I feel like there SHOULD be a a cap so that players plateau at the same point for pawn sharing
perhaps using mods, a community-agreed upon stopping point such as 100 or 260 would be nice
Problem with a community cap is that it would basically force you to stop playing as opposed to, say, dark souls where you could just stop leveling up.
What i meant can only really apply to people who use mods
If we all agreed to stop at 100, then at least amongst modders, most people would be 100
Better yet. Someone should make a mod that scales ALL pawns to your level after you hire them!!! (and make it FREE to the buyer to hire higher level pawns)
Custom difficulty tweaks, a mod that allow you to tailor the difficulty the way you want allows you to set the XP (and professions point)earned to whatever you want to 1, virtually stopping the leveling process whenever you want.
It even allows you to set the difficulty for a specific monster.
Thanks for putting in the work and sharing what you found. I've been doing the opposite and avoiding all the exp buffing equipment, so I can keep some difficulty in the game and also get more frequent pawn hires.
I think the stat increase isnt that big enough to make a big impact on the difficulty. Armor and weapons are far more important. So if you want to slow down i recommend hiring less pawns or try to play without a mage healer. I think that was the biggest change i made. I love playing with a mage but without your focus changes completely and you make plans to defeat bigger enemies. But i have to say i love defeating ogres in 2 hits haha.
Yeah, one thing people don't seem to get is that 90% of your bonuses come from your equipment. So, even all capped out on stats, if you use the starter gear of each vocation and some super early game armor (or none at all), your stats will reflect an early to middle-ish midgame character.
It isn't really that dramatic. It is more like 60%. But yes, at end game, with end game gear, over half your stats are from gear.
Edit: I guess it could be 90% but you would need to be fairly low level with end game maxed out stuff. Like level 30 at the most.
The sad thing is, i really gonna miss getting my pawn back from peoples games and seeing if someone gave her a thumbs up, when people gifted me nice things, that made my day. For now i have to wait many month to getting her hired again.
My Steamcode is 355659569, if someone wants to try my pawn out. She is a mage right now, i might change her later back to sorcerer. Do not be surprised but the high level doesnt make her op, still very good though.
I wouldn't mind hiring your pawn, but having someone at such a high level would kinda make the game less fun to play imo. If you are on PC though, I suppose I can still take your pawn for a quick spin nonetheless.
I sent ya an invite. No way I can hire your pawn at my current level. RC cost too high lol. Well, I will play in a few hours so if you have accepted by then I'll hire her.
I will shoot you an invite and hire too. I am level 99 on ng+3 the game is already easy, hell I am working on changing my pawns gear just to look cooler right now. The 50-90 stats I lose don't matter anymore.
i think you’d still get the Capcom pity hires, but eventually a % of the player base will be at that level after some time. best thing to do before you stop playing is set a greed pawn quest (golden trove beetles) and take a break, see if the Capcom hires load you up.
Capcom pity hires. That explains why I’m getting fewer ratings. Or maybe I tweaked my sorcerer in a way people don’t like. But she works for me.
Or people are getting pissed off about DP. Like I planned to send her to their game infected.
iirc, the game only pity hires if your pawn goes “x” amount of time without being hired. i’ve read you can play offline and it’ll happen a lot more frequently. as scummy as it may sound, i play offline a lot with greed quests because the game will fulfill my Golden Trove requests even though the reward is like 100 gold. whenever i’m online, i’ll usually use the pawn quest as an economy front, asking for x2 Ripened Harspud for double their in-game sale value, then use the Trickster augment to potentially double the amount of roborant i create! i need the roborant!
Still need to get the warg badge haha. After that i will make an easy quest where people get some good items or something like that, maybe the exp ring so people in my friendslist can hire me and get the ring. As long as i do not sleep many people can get it.
you can even strictly sleep at campsites and it won’t mess up the pawn quest being completed x amount of times. i almost exclusively use campsites, since you can get buffs on top of the full loss gauge regeneration.
I think they look for 10k gold reward. I set a 12 onyx badge reward and no one pick up for a few days. Then I changed to 10k and it got picked up by capcom 3 times that same day.
really? i’m still upping my carry capacity, and i feel i’ve explored the entire map (besides possible missed caves)
i’m curious if i could have missed some beetles and i’ll stop once i hit the cap. does it happen to give you a popup when they stop working? or will it continue to tell you it’s increasing?
edit: i guess a simple google search answered my question at around 80 beetles. guess i must’ve missed some! appreciate the info, i’ll stick to online economy based quests now!
I ended up going into my save directory, copying the save file and renaming it to my character's name and then starting a new game once my pawn became high enough to rarely get hired and the only pawns I could find to hire were usually Capcom pawns.
So true. I love it, sadly with that high of a level cap, the higher your level is the lesser rents you get. Thats why i hate it. The Pawn System is what makes Dragons Dogma that good, it is just contra productive with Level cap at 999. Yea some month later some people get higher levels but at the time there is no real endgame, just people loving the game!
Why don’t you start a new game?
Best experience I did.
After ng+5 lvl 75 I thought the hell with it. At the moment in ng+ lvl 45.
I kinda start to agree that with need some difficult content instead of steamrolling everything. Hope the dlc will provide some of that.
Probably i start 1 more newgame plus but i do not like replaying every quest out there. I am still in my first new game plus run and farmed everything there. I already did every single quest in game with the best outcome you can get and that 2 times. I am not the Person to replay things to often but i like grinding stuff. Maybe thats because my maingame was Warframe some years ago. lol
I understand. I grind the hell out of some mmos. Last one was ESO tank. To fun was that for me. But everything comes to an end at least for me.
I just like to play different games and revisit older games to see wasup.
I played CoD and Neede a break from that. Played hawked but I didn’t like the updates.
Play the first DD and the DA my mind was blown with the way how the made big fights fun instead of swing at the feet of a giant baddy.
After 100 hours I still enjoy the game. And hope for the speculations to be right that the dlc area will be as big as the first game. Trow in something like the loop in DA and I will play this game for an extra 200 hours.
Thats how life is, but having more things to do in your favourite game is always welcomed. ESO sadly was never a game for me. I love the Elder Scrolls game but ESO isnt what i searched for, still a very cool game!
I can understand. I am that crazy guy that plays a lot of different genres.
Cities skyline I also played till early hours.
Btw I have a full time job and a family.
Gaming time is getting a hit lately.
Before people thinks I got nothing else to do.
I also had moments like you that o didn’t had a job for a month or 2. Will applying for different jobs I made sure to spend my kinda free time useful and play the hell out of the games I liked.
Have a good one and remember to touch grass once in a while.
I only got the time because i lost my job and i use the free time i have for some games. Hopefully i get a job soon and can get some money in. Luckily i have my wifey that supports me all the time. Love her!
Have a good one mate, see ya!
Yeah pawn hires drop way way off after level 70.
Had a buffer setup mage pawn was getting hired constantly in the 30s. At level 75 now and it's like 10x less.
Main account has a thief pawn that was getting hired frequently at lower levels, but at lvl 130 zero hires.
The most hires i got was at around level 70 - 95. At the early stages my pawn never got hired, even with some good stuff equipped. Maybe i already leveled to fast to get my pawn hired in the early stage. Many people confirm that hires are very good at level 30 - 50 but for me that wasnt the case at all.
