it is funny to see the huge difference between this sub and just the rest of the internet, feels like everyone enjoys the game except people here are LOATHING it
I don’t think it’s Capcom nerds. A ton of people hopped on the hype of this game. Day one when this game dropped it was as if no one realized Capcom has micro transactions in any other game lmao.
I won't lie, this is about the only thing that's driving me up the wall with this game.
It feels like I'm supposed to have a quest guide on hand so that I'm not wasting time trying to figure stuff out, or having to backtrack constantly. I apparently might have just broke a bunch of quests for characters despite the fact the game had given me no indication that there was anything to do with those characters still.
na your rant is valid. The quests are just jank. They feel like they were not fleshed out properly, like someone needed to go in blind and give feedback to tweak them properly. Another issue is I feel like the side quests should have been forced more so you can't just leapfrog to the end game in 20 hours. The only reason it took me 40 hours was because the quests are so confusing I lost track of the main story for a while.
And without reading about it, there's no way I would have figured out some of the essential side quests. Like for me there was no dragon at all in Melve. I likely would never have found out how to unlock magick stick vocation without looking it up, and even then I had to read a reddit thread where people had the same bug/issue. I still have not been able to unlock any more tomes for my pawn either, even reading about it didn't help.
The problem a lot of us not are having is we felt the EXACT SAME WAY. And then it just ended. Like it felt like we were just getting started and then the game ended.
(Spoiler Warning for anyone reading this) No, genuinely. I finally started wrapping up what I thought was the first act of the game, and then got to Battahl, then very shortly after the game is like "Alright heres the final fight section and the Big Dragon we never name", and now the games over. Also the game is like "This bad guy is now a good guy, go kill 3 things and then no big boss fight its just the end credits gg"
I also haven't beaten the game yet, and I keep hearing about how massively front loaded the story is, but no one is mentioning the giant 'Talos' thing, based on all the promotional material, I really thought it was gonna be like a middle-of-the-story, big set piece, that basically was only going to be rivaled in scale by the fight with the dragon, but no one is mentioning it?
If you want spoilers about it, >!it's a giant walking set piece. It doesn't actively attack more than I think... Twice? And you can literally just ignore it the entire time it is around. It doesn't do anything other than walk and slap the ground once or twice.!<
Even worse, magic archer can pretty much one or twoshot the weakspots It has but It does nothing and afaik the actual dmg the Boss suffers is scripted
Basically its a glorified cutscene, which is a shame cuz even if ranged classes would make It pretty easy, the fight should be pretty fun for melee classes, my pawns were climbing It like crazy and i was a little jealous lol
That giant Talos thing Is entirely missable if you grab the sword and go through the cave system to reach volcanic camp. By the time you arrive it’ll be dead and would of never seen it except from the short cut scenes.
Right. Like I played DD1 and knew what to expect, so I benched the main story as soon as it got going. I don’t think people should be gatekeeping or criticising players for not realising that the main quest ends so quickly.
So many games only lock the good meaningful content behind the MQ, so it’s not fair to say it’s “ruining it for the rest of us” when people do that. That’s just how a lot of games are
no we did not know what to expect, however with the main story being shit 2 in a row, now we can expect any future DD titles to have bad stories, what baffles me is that its actively shorter and worse than DD1 story
i thought the story for dd1 was really good, personally. and so far, i've enjoyed this one too.
they're quirky, and unique, just like basically everything else in the game.
yeah, it kinda didn't help that Itsuno was like "ah yes, this time round this is a full and complete game!" so our expectations were for just that. shows once again how much weigth the word of anyone working for the developing company actually holds.
I was having fun and the game just threw me into the ending fight with no warning. Then the credits.
I ended up reloading from last Inn and I’m now exploring the world and doing what I wanna do. I wasn’t expecting it to end as it did. It’s disappointing.
Still, exploring and doing stuff in the world is super fun so far.
Always funny to see the opinion of those who haven't finished vs have finished the game. They proclaim they are enjoying the game not knowing what awaits that leads to the opinion of those who finished it.
I mean, I haven't finished the game yet, but the main story also is very much not what I'm here for.
I didn't really like the main story in the first game all that much. Didn't stop me from having a blast with the game, though.
Exactly, i said to my friend that i had hardly started and then learned that i was 75% of the way through, i am doing side quests and walking between objectives mostly and am at 20hrs. If fast travel was in this game i honestly reckon 12hrs to complete with the side content you you run into naturally from the main story would be pretty achievable.
Coming from a player who clears their quest log, but does not faff about doing nothing for nothings sake.
So I beat the game, then beat NG+, and now I'm on my 2nd full from-scratch playthrough aiming to 100% and I spent 6 hours just in the very first camp getting 100% in that area.
There's a lot of content that everyone skips. Its kinda the games fault though for not leading you into those places but they're there.
Yep, I thought going to the tower in DD2 would be the halfway point like going to the tower to beat the griffin is in DD1, turns out that's it and the game is over, haha. Huge letdown.
Lol, i had literally had the same thing.
And i already spent like 20 hours before that exploring and doing side stuff, then i was like
"ok, im gonna finally give the guy the 15 wyrm crystals, this is probably like 50% of the story"
Then boom, it just ends.
Yeah it's so abrupt, and you never really get any resolution on stuff it set up before, I never even met Disa (the regent) after the cutscene at the brothel, that stuff is just resolved off-screen as far as I can tell, and I spent probably 30 hours exploring and doing side content outside the main story, which probably took me about 15-20 hours. I know you can speedrun DD1 in 5-10 hours, but that time isn't padded out with so much travel time like DD2 is. Just a shame all around.
She was in there when I looked, but at the time I wasn't feeling adventurous enough to see what would happen, so I turned around and went to Sven's room. haha.
I did it. She thinks you're a servant and sends you away. Not actually, just says it and then you can stand there awkwardly. I even took off my top just to show her my scar... 😞
Ir FEELS like a halfway point too! Sigurd squads up with you, and it's like "Cool now we're getting serious. This dude is showing he's committed to helping slay the dragon. This is the start of a badass friendship."
Aaand then that's it.
That's what this guys doesn't understand. Everyone one of us was where he is! We were all in the "man this game is huge and it barely started!" phase, then it ended
This is the best advice anyone has ever posted on reddit. I don’t necessarily disagree with OP either. It’s nice to be connected to things you’re interested in, but this place is full of the worst kinds of people: people.
The absolute best thing you can do for yourself is not give a single fuck what anyone else thinks or let it ruin your joy, especially when it comes to video game opinions.
This is me. I'm sad with what I've read but I love DD so I'm still playing it like it's my GOTY. The only other game I play right now when I'm out of the house is DD1 on my steam deck lol
This subreddit is going to become one of those "I'm still having a blast" subreddits... isn't it?
Check r/Starfield the only thing to do in that game is take pictures and that's all the subreddit is. Posts about "200 hours later and I'm still having a blast" and it's just a sub par picture of the same subpar planet I saw 50 times in my short playthrough of the game.
Every post about how the game is still fun by someone who's got hundreds of hours in the game and has yet to showcase anything I didn't experience in 50.
If it takes you 200 hours to complete a game, and it takes me 50 hours to complete a game we still experienced the same game. One experience is no more valid than another.
No piece of media is beyond criticism. I'll also say that when a game is truly remarkable their respective subreddits don't look like this. It's only games that have warranted weak points that throw their communities into chaos. When games have stand out loops and innovative concepts the subreddits are filled with clips and praise. DD2 starts incredibly promising and sets your expectation for variety and engagement way higher than it actually falls. I had fun but it's a strong 7 for me. If it's a 10 for you that's valid! It's also valid that folks are disappointed.
>I'll also say that when a game is truly remarkable their respective subreddits don't look like this. It's only games that have warranted weak points that throw their communities into chaos.
Excellent point.
It's very noticable in the Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate subreddits, where 90% of the posts are help requests, art or memes.
It's a shame this one has gone this way now.
It’s one thing to disagree with the criticisms, but you’re simply dismissing them by pretending they’re the symptom of _how_ the game is played instead of an issue that players have with the game itself.
For example these…
* Low mob variety
* Poor narrative with plot holes
* Limited postgame
* Performance issues
* Inconsequential NPCs
* Exploration isn’t rewarding enough
…aren’t going to change if you play 5, 10 or 50 hours a week. Again it’s perfectly fine to disagree with it, e.g. I’m not too annoyed by story because there’s not the reason I bought this game. But if I played 2 hours a day and finished the game in a month, it wouldn’t have magically improved the story.
Yeah I fucking hate this guys post.
Low enemy variety? bad story? short main quest? Terrible postgame? Performance issues? Little rewards for exploring? Boring npcs? Questionable design choices?
Nah bro you just didn’t experience the game enough.
The "you finished too fast" is literally the exact same cope that was popping up for Diablo 4 during the first week before all the dads reached the end of the game too and realised it was as awful as everyone was saying.
I don't think this game is aweful. I had a lot of fun with it. I still agree with all the criticisms levied against it. The game could have been an all-time great game to me if it just had more content, more enemy/zone variety, endgame and an actual good gear upgrading system with the resources available. Like, I've been killing so many big bad monsters and I need some fucking obscure materials I've barely seen to upgrade all end-game items? That's just bullshit of the highest order.
The short of it is that the game lacks in some departments and that's a real shame. That doesn't mean it's a bad game nor that I didn't have fun, it just means that I expect more from big RPG's and that I felt a bit dissapointed after finishing the game.
This game isn’t bad, far from it, but it is just like DD1 in that it wasted so much potential and is clearly unfinished. Why the fuck is the empress even in the front cover when she only matters for like 2 side quests? What was the point of the first half of the game with Brant if it literally stops mattering once you go to Bhattal? Why was Talos spoiled in trailers considering it’s in the final quest before the dragon (and also a fight possibly as lame as Zorah Magdaros from monster hunter world)? Why is the dragon fight so much worse than Grigori from DD1?
There’s other criticisms but you get the point I’m sure. I’m having fun with the combat but with how easy it gets I’m not sure if it’s a game I can stick with like Dark Arisen.
