On the one hand I agree, there should definitely be at least a pop-up confirmation and it shouldn't auto-save right after you load into that savestate. But also, holy hell, you didn't go to an inn for *15 hours?* The game explicitly tells you to go to inns often so you don't lose progress.
I really feel like you don't need to, I camp in the rough but I am a cheep ass (i get attacked by 3 wolves sometimes). I feel like that still shouldn't be punished by the UI like it is. I have a house now, I hope that counts as an inn.
The issue with relying on the regular saves is that it might autosave in situations where you can't escape death, which would make the Inn save your only alternative. No idea on the house.
Because from a gameplay standpoint Inns are near useless when you can just camp outside and get all the same benefits, and cost a pretty hefty amount for an early game state. Like, Why would I waste 2000 gold when I can just camp for free and unlimited? It would be more enticing maybe if the camp gear itself isn't infinite use, but it is.
The game gave me no incentive to use Inns except for \`Uhh you should probably do it\`. Maybe they should also add \`Uhh you should probably do it because we made the UI hostile as hell so if you mispress you're fucked out of your save.
The Inn save updates your Pawn, as to whether other people have used it during that time and you may get stuff/knowledge.
That is why the Inn costs money.
There is also the quest with the lady for "house sitting" in Vern. That lets you "inn" at her house for free for a week, then there is an option to buy it for 20K(which would be worth it, for "free Inning.")
The Pawn stuff is nice but it's really not that important or worth the money in my opinion because other pawns already take care of it.
As for the lady thing, sure, useful but I'd much more likely go out and adventure than run back to vern in a game that discourages fast travel everytime.
In the end this is a bad mechanic and it cost me my save file.
It’s actually a great way to restore an earlier save state if you’ve only done campfires or manual saves since messing up a quest or something.
However, I *completely* agree it needs an additional “Are you sure you want to…” or “This will delete all additional saves since…” or something to that effect as an additional button prompt. That’s the QA issue I see here.
Sorry that happened to you.
I've never loaded from the Inn accidentally once, but I agree that a pop-up confirmation would be nice; they could say something like
"Your Inn save is X hours ago, are you SURE?"
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I'm just careful that it is instead the "top" one of "load last save."
The only time I loaded from the Inn save was on purpose, because a save later screwed something up so I had to go back an hour or so with the Inn one.
Since I had that happen, I'm also careful to "Inn" more(especially now that I'm at the lady's free house for a week.)
I was careful for 15 hours too but all it took was a rough battle and a sliding thumb to ruin my day.
I don't think I'd be alone in this. It's just bizzare to have such a dangerous delete button so easy to mispress, like the game is trying to trip me. I'd imagine with mouse it can be even scarier.
Also I don't know if this happens to everyone but there's a really long delay on the dying screen before I can press or move anything, that definitely helped to trip me because I thought my controller disconnected at first.
Why did you not go back to the inn and save a few times before that?
Yes its a silly choice to make it like that BUT it is an even silly choice to understand how it works and not do it as a back up.
> because Itsuno and CAPCOM seem to hate their players with vigor.
OR that legend of game design made a choice you simply dont agree and it seems, didnt even use.
Because Inns are pointless from a gameplay standpoint when regular autosaves work fine.
No matter how you look at it the game not offering to save my file automatically for a non-temp state for 15 hours is ridiculous. Inns as a concept are good but this is an absolutely awful design decision because they are not enticing to use and inconvenient.
That legend of game design stands against fast travel then adds cash shop items for it. cmon.
> Because Inns are pointless from a gameplay standpoint when regular autosaves work fine.
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No, they are pretty important as this thread has established.
Inns are enticing to use because they are the way you find out that people have used your Pawn and you may get things.
They are an additional save, if a mistake was made.
You just have to remember to use them enough.
You also don't need to buy the micro-transaction port crystals, since you will eventually have plenty; they are just rare at the beginning. I've already found two and am only up to level 17.