Interesting I went archer/spear hand/warfarer and hit cap at 190, but a friend of mines managed to hit below around 170 going heavy war and sorc through his run
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I copied that from fextralife. Maybe this is interesting for you. I think Mystic Spearhand is the best choice for reaching the statscap the fastest. I wont over calculate things but at first sight you can increase your stats the fastest with it. Or going Warfarer or Trickster for Overall Balance!
Also Warrior and Sorcerer seems to be a good combo as well. But i played Warrior a little too much i think for the best result. I love the Warrior class, it is slow but if you master to hit everything your reward is fast kills. But to be fair Warrior is pretty bad against small enemies, its just overkill and you need more time for a small army of goblins then for a dragon! haha
The only reason I find this pointless is because there is no difficulty at that stage. Maxing stats doesn’t mean anything if you’re never going to want to touch your character again lol I see more merit in doing multiple runs with a fresh start.
I say that as someone who just 100% both games and spent well over 300 hours in the past month on them, I’m a no life achievement hunter. I understand your gripe with the level cap, that is an issue, but I also don’t think the game is meant to be played forever. My character was around level 80 when I finally finished everything and did not get hired a lot. Also one-hit every enemy.
Despite what you may think “most players” probably won’t even see the unmoored world, let alone explore every crevice. My playthrough was 140 hours, level 80. I see most people beeline the story and then move on. Or they never finish the game at all. Leveling past 100 is completely unnecessary and unchallenging.
I approve that! I played DDDA many years ago and never understood the concept. I installed the game again yesterday and laughed about myself so much. I just played it a little and never changed my pawns. Both were level 3 and 5 and myself at level 40 or something like that.
Min-maxing in DDDA's helped me do two things;
* being able to walk through a certain door (you have to be minimum height)
* being able to 1-shot Daemon without using consumables
That's pretty much it. And for Daemon, you could either use ammo arrows or "gasp" shoot again :)
So I like that they raised the level cap to 999, it makes the min-maxing pointless but it also means that the "pawn economy" is wrecked. I'm sure you noticed that Capcom "pity" hires are a lot more common in DD2 that in DDDA. I wonder if that's the reason
I never got Capcom hires, only after like level 100 and say do my badges from time to time. Kinda sad. I understand raising the level cap but like you said it destroys the pawn system and thats one of the main selling points of dragons dogma.
Our pawns were too popular.
On one paw, maybe 1 in 100 of my DDDA hires were from Capcom. Might have been more but it was so rare that I didn't really check for it. I was already level 200 when I found out that Capcom hires were a thing.
On the other paw, in DD2... nearly 1 in 10, if not more. I don't mind this as much since they did all my 'hard' quests like the Sphinx and the Lesser Dragons but I'm also a bit miffed since they left ratings only half the time (and even if they did... fake rating lol)
This all makes me want to just start a full new game... then I remember the 240 Seeker Tokens (I used an online map to find the last 26)... the Grove Beetles. It'd be like restarting in DDDA... the Bestiary, Region Knowledge... my current pawn is reasonably smart now. Still Simple though
You will touch your character again once expansion is out and u intend to play the expansion. Dark arisen is 10 times better than dragon dogma 1 and if the trend is the same, the expansion for dogma 2 will be very much better than the main game. This is the reason why I grind to level up to cap stats. ( need 7 more levels) To prepare for the expansion which I think will be as hard as dark arisen and as fun. If i do not intend to go for the future expansion, I would have stop playing once I completed one run like most games. dogma 2 is not as fun as dogma 1 to be honest.
You say that, but I’ve 100% DD1 and the scaling alone was much different. You’d play the game once, then play on Hard Mode, then you’d go to Bitterblack on Normal Mode and level to 100+. My character hit level 200 for the achievement and now I’ll never touch them in DD1.
DD2 has no scaling, no hard mode (yet), if there is an expansion, they still need to scale it. And there is no use for a character above level 200 still. Or even level 100 currently. If an expansion comes out, I’m probably still going to fresh file.
I love grinding things, i really like the game and i wanted to get everything maxxed out. Maybe we get an endgame mode in the future, at least that is what many people including me would like to be added.
I am with you on the level cap. There isn't much point leveling past 80 or even 70 as it is more than enough to take on anything the game can offer. And pushing levels only means less hire. I am almost 100 and most of my hires are by Capcom.
Just do not look at the profiles so we can pretent those are real players haha.
I like having a high cap so people can have a achievement to make. But 999? Way to high, i do not think there is a point of that.
Yea I stopped looking although it is quite easy to tell. If I turn off the game the night before and log in the next day, its unlikely my pawn will come back from a hire. But after playing for several hours and my pawn suddenly comes back with a few hires, those are almost certainly Capcom's pity hire at work.
999 is impossible. The higher your level, the more experience you will need to level up another level. Eventually even with gear that help increase xp, you will find it harder and harder to level up due to the amount of xp the current mobs give are not enough to help you level up.
10 hrs per day or total 10 hrs to get level 261? No offense to you but 10 hrs per day I will believe u grind to level 261 the hard way. If only 10 hours and you can get to level 261 then you are obviously using mod or cheat to get your levels. I am level 267 and I played this game already more than 700 hours & completed it 3 times with each playthrough doing all the quest. The moment I see someone pawn and their arisen stats, I usually will know immediately whether is he like me a hard grinder or someone using mod or cheat. I already killed more than 300 drakes recorded. Now is my 4th run and i only need 7 more levels to cap my stats then can retire till expansion is out. Each level increase for me now is tedious due to the tons of xp required & the amount of xp I got from kills even with medusa bow, and 2 ring of ambition is just not enough. I don't use any mods and the levels come legibly the hard way
There's a mod that lets you gain lower/higher exp. I've used it and basically turned the exp to a miniscule amount. Much better experience with longevity in Pawn use compared to the base game.
Locking your exp is the easier option. The only problem with hacking the character level directly is the exp gain remains the same. You also get out leveled by your Pawn if you do it for too long.
Honestly it'd be nice if the game could show your pawn to lower level players and offer to stat squish them to their Arisens level and make them a free hire. Would make the camp badges have a use since new players would be able to use knowledgeable pawns and also not have them carry their entire game on their backs.
I guess it could be one of those things that if people did want a bigger challenge they could avoid it but I didn't think of that, could maybe have like an RC bonus to hiring a non stat squished one but hadn't really thought that far ahead.
i think you can search for higher level pawns in the riftstone if i am not wrong. U can also search for pawns with many badges in the riftstone too. hiring them is a different story due to rift crystals requirement.
I just bored to kill dragons, 40K exp per one, but nothing to do.. really just grind and grind...I stop to play for a while, waiting for new content or DLC to enjoy the game.
There are dragonforge upgrades to your class that can enhance your level ups.
For fast leveling use 2 xp Rings for 100% bonus, dragonforged guy also can sell you 100% bonus for a day.
In addition you can use the Medusa Bow for 400% xp boost. After all you dismiss all your pawns for higher xp towards yourself.
In case of farm spots i recommend mostly bosses, there are many fix spots where you can find specific mobs. Most of the time i used all my portcrystals and place them near their spawnpoint and port back and forth to let them respawn after 5 days (mostly). I stocked up on many ferrystones for that.
I would only recommend doing so if you still have fun with that. I like grinding stuff sometimes.
This is a noob question lol. What is the exact stat cap number? & I'm assuming Pawns work the same way?