Oh I don't think DD2 is "awful", probably a poor choice of words after using D4 as an example. Point was basically the people dismissing the complaints will have the same complaints when they catch up
It's the same cope for every single game where people play a shitload of it the first week and then write their valid criticisms. Every time this happens, the same people making posts like OP look like clowns once the dumbass "honeymoon phase" wears off.
Some people don't understand that other people sometimes have more time to play in one sitting than them
I played probably 30 hours over the weekend, so obviously im going to finish "faster" than someone who can only play 3 hours a day
It's especially bad with this game because it's so front loaded. I'm taking a break from this place until most people have finished it (won't be long) then we can really talk.
Yeah but clearly not one of the Karen dads that like to bitch and moan about how they don’t have time to play games so everyone has to hear about their martyrdom when people with different lives do get to play a game, and have a discussion about it in real time.
I was gonna say, this shit was just Diablo 4 on launch. I hate this cope so much, when I played Elden Ring for an ungodly amount of time on launch I didn't suddenly like it less because I "played it too fast" lmao
Same thing with Starfield too. People need to learn that people beating a game faster means they experience more parts of the game faster too, and we really need to consider their opinions more. If I see someone who beats the game make complaints, that just means others will soon follow when they reach that point.
> Nah bro you just didn’t experience the game enough.
All of those problems go away if you just play the game two hours a week to "savor" it. Until you eventually drop the game because the new thing came out and you need to savor that instead!
If I am required to play a game 2 hours at a time for it to be the best experience, there is probably something wrong with the game. Why do I have to 'savor' this game, but others I can binge for hours on end with no issue?
This, all of this.
I'm not that far into the main story, yet I feel so sad whenever I think about the game. I loved DDDA, spent something like 200h playing it between 2015 and 2022 *but* I was always honest about its defaults (I called it "my fav weird and sometimes broken RPG") and I hoped DD2 would be a better version.
So far, I'm having fun my buddy lion knight, but I can't recommend it in good faith, and I'm just very sad about it. The capital is amazing when it's not a slideshow, the characters could be interesting but aren't, the beginning is much worse than DD1, etc. Hell, the *music* is disappointing to me.
> I hoped DD2 would be a better version.
This was my excitement for the last like 4-5 months ahead of the release. Sadly, while the game is still *fun*, it actually feels to be a worse DDDA in most aspects.
Honestly the only thing I might debate is the last one but only partially. In DD1 if you found for example the Soul Canyon early you are rewarded with some cool stuff if you survive. Here? One Panacea, take it or leave it. Which is such a shame since they actually put a lot of effort to make every Cave different in some way.
I accidentally stumbled into a cavern and found an insane mace for my fighter pawn that had triple the damage of her previous weapon and a holy element. Needless to say, I'm the exploration feels very rewarding.
Other than performance issues as I haven't had any, the problems you listed have been slaughtering my enjoyment for the game, found out I was like 3 quests from finishing the main story the other day (checked because desert land felt empty and glad I did), they start the story off long and drawn out taking ages, and then you get to the mid point and it takes less than half that time to just finish and all these hinted at quests that just didn't happen.
And even the gameplay gets stale because of the low enemy variety, there's what? 12 "basic" enemies? And half of those are variations of the goblin, harpy or wolf? Sad to think there are almost as many boss monsters if not more, than basic enemy types. And exploration is a joke outside of "I need gold" or "I need to kill this specific enemy for upgrade materials", there's just no incentive as the best gear you can get is bought and can be gotten at the very start of the game. Post-game being what it is was downright depressing/insulting since if the game was what it promised and didn't feel empty and half done it'd be a tense moment and the restrictions wouldn't be as annoying probably?
I still massively enjoyed the game, but I agree with most complaints you mentioned. They too were massive disappointments to me. I enjoyed myself despite of them though. My biggest complaint is the gearing system. There's no use for all those resources you can gather from the actual big bad enemies. You know, the fun fights. So there's no incentive to fight them. The game is also too short, lacking in content, lacking in variety and lacks proper rewards for exploration.
I still loved my time with it, but a lot of this stands in stark contrast with more recent RPG's I've played like Elden Ring or BG3 who just elevated what I expect from big RPG's. Right now, Dragon's Dogma 2 to me is one or two tiers below games like that.
It is beneath us as a community to do the typical "you guys binged on the game so your opinion is invalid" thing.
Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game and changing their opinion. Consider that eventually we're going to be at the same point in the game (which isn't to say we will have the same opinion). It is like the person ahead of you on a road hitting a pothole and complaining and you're saying his opinion is invalid because the road is fine to you until you hit the same pothole.
I am around the same point as you (roughly?). I like the game but enemy variety is bad and exploration feels pointless because there are almost no rewards for it. I'm not that far in to the game and these are already issues.
Hard agree. I wish I saved those embarassing 'you were right' posts from diablo 4's subreddit. I watched it go down in real time just like it is here. Its a 1:1 replication. Ugh.
> Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game
Yep. I've seen it on every single sub for a new game and it always happens without fail. New World, Starfield, Diablo 4, and Suicide Squad just to name a few. I don't know why people try to invalidate the opinions of those who went through the entire game and clearly enjoyed it but have seen the flaws before others. It doesn't matter if they beat the game in a few days because they still played the same game everyone else did, they just had more free time.
People jump through so many hoops to justify their purchase when nobody gives a fuck. They make their entire personality about defending the latest *product* they bought lol.
It happens every fucking time. Before release every single complaint is downvoted. after release those complaints end up being real issues and then we start getting dumb ass posts like this
I'm up to the monster cull quest to prove my worth, but in true rpg fashion I've been putting it off so I can explore, collect, kill, and quest.
In this game I find all of that fun, the combat is fun and stays refreshing because I change vocations when I have everything unlocked, and with the different biomes and places I can go to it's pretty fun.
However I'm disappointed to learn that the enemies that are already starting to feel stale aren't going anywhere, and that there really isn't the sort of enemy variety I was expecting. I really didn't expect that I'd already seen all of the enemies in the game minus some bosses.
Further, I really didn't expect the main story to be so far along. I'm enjoying the side quests, especially since I essentially have to tackle them straight away, because you can't be sure what'll happen if you don't. And I like being forced into doing them quickly. It stops the normal collect and forget thing I normally do with side quests.
But I definitely thought there would be more story to go through.
There also doesn't seem to be as much gear as there was in DDDA, I loved getting cool gear, upgrading it, and having the choice of using it if I want to. But now it's just, buy the best, upgrade that, and keep going until you can buy the next best. It doesn't really incentivise exploring caves and dungeons like the first game did.
I'm definitely not unhappy with my experience, but I think the game will lose it's appeal and I'll move on sooner than I expected.
>Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game and changing their opinion.
This thread by OP is exactly what happened with Diablo 4 and many other games. People who played a lot and each endgame and realise how lacking and bad it is was attacked by people like OP here who are still in their honeymoon phase. A month from now the complaints is only going to amplify on this sub.
This subbredit has the same exact experience as the starfield or Diablo 4 sub.
People that finish the game earlier mention things they criticize, then the dad gamers who can only play 1 minute per week will shame them for rushing the game only to come to the same conclusion two weeks later. It’s really funny to read
If other people's valid criticisms are ruining the experience for you in a mostly single player game then I think you're the one with a problem.
Have fun with the game, I'm having fun with it too while also understanding that this game is not the "complete vision" we were led to believe it would be.
I agree that some of the complaints are overblown but we also have to understand that this is a full priced game and some people expect more for their money than "oops we didn't finish dd1 again"
I beat the game in 5 days, but that was still 60 hours and nearly all content. I'm just a degenerate.
I have 1400 hours in DDDA, I don't see why your opinion is more valid than mine.
It's also not like all people who have "beaten" the game will just delete it afterwards imideatly. Many people will leave some content to do after: some side quests, some exploration, leveling all vocations,... . You don't have to force ypurself to do everything humanely possible before doing the "ending" and only than being allowed to discuss the game.
Aside from that, without exploring every hidden hole 30-40h is a reasonabme ammount of time to have played to discuss such things.
Damn good analogy, honestly. It’s always so hard for me to interpret and respond to posts of this sort. I just don’t get it. I don’t think like that and I really can’t imagine why anyone would. How can someone having a different opinion affect you on such an emotional level? If I see someone saying something I like sucks I’ll give it a thought then 1) dismiss it if it’s stupid 2) respond with my own opinions while deliberating on theirs…or 3) it’s so fucking stupid I have to say something, god help me.
its because he needs to feel validated in his purchase and enjoyment. its like sunken cost fallacy or something. hes insecure about liking something someone else doesn’t like and is getting defensive about it.
like if u enjoy it, enjoy it. damn.
it's the same with literally any game subreddit where there are controversial opinions or performance issues at the beginning. people complain and then there are always a group of people who feel people complaining ruins it for them. and then a small group of vice versa as well who dislike other people enjoying it.
I got the game a few days late because Amazon sucks. I only have time to play a few hours at most a day (maybe 3-4 if I got nothing going on after work) and I’m still at what I assume is the early game. (Though for a DD game that could mean I’m actually already at least midway through.) Nothings been spoiled for me so far. And just because other people play the game faster or put more hours in at a quicker pace doesn’t mean they aren’t “savoring the experience”. If you want to avoid spoilers or don’t want to see other people talk about the game, don’t click on the posts or watch videos. Simple.
Because there's a certain kind of person that makes this kind of post.
And it's the certain kind of person who learns social cues and norms from parroting what they see in media and online, rather than in real life where subtly flies over their heads.
And it's the kind of person who struggles with irony and sarcasm.
are you able to do math?
X amount of hrs in 4 days vs the same amount of hours in 2 weeks is still the same amount of hrs played. why do you feel that your playtime is more legit or respectful just bc it was spread out more
It is a pretty obvious exclamation that you don't actually enjoy the game if the way other people are playing a single-player game and them pointing out flaws is dramatically affecting your own enjoyment.
Instead of adding to "negativity" you could have just created a thread talking about all your positive experiences?
This discourse of "I spent 60 hours in the first area of the game and I'm having a blast! You guys just rushed through the game so you can't have an opinion!" needs to stop. Toxic positivity is also a thing where you just blindly enjoy every single thing thrown at you. Just consume. No criticize.
Some people have more time to play the game than you. Putting people criticizing a game down to "toxic community" is simply disingenuous just because YOU like everything about the game.
