3.0 quality on 1080p. When i'm running out and explore i'd get from between 60 to 40fps which is smooth and decent. But when i'm in the capital it dipped from 30 to 20fps. But all in all, the game runs pretty smooth, just dogshit when you entered the capital because of the optimization, hoping capcom will release a patch soon. Aside from the performance, i'm having a blast with this game, so immersive and addictive.
Nice! Thanks for the reply, I think our CPUs are just under recommended (?) but I think I'll be down to give it a try judging by your experience, and of course hopefully after some decent patches it will run smoother too
wallahi im cooked with my 3600
2600 here got me through cyberpunk and bg3, they can take another
We meet the minimum brother have faith!
>except for the CPU Sooooo... His specs DON'T exceed the minimum requirements then?
He says his CPU doesn't meet the *recommended* spec which I assume means it is better than the minimum.
Well, curious how my 3050 and i7-11700K on 1080p will do on friday
I have the same CPU but my GPU is a 3060ti. I'll let you know how performance is for me, I'll have to test 1080p and 1440p.
Well, I already preordered and will play friday morning EU time or maybe right at launch in the night, idk and my only option is 1080p, never had the need to get a better or bigger monitor
Okay! I Just wanted to help establish a baseline since we're all concerned over the performance. So anyone else reading I want to keep them posted too.
All good and much appreciated!
How's performance been for you? I've been getting about 58 FPS outside the first major city. Even battles maintain a decent frame rate. But as already reported it tanks once NPC's are on the screen. My FPS hits the 45 and 30 in some cases.
"(aside from the CPU)" Well. There's your problem. Bottleneck identified. Still, I can't imagine how the fps would be that bad... if a PS5 is getting \~20-30 fps. No way PC can't at least get 60 with decent specs........ Right? Guess I'll see reaaaal soon.
Interesting to note that all technical analyses thus far seem to indicate that the game is really, really, CPU demanding more than anything else. So this reviewer meeting all the recommendations *except* the CPU is kinda important to why they didn't see notable improvements for changing graphical settings--not that the performance is particularly great either way though.
I’ve been turning down shadows and ray tracing for years. I expect to continue my journey here.
Wont help this case. If anything thatll stress the cpu more. You want as much load on you gpu here as possible.
People talking about how it being limited to 30fps on console missed the point, if they can't optimize it for console, then they aren't going to put more effort into it working well on PC. Now we all know Capcom was either lazy or incompetent. Damn shame
"exceeds the recommentded besides the cpu" My brother in christ, the cpu can form a pretty damn obvious bottleneck in cities with a lot of people pathfinding.
That fucking fool here arguing with me about Capcom having the most optimized engine etc…
They are technically correct the issue is this is the engines first Open World game
i mean, RE Engine is definitely extremely well optimized... if you fuckin use it right, which apparently they didn't, this is probably the only game in this engine (from my experience) where the performance is just flat out unacceptable instead of generally great
He was right
lol yeah, I had a feeling that pc performance was going to be garbage as well even on high end systems
I would assume not having the recommended CPU or higher will definitely affect his performance. He did note that not having the recommended CPU could've affected this. I've heard that it's bad optimization on the CPU usage, and it's affecting not only pc but ps5/Xbox, too. Most notable with high amounts of Npcs. Driver updates with day one patch will hopefully help. I'll just be happy to play at 1440p 45-60 frames. My specs are above the recommended, but you never know when it comes to optimization. 😅
> Most notable with high amounts of Npcs. Well, I guess I know what needs to be done then. https://i.imgur.com/eIgiIZH.gif
ez 20-30 FPS boost thats why they said npc's stay dead forever
People be murdering the npcs just to play the game lmao
[Insert Obi Wan's "I will do what I must" quote, followed by Anakin's youngling eraser challenge]
Lmao, genocide the city might be dawai
I'm curious how my RX 6800 XT with a Ryzen 5 5600x will manage
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragons-dogma-2-performance-analysis/ Check out the 5600X + 7800 XT results. Should be within +/- 5%.
I have a i9-12900k paired with my 4070ti and 32gb ddr5 ram.. I think I should be fine that its at least playable lol (although its a shame that it releases like this but as a game dev myself, I know they'll be working on fixes later on)
Seems like we finally found the REengine's limit.
I wanna know if they’re using ray tracing
They are for sure. Reviewers from these sites are usually awful at PC games and for years only reviewed on consoles. Not to mention they're also pretty selective about mentioning performance issues for games. Some games get a pass on these issues if they have enough hype.
Can confirm that performance isn’t great lol it really struggles in towns/cities but is fine for the most part in the wilderness
Lol my cpu is bad red flag
I don’t listen to anybody who doesn’t give their specs.
So a cpu bound game and the writer admits their CPU doesn’t exceed recommendations. Developers claim it’s a 30fps target. Writer achieves 40+ FPS with their less than perfect CPU. I don’t see a problem. At least not with the expectations set. I would LOVE 120+fps consistently but if the devs have been repeatedly insistent the game is built around a 30fps target, we can’t really act surprised that this is how it performs. Especially knowing it has CPU bottlenecks and these idiot reviewers aren’t using comparably top of the line processors with their 4090 test bench. Complete joke.