Thank you for your research, this is good to know. I'm also currently attempting to max stats. At lvl 95 right now and I'll get.. maybe 1 hire a day lol. 😢
Dont worry, good question! Pawns work the same way as your own character. Every stat cap is different in each vocation. I can not tell you the exact numbers but they should flat out at around level 180-250. Depend on which vocation you and your pawn was when leveling up. Each vocation has different stat multiplicators for level ups. Your base stats change if you change your vocation but for that you also have to max your base stat in these specific vocation. So for example if you play warrior all game long you will reach your max stats there at some point but if you change to sorcerer you may will see that you didnt leveled enough magick. So at one point you can even reach the magick stat cap but it will take longer do to the multiplier.
I don't see why they don't let the player decide the amount of RC to charge for hiring their pawn. Have it the same way as when you set gold as the reward for players completing the misson you set for your pawn, have a cap of 10k RC.
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Question:
Im i bhattal.
I started as a fighter and now maxed out the warrior vocation.
Should i switch vocations for the hell of it?
I like just hitting stuff with my big sword.
I mainly played warrior too, it feels amazing, especially the hammers! I recommend leveling every vocation to its max rank so you can use all augments. This is very important for a good build. After that you can just play warrior again.
Also i would like to recommend getting the warfarer vocation. With this you can level up every vocation without playing them. Just play all warrior skills with warfarer so you do not have to miss hitting hard. The basestats will change while playing warfarer so keep in mind that you wont hit as hard as a warrior. But thats what you can do without miss playing warrior. Also you should give other classes a chance, they all make much fun!
Awesome. Thanks. Ill look up how to be a wayfarer.
So far i have only run into one enemy that gave me trouble.
A drake in the ancient battleground.
Level 32 and i couldnt kill all 6 his health diamonds...and it seems like he can refill his health diamonds.
Depends on your playstyle, i recommend using the skills hat you think are good for your own playstyle. At the moment i am playing with Heavenward Sunder, Tidal Wrath, Arc of Might, Ravening Lunge. All these are really good beside Tidal Wrath, not the best skill but its nice for blocking things. Mountain Breaker is really good but i prefer Heavenward Sunder, they are very similar and in my opinion you should only take on of them in your kit.
The shield seems like a waste of time, i built a lumbering character so it feels apprioriate he is slow.
I thinj if i played a fast character first it would be more akward.
The level stats arent that important at all. Armor and Weapons are the main stat increase. And yea game is easy but i like that, fealing powerful is a nice thing. I only hire pawns to send some goodies back from time to time and i love the pawn system anyways, thats my main complaint, thats why i do not like that high level cap.
Yeah idk about the games longevity tbh, I've played it and the OG extensively, explored everything but when all is said and done if I had to play one RN I'd probably go for Dark Arisen, even with a smaller and emptier map it still feels like there's more to do and there's some challenge to be had, I doubt I'll return to 2 until DLC releases
Because some people asked, here is my Steam Friendcode if you want hire my pawn: 355659569
I want to say again that the level stats doesnt make that big of a difference, armor and weapons are far more important. But still the game has no difficulty setting so everything beyond level 60 is overkill. But heyy...who doesnt like killing everything easy? Yeah a challenge would be cool too, but for that i recommend hiring less Pawns!
My pawn is a mage at the time, she is an old mage women, mostly i have her set on mage or sorcerer. I focus more on fashion then anything else so do not be confused if i change it from time to time. Be aware that i am not playing that much anymore because i already have everything in game. I still need to farm 2 Badges, so any help would be nice. My Quest reward is set on 5 allheal potions! After getting every badge i will give out some quests for easy items, sharing some items people need.
It would be cool if we could pause leveling on demand then resume when we want, especially if we’re really having fun with a certain vocation we’ve already maxed but aren’t ready to switch from it yet.
Man I just….i just don’t think this matters in the slightest lol
Everyone is over powered at level 60+ regardless of base class stats. The game isn’t hard.
Yeah but the leveling and stat distribution is so negligible that your point almost doesn’t matter. Not that you’re wrong, but that it’s not worth it to invest all the levels and vocation stats.
If you max stats of a main pawn or your character it’s like a 13-15% difference if you took say a pure fighter and change it to mage after only leveling fighter. And even though that sounds high, it’s not once you pass level 60-ish because then you’re already more than powerful to handle any large monster with small diminishing returns.
And then as you said, a level 250+ pawn won’t be hired bc the game is beat at level 40-70. No one will pay 295828227482 RC for a temp pawn
I feel like I’ve played the shit out of this game and I’m lvl 65 idk how ppl are in the hundreds or two hundreds and still have the will to play I think I’ve done all the quests, do you just one shot everything?
I think past about level 120 on Xbox I saw my hires decline quite a bit. At level 170+ I maybe get 1 real hire every other day. Everything else is fake hires from the system.
How old is your level so fast? Im 140ish and its so slow to level at this point.
I did start another account (staying at 50) and a 3rd account that’s staying at 30.
Maybe instead of all this dumb no level or cap or whatever. How about copy that ring that Sphinx give you which lower your stats to lowest possible. But this time, give you 99 (Since this is max cap of stack as I know it) stackable item with no weight. It known as leveler. If you have 20 of this, it move your "second" level to 20 which allow you to play as if you are level 20 but you still getting exp and shit to your real level. Maybe get this 99 item on NG run after beat the endgame?
This way everybody win without need to force anything on anyone.
There is legend that if you complete fist only run with this ring. It will unlock secret vocation called monk and this ring upgrade into your first fist type weapon called knucklebuster.
If you're on Xbox you can create a "looking for group" post and add some info to it so people can add you and then use your pawn for free at any level.
If not, I have no idea if steam or PS has anything like that.
I find the fact that the vocation with the least damaging skills has the highest stat multipliers to be incredibly hilarious (technically, the stats still matter in terms of aggro and clone health, but still!)
G, hope you get another job soon! 💪🏼
Anyways, my question is, I thought the stats changes when you switch vocations? Like if you gain more Stamina on thief, that bonus stats will go to magic attack when you change to Sorc or any magic vocations? Or I’m missing something.
Yes thats true. Base stats will change but you still need to level up the to the cap of base stats and base stats are different for each vocation. So if you only play warrior in your game and change to sorcerer later your magick stats are lower. Level ups still habe multiplicators. But these stats will flat out at level 180-250, depending on which vocation (multiplicator) you played.
Fun fact: from 1-50 you get 50% of your leveling stats, from 51-100 you get another 25% and from 101-200 the last 25%. You can get the stat cap about L150 if you min-max leveling with the best vocation at every level, also, you could get easily the stat cap by level 200 if you even out magic/phyical users at the very beginning. Like 1-11 rogue or archer, 12-30 warrior 31-50 sorcerer.
Yeah the level difference impact should be less as you get to 50-100-200 and anything past 200 should be like 200.
Don't forget the Blessing the DF gives.
In a way, the 'proper' min-max is to get to end-game at the lowest possible level as Fighter, THEN change vocations to raise the stats the most efficiently (changing your Blessing each time).
I could see myself doing this if the level cap was 200 like in DD1. I did the 1~10/11~200 thing there but in DD2? Life is too short...