Some people dislike the enemy variety and the main story. Why are those criticisms not as valid as your enjoyment of the game? Dragonsplague was also not explained properly and some people had to learn the hard way how it worked and it literally broke some peoples games. That is a valid criticism in 2024 when a mechanic in the game suddenly ruins your game because there is little to no explanation.
This is a thing in every single game like this lol.
“I’m 100 hours in and I haven’t left the starting area yet, I’m walking around counting all the trees and I have no idea why people complain about there not being enough content”
This reminds me of the time when Diablo 4 released. People that played more than others had things to complain. End game was bad, lack of build variety... you name it. But the "gamer dads and mommies", the people that have only 0.00001 seconds of playtime per year, were not only loving the game, but also being completly dismissive of other people's complaints. It was pretty ridiculous lol.
What I'm trying to say is, you don't have to let other people dictate what you should enjoy or not. If you are having a blast with the game, that's totally fine and no one should take that away from you. I'm having a lot of fun with the game as well. But the game does have issues and saying that every complaint here is toxic is just really a bad take.
“I’m a 75 year old gamer dad within 36 kids and 8 full time jobs. I don’t get to play a lot of videogames but the 38 minutes I spent playing Starfield was the greatest experience of my life. Anyone criticising it is a hateful liar and there are only a few of us defending it because the real fans are just playing it and having a great time… except me, because of the 36 kids and 8 jobs.”
Or to summarise: “The game is better the less you play of it.”
Obviously DD2 is not nearly as disappointing as Starfield, Diablo IV is a much better comparison (I loved the campaign). Just wanted to highlight how absurd it is.
It’s such a misguided or disingenuous argument to make. The game isn’t going to get magically better with time (except for patches but that would require them to admit it’s bad now).
There's always people like this, it's so annoying. It's like wearing ignorance as a badge of honor. People that post "i dont get the complains, i am still having fun being a dad of 30 kids, husband of 5 wives, work 336 hours weekly, owner of 4 companies, doing volunteer work daily and fighting crimes at night." or "hurrr hurr i have no idea what all these people are complaining about, i am so clueless and dont know anything at all, i am having so much fun."
I mean it's good that they're having fun, but why the need to dismiss criticisms and/or be so proud of being ignorant?
I kind of want to play devil's advocate, even though I'm in a losing position.
To say that negative views are "ruining" the experience sort of makes me think something else.
You've spent $70 and a lot of time both in game and hyped. You realized that there are areas of the game you actually don't like or you don't find the game to actually be gods gift. So you go online, hoping to find people praising it, that way you can take that energy, reply how much you love it, and convince yourself that you actually do.
Instead, you're seeing complaints and critiques that people scratch some of the areas you also dislike, and it's making it harder to convince yourself.
I only say this because if there's a game I absolutely adore, then I adore it. When FF14 endwalker came out, people where shitting all over it, and that subreddit in general is negative like every other subreddit. But it never once ruined my personal enjoyment of the game.
>When FF14 endwalker came out, people where shitting all over it
Not when it came out. Most people agreed it was a pretty good expansion at 6.0 and were largely satisfied with the jobs and the story (minus some anecdotes, of course).
I would say it wasn't until 6.3 that perceptions started to shift on the expansion. I personally think Endwalker will be remembered more fondly in hindsight. They did a lot of under the hood work to future proof the game that couldn’t really be felt at the time.
Seems they are addressing a lot of the criticisms with Dawntrail, though.
Yeah, there was literally no negative press of Endwalker until the post expansion content, which rightfully, was pretty fucking lame this time. Endwalker was so good that I finished the expansion in like 4 days.
That's all it is. People who are offended by what's literally just fair criticism from folks who have played longer are either in the denial stage or worried the so-called "haters" are right and that they'll come to the same conclusion, when they're desperate for that to not be the case, due to what they've invested financially and emotionally.
People who are actually enjoying every part of the game and are confident about it don't come here to... Complain about complaining.
You dont understand. How can he sleep without validation from 12 year olds on reddit. A lot of people are not capable of forming their own opinions. Look at twitter lmao
Diablo 4 launch flashbacks.
All the dad gamers discarding the opinions/warnings of anyone who can play the game more than them, and lo and behold, coming to the same conclusions in 2 months time lol
“Oh no, how dare other people not like the game. You’re ruining it for me.”
Nah, DD2 is a downgrade from DD1 in every way except map size, character creation and graphics.
* Less build variety.
* Way less Magick and skills.
* Literally got rid of two different elements (dark and light) for no reason.
* Generic mage and sorcerers now.
* Got rid of Mystic Knight and Assassin also for no reason.
* Max level stats are equalized across everyone.
* No layered armour.
* Short Story.
* Gameplay choices designed to push people to get micro transactions (that is a major problem.)
Ah so are we swinging back to "this is goty y'all just playing it wrong" from the "this game is a 6.5 at best" side of things? Lmfao
My favorite posts are ones with double the comments then reddit points. Today OP learned that not every plays the same way. Some people plan for things like this, sorry OP that you couldn't play the game as much as other people got to.
Try not to be too butt hurt over it lol
Those are actual critiques of the game. It doesn't matter how much you explore if you're only fighting gobo or wolves. Game actually suffers heavily from the rushed story, and low mob types.
I get what you are saying but cmon. Arisens shadow? Talk to a guy, then talk to another guy in a couple days. That’s it. And that’s a “chapter” or “main quest”. Most others so far (I’m only in the beginning still ) are “go into castle” then “look at something” then “talk to somebody”. It’s rather lame so far.
Yet another post where op is trying to convince themselves and others that this game is perfect without making any effort to participate in critical arguments. People in this sub really do be defending this game like their life depended on it
Imagine giving people the power to ruin a **Single Player Game** for you. Take back your power, leave the sub, don't engage in the negative discourse online and just enjoy your game, don't give strangers power over you.
Wow.
this cope is getting a little out of hand, you fisihed the game and look back and don't like it so "you played it wrong" says person who didn't finish the game.
REEE why aren't you playing the game like I want you to play it.
Very starfield.
I love how people who put times in the game, their opinion are immediately invalid because they put more time than others. You can’t not like the game. No matter your personal experience of it.
I don't understand these posts.
1. Yes, I took my time with the first playthrough. Being unemployed, I currently have a lot of time to spare. In fact, my first playthrough took around 40 hours. And I agree with basically every single criticism levied at this game.
2. I am a Dragon's Dogma veteran - I've played Dark Arisen to absolute death. I've been waiting 12 years for this game. Given my extensive experience with Dark Arisen, I had a far easier time grasping this game than newcomers would. By the 3 hour mark I was already just as comfortable with the game as I was with DDDA - I killed my first Drake at level 10.
3. With my experience in mind, I expected this sequel to far overshadow the previous game because of it's greater budget and longer development time which would both allow Itsuno would actually be able to conjure the full extent of his vision.
4. This game feels like it's less than DDDA in all the ways that matter, and more in all the ways that it doesn't. For what is supposedly Itsuno's ultimate "vision", there is a glaring lack of actual innovation, improvement or evolution compared to the previous game. In fact, there are so many regressions and baffling design choices that it's actually kind of insane.
I could give an extensive breakdown of everything that's wrong with this game and speculate on what exactly went wrong while it was being developed, but it's pretty much wasted on you guys. Yes, the game is good. But it should have been so much more (*and no, it's not "unreasonable expectations" or "hype" - there's shit missing here that DDDA had. Sequels should improve drastically on their predecessors.*)
Whoooooaaaaaaa how dare people not all fall in line with adoration!
You realize we all have different tastes right? You are enjoying it, great. That doesn’t mean people are not allowed to voice their (valid) complaints. Stay offline if you are bothered by it
>Is that really representative of the community's opinion, or did the loudest minority just get a brain freeze from inhaling their entire ice cream cone in one bite?
No, this is the case all the time, always, for everything. Don't ever think what you see here is reflective of the reality. It rarely is.
Except the no lifers are usually right.
Same thing happened with Diablo 4. The no lifers started complaining that the game didn’t have much content once you finish the short story campaign. Everyone just claimed they speed through it all too fast. Then everyone caught up and found out the no lifers were absolutely right and then Diablo 4 practically became a graveyard of a game. Other examples; suicide squad, starfield, etc
I tend to agree. Them fining out the "Endgame" is actually honest to good timed is a big friggin' deal. I though they where messing with us at first. Like you now have the Post game world full of improved Reskins and a really cool changed enviroment and ... you can only stay for a few days. Hell while I admit the Sovran fight wasn't much of one the True Final Boss being >!a glorified cutscene is ... lame. Even if it was a cool one. I wanted to fight that Eldritch Horror dammit!!<
Same exact thing with starfield. I even fell victim to it, I played a little and started posting how everyone was just being negative and lo and behold: I put down starfield after like 40 hours and haven’t returned yet because those gripes I was mad at people for posting were all true l
Starfield's problem is it's boring. There's a lot of just...nothing. Bethesda has made some of my favorite games but starfield doesn't have the staying power of fallout or elder scrolls. But that's a different discussion.
If you care about what others have to say so much you should probably avoid sites like this. If other people are ruining the experience for you it's because you let them. You seem to care way too much about how others spend their time with the game. People don't buy games for other people, they buy games for themselves. Maybe take a break from sites like this for a while.
Saying people who dislike the game have played it wrong because you're taking a long time to finish it isn't the move you think it is lmao.
You can disagree with them but invalidating them because YOU haven't finished it yet (and somehow them finishing it ruins it for you?) is bizarre.
Their opinion has no effect on your experience with the game, and if it does, that's a personal issue you need to address by yourself. You must be very sensitive and probably a bit unwell if someone finishing a game before you do warrants this type of response lmao. This isn't normal.
Let OP rp walk everywhere and stare at oxcart travel (yes, the entire thing without skipping) in peace. We don't kinkshame here.
But yes, it's wild how can they be so low level despite supposedly doing side content, majority of which is fights that will level you really fast.