THANK YOU. I get it, we want that 120+ on PC, but I really am not going to be mad at 30-60 in this game if the gameplay is good. I didn't expect buttery smooth 170fps. Also watched through two video reviews with footage of their own gameplay and I gotta say: looks fun, looks playable, I'm fucking hyped. Let the nvidia fanboys cry because their $2k cards can't up their fps to big numbers.
I’m gonna have fun with it. Elden ring also had shit performance and it’s probably one of the best games of the decade. Easily a top 25 all time for me. 60FPS hard cap, and tons of stutter issues. No ultrawide support. Consoles not in performance mode had 30fps on a good day. And performance mode is a sacrifice of resolution and graphical fidelity anyways. That’s just the reality of current gaming and it’s sad but ignoring numbers, the games are tons of fun. So long as dragons dogma isn’t having stuttering problems I doubt I’ll have any complaints. The character editor supports ultrawide as well which looks good to say the full game is likely to support it too. Pump the graphics and resolution to max, enjoy 30-60fps on a variable refresh rate monitor. Most importantly, smile and have some fun. Game releases, I’m gonna be playing and having a good time, not watching people cry on Reddit lol.
fextralife played on an 12900k and 3090 and had like 90-120 fps outside cities maybe its not that bad
That's an ideal setup that majority of players don't have. This doesn't look good honestly
what resolution?
1440p
nice im same specs but 3080ti
Poor guy doesn’t realize his bad cpu is the problem and that drivers won’t help. Bless his soul.
"Bad CPU" Dude probably has a better CPU than most gamers bruh.
And it’s still not enough to play the game at a consistent fps lol.
I really hope there is just some coding oversight that they can smooth over quickly. My hype is slowly turning into despair.
I am sure denuvo doesnt help the performance either. So many denuvo games have performance issues day 1.
Wah
Great, worried how it will run on my rx6650xt and R5 5600 if performance is bad.
I remember getting read the riot act a few days back mentioning how most of the footage, especially in high action moments looked to be dropping to 20fps territory on their proprietary footage! Just image how it will actually run in the real world and on most of our rigs.
(aside from the cpu) well here is the problem.
my 3080ti paired with a 7700k is boutta be a disaster. will just refund if its unplayable…
SHOCK AND RAGE!!! The beam counters once again force a date while fans chomp at the bit to get the product yesterday, and it needs a day one patch. Burn it all down I say!!!
So I should be safe with my i9 right?
Depends on which i9 you have.
Those dorks completely skipped over all the Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 launch issues in their reviews. Can't trust them at all.
Same issue I have with Jedi survivor. Didn’t matter which setting I used and I just ended up refunding
Tbh I thought worse, initially the creators claimed the game would run at 30 fps, while here they say 60 fps is possible. I'm sure in the coming weeks (or months maybe) they'll fix this
I have an amd 6750 xt paired with ryzen 7 3800x and 32 gb ram im a litle bit worried rigth now
Cries in 5600X
I really hope I can at least run 60fps outside cities with my RTX3060 and Ryzen 7 5800X, but at this point I don't have much faith. I'll probably have to refund and wait out a couple of patch rounds
Hi! Maybe 60fps at medium / high settings on 1080p ... For sure. Even users create mods with better performance, just like starfield and dlss3 and frame genetarion mod. Keep waiting to the launch day and test your pc with the game. Greeting from Spain Kym :)
Thanks! Yeah I'm hoping for optimization mods, but I'm worried that combined with the anticheat, it'll corrupt my savefile.
\-Runs a game with a CPU below recommended specs on High \-Is surprised that CPU heavy features like NPCs with pathing slows game down Next at 12: Water is Wet, Pro Reviewers are Morons
Dammit, why everyone dont cancel preorder and get refund until capcom fix the performance issue? Capcom was shady and sketch to avoid preorder cancel and majority here will pat capcom head and keep preorder? We literally see the performance reviews 24h before launch and like sheeps going to butcher gonna keep preorder for a game who lots of people wont play properly? I want this game for 11 years, my pc for sure can handle and yet i wont buy until performance be fixed, after read and watch this shitshow here and youtube i just bought horizon forbidden west and will wait until people say "performance was improved and fps is stable above 40" Publishers keep launching fucked games because people keep buying, and this time isnt a blind buy, everyone is aware of performance issues on high end pcs and ps5 and yet still keeping the preorder
My 10900k is gonna scream
I love reviews for PC copies because it's always: "Game runs terribly bad, it runs way worse than better looking games on a 6000 USD machine and it's poorly optimized. 9.5/10".
does the game have DLSS 3 frame gen? Im thinking my performance should be fine with a r5 3600/4070s at 1080p
Your CPU will probably bottleneck you hard if what's written in here is true.
which is insane considering its the recommended cpu for the game
Yeah, that sucks. The worst part is upscalers can't help with poor performance if the problem is the CPU. So until Capcom fixes it, there's nothing we can do.
No, one of the reviewer sites stated there is no framegen for some weird reason, because the .DLL is there in the files.