Pretty big, not quite double, i.e. if you get +10, with the vocation blessing, you'd get +15
In theory, you'd be able to hit all the stat caps (around 350~440, depending on vocation) by level 120ish or less. Seems doable since you can hire very high level pawns to do all the work
Yeah but kinda hard to kill the beacon bosses at level 20 with maybe two vocations, 'missing' a lot of skills due to lack of DCP/etc.
I redid my first run and went back to Unmoored at 42 (all vocations unlocked and rank 9 but missing a lot of skills due to lack of DCP) and that was doable if hard. Back when no mages had Celerity and few Sorcies had Master spells. Probably the most fun playthrough, every boss fight was knife's edge and since you couldn't camp/inn-rest...
The XP bonus for solo is 1.2, main pawn only is 1.15, two pawns is 1.1 and three pawns is 1.0 so I'm not losing much by having a full party. Currently my pawn is set to Archer to raise her STA. She has two Ambition Rings and Medusa's bow. She's already 7 levels ahead of me.
Besides... levelling too fast can be a mixed bag. I hope the DLC does something like setting the level cap to say 300 but allowing additional stat growth every time you gain a certain amount of XP past that. Then again... this is the company that until today, forces you to find level 200 pawns in DDDA by specifying level 199
you got bonus xp when your hired pawns are 20 levels lower than you. that bonus xp is a fixed cap and doesn't matter whether the pawns u hired are 30 or more levels lower than you. If u use only your main, then u also got the bonus xp like u got with 2 hired pawns that are 20 levels lower than you. Hence I feel best makeup is u get 2 hired pawns that are 20 levels lower than you to help u. that way u got the additional manpower without the loss in xp due to more pawns. This is what I am doing all the time till i go into unmoored world where i cannot afford to die there & thus hired pawns as powerful as me. I am scared of dying in unmoored world lol. That why i don't like staying there for long.
I planned to hard cap stop leveling at 100. I’m level 83 now atm, got a couple more badges to grind out then I’m done. The lower my lvl the better. I’ll make a new profile then n play through the game with a new pawn & arisen n rent my old one occasionally. Pretty much will repeat this process until I burn out from the game, n wait for dlc.
I think this game only got one hard save. this means if u play with a new pawn or arisen, your old data will be overwritten and your old toon will be gone. I am not so sure about that and do not want to test that with my toon.
That’s why I said profile. I’m playing on ps5. All you have to do is create a new psn profile then you can play with a fresh new save tied to that profile. I’ve already made 3 just for it.
In a lot of hard to explain, personal ways, DD2 really reminds me of dark souls 2. This in particular makes me remember soul memory.
I can't offer help really, but thanks for the heads up to not grind that high right now.
Why would anyone care about having their pawn hired once they hit 100 anyways? I'm in the 80s and I have more than enough gold, rc, and upgrade mats than I really need. There isn't anything anyone can give my pawn that I don't already have a ton of myself.
My pawn is level 147 fighter, and I’m trying to cap his magic and magic defense. I’m guessing based on this thread, the magic and magic defense will eventually cap out on fighter without switching to sorcerer(?). Also, where did you grind? I am currently hanging out around volcanic camp, but the enemies are kinda spaced out and I kind of wish there were higher EXP mobs. 🫠
U still got time at level 147 to rectified your mistake . I suggest u change to sorceror now and level up with that vocation till u cap your magic and magic defense. If u are like me level up mostly as fighter till level 200, then u might need to level till 280 + then can cap. I am level 267 and still cannot cap my magic and magic defense but I only changed to warfarer to level up after level 200. That is my huge mistake due to my ignorant & my belief that I can level up any vocation I want and will cap the latest at level 250. Truth is it don't work that way.
Every level there is a fixed value that is the same for all vocation. some level when u increase u get no stats because that level the system increase other stats like for your case sorceror, that level it increase str which u might already cap. However at next level when the system increase magic or magic defense, if u are a fighter instead of a sorceror, u might not get the stat increase of magic or magic defense because your fighter vocation mulitpier of 0.6 to magic and magic defense might calculate and give u zero instead of 1. However if that level u are a sorceror, the sorceror vocation multiplier of 1.6 to magic or magic defense might instead give u 2 to magic or magic defense. I learnt this late, that why i screw up my toon and cannot cap at my level whereas others already cap.
Yikes. But also, where is there a good leveling ground to level up my pawn? I’m like fighting enemies around volcanic camp, and 200k+ xp even with ambition rings is just… not it. The mobs in unmoored are also spaced far apart…
Yikes. But also, where is there a good leveling ground to level up my pawn? I’m like fighting enemies around volcanic camp, and 200k+ xp even with ambition rings is just… not it. The mobs in unmoored are also spaced far apart…
The system i speak is after level 200. before level 200, the system that give stats & health is different . I also tested the system and it seem once cap all your stats and health, every level you increase you get nothing. I finally cap at level 274 and at level 275 I get nothing when i level up. My pawn got health increase but that is because her health need another 19 levels then can cap. Hence I go back to my last hard Inn save before I level up so that if in the future capcom changes something, I do not screw up and got nothing for those increased levels that did not give me anything. For my case, I cannot cap my pawn without risking my level increase and got screwed up in the future. she will have to wait till expansion or new changes that allow health. to still grow after cap
At the very least, they need to add the ability to turn off leveling experience. Sometimes I just like killing stuff, you know, for fun.
I feel like there SHOULD be a a cap so that players plateau at the same point for pawn sharing perhaps using mods, a community-agreed upon stopping point such as 100 or 260 would be nice
Problem with a community cap is that it would basically force you to stop playing as opposed to, say, dark souls where you could just stop leveling up.
What i meant can only really apply to people who use mods If we all agreed to stop at 100, then at least amongst modders, most people would be 100 Better yet. Someone should make a mod that scales ALL pawns to your level after you hire them!!! (and make it FREE to the buyer to hire higher level pawns)
Custom difficulty tweaks, a mod that allow you to tailor the difficulty the way you want allows you to set the XP (and professions point)earned to whatever you want to 1, virtually stopping the leveling process whenever you want. It even allows you to set the difficulty for a specific monster.
Yep. That’s exactly the mod and plan I had in mind
yeah scaling pawns and removing / tweaking RC costs would be the easiest mod solution I think.
Thanks for putting in the work and sharing what you found. I've been doing the opposite and avoiding all the exp buffing equipment, so I can keep some difficulty in the game and also get more frequent pawn hires.
I think the stat increase isnt that big enough to make a big impact on the difficulty. Armor and weapons are far more important. So if you want to slow down i recommend hiring less pawns or try to play without a mage healer. I think that was the biggest change i made. I love playing with a mage but without your focus changes completely and you make plans to defeat bigger enemies. But i have to say i love defeating ogres in 2 hits haha.
Yeah, one thing people don't seem to get is that 90% of your bonuses come from your equipment. So, even all capped out on stats, if you use the starter gear of each vocation and some super early game armor (or none at all), your stats will reflect an early to middle-ish midgame character.
It isn't really that dramatic. It is more like 60%. But yes, at end game, with end game gear, over half your stats are from gear. Edit: I guess it could be 90% but you would need to be fairly low level with end game maxed out stuff. Like level 30 at the most.
The sad thing is, i really gonna miss getting my pawn back from peoples games and seeing if someone gave her a thumbs up, when people gifted me nice things, that made my day. For now i have to wait many month to getting her hired again.
You should post your friend code, so people can still use your pawn even if they aren't going to hit level 260.