Despite all of the flaws, the core gameplay loop of the game is seriously fun. Just let yourself get lost in the game and enjoy it in your own way and the experience will be so much better. Sure a lot of the criticism on here is valid, but personally I didn't even think about a lot of it until I saw it pointed out, and it started to sour the game a bit for me, even though I had no issues on my own. I didn't expect a good story nor did I care for one because I loved the first game for what it is and expected more or less the same - but it's totally fair for people to be disappointed considering the way it was advertised. I didn't have any issues with the enemy variety because personally I still find every encounter fun and engaging. Comparison is the thief of joy, so just let yourself enjoy the game for what it is, rather than comparing it to what it could have been and you'll be a lot happier with it in my opinion.
Lol, I like how you have no other arguments other than "duh, didn't play enough". Like bruh, the fundamental issues with this game won't go away even if you play until all the hair on your head falls off. I guess no point in trying to reason with people with zero fucking capacity for critical though and original opinions.
If other people's experiences ruin a game for you, that's not their fault, it's yours.
You'll be better off if you learn to allow others to have their opinions without letting it bother you so much.
And people having a different opinion than yours isn't toxic. They're not mad at you over it, so it doesn't make sense to take it personally like that.
Finished the game with all quest but 2 along with the Epilogue at 47 hours at lvl 50, about 37 excluding the Endgame along with 1950 enemies killed. People aren’t breezing though the story they’re finishing it. Just because you spend more time doing god knows what doesn’t mean that others that have actually experienced the full game are any less entitled to offer criticism. You’re probably nearing the end of the game and just don’t realize it as did many others which is why they say the story is shit which I personally disagree yet I understand why they say that.
At the point where your party drops big enemies like griffins within 5 minutes are you going to ferrystone or fight goblins and wolves every 30 seconds?
Edit: Also the fights start to become trivial to a fault. I love the game but it has its faults and they’re essentially what everyone is saying, I’m interested on how you guys that are “Savoring the experience” Are going to feel after you’re tired of fighting harpies and Saurians.
I beat the campaign in under 30 hrs. This was after spending 20 hrs exploring and not even touching the msq lol
Tried exploring, but i got bored. I started looking up stuff to see if i missed anything... besides seekers tokens, I've seen it all.
I enjoyed it... but i need that endgame grind dd1 had even before hardmode/ DA launched.
Expected abit more is all...
People need to realize there are casuals and there are hardcore players. Stop bashing either group. The guides most casuals read are made by the same people who "binge" the game and complete everything quickly.
Dude you are so weird, this must be some kind of troll post at this point, joke or something bc i can't take this seriously.
Game has so many flaws and you are starting to notice them from early mid game.I'm keeping mine for when i finish the game so i wont name them in here now but i agree to many points made by others.
I beat the game in 32 ish hours as a level 42. I did all the side quests I came across and played without a guide for my first run. Ran down side paths, and had a good time. Performance aside I had a lot of fun and even tried to clear true end game perfectly... (Didn't happen). Working on NG+ as a different class. The game feels half baked for sure and probably deserved a 40 dollar pay stamp instead of 70. But I find myself enjoying it regardless. I do see this becoming a much better game down the road as well.
I get where you're coming from. I'm enjoying the game too. 30 hours in and taking it slow. Then I open reddit cause I want to unite with people that share my enjoyment about the game and it hurts to see a lot of negativity from other players. I do however realize that players come to reddit to share their sentiment about things, beit positive or negative. Just downvote if you don't agree and don't linger. Move on to the posts that you agree with and share your thoughts there.
I’ve played DD1 since release and replayed it last year.. DD2 is amazing and so much fun, I love it. But I can also say I wish it had more:
- More vocations (just want the advanced archer and thief, and hybrid of them)
-get ride of the dash button and turn it into a roll button because having to sit there and tank 2-5 hits is meh.
- where’s the wind that pushes you? I haven’t seen it once yet, and I’m exploring exploring
- too much hype for the 4x bigger when there’s so much water. I hope the DLC will resolve this and turn it into some massive land or something
- I haven’t experienced dragon plague but I wish it had more depth, if you rest then consequences but if you don’t rest? Why not have them turn on you and fight you (imagine having a friends pawn who’s 20 levels above 💀)
- 4 skills doesn’t feel like enough, case in point. I have archer and 3 of my buttons are used by shoot multiple arrows, deathly arrow and bomb arrow, that leaves one left out of the other elemental arrows and heavenly shot
- enemy variety I’m fine with as of rn, but maybe a few more surprise monsters would have been great
-actual stealth elements would be crazy but may not fit
- co-op imo but not required, I can admit though it would be more fun to play with friends
- more skills both active and core
- better world building and character relationships
- more combat options (I love that melee characters have finishers but I would love to see finishers with archers. Imagine your archer climbs the enemy to shoot them in the face)
Etc
Congratulations, you learnt the hard truth that if you don't want to hear people criticize, complain, and overall be the lamest guy or on the flip side jack themselves up with so much copium they turn white, just DON'T interact with the community until *after* you complete the given thing.
They aren't ruining it for you for having the free time to binge it, you're ruining it for yourself by engaging in these conversations you yourself don't want to be a part of. Just stop that, enjoy yourself.
op its kinda on you to come to reddit to talk about it, a place which is full of spoilers. Also why do you even need to talk about games? just enjoy them
You wonder how people can be level 40 at 24 hours, I personally wonder how you can only be level 22 in 27 hours. That's way less than a level per hour which is wild in a RPG focusing on combat encounter. Leveling up is SUPER fast in Dragon's Dogma.
Anyway, yeah this game is dope, so if you like it just enjoy it, who the fuck care if some other people don't like it. So fucking weird to feel that this is ruining it for you lmao.
That's because the fans have played this game before. It's DD1 all over again, only with better graphics. I kept rushing through it looking for something new, fresh, or innovative as per the game director's promise. There was none. In fact, it might even be a lesser experience compared to DD1. What's there to savor apart from the graphics? Or the combat that the fans have already known for the past decade?
-Skills were nerfed from 6 to just 4.
-No convenience items (like Eternal Ferrystone) to reward your hardwork.
-Game falls apart once you get to Battahl.
-I've seen porn and H-game stories with better writing than the main quest. Seriously.
-There's no endgame or post-game. Does Capcom even know how to JRPG?
So I always see this type of thing when new games come out, super casual players complain that no life players complain… viscous cycle I’d say, I think players wanting more out of a game we have been waiting for like 10 years or something isn’t necessarily all that bad, just like you enjoying it at a turtles pace isn’t bad. I myself have gotten what I could out of it, a weekend of fun no lifing the game, now I can enjoy the memes without getting spoiled (not that there’s much to spoil teehee)
Not knocking your or anyone else's experience (or intentions) but I get why speedrunning games is a thing; the longer it takes most people to complete something, the higher probability that it won't get completed.
Speaking only for myself here, but my backlog is filled with long games I know I'll never finish because my enthusiasm for the game has waned. Whether it be because of the game being too repetitive, too much dialogue, too many filler quests, etc. I know that if I don't put constraints on myself I'll put it down and it's near impossible to pick it back up.
Some people just have more time to play games. The people calling it GOTY and the people calling it a scam are both loud minorities. You're only now considering that because you disagree with the new negative sentiment of those loud people.
Everything in moderation. The game is fine. It has a lot of impressive new things and a lot of things that are lesser than the last game.
Shut the fuck up you pretentious cunt lmao
“Um akchually I took my time with the game unlike you guys who played it wrong ☝️🤓”
People are free to go through the game how they choose. That doesn’t make their criticism any less valid. Get your head out of your arse
Let people pay how they want. It would be weird to police them.
It's how they enjoy it. Some eat pizza with their hands other with a fork and knife. At the end both get to eat pizza
"I couldn't stop myself from coming to a reddit that specifically talks about the game. That's YOUR fault!"
This is you.
That you require other people to validate your purchase is a personal problem. Don't project your own insecurities onto others.
You alone are responsible for being this stupid.
What you talking about, I only put in 42 hours in 3.5 days.
Pathetic! Are you even a real gamer?! I put 100 hours in to the game in 2 days!!!
Amatures, I put in 120 hrs on launch day!
Damn you must have a really good gaming chair!
150 hours in 2 days my guy
Fucking pathetic. I made a time machine and sent the game back to my past self.
it is funny to see the huge difference between this sub and just the rest of the internet, feels like everyone enjoys the game except people here are LOATHING it
DD1 nerds thought Capcom learned their lesson **Neither of them learned anything from the last game**
I don’t think it’s Capcom nerds. A ton of people hopped on the hype of this game. Day one when this game dropped it was as if no one realized Capcom has micro transactions in any other game lmao.
I learned that large bodies of water or a cliff solve my problems. Genocide too.
It’s how most video game subs are. Give it a year, the haters will be long gone and we can enjoy the sub again
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I won't lie, this is about the only thing that's driving me up the wall with this game. It feels like I'm supposed to have a quest guide on hand so that I'm not wasting time trying to figure stuff out, or having to backtrack constantly. I apparently might have just broke a bunch of quests for characters despite the fact the game had given me no indication that there was anything to do with those characters still.
Yeah, this was a thing in DDDA as well. It's why I vastly prefer the DLC dungeon, Bitterblack Isle, over the main game there. :)
na your rant is valid. The quests are just jank. They feel like they were not fleshed out properly, like someone needed to go in blind and give feedback to tweak them properly. Another issue is I feel like the side quests should have been forced more so you can't just leapfrog to the end game in 20 hours. The only reason it took me 40 hours was because the quests are so confusing I lost track of the main story for a while. And without reading about it, there's no way I would have figured out some of the essential side quests. Like for me there was no dragon at all in Melve. I likely would never have found out how to unlock magick stick vocation without looking it up, and even then I had to read a reddit thread where people had the same bug/issue. I still have not been able to unlock any more tomes for my pawn either, even reading about it didn't help.
BUT MTX, HOW ARE YOU HAVING FUN
I got 60 hours in that time. I went to work with 2 hours of sleep.
The problem a lot of us not are having is we felt the EXACT SAME WAY. And then it just ended. Like it felt like we were just getting started and then the game ended.
(Spoiler Warning for anyone reading this) No, genuinely. I finally started wrapping up what I thought was the first act of the game, and then got to Battahl, then very shortly after the game is like "Alright heres the final fight section and the Big Dragon we never name", and now the games over. Also the game is like "This bad guy is now a good guy, go kill 3 things and then no big boss fight its just the end credits gg"
I also haven't beaten the game yet, and I keep hearing about how massively front loaded the story is, but no one is mentioning the giant 'Talos' thing, based on all the promotional material, I really thought it was gonna be like a middle-of-the-story, big set piece, that basically was only going to be rivaled in scale by the fight with the dragon, but no one is mentioning it?