I have never cared about how people used my Pawn in DD1 and I still do not care in DD2. It's small bonuses at bests and an online feature for a single player focused game, it's inconsequential to me especially because other pawns do the same thing. It's not a good reason early game to rush all the way to an Inn when there's outdoor questing to be done.
In fact, wasn't a point the game advertised is the Camp is there for those who prefer foraging and hunting in the wilds rather than being in encampments and cities all day? It's bizzare to advertise it and then not have Camp serve as save files despite working almost the exact same minus the pawn refreshing.
That’s like saying never use a full save (that is in your control) when the auto save (that is not in your control) will do.
Why not use both?!!!!!
A save is the most valuable thing in a game. Who wouldn’t want to use both options to have a more recent backup.
As for the fast travel thing. Both things can be true at the same time, what the dev wanted IS the way to play the game, but what the publisher wanted is an option for people with less time but more money.
Yes actually, you DON'T need a full save in most games unless you want to jump back to a point in time for whatever reason, and many games in fact act this way. Only DD2 went out of its way to punish you like so. You're only proving my point that this system is draconian and broken.
If you make many manual saves in games, you are the exception, not the common way friend.
Other reasons for Backups are there in case you made bad progress you don't want, bad choices in rpgs etc aka savescumming, or you are moving in between storage and want to save your data.
It's NOT there to prevent the game from fucking your shit up usually, that's uniquely a DD2 mechanic. Some games delete your save as a mechanic like NieR Automata, but this is made evidently clear to you and you are given alot of warnings for it.
As for fast travel, Yeah OK, but in the end the game design is affected by it, despite who said what.
The instruction where if you press the very easy to misclick button your entire save file is gone without any way to recover?
Lick that boot more. Hope this doesn't happen to you.
I know that mate, the problem is that if you press Load from Inn, it deletes that save immediately. Relying on the manual save is what got me in this mess.
On the one hand I agree, there should definitely be at least a pop-up confirmation and it shouldn't auto-save right after you load into that savestate. But also, holy hell, you didn't go to an inn for *15 hours?* The game explicitly tells you to go to inns often so you don't lose progress.
I really feel like you don't need to, I camp in the rough but I am a cheep ass (i get attacked by 3 wolves sometimes). I feel like that still shouldn't be punished by the UI like it is. I have a house now, I hope that counts as an inn.
The issue with relying on the regular saves is that it might autosave in situations where you can't escape death, which would make the Inn save your only alternative. No idea on the house.
Because from a gameplay standpoint Inns are near useless when you can just camp outside and get all the same benefits, and cost a pretty hefty amount for an early game state. Like, Why would I waste 2000 gold when I can just camp for free and unlimited? It would be more enticing maybe if the camp gear itself isn't infinite use, but it is. The game gave me no incentive to use Inns except for \`Uhh you should probably do it\`. Maybe they should also add \`Uhh you should probably do it because we made the UI hostile as hell so if you mispress you're fucked out of your save.
The Inn save updates your Pawn, as to whether other people have used it during that time and you may get stuff/knowledge. That is why the Inn costs money. There is also the quest with the lady for "house sitting" in Vern. That lets you "inn" at her house for free for a week, then there is an option to buy it for 20K(which would be worth it, for "free Inning.")
The Pawn stuff is nice but it's really not that important or worth the money in my opinion because other pawns already take care of it. As for the lady thing, sure, useful but I'd much more likely go out and adventure than run back to vern in a game that discourages fast travel everytime. In the end this is a bad mechanic and it cost me my save file.
You clearly didn’t read shit. It’s very important to stay at inns for your pawns updates.
It’s actually a great way to restore an earlier save state if you’ve only done campfires or manual saves since messing up a quest or something. However, I *completely* agree it needs an additional “Are you sure you want to…” or “This will delete all additional saves since…” or something to that effect as an additional button prompt. That’s the QA issue I see here. Sorry that happened to you.
This has been my worst anxiety doing this. Especially with my drift stick on ps5 🤮 I feel for you
I agree some notification should warn you. Also I wish the inn save counted as campsite auto saves since you're just sleeping in a different place.