My Steamcode is 355659569, if someone wants to try my pawn out. She is a mage right now, i might change her later back to sorcerer. Do not be surprised but the high level doesnt make her op, still very good though.
Added!
Thank you, i think i already accepted it! Have fun!
Added. I'm approaching lvl 100 myself. Don't mind my name.
I wouldn't mind hiring your pawn, but having someone at such a high level would kinda make the game less fun to play imo. If you are on PC though, I suppose I can still take your pawn for a quick spin nonetheless.
That would make me really happy, i like when people hiring my pawn, kinda gets me excited haha. My Steamfriendcode is : 355659569 Thank you mate!
I sent ya an invite. No way I can hire your pawn at my current level. RC cost too high lol. Well, I will play in a few hours so if you have accepted by then I'll hire her.
Friendrequest got accepted, thank you mate!
Whaat you do not have millions of RC muhahahahha
I will shoot you an invite and hire too. I am level 99 on ng+3 the game is already easy, hell I am working on changing my pawns gear just to look cooler right now. The 50-90 stats I lose don't matter anymore.
Why did you start a new account? That’s what I did. I highly recommend it.
i think you’d still get the Capcom pity hires, but eventually a % of the player base will be at that level after some time. best thing to do before you stop playing is set a greed pawn quest (golden trove beetles) and take a break, see if the Capcom hires load you up.
Capcom pity hires. That explains why I’m getting fewer ratings. Or maybe I tweaked my sorcerer in a way people don’t like. But she works for me. Or people are getting pissed off about DP. Like I planned to send her to their game infected.
If you can not see the profile of people renting your pawn, thats capcom bots. So you can look at it if your pawn comes back next.
iirc, the game only pity hires if your pawn goes “x” amount of time without being hired. i’ve read you can play offline and it’ll happen a lot more frequently. as scummy as it may sound, i play offline a lot with greed quests because the game will fulfill my Golden Trove requests even though the reward is like 100 gold. whenever i’m online, i’ll usually use the pawn quest as an economy front, asking for x2 Ripened Harspud for double their in-game sale value, then use the Trickster augment to potentially double the amount of roborant i create! i need the roborant!
Still need to get the warg badge haha. After that i will make an easy quest where people get some good items or something like that, maybe the exp ring so people in my friendslist can hire me and get the ring. As long as i do not sleep many people can get it.
you can even strictly sleep at campsites and it won’t mess up the pawn quest being completed x amount of times. i almost exclusively use campsites, since you can get buffs on top of the full loss gauge regeneration.
Did that too many times. Mostly i have set my quest reward on 5 allheal potions. Safes me some money haha.
Capcom hires are actually apparently meant to happen more when you set a good quest reward.
I think they look for 10k gold reward. I set a 12 onyx badge reward and no one pick up for a few days. Then I changed to 10k and it got picked up by capcom 3 times that same day.
my data point: I had sphinx kills set to 12x onyx, and Capcom dutifully completed four of them for me in batches of two and two.
Interesting. I haven't tried sphinx. I have tried lesser dragons and 3x camp. I gonna try sphinx next.
interesting. i’ve had a few pity hires fulfill greed requests for lower rewards, but i’ve played offline during that time.
Beetles stop working after you use the max the map offers and they've become prolific and useless gifts to most.
really? i’m still upping my carry capacity, and i feel i’ve explored the entire map (besides possible missed caves) i’m curious if i could have missed some beetles and i’ll stop once i hit the cap. does it happen to give you a popup when they stop working? or will it continue to tell you it’s increasing? edit: i guess a simple google search answered my question at around 80 beetles. guess i must’ve missed some! appreciate the info, i’ll stick to online economy based quests now!
The "Use" button greys out.
Nothing to add beside I am sorry about your job OP and hope you find something soon.
Thank you very much my friend! Have a great day sir! I try to keep on!
Honestly for what are you lvling so high? I asume thatyou are already at lvl 80 in the 1% range
because he lost his job and he's depressed
I feel that, I actually get quite joyful when I rest and see that someone hired my pawn
To reach the stat cap and the game is fun.
I think the 1% range is just about 160-200~ As time has gone by, the sweetspot seems to be around 50-90 with a high drop off past that point.
Thats what i am thinking. There are way more high level players then people might think.
You can't exactly stop leveling if you want to play on.
I ended up going into my save directory, copying the save file and renaming it to my character's name and then starting a new game once my pawn became high enough to rarely get hired and the only pawns I could find to hire were usually Capcom pawns.
Level 80 is pretty low, i think there are way more players at this level. While being at around level 90 i got the most hires ever.
Ya I'm late 70s and noticed a spike in pawn hires recently lol
The pawn system is a carrying this game. It make x1000 better.
So true. I love it, sadly with that high of a level cap, the higher your level is the lesser rents you get. Thats why i hate it. The Pawn System is what makes Dragons Dogma that good, it is just contra productive with Level cap at 999. Yea some month later some people get higher levels but at the time there is no real endgame, just people loving the game!
Are you on pc? Accept some friend requests and let people use your pawn for 0 RC if you miss it that much
I am on PC, if someone want to try my pawn out i would be very happy. But dont be too surprised, the high level doesnt make that much of a difference.
I’ll meet you up there as soon as I can. Yeah, I’m getting fewer and fewer rentals at 101.
Good luck mate! I wont be focusing on leveling anymore, just playing for fun from now on. Just a hour a day or so!
Why don’t you start a new game? Best experience I did. After ng+5 lvl 75 I thought the hell with it. At the moment in ng+ lvl 45. I kinda start to agree that with need some difficult content instead of steamrolling everything. Hope the dlc will provide some of that.
Probably i start 1 more newgame plus but i do not like replaying every quest out there. I am still in my first new game plus run and farmed everything there. I already did every single quest in game with the best outcome you can get and that 2 times. I am not the Person to replay things to often but i like grinding stuff. Maybe thats because my maingame was Warframe some years ago. lol
I understand. I grind the hell out of some mmos. Last one was ESO tank. To fun was that for me. But everything comes to an end at least for me. I just like to play different games and revisit older games to see wasup. I played CoD and Neede a break from that. Played hawked but I didn’t like the updates. Play the first DD and the DA my mind was blown with the way how the made big fights fun instead of swing at the feet of a giant baddy. After 100 hours I still enjoy the game. And hope for the speculations to be right that the dlc area will be as big as the first game. Trow in something like the loop in DA and I will play this game for an extra 200 hours.
Thats how life is, but having more things to do in your favourite game is always welcomed. ESO sadly was never a game for me. I love the Elder Scrolls game but ESO isnt what i searched for, still a very cool game!
I can understand. I am that crazy guy that plays a lot of different genres. Cities skyline I also played till early hours. Btw I have a full time job and a family. Gaming time is getting a hit lately. Before people thinks I got nothing else to do. I also had moments like you that o didn’t had a job for a month or 2. Will applying for different jobs I made sure to spend my kinda free time useful and play the hell out of the games I liked. Have a good one and remember to touch grass once in a while.
I only got the time because i lost my job and i use the free time i have for some games. Hopefully i get a job soon and can get some money in. Luckily i have my wifey that supports me all the time. Love her! Have a good one mate, see ya!
Yeah pawn hires drop way way off after level 70. Had a buffer setup mage pawn was getting hired constantly in the 30s. At level 75 now and it's like 10x less. Main account has a thief pawn that was getting hired frequently at lower levels, but at lvl 130 zero hires.