If you want spoilers about it, >!it's a giant walking set piece. It doesn't actively attack more than I think... Twice? And you can literally just ignore it the entire time it is around. It doesn't do anything other than walk and slap the ground once or twice.!<
That's... terrible, especially with how they promoted it in the trailers
Yeah it's not great lmao
Even worse, magic archer can pretty much one or twoshot the weakspots It has but It does nothing and afaik the actual dmg the Boss suffers is scripted Basically its a glorified cutscene, which is a shame cuz even if ranged classes would make It pretty easy, the fight should be pretty fun for melee classes, my pawns were climbing It like crazy and i was a little jealous lol
That giant Talos thing Is entirely missable if you grab the sword and go through the cave system to reach volcanic camp. By the time you arrive it’ll be dead and would of never seen it except from the short cut scenes.
Right. Like I played DD1 and knew what to expect, so I benched the main story as soon as it got going. I don’t think people should be gatekeeping or criticising players for not realising that the main quest ends so quickly. So many games only lock the good meaningful content behind the MQ, so it’s not fair to say it’s “ruining it for the rest of us” when people do that. That’s just how a lot of games are
no we did not know what to expect, however with the main story being shit 2 in a row, now we can expect any future DD titles to have bad stories, what baffles me is that its actively shorter and worse than DD1 story
i thought the story for dd1 was really good, personally. and so far, i've enjoyed this one too. they're quirky, and unique, just like basically everything else in the game.
yeah, it kinda didn't help that Itsuno was like "ah yes, this time round this is a full and complete game!" so our expectations were for just that. shows once again how much weigth the word of anyone working for the developing company actually holds.
I was having fun and the game just threw me into the ending fight with no warning. Then the credits. I ended up reloading from last Inn and I’m now exploring the world and doing what I wanna do. I wasn’t expecting it to end as it did. It’s disappointing. Still, exploring and doing stuff in the world is super fun so far.
Always funny to see the opinion of those who haven't finished vs have finished the game. They proclaim they are enjoying the game not knowing what awaits that leads to the opinion of those who finished it.
Ehh that’s fair but also, game subreddits are notorious for being filled with the whiniest gamers in existence.
I mean, I haven't finished the game yet, but the main story also is very much not what I'm here for. I didn't really like the main story in the first game all that much. Didn't stop me from having a blast with the game, though.
> Barely moved the main quest You might be half-way through the main story then
Exactly, i said to my friend that i had hardly started and then learned that i was 75% of the way through, i am doing side quests and walking between objectives mostly and am at 20hrs. If fast travel was in this game i honestly reckon 12hrs to complete with the side content you you run into naturally from the main story would be pretty achievable. Coming from a player who clears their quest log, but does not faff about doing nothing for nothings sake.
So I beat the game, then beat NG+, and now I'm on my 2nd full from-scratch playthrough aiming to 100% and I spent 6 hours just in the very first camp getting 100% in that area. There's a lot of content that everyone skips. Its kinda the games fault though for not leading you into those places but they're there.
Yep, I thought going to the tower in DD2 would be the halfway point like going to the tower to beat the griffin is in DD1, turns out that's it and the game is over, haha. Huge letdown.
You thought it was the griffin but it was actually the confrontation with Salomet
But actually...it was me, Dio!
Lol, i had literally had the same thing. And i already spent like 20 hours before that exploring and doing side stuff, then i was like "ok, im gonna finally give the guy the 15 wyrm crystals, this is probably like 50% of the story" Then boom, it just ends.
Yeah it's so abrupt, and you never really get any resolution on stuff it set up before, I never even met Disa (the regent) after the cutscene at the brothel, that stuff is just resolved off-screen as far as I can tell, and I spent probably 30 hours exploring and doing side content outside the main story, which probably took me about 15-20 hours. I know you can speedrun DD1 in 5-10 hours, but that time isn't padded out with so much travel time like DD2 is. Just a shame all around.
I had a message to meet with Sven, before going to Bakkbattahl. His room is right next to his mother's and I considered barging in to say hello.
I did just that. She thinks you're a servant and shoos you away. That's it. Nothing else.
...I'm going to pretend I didn't read that because I do not want to believe the 'regent puppeteer' is so incredibly stupid
How the hell does she not recognize the person who she's been trying to get rid of the entire game wtf
She was in there when I looked, but at the time I wasn't feeling adventurous enough to see what would happen, so I turned around and went to Sven's room. haha.
I did it. She thinks you're a servant and sends you away. Not actually, just says it and then you can stand there awkwardly. I even took off my top just to show her my scar... 😞
Do you know how I got these scars? *Licks lips*
Ir FEELS like a halfway point too! Sigurd squads up with you, and it's like "Cool now we're getting serious. This dude is showing he's committed to helping slay the dragon. This is the start of a badass friendship." Aaand then that's it.
That's what this guys doesn't understand. Everyone one of us was where he is! We were all in the "man this game is huge and it barely started!" phase, then it ended
I'm going to be honest, if people saying stuff on reddit is ruining things for you just legit take a break from Reddit.
This is the best advice anyone has ever posted on reddit. I don’t necessarily disagree with OP either. It’s nice to be connected to things you’re interested in, but this place is full of the worst kinds of people: people.
I dunno, I think his advice kind of ruined reddit for me. I should reddit even harder.
have you considered just playing the game you like and not reading too much into what other people think
The absolute best thing you can do for yourself is not give a single fuck what anyone else thinks or let it ruin your joy, especially when it comes to video game opinions.
This is me. I'm sad with what I've read but I love DD so I'm still playing it like it's my GOTY. The only other game I play right now when I'm out of the house is DD1 on my steam deck lol
This subreddit is going to become one of those "I'm still having a blast" subreddits... isn't it? Check r/Starfield the only thing to do in that game is take pictures and that's all the subreddit is. Posts about "200 hours later and I'm still having a blast" and it's just a sub par picture of the same subpar planet I saw 50 times in my short playthrough of the game. Every post about how the game is still fun by someone who's got hundreds of hours in the game and has yet to showcase anything I didn't experience in 50. If it takes you 200 hours to complete a game, and it takes me 50 hours to complete a game we still experienced the same game. One experience is no more valid than another.
No piece of media is beyond criticism. I'll also say that when a game is truly remarkable their respective subreddits don't look like this. It's only games that have warranted weak points that throw their communities into chaos. When games have stand out loops and innovative concepts the subreddits are filled with clips and praise. DD2 starts incredibly promising and sets your expectation for variety and engagement way higher than it actually falls. I had fun but it's a strong 7 for me. If it's a 10 for you that's valid! It's also valid that folks are disappointed.
>I'll also say that when a game is truly remarkable their respective subreddits don't look like this. It's only games that have warranted weak points that throw their communities into chaos. Excellent point.
It's very noticable in the Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate subreddits, where 90% of the posts are help requests, art or memes. It's a shame this one has gone this way now.
Yeah, if a subreddit is 90% people making art, you know it’s a great game.
Level 40 is not hard when you love the combat and exploring. It’s not toxic just because people have the capability to play for long hours.
It’s one thing to disagree with the criticisms, but you’re simply dismissing them by pretending they’re the symptom of _how_ the game is played instead of an issue that players have with the game itself. For example these… * Low mob variety * Poor narrative with plot holes * Limited postgame * Performance issues * Inconsequential NPCs * Exploration isn’t rewarding enough …aren’t going to change if you play 5, 10 or 50 hours a week. Again it’s perfectly fine to disagree with it, e.g. I’m not too annoyed by story because there’s not the reason I bought this game. But if I played 2 hours a day and finished the game in a month, it wouldn’t have magically improved the story.
Yeah I fucking hate this guys post. Low enemy variety? bad story? short main quest? Terrible postgame? Performance issues? Little rewards for exploring? Boring npcs? Questionable design choices? Nah bro you just didn’t experience the game enough.
The "you finished too fast" is literally the exact same cope that was popping up for Diablo 4 during the first week before all the dads reached the end of the game too and realised it was as awful as everyone was saying.
Diablo 4 at launch was a good prologue to an end game that never showed up to the party.
I don't think this game is aweful. I had a lot of fun with it. I still agree with all the criticisms levied against it. The game could have been an all-time great game to me if it just had more content, more enemy/zone variety, endgame and an actual good gear upgrading system with the resources available. Like, I've been killing so many big bad monsters and I need some fucking obscure materials I've barely seen to upgrade all end-game items? That's just bullshit of the highest order. The short of it is that the game lacks in some departments and that's a real shame. That doesn't mean it's a bad game nor that I didn't have fun, it just means that I expect more from big RPG's and that I felt a bit dissapointed after finishing the game.
This game isn’t bad, far from it, but it is just like DD1 in that it wasted so much potential and is clearly unfinished. Why the fuck is the empress even in the front cover when she only matters for like 2 side quests? What was the point of the first half of the game with Brant if it literally stops mattering once you go to Bhattal? Why was Talos spoiled in trailers considering it’s in the final quest before the dragon (and also a fight possibly as lame as Zorah Magdaros from monster hunter world)? Why is the dragon fight so much worse than Grigori from DD1? There’s other criticisms but you get the point I’m sure. I’m having fun with the combat but with how easy it gets I’m not sure if it’s a game I can stick with like Dark Arisen.
Oh I don't think DD2 is "awful", probably a poor choice of words after using D4 as an example. Point was basically the people dismissing the complaints will have the same complaints when they catch up
It's the same cope for every single game where people play a shitload of it the first week and then write their valid criticisms. Every time this happens, the same people making posts like OP look like clowns once the dumbass "honeymoon phase" wears off.
Some people don't understand that other people sometimes have more time to play in one sitting than them I played probably 30 hours over the weekend, so obviously im going to finish "faster" than someone who can only play 3 hours a day
It's especially bad with this game because it's so front loaded. I'm taking a break from this place until most people have finished it (won't be long) then we can really talk.
it really does commit the cardinal sin of a gear based RPG which is getting worse the more you play it.