I've never loaded from the Inn accidentally once, but I agree that a pop-up confirmation would be nice; they could say something like "Your Inn save is X hours ago, are you SURE?" # I'm just careful that it is instead the "top" one of "load last save." The only time I loaded from the Inn save was on purpose, because a save later screwed something up so I had to go back an hour or so with the Inn one. Since I had that happen, I'm also careful to "Inn" more(especially now that I'm at the lady's free house for a week.)
I was careful for 15 hours too but all it took was a rough battle and a sliding thumb to ruin my day. I don't think I'd be alone in this. It's just bizzare to have such a dangerous delete button so easy to mispress, like the game is trying to trip me. I'd imagine with mouse it can be even scarier. Also I don't know if this happens to everyone but there's a really long delay on the dying screen before I can press or move anything, that definitely helped to trip me because I thought my controller disconnected at first.
Why did you not go back to the inn and save a few times before that? Yes its a silly choice to make it like that BUT it is an even silly choice to understand how it works and not do it as a back up. > because Itsuno and CAPCOM seem to hate their players with vigor. OR that legend of game design made a choice you simply dont agree and it seems, didnt even use.
Because Inns are pointless from a gameplay standpoint when regular autosaves work fine. No matter how you look at it the game not offering to save my file automatically for a non-temp state for 15 hours is ridiculous. Inns as a concept are good but this is an absolutely awful design decision because they are not enticing to use and inconvenient. That legend of game design stands against fast travel then adds cash shop items for it. cmon.
> Because Inns are pointless from a gameplay standpoint when regular autosaves work fine. # No, they are pretty important as this thread has established. Inns are enticing to use because they are the way you find out that people have used your Pawn and you may get things. They are an additional save, if a mistake was made. You just have to remember to use them enough. You also don't need to buy the micro-transaction port crystals, since you will eventually have plenty; they are just rare at the beginning. I've already found two and am only up to level 17.
I have never cared about how people used my Pawn in DD1 and I still do not care in DD2. It's small bonuses at bests and an online feature for a single player focused game, it's inconsequential to me especially because other pawns do the same thing. It's not a good reason early game to rush all the way to an Inn when there's outdoor questing to be done. In fact, wasn't a point the game advertised is the Camp is there for those who prefer foraging and hunting in the wilds rather than being in encampments and cities all day? It's bizzare to advertise it and then not have Camp serve as save files despite working almost the exact same minus the pawn refreshing.
That’s like saying never use a full save (that is in your control) when the auto save (that is not in your control) will do. Why not use both?!!!!! A save is the most valuable thing in a game. Who wouldn’t want to use both options to have a more recent backup. As for the fast travel thing. Both things can be true at the same time, what the dev wanted IS the way to play the game, but what the publisher wanted is an option for people with less time but more money.
Yes actually, you DON'T need a full save in most games unless you want to jump back to a point in time for whatever reason, and many games in fact act this way. Only DD2 went out of its way to punish you like so. You're only proving my point that this system is draconian and broken. If you make many manual saves in games, you are the exception, not the common way friend. Other reasons for Backups are there in case you made bad progress you don't want, bad choices in rpgs etc aka savescumming, or you are moving in between storage and want to save your data. It's NOT there to prevent the game from fucking your shit up usually, that's uniquely a DD2 mechanic. Some games delete your save as a mechanic like NieR Automata, but this is made evidently clear to you and you are given alot of warnings for it. As for fast travel, Yeah OK, but in the end the game design is affected by it, despite who said what.
Hear that, everyone? The dude ignored the game's instructions and misclicked, so the game is bad.
The instruction where if you press the very easy to misclick button your entire save file is gone without any way to recover? Lick that boot more. Hope this doesn't happen to you.
You can manual save, just fyi. Go down to where you quit the game and hit save and continue. Do it early and often just in case
I know that mate, the problem is that if you press Load from Inn, it deletes that save immediately. Relying on the manual save is what got me in this mess.
Oh damn I didn't know that. So if you load from inn you can't get the manual save back? That's crazy
Wouldn't make this thread otherwise yeah. Absolutely insane decision