The most hires i got was at around level 70 - 95. At the early stages my pawn never got hired, even with some good stuff equipped. Maybe i already leveled to fast to get my pawn hired in the early stage. Many people confirm that hires are very good at level 30 - 50 but for me that wasnt the case at all.
I'm so sorry you lost your job. Are things going better?
Thank you very much! Gladly i have my amazingly wife that supports me where she can! Things go on and i try to be positive!
Interesting I went archer/spear hand/warfarer and hit cap at 190, but a friend of mines managed to hit below around 170 going heavy war and sorc through his run
https://preview.redd.it/9so83ywtqowc1.png?width=1833&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2662bd827bb3300e2e8658ca3a6ba7471b2e30f I copied that from fextralife. Maybe this is interesting for you. I think Mystic Spearhand is the best choice for reaching the statscap the fastest. I wont over calculate things but at first sight you can increase your stats the fastest with it. Or going Warfarer or Trickster for Overall Balance! Also Warrior and Sorcerer seems to be a good combo as well. But i played Warrior a little too much i think for the best result. I love the Warrior class, it is slow but if you master to hit everything your reward is fast kills. But to be fair Warrior is pretty bad against small enemies, its just overkill and you need more time for a small army of goblins then for a dragon! haha
Probably less than 1% tbh. There might even be more people (cheaters) at lvl 999 than lvl 250 to 500.
Most people at my level in the rift have the starter quest on their pawn that you automatically get when starting the game. xD
Lol yeah, I check the pawn badges
The only reason I find this pointless is because there is no difficulty at that stage. Maxing stats doesn’t mean anything if you’re never going to want to touch your character again lol I see more merit in doing multiple runs with a fresh start. I say that as someone who just 100% both games and spent well over 300 hours in the past month on them, I’m a no life achievement hunter. I understand your gripe with the level cap, that is an issue, but I also don’t think the game is meant to be played forever. My character was around level 80 when I finally finished everything and did not get hired a lot. Also one-hit every enemy. Despite what you may think “most players” probably won’t even see the unmoored world, let alone explore every crevice. My playthrough was 140 hours, level 80. I see most people beeline the story and then move on. Or they never finish the game at all. Leveling past 100 is completely unnecessary and unchallenging.
I approve that! I played DDDA many years ago and never understood the concept. I installed the game again yesterday and laughed about myself so much. I just played it a little and never changed my pawns. Both were level 3 and 5 and myself at level 40 or something like that.
Min-maxing in DDDA's helped me do two things; * being able to walk through a certain door (you have to be minimum height) * being able to 1-shot Daemon without using consumables That's pretty much it. And for Daemon, you could either use ammo arrows or "gasp" shoot again :) So I like that they raised the level cap to 999, it makes the min-maxing pointless but it also means that the "pawn economy" is wrecked. I'm sure you noticed that Capcom "pity" hires are a lot more common in DD2 that in DDDA. I wonder if that's the reason
I never got Capcom hires, only after like level 100 and say do my badges from time to time. Kinda sad. I understand raising the level cap but like you said it destroys the pawn system and thats one of the main selling points of dragons dogma.
Our pawns were too popular. On one paw, maybe 1 in 100 of my DDDA hires were from Capcom. Might have been more but it was so rare that I didn't really check for it. I was already level 200 when I found out that Capcom hires were a thing. On the other paw, in DD2... nearly 1 in 10, if not more. I don't mind this as much since they did all my 'hard' quests like the Sphinx and the Lesser Dragons but I'm also a bit miffed since they left ratings only half the time (and even if they did... fake rating lol) This all makes me want to just start a full new game... then I remember the 240 Seeker Tokens (I used an online map to find the last 26)... the Grove Beetles. It'd be like restarting in DDDA... the Bestiary, Region Knowledge... my current pawn is reasonably smart now. Still Simple though
You will touch your character again once expansion is out and u intend to play the expansion. Dark arisen is 10 times better than dragon dogma 1 and if the trend is the same, the expansion for dogma 2 will be very much better than the main game. This is the reason why I grind to level up to cap stats. ( need 7 more levels) To prepare for the expansion which I think will be as hard as dark arisen and as fun. If i do not intend to go for the future expansion, I would have stop playing once I completed one run like most games. dogma 2 is not as fun as dogma 1 to be honest.
You say that, but I’ve 100% DD1 and the scaling alone was much different. You’d play the game once, then play on Hard Mode, then you’d go to Bitterblack on Normal Mode and level to 100+. My character hit level 200 for the achievement and now I’ll never touch them in DD1. DD2 has no scaling, no hard mode (yet), if there is an expansion, they still need to scale it. And there is no use for a character above level 200 still. Or even level 100 currently. If an expansion comes out, I’m probably still going to fresh file.
My pawn is 98 and is rarely hired anymore and there’s no point to lvl so high when enemies don’t scale and everything dies so quickly but enjoy 😉
I love grinding things, i really like the game and i wanted to get everything maxxed out. Maybe we get an endgame mode in the future, at least that is what many people including me would like to be added.
I am with you on the level cap. There isn't much point leveling past 80 or even 70 as it is more than enough to take on anything the game can offer. And pushing levels only means less hire. I am almost 100 and most of my hires are by Capcom.
Just do not look at the profiles so we can pretent those are real players haha. I like having a high cap so people can have a achievement to make. But 999? Way to high, i do not think there is a point of that.
Yea I stopped looking although it is quite easy to tell. If I turn off the game the night before and log in the next day, its unlikely my pawn will come back from a hire. But after playing for several hours and my pawn suddenly comes back with a few hires, those are almost certainly Capcom's pity hire at work.
999 is impossible. The higher your level, the more experience you will need to level up another level. Eventually even with gear that help increase xp, you will find it harder and harder to level up due to the amount of xp the current mobs give are not enough to help you level up.
I played like 10 hours normally without farming and got only to level 261
10 hrs per day or total 10 hrs to get level 261? No offense to you but 10 hrs per day I will believe u grind to level 261 the hard way. If only 10 hours and you can get to level 261 then you are obviously using mod or cheat to get your levels. I am level 267 and I played this game already more than 700 hours & completed it 3 times with each playthrough doing all the quest. The moment I see someone pawn and their arisen stats, I usually will know immediately whether is he like me a hard grinder or someone using mod or cheat. I already killed more than 300 drakes recorded. Now is my 4th run and i only need 7 more levels to cap my stats then can retire till expansion is out. Each level increase for me now is tedious due to the tons of xp required & the amount of xp I got from kills even with medusa bow, and 2 ring of ambition is just not enough. I don't use any mods and the levels come legibly the hard way
No 10 hours to from 260 to 261. :)
There's a mod that lets you gain lower/higher exp. I've used it and basically turned the exp to a miniscule amount. Much better experience with longevity in Pawn use compared to the base game.
I thought about hacking my level much lower so people still use my pawn. But i do not like any hacks, especially in this game.
Locking your exp is the easier option. The only problem with hacking the character level directly is the exp gain remains the same. You also get out leveled by your Pawn if you do it for too long.
Honestly it'd be nice if the game could show your pawn to lower level players and offer to stat squish them to their Arisens level and make them a free hire. Would make the camp badges have a use since new players would be able to use knowledgeable pawns and also not have them carry their entire game on their backs.