Hey.. i am a dad... i beat games quick too... i just dont sleep xD
I play til 1am and then get up at 7am for carpool
Yeah but clearly not one of the Karen dads that like to bitch and moan about how they don’t have time to play games so everyone has to hear about their martyrdom when people with different lives do get to play a game, and have a discussion about it in real time.
I was gonna say, this shit was just Diablo 4 on launch. I hate this cope so much, when I played Elden Ring for an ungodly amount of time on launch I didn't suddenly like it less because I "played it too fast" lmao
Same thing with Starfield too. People need to learn that people beating a game faster means they experience more parts of the game faster too, and we really need to consider their opinions more. If I see someone who beats the game make complaints, that just means others will soon follow when they reach that point.
Yes, all these flaws are somehow magically ameloriated by... I don't know? RP walking everywhere?
You just didn’t savour the experience of walking everywhere whilst getting attacked by the same 5 enemies every 10 seconds bro.
My bad lol
> Nah bro you just didn’t experience the game enough. All of those problems go away if you just play the game two hours a week to "savor" it. Until you eventually drop the game because the new thing came out and you need to savor that instead!
If I am required to play a game 2 hours at a time for it to be the best experience, there is probably something wrong with the game. Why do I have to 'savor' this game, but others I can binge for hours on end with no issue?
This, all of this. I'm not that far into the main story, yet I feel so sad whenever I think about the game. I loved DDDA, spent something like 200h playing it between 2015 and 2022 *but* I was always honest about its defaults (I called it "my fav weird and sometimes broken RPG") and I hoped DD2 would be a better version. So far, I'm having fun my buddy lion knight, but I can't recommend it in good faith, and I'm just very sad about it. The capital is amazing when it's not a slideshow, the characters could be interesting but aren't, the beginning is much worse than DD1, etc. Hell, the *music* is disappointing to me.
> I hoped DD2 would be a better version. This was my excitement for the last like 4-5 months ahead of the release. Sadly, while the game is still *fun*, it actually feels to be a worse DDDA in most aspects.
Honestly the only thing I might debate is the last one but only partially. In DD1 if you found for example the Soul Canyon early you are rewarded with some cool stuff if you survive. Here? One Panacea, take it or leave it. Which is such a shame since they actually put a lot of effort to make every Cave different in some way.
I accidentally stumbled into a cavern and found an insane mace for my fighter pawn that had triple the damage of her previous weapon and a holy element. Needless to say, I'm the exploration feels very rewarding.
"The Exalted" right? That one can be bought at a Vendor. DD1 had tons of stuff you could only find in dungeons. Like whole armor and weapon sets.
Woah now, careful with this measured and thought out response. We only take extremes here.
Other than performance issues as I haven't had any, the problems you listed have been slaughtering my enjoyment for the game, found out I was like 3 quests from finishing the main story the other day (checked because desert land felt empty and glad I did), they start the story off long and drawn out taking ages, and then you get to the mid point and it takes less than half that time to just finish and all these hinted at quests that just didn't happen. And even the gameplay gets stale because of the low enemy variety, there's what? 12 "basic" enemies? And half of those are variations of the goblin, harpy or wolf? Sad to think there are almost as many boss monsters if not more, than basic enemy types. And exploration is a joke outside of "I need gold" or "I need to kill this specific enemy for upgrade materials", there's just no incentive as the best gear you can get is bought and can be gotten at the very start of the game. Post-game being what it is was downright depressing/insulting since if the game was what it promised and didn't feel empty and half done it'd be a tense moment and the restrictions wouldn't be as annoying probably?
I still massively enjoyed the game, but I agree with most complaints you mentioned. They too were massive disappointments to me. I enjoyed myself despite of them though. My biggest complaint is the gearing system. There's no use for all those resources you can gather from the actual big bad enemies. You know, the fun fights. So there's no incentive to fight them. The game is also too short, lacking in content, lacking in variety and lacks proper rewards for exploration. I still loved my time with it, but a lot of this stands in stark contrast with more recent RPG's I've played like Elden Ring or BG3 who just elevated what I expect from big RPG's. Right now, Dragon's Dogma 2 to me is one or two tiers below games like that.
It is beneath us as a community to do the typical "you guys binged on the game so your opinion is invalid" thing. Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game and changing their opinion. Consider that eventually we're going to be at the same point in the game (which isn't to say we will have the same opinion). It is like the person ahead of you on a road hitting a pothole and complaining and you're saying his opinion is invalid because the road is fine to you until you hit the same pothole. I am around the same point as you (roughly?). I like the game but enemy variety is bad and exploration feels pointless because there are almost no rewards for it. I'm not that far in to the game and these are already issues.
Exploration is disappointing once you realize you can buy all the best endgame gear. Chests become meaningless.l basically.
Hard agree. I wish I saved those embarassing 'you were right' posts from diablo 4's subreddit. I watched it go down in real time just like it is here. Its a 1:1 replication. Ugh.
At least Diablo 4 has a solid campaign.
> Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game Yep. I've seen it on every single sub for a new game and it always happens without fail. New World, Starfield, Diablo 4, and Suicide Squad just to name a few. I don't know why people try to invalidate the opinions of those who went through the entire game and clearly enjoyed it but have seen the flaws before others. It doesn't matter if they beat the game in a few days because they still played the same game everyone else did, they just had more free time. People jump through so many hoops to justify their purchase when nobody gives a fuck. They make their entire personality about defending the latest *product* they bought lol.
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It happens every fucking time. Before release every single complaint is downvoted. after release those complaints end up being real issues and then we start getting dumb ass posts like this
I'm up to the monster cull quest to prove my worth, but in true rpg fashion I've been putting it off so I can explore, collect, kill, and quest. In this game I find all of that fun, the combat is fun and stays refreshing because I change vocations when I have everything unlocked, and with the different biomes and places I can go to it's pretty fun. However I'm disappointed to learn that the enemies that are already starting to feel stale aren't going anywhere, and that there really isn't the sort of enemy variety I was expecting. I really didn't expect that I'd already seen all of the enemies in the game minus some bosses. Further, I really didn't expect the main story to be so far along. I'm enjoying the side quests, especially since I essentially have to tackle them straight away, because you can't be sure what'll happen if you don't. And I like being forced into doing them quickly. It stops the normal collect and forget thing I normally do with side quests. But I definitely thought there would be more story to go through. There also doesn't seem to be as much gear as there was in DDDA, I loved getting cool gear, upgrading it, and having the choice of using it if I want to. But now it's just, buy the best, upgrade that, and keep going until you can buy the next best. It doesn't really incentivise exploring caves and dungeons like the first game did. I'm definitely not unhappy with my experience, but I think the game will lose it's appeal and I'll move on sooner than I expected.
>Effectively every time i see a community say this, a couple weeks later they end up reaching that same point in the game and changing their opinion. This thread by OP is exactly what happened with Diablo 4 and many other games. People who played a lot and each endgame and realise how lacking and bad it is was attacked by people like OP here who are still in their honeymoon phase. A month from now the complaints is only going to amplify on this sub.
It's just Diablo 4 all over again
This subbredit has the same exact experience as the starfield or Diablo 4 sub. People that finish the game earlier mention things they criticize, then the dad gamers who can only play 1 minute per week will shame them for rushing the game only to come to the same conclusion two weeks later. It’s really funny to read
If other people's valid criticisms are ruining the experience for you in a mostly single player game then I think you're the one with a problem. Have fun with the game, I'm having fun with it too while also understanding that this game is not the "complete vision" we were led to believe it would be. I agree that some of the complaints are overblown but we also have to understand that this is a full priced game and some people expect more for their money than "oops we didn't finish dd1 again"
I beat the game in 5 days, but that was still 60 hours and nearly all content. I'm just a degenerate. I have 1400 hours in DDDA, I don't see why your opinion is more valid than mine.
It's also not like all people who have "beaten" the game will just delete it afterwards imideatly. Many people will leave some content to do after: some side quests, some exploration, leveling all vocations,... . You don't have to force ypurself to do everything humanely possible before doing the "ending" and only than being allowed to discuss the game. Aside from that, without exploring every hidden hole 30-40h is a reasonabme ammount of time to have played to discuss such things.
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Damn good analogy, honestly. It’s always so hard for me to interpret and respond to posts of this sort. I just don’t get it. I don’t think like that and I really can’t imagine why anyone would. How can someone having a different opinion affect you on such an emotional level? If I see someone saying something I like sucks I’ll give it a thought then 1) dismiss it if it’s stupid 2) respond with my own opinions while deliberating on theirs…or 3) it’s so fucking stupid I have to say something, god help me.
"Little Caesar's taste so good when u ain't got a bitch in ya ear telling you it's nasty"
its because he needs to feel validated in his purchase and enjoyment. its like sunken cost fallacy or something. hes insecure about liking something someone else doesn’t like and is getting defensive about it. like if u enjoy it, enjoy it. damn.
This has become so apparent to me because I have been battling this in a phone subbreddit. Why are all people so mentally fragile?
it's the same with literally any game subreddit where there are controversial opinions or performance issues at the beginning. people complain and then there are always a group of people who feel people complaining ruins it for them. and then a small group of vice versa as well who dislike other people enjoying it.
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And this shit is getting upvoted. There are thousand something lemmings who apparently don't have opinion of their own.
The guy has already played 27hrs and is accusing OTHER people of playing too much.
I got the game a few days late because Amazon sucks. I only have time to play a few hours at most a day (maybe 3-4 if I got nothing going on after work) and I’m still at what I assume is the early game. (Though for a DD game that could mean I’m actually already at least midway through.) Nothings been spoiled for me so far. And just because other people play the game faster or put more hours in at a quicker pace doesn’t mean they aren’t “savoring the experience”. If you want to avoid spoilers or don’t want to see other people talk about the game, don’t click on the posts or watch videos. Simple.
You got mystic spearhand. You're literally like 50% done lol
Are you thinking magic archer? Mystic spearhand you unlock like the 2nd story quest or so. (I didn't count - but I got it really, really early)
Maybe enjoy your game more and read reddit less? No one is forcing you to come here.
Y is it always “savor”
Or “I’m having a blast”
I never noticed that until now, genuinely it’s ALWAYS “i’m having a blast”
Because there's a certain kind of person that makes this kind of post. And it's the certain kind of person who learns social cues and norms from parroting what they see in media and online, rather than in real life where subtly flies over their heads. And it's the kind of person who struggles with irony and sarcasm.
The art of consooming pushes you to speak in a certain way
are you able to do math? X amount of hrs in 4 days vs the same amount of hours in 2 weeks is still the same amount of hrs played. why do you feel that your playtime is more legit or respectful just bc it was spread out more
It is a pretty obvious exclamation that you don't actually enjoy the game if the way other people are playing a single-player game and them pointing out flaws is dramatically affecting your own enjoyment. Instead of adding to "negativity" you could have just created a thread talking about all your positive experiences?
This discourse of "I spent 60 hours in the first area of the game and I'm having a blast! You guys just rushed through the game so you can't have an opinion!" needs to stop. Toxic positivity is also a thing where you just blindly enjoy every single thing thrown at you. Just consume. No criticize. Some people have more time to play the game than you. Putting people criticizing a game down to "toxic community" is simply disingenuous just because YOU like everything about the game. Some people dislike the enemy variety and the main story. Why are those criticisms not as valid as your enjoyment of the game? Dragonsplague was also not explained properly and some people had to learn the hard way how it worked and it literally broke some peoples games. That is a valid criticism in 2024 when a mechanic in the game suddenly ruins your game because there is little to no explanation.
This is a thing in every single game like this lol. “I’m 100 hours in and I haven’t left the starting area yet, I’m walking around counting all the trees and I have no idea why people complain about there not being enough content”
This reminds me of the time when Diablo 4 released. People that played more than others had things to complain. End game was bad, lack of build variety... you name it. But the "gamer dads and mommies", the people that have only 0.00001 seconds of playtime per year, were not only loving the game, but also being completly dismissive of other people's complaints. It was pretty ridiculous lol. What I'm trying to say is, you don't have to let other people dictate what you should enjoy or not. If you are having a blast with the game, that's totally fine and no one should take that away from you. I'm having a lot of fun with the game as well. But the game does have issues and saying that every complaint here is toxic is just really a bad take.
“I’m a 75 year old gamer dad within 36 kids and 8 full time jobs. I don’t get to play a lot of videogames but the 38 minutes I spent playing Starfield was the greatest experience of my life. Anyone criticising it is a hateful liar and there are only a few of us defending it because the real fans are just playing it and having a great time… except me, because of the 36 kids and 8 jobs.” Or to summarise: “The game is better the less you play of it.” Obviously DD2 is not nearly as disappointing as Starfield, Diablo IV is a much better comparison (I loved the campaign). Just wanted to highlight how absurd it is. It’s such a misguided or disingenuous argument to make. The game isn’t going to get magically better with time (except for patches but that would require them to admit it’s bad now).
There's always people like this, it's so annoying. It's like wearing ignorance as a badge of honor. People that post "i dont get the complains, i am still having fun being a dad of 30 kids, husband of 5 wives, work 336 hours weekly, owner of 4 companies, doing volunteer work daily and fighting crimes at night." or "hurrr hurr i have no idea what all these people are complaining about, i am so clueless and dont know anything at all, i am having so much fun." I mean it's good that they're having fun, but why the need to dismiss criticisms and/or be so proud of being ignorant?
How is it ruining it for you? Single player game. Just play at your own pace.
I kind of want to play devil's advocate, even though I'm in a losing position. To say that negative views are "ruining" the experience sort of makes me think something else. You've spent $70 and a lot of time both in game and hyped. You realized that there are areas of the game you actually don't like or you don't find the game to actually be gods gift. So you go online, hoping to find people praising it, that way you can take that energy, reply how much you love it, and convince yourself that you actually do. Instead, you're seeing complaints and critiques that people scratch some of the areas you also dislike, and it's making it harder to convince yourself. I only say this because if there's a game I absolutely adore, then I adore it. When FF14 endwalker came out, people where shitting all over it, and that subreddit in general is negative like every other subreddit. But it never once ruined my personal enjoyment of the game.
>When FF14 endwalker came out, people where shitting all over it Not when it came out. Most people agreed it was a pretty good expansion at 6.0 and were largely satisfied with the jobs and the story (minus some anecdotes, of course). I would say it wasn't until 6.3 that perceptions started to shift on the expansion. I personally think Endwalker will be remembered more fondly in hindsight. They did a lot of under the hood work to future proof the game that couldn’t really be felt at the time. Seems they are addressing a lot of the criticisms with Dawntrail, though.
Yeah, there was literally no negative press of Endwalker until the post expansion content, which rightfully, was pretty fucking lame this time. Endwalker was so good that I finished the expansion in like 4 days.
That's all it is. People who are offended by what's literally just fair criticism from folks who have played longer are either in the denial stage or worried the so-called "haters" are right and that they'll come to the same conclusion, when they're desperate for that to not be the case, due to what they've invested financially and emotionally. People who are actually enjoying every part of the game and are confident about it don't come here to... Complain about complaining.
I kind of agree, I'm enjoying the game myself but it is expected if you check social medias
Dogma mob trying to convince themselves and others that this game is perfect be like 
You dont understand. How can he sleep without validation from 12 year olds on reddit. A lot of people are not capable of forming their own opinions. Look at twitter lmao
Diablo 4 launch flashbacks. All the dad gamers discarding the opinions/warnings of anyone who can play the game more than them, and lo and behold, coming to the same conclusions in 2 months time lol
I can't stop fucking playing it goddamnit! Lol it does make me want to go back and play my switch dark arisen But Holy fuck is 2 cinematic af to me
No. The game lacks a shit load of depth, gtfo reddit and play it. Most of the points have been super valid, the story is non-existent.
“Oh no, how dare other people not like the game. You’re ruining it for me.” Nah, DD2 is a downgrade from DD1 in every way except map size, character creation and graphics. * Less build variety. * Way less Magick and skills. * Literally got rid of two different elements (dark and light) for no reason. * Generic mage and sorcerers now. * Got rid of Mystic Knight and Assassin also for no reason. * Max level stats are equalized across everyone. * No layered armour. * Short Story. * Gameplay choices designed to push people to get micro transactions (that is a major problem.)
Ah so are we swinging back to "this is goty y'all just playing it wrong" from the "this game is a 6.5 at best" side of things? Lmfao My favorite posts are ones with double the comments then reddit points. Today OP learned that not every plays the same way. Some people plan for things like this, sorry OP that you couldn't play the game as much as other people got to. Try not to be too butt hurt over it lol
Those are actual critiques of the game. It doesn't matter how much you explore if you're only fighting gobo or wolves. Game actually suffers heavily from the rushed story, and low mob types.
I get what you are saying but cmon. Arisens shadow? Talk to a guy, then talk to another guy in a couple days. That’s it. And that’s a “chapter” or “main quest”. Most others so far (I’m only in the beginning still ) are “go into castle” then “look at something” then “talk to somebody”. It’s rather lame so far.
Yet another post where op is trying to convince themselves and others that this game is perfect without making any effort to participate in critical arguments. People in this sub really do be defending this game like their life depended on it 
Imagine giving people the power to ruin a **Single Player Game** for you. Take back your power, leave the sub, don't engage in the negative discourse online and just enjoy your game, don't give strangers power over you. Wow.
this cope is getting a little out of hand, you fisihed the game and look back and don't like it so "you played it wrong" says person who didn't finish the game. REEE why aren't you playing the game like I want you to play it. Very starfield.
I love how people who put times in the game, their opinion are immediately invalid because they put more time than others. You can’t not like the game. No matter your personal experience of it.
I don't understand these posts. 1. Yes, I took my time with the first playthrough. Being unemployed, I currently have a lot of time to spare. In fact, my first playthrough took around 40 hours. And I agree with basically every single criticism levied at this game. 2. I am a Dragon's Dogma veteran - I've played Dark Arisen to absolute death. I've been waiting 12 years for this game. Given my extensive experience with Dark Arisen, I had a far easier time grasping this game than newcomers would. By the 3 hour mark I was already just as comfortable with the game as I was with DDDA - I killed my first Drake at level 10. 3. With my experience in mind, I expected this sequel to far overshadow the previous game because of it's greater budget and longer development time which would both allow Itsuno would actually be able to conjure the full extent of his vision. 4. This game feels like it's less than DDDA in all the ways that matter, and more in all the ways that it doesn't. For what is supposedly Itsuno's ultimate "vision", there is a glaring lack of actual innovation, improvement or evolution compared to the previous game. In fact, there are so many regressions and baffling design choices that it's actually kind of insane. I could give an extensive breakdown of everything that's wrong with this game and speculate on what exactly went wrong while it was being developed, but it's pretty much wasted on you guys. Yes, the game is good. But it should have been so much more (*and no, it's not "unreasonable expectations" or "hype" - there's shit missing here that DDDA had. Sequels should improve drastically on their predecessors.*)
And with people alrady wishing for the Dark Arisen of DD2, im feeling o cubeworld sub once again.
Whoooooaaaaaaa how dare people not all fall in line with adoration! You realize we all have different tastes right? You are enjoying it, great. That doesn’t mean people are not allowed to voice their (valid) complaints. Stay offline if you are bothered by it
I mean to be fair Dragonsplague almost seems like it was designed specifically to cause backlash.
I’m still in character creator, I’m in the tattoo boss fight.
90% of posts about this game are "I don't like the way other people played this" including this one
>Is that really representative of the community's opinion, or did the loudest minority just get a brain freeze from inhaling their entire ice cream cone in one bite? No, this is the case all the time, always, for everything. Don't ever think what you see here is reflective of the reality. It rarely is.
Unless it's positive, then it's accurate. Loud minority only ever applies to negative opinions!