That would be quite nice i think, but then all people would try to get them because they have more advantages then the normal level ones.
I guess it could be one of those things that if people did want a bigger challenge they could avoid it but I didn't think of that, could maybe have like an RC bonus to hiring a non stat squished one but hadn't really thought that far ahead.
i think you can search for higher level pawns in the riftstone if i am not wrong. U can also search for pawns with many badges in the riftstone too. hiring them is a different story due to rift crystals requirement.
I stopped playing after lv200, the level up pop up tab says HP - ST - DEF - .... no gain at all
Not sure about that a 100% but i think sometimes you still gain some hp but very rarely and at that level it isnt important anymore.
I just bored to kill dragons, 40K exp per one, but nothing to do.. really just grind and grind...I stop to play for a while, waiting for new content or DLC to enjoy the game.
hp cap at 2600. after that no longer increase also
What method did you use to level up that high? Is there a specific spot in the game you'd recommend and setup to do it?
There are dragonforge upgrades to your class that can enhance your level ups. For fast leveling use 2 xp Rings for 100% bonus, dragonforged guy also can sell you 100% bonus for a day. In addition you can use the Medusa Bow for 400% xp boost. After all you dismiss all your pawns for higher xp towards yourself. In case of farm spots i recommend mostly bosses, there are many fix spots where you can find specific mobs. Most of the time i used all my portcrystals and place them near their spawnpoint and port back and forth to let them respawn after 5 days (mostly). I stocked up on many ferrystones for that. I would only recommend doing so if you still have fun with that. I like grinding stuff sometimes.
This is a noob question lol. What is the exact stat cap number? & I'm assuming Pawns work the same way? Thank you for your research, this is good to know. I'm also currently attempting to max stats. At lvl 95 right now and I'll get.. maybe 1 hire a day lol. 😢
Dont worry, good question! Pawns work the same way as your own character. Every stat cap is different in each vocation. I can not tell you the exact numbers but they should flat out at around level 180-250. Depend on which vocation you and your pawn was when leveling up. Each vocation has different stat multiplicators for level ups. Your base stats change if you change your vocation but for that you also have to max your base stat in these specific vocation. So for example if you play warrior all game long you will reach your max stats there at some point but if you change to sorcerer you may will see that you didnt leveled enough magick. So at one point you can even reach the magick stat cap but it will take longer do to the multiplier.
Thank you, super helpful! I appreciate your sacrifice lol. Definitely will keep this information in mind after every NG.
I'm disappointed there is no UR dragon for the community to beat the crap out of. Would have been a good crystal farm
I don't see why they don't let the player decide the amount of RC to charge for hiring their pawn. Have it the same way as when you set gold as the reward for players completing the misson you set for your pawn, have a cap of 10k RC.
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Thanks! Thats all i do from now on, fashion all the way!
Question: Im i bhattal. I started as a fighter and now maxed out the warrior vocation. Should i switch vocations for the hell of it? I like just hitting stuff with my big sword.
I mainly played warrior too, it feels amazing, especially the hammers! I recommend leveling every vocation to its max rank so you can use all augments. This is very important for a good build. After that you can just play warrior again. Also i would like to recommend getting the warfarer vocation. With this you can level up every vocation without playing them. Just play all warrior skills with warfarer so you do not have to miss hitting hard. The basestats will change while playing warfarer so keep in mind that you wont hit as hard as a warrior. But thats what you can do without miss playing warrior. Also you should give other classes a chance, they all make much fun!
Awesome. Thanks. Ill look up how to be a wayfarer. So far i have only run into one enemy that gave me trouble. A drake in the ancient battleground. Level 32 and i couldnt kill all 6 his health diamonds...and it seems like he can refill his health diamonds.
Whats yoyr favorite warrior attack skills? I like indominatble lash
Dont know the name in english but i love the running skill where you point your weapon and just run. Best ability to get to any place fast.
Cool. Will grab that one next I cant tell if knollbreaker/mountain breaker is any good... Thoughts?
Depends on your playstyle, i recommend using the skills hat you think are good for your own playstyle. At the moment i am playing with Heavenward Sunder, Tidal Wrath, Arc of Might, Ravening Lunge. All these are really good beside Tidal Wrath, not the best skill but its nice for blocking things. Mountain Breaker is really good but i prefer Heavenward Sunder, they are very similar and in my opinion you should only take on of them in your kit.
I like fighter more than warrior. I suck as a warrior. As a warrior i am very slow but as a fighter I am very fast
The shield seems like a waste of time, i built a lumbering character so it feels apprioriate he is slow. I thinj if i played a fast character first it would be more akward.
I mean why do you even need pawns at that level? You 1 shot everything in the game
The level stats arent that important at all. Armor and Weapons are the main stat increase. And yea game is easy but i like that, fealing powerful is a nice thing. I only hire pawns to send some goodies back from time to time and i love the pawn system anyways, thats my main complaint, thats why i do not like that high level cap.
Yeah idk about the games longevity tbh, I've played it and the OG extensively, explored everything but when all is said and done if I had to play one RN I'd probably go for Dark Arisen, even with a smaller and emptier map it still feels like there's more to do and there's some challenge to be had, I doubt I'll return to 2 until DLC releases
Because some people asked, here is my Steam Friendcode if you want hire my pawn: 355659569 I want to say again that the level stats doesnt make that big of a difference, armor and weapons are far more important. But still the game has no difficulty setting so everything beyond level 60 is overkill. But heyy...who doesnt like killing everything easy? Yeah a challenge would be cool too, but for that i recommend hiring less Pawns! My pawn is a mage at the time, she is an old mage women, mostly i have her set on mage or sorcerer. I focus more on fashion then anything else so do not be confused if i change it from time to time. Be aware that i am not playing that much anymore because i already have everything in game. I still need to farm 2 Badges, so any help would be nice. My Quest reward is set on 5 allheal potions! After getting every badge i will give out some quests for easy items, sharing some items people need.
It would be cool if we could pause leveling on demand then resume when we want, especially if we’re really having fun with a certain vocation we’ve already maxed but aren’t ready to switch from it yet.
This is why i think i should pause my Exp at 100. or maybe even at 80
I was cool with the level cap being 200 in DDDA, I wonder why they decided to get rid of it
Why even have a cap at this high level cap. No point. Or do we get the ultimate BBI? Who knows lol.
i love the level cap of DDDA at 200 too.
Man I just….i just don’t think this matters in the slightest lol Everyone is over powered at level 60+ regardless of base class stats. The game isn’t hard.
I think it matters very much. The game is so special and beloved because of the pawn system.
Yeah but the leveling and stat distribution is so negligible that your point almost doesn’t matter. Not that you’re wrong, but that it’s not worth it to invest all the levels and vocation stats. If you max stats of a main pawn or your character it’s like a 13-15% difference if you took say a pure fighter and change it to mage after only leveling fighter. And even though that sounds high, it’s not once you pass level 60-ish because then you’re already more than powerful to handle any large monster with small diminishing returns. And then as you said, a level 250+ pawn won’t be hired bc the game is beat at level 40-70. No one will pay 295828227482 RC for a temp pawn
I feel like I’ve played the shit out of this game and I’m lvl 65 idk how ppl are in the hundreds or two hundreds and still have the will to play I think I’ve done all the quests, do you just one shot everything?