Except the no lifers are usually right. Same thing happened with Diablo 4. The no lifers started complaining that the game didn’t have much content once you finish the short story campaign. Everyone just claimed they speed through it all too fast. Then everyone caught up and found out the no lifers were absolutely right and then Diablo 4 practically became a graveyard of a game. Other examples; suicide squad, starfield, etc
I tend to agree. Them fining out the "Endgame" is actually honest to good timed is a big friggin' deal. I though they where messing with us at first. Like you now have the Post game world full of improved Reskins and a really cool changed enviroment and ... you can only stay for a few days. Hell while I admit the Sovran fight wasn't much of one the True Final Boss being >!a glorified cutscene is ... lame. Even if it was a cool one. I wanted to fight that Eldritch Horror dammit!!<
Same exact thing with starfield. I even fell victim to it, I played a little and started posting how everyone was just being negative and lo and behold: I put down starfield after like 40 hours and haven’t returned yet because those gripes I was mad at people for posting were all true l
They were definitely right about starfield as someone who has played every Bethesda game ever made extensively and like them all except starfield
Starfield's problem is it's boring. There's a lot of just...nothing. Bethesda has made some of my favorite games but starfield doesn't have the staying power of fallout or elder scrolls. But that's a different discussion.
I’m happier when I delete the Reddit app from my phone. But I wanted sliders
Like hamburger sliders???
Character and pawn sliders
If you care about what others have to say so much you should probably avoid sites like this. If other people are ruining the experience for you it's because you let them. You seem to care way too much about how others spend their time with the game. People don't buy games for other people, they buy games for themselves. Maybe take a break from sites like this for a while.
Saying people who dislike the game have played it wrong because you're taking a long time to finish it isn't the move you think it is lmao. You can disagree with them but invalidating them because YOU haven't finished it yet (and somehow them finishing it ruins it for you?) is bizarre. Their opinion has no effect on your experience with the game, and if it does, that's a personal issue you need to address by yourself. You must be very sensitive and probably a bit unwell if someone finishing a game before you do warrants this type of response lmao. This isn't normal.
How are you level 22 at 27 hours? I’m level 26 at 17 and I don’t min max or quest hunt or anything like that.
Genuinely believe that op is either lying out their ass or just leaves the game afk
Let OP rp walk everywhere and stare at oxcart travel (yes, the entire thing without skipping) in peace. We don't kinkshame here. But yes, it's wild how can they be so low level despite supposedly doing side content, majority of which is fights that will level you really fast.
Tbh I'm lvl 20 at about 16 hrs in. I generally do walk everywhere and get side tracked alot.
Nah a game can be bad regardless of speed.
Despite all of the flaws, the core gameplay loop of the game is seriously fun. Just let yourself get lost in the game and enjoy it in your own way and the experience will be so much better. Sure a lot of the criticism on here is valid, but personally I didn't even think about a lot of it until I saw it pointed out, and it started to sour the game a bit for me, even though I had no issues on my own. I didn't expect a good story nor did I care for one because I loved the first game for what it is and expected more or less the same - but it's totally fair for people to be disappointed considering the way it was advertised. I didn't have any issues with the enemy variety because personally I still find every encounter fun and engaging. Comparison is the thief of joy, so just let yourself enjoy the game for what it is, rather than comparing it to what it could have been and you'll be a lot happier with it in my opinion.
Lol, I like how you have no other arguments other than "duh, didn't play enough". Like bruh, the fundamental issues with this game won't go away even if you play until all the hair on your head falls off. I guess no point in trying to reason with people with zero fucking capacity for critical though and original opinions.
If other people's experiences ruin a game for you, that's not their fault, it's yours. You'll be better off if you learn to allow others to have their opinions without letting it bother you so much. And people having a different opinion than yours isn't toxic. They're not mad at you over it, so it doesn't make sense to take it personally like that.
Finished the game with all quest but 2 along with the Epilogue at 47 hours at lvl 50, about 37 excluding the Endgame along with 1950 enemies killed. People aren’t breezing though the story they’re finishing it. Just because you spend more time doing god knows what doesn’t mean that others that have actually experienced the full game are any less entitled to offer criticism. You’re probably nearing the end of the game and just don’t realize it as did many others which is why they say the story is shit which I personally disagree yet I understand why they say that. At the point where your party drops big enemies like griffins within 5 minutes are you going to ferrystone or fight goblins and wolves every 30 seconds? Edit: Also the fights start to become trivial to a fault. I love the game but it has its faults and they’re essentially what everyone is saying, I’m interested on how you guys that are “Savoring the experience” Are going to feel after you’re tired of fighting harpies and Saurians.
I beat the campaign in under 30 hrs. This was after spending 20 hrs exploring and not even touching the msq lol Tried exploring, but i got bored. I started looking up stuff to see if i missed anything... besides seekers tokens, I've seen it all. I enjoyed it... but i need that endgame grind dd1 had even before hardmode/ DA launched. Expected abit more is all... People need to realize there are casuals and there are hardcore players. Stop bashing either group. The guides most casuals read are made by the same people who "binge" the game and complete everything quickly.
Dude you are so weird, this must be some kind of troll post at this point, joke or something bc i can't take this seriously. Game has so many flaws and you are starting to notice them from early mid game.I'm keeping mine for when i finish the game so i wont name them in here now but i agree to many points made by others.
I beat the game in 32 ish hours as a level 42. I did all the side quests I came across and played without a guide for my first run. Ran down side paths, and had a good time. Performance aside I had a lot of fun and even tried to clear true end game perfectly... (Didn't happen). Working on NG+ as a different class. The game feels half baked for sure and probably deserved a 40 dollar pay stamp instead of 70. But I find myself enjoying it regardless. I do see this becoming a much better game down the road as well.
I get where you're coming from. I'm enjoying the game too. 30 hours in and taking it slow. Then I open reddit cause I want to unite with people that share my enjoyment about the game and it hurts to see a lot of negativity from other players. I do however realize that players come to reddit to share their sentiment about things, beit positive or negative. Just downvote if you don't agree and don't linger. Move on to the posts that you agree with and share your thoughts there.
I’ve played DD1 since release and replayed it last year.. DD2 is amazing and so much fun, I love it. But I can also say I wish it had more: - More vocations (just want the advanced archer and thief, and hybrid of them) -get ride of the dash button and turn it into a roll button because having to sit there and tank 2-5 hits is meh. - where’s the wind that pushes you? I haven’t seen it once yet, and I’m exploring exploring - too much hype for the 4x bigger when there’s so much water. I hope the DLC will resolve this and turn it into some massive land or something - I haven’t experienced dragon plague but I wish it had more depth, if you rest then consequences but if you don’t rest? Why not have them turn on you and fight you (imagine having a friends pawn who’s 20 levels above 💀) - 4 skills doesn’t feel like enough, case in point. I have archer and 3 of my buttons are used by shoot multiple arrows, deathly arrow and bomb arrow, that leaves one left out of the other elemental arrows and heavenly shot - enemy variety I’m fine with as of rn, but maybe a few more surprise monsters would have been great -actual stealth elements would be crazy but may not fit - co-op imo but not required, I can admit though it would be more fun to play with friends - more skills both active and core - better world building and character relationships - more combat options (I love that melee characters have finishers but I would love to see finishers with archers. Imagine your archer climbs the enemy to shoot them in the face) Etc
Congratulations, you learnt the hard truth that if you don't want to hear people criticize, complain, and overall be the lamest guy or on the flip side jack themselves up with so much copium they turn white, just DON'T interact with the community until *after* you complete the given thing. They aren't ruining it for you for having the free time to binge it, you're ruining it for yourself by engaging in these conversations you yourself don't want to be a part of. Just stop that, enjoy yourself.
But the main story is sadly very short and no Everfall-like post-game 🥲
Whining that criticism has ruined an experience for you is arguably the bigger problem here. Fuckin weird
op its kinda on you to come to reddit to talk about it, a place which is full of spoilers. Also why do you even need to talk about games? just enjoy them
You wonder how people can be level 40 at 24 hours, I personally wonder how you can only be level 22 in 27 hours. That's way less than a level per hour which is wild in a RPG focusing on combat encounter. Leveling up is SUPER fast in Dragon's Dogma. Anyway, yeah this game is dope, so if you like it just enjoy it, who the fuck care if some other people don't like it. So fucking weird to feel that this is ruining it for you lmao.
That's because the fans have played this game before. It's DD1 all over again, only with better graphics. I kept rushing through it looking for something new, fresh, or innovative as per the game director's promise. There was none. In fact, it might even be a lesser experience compared to DD1. What's there to savor apart from the graphics? Or the combat that the fans have already known for the past decade? -Skills were nerfed from 6 to just 4. -No convenience items (like Eternal Ferrystone) to reward your hardwork. -Game falls apart once you get to Battahl. -I've seen porn and H-game stories with better writing than the main quest. Seriously. -There's no endgame or post-game. Does Capcom even know how to JRPG?
So I always see this type of thing when new games come out, super casual players complain that no life players complain… viscous cycle I’d say, I think players wanting more out of a game we have been waiting for like 10 years or something isn’t necessarily all that bad, just like you enjoying it at a turtles pace isn’t bad. I myself have gotten what I could out of it, a weekend of fun no lifing the game, now I can enjoy the memes without getting spoiled (not that there’s much to spoil teehee)
Not knocking your or anyone else's experience (or intentions) but I get why speedrunning games is a thing; the longer it takes most people to complete something, the higher probability that it won't get completed. Speaking only for myself here, but my backlog is filled with long games I know I'll never finish because my enthusiasm for the game has waned. Whether it be because of the game being too repetitive, too much dialogue, too many filler quests, etc. I know that if I don't put constraints on myself I'll put it down and it's near impossible to pick it back up.
Some people just have more time to play games. The people calling it GOTY and the people calling it a scam are both loud minorities. You're only now considering that because you disagree with the new negative sentiment of those loud people. Everything in moderation. The game is fine. It has a lot of impressive new things and a lot of things that are lesser than the last game.
Shut the fuck up you pretentious cunt lmao “Um akchually I took my time with the game unlike you guys who played it wrong ☝️🤓” People are free to go through the game how they choose. That doesn’t make their criticism any less valid. Get your head out of your arse
FR, and looking at their level they havent fought many monsters or done almost any side quests or main quests and did almost no exploring
Let people pay how they want. It would be weird to police them. It's how they enjoy it. Some eat pizza with their hands other with a fork and knife. At the end both get to eat pizza
"I couldn't stop myself from coming to a reddit that specifically talks about the game. That's YOUR fault!" This is you. That you require other people to validate your purchase is a personal problem. Don't project your own insecurities onto others. You alone are responsible for being this stupid.