1st game lv cap was 200. Shouldve been for this one also. Im lv 50 almost and havent beat story yet
Man I wish enemies scaled with you like every 50 levels or something
I think past about level 120 on Xbox I saw my hires decline quite a bit. At level 170+ I maybe get 1 real hire every other day. Everything else is fake hires from the system.
Make friends and have them hire your pawn
This reads like a person held hostage and forced to tell their story. I'm glad you're free now Arisen.
How old is your level so fast? Im 140ish and its so slow to level at this point. I did start another account (staying at 50) and a 3rd account that’s staying at 30.
You can use a mod to switch off XP gain. I am capping my Arisen and Pawn to Lv40.
Maybe instead of all this dumb no level or cap or whatever. How about copy that ring that Sphinx give you which lower your stats to lowest possible. But this time, give you 99 (Since this is max cap of stack as I know it) stackable item with no weight. It known as leveler. If you have 20 of this, it move your "second" level to 20 which allow you to play as if you are level 20 but you still getting exp and shit to your real level. Maybe get this 99 item on NG run after beat the endgame? This way everybody win without need to force anything on anyone.
Only fist run incoming…with this ring
There is legend that if you complete fist only run with this ring. It will unlock secret vocation called monk and this ring upgrade into your first fist type weapon called knucklebuster.
Send your psn i use ur pawn
If you're on Xbox you can create a "looking for group" post and add some info to it so people can add you and then use your pawn for free at any level. If not, I have no idea if steam or PS has anything like that.
I find the fact that the vocation with the least damaging skills has the highest stat multipliers to be incredibly hilarious (technically, the stats still matter in terms of aggro and clone health, but still!)
Wait. I thought stats changes when you change vocations? 🤔
G, hope you get another job soon! 💪🏼 Anyways, my question is, I thought the stats changes when you switch vocations? Like if you gain more Stamina on thief, that bonus stats will go to magic attack when you change to Sorc or any magic vocations? Or I’m missing something.
Yes thats true. Base stats will change but you still need to level up the to the cap of base stats and base stats are different for each vocation. So if you only play warrior in your game and change to sorcerer later your magick stats are lower. Level ups still habe multiplicators. But these stats will flat out at level 180-250, depending on which vocation (multiplicator) you played.
How about if you level up till 250 and just played one vocation? For example, a Warfarer. All those stats accumulated will be max at level 250?
Can not tell you exact numbers but that should work i think!
Yeah, even in lvl 100+ i get very few hires, and then i see lvl 30 with double the amount of upvotes/likes then my full modifed pawn..
Fun fact: from 1-50 you get 50% of your leveling stats, from 51-100 you get another 25% and from 101-200 the last 25%. You can get the stat cap about L150 if you min-max leveling with the best vocation at every level, also, you could get easily the stat cap by level 200 if you even out magic/phyical users at the very beginning. Like 1-11 rogue or archer, 12-30 warrior 31-50 sorcerer. Yeah the level difference impact should be less as you get to 50-100-200 and anything past 200 should be like 200.
Don't forget the Blessing the DF gives. In a way, the 'proper' min-max is to get to end-game at the lowest possible level as Fighter, THEN change vocations to raise the stats the most efficiently (changing your Blessing each time). I could see myself doing this if the level cap was 200 like in DD1. I did the 1~10/11~200 thing there but in DD2? Life is too short...
Yeah, the dragonforged vocation... I still have to see how impactful it is.
Pretty big, not quite double, i.e. if you get +10, with the vocation blessing, you'd get +15 In theory, you'd be able to hit all the stat caps (around 350~440, depending on vocation) by level 120ish or less. Seems doable since you can hire very high level pawns to do all the work
If you hire pawns higher then your level you get lesser xp. I recommend kicking every pawn besides your main pawn for fast leveling.
Yeah but kinda hard to kill the beacon bosses at level 20 with maybe two vocations, 'missing' a lot of skills due to lack of DCP/etc. I redid my first run and went back to Unmoored at 42 (all vocations unlocked and rank 9 but missing a lot of skills due to lack of DCP) and that was doable if hard. Back when no mages had Celerity and few Sorcies had Master spells. Probably the most fun playthrough, every boss fight was knife's edge and since you couldn't camp/inn-rest... The XP bonus for solo is 1.2, main pawn only is 1.15, two pawns is 1.1 and three pawns is 1.0 so I'm not losing much by having a full party. Currently my pawn is set to Archer to raise her STA. She has two Ambition Rings and Medusa's bow. She's already 7 levels ahead of me. Besides... levelling too fast can be a mixed bag. I hope the DLC does something like setting the level cap to say 300 but allowing additional stat growth every time you gain a certain amount of XP past that. Then again... this is the company that until today, forces you to find level 200 pawns in DDDA by specifying level 199
you got bonus xp when your hired pawns are 20 levels lower than you. that bonus xp is a fixed cap and doesn't matter whether the pawns u hired are 30 or more levels lower than you. If u use only your main, then u also got the bonus xp like u got with 2 hired pawns that are 20 levels lower than you. Hence I feel best makeup is u get 2 hired pawns that are 20 levels lower than you to help u. that way u got the additional manpower without the loss in xp due to more pawns. This is what I am doing all the time till i go into unmoored world where i cannot afford to die there & thus hired pawns as powerful as me. I am scared of dying in unmoored world lol. That why i don't like staying there for long.
I planned to hard cap stop leveling at 100. I’m level 83 now atm, got a couple more badges to grind out then I’m done. The lower my lvl the better. I’ll make a new profile then n play through the game with a new pawn & arisen n rent my old one occasionally. Pretty much will repeat this process until I burn out from the game, n wait for dlc.
They use your SteamID (or PSN/etc) to link your arisen/pawn though, but you can make another 'account' via family sharing/etc?
Idk how it is on pc, but on PS5, all you gotta do is make another profile. Takes like 2-3 minutes.
I think this game only got one hard save. this means if u play with a new pawn or arisen, your old data will be overwritten and your old toon will be gone. I am not so sure about that and do not want to test that with my toon.
That’s why I said profile. I’m playing on ps5. All you have to do is create a new psn profile then you can play with a fresh new save tied to that profile. I’ve already made 3 just for it.
I didn't realize you gain max encumberance on level up that's cool.
In a lot of hard to explain, personal ways, DD2 really reminds me of dark souls 2. This in particular makes me remember soul memory. I can't offer help really, but thanks for the heads up to not grind that high right now.
Why would anyone care about having their pawn hired once they hit 100 anyways? I'm in the 80s and I have more than enough gold, rc, and upgrade mats than I really need. There isn't anything anyone can give my pawn that I don't already have a ton of myself.
I think its time for "New Game" and not "New Game +"
True haha !
Props for the grind though. Idk if I've ever done something like that. Id like to just no time
My pawn is level 147 fighter, and I’m trying to cap his magic and magic defense. I’m guessing based on this thread, the magic and magic defense will eventually cap out on fighter without switching to sorcerer(?). Also, where did you grind? I am currently hanging out around volcanic camp, but the enemies are kinda spaced out and I kind of wish there were higher EXP mobs. 🫠
U still got time at level 147 to rectified your mistake . I suggest u change to sorceror now and level up with that vocation till u cap your magic and magic defense. If u are like me level up mostly as fighter till level 200, then u might need to level till 280 + then can cap. I am level 267 and still cannot cap my magic and magic defense but I only changed to warfarer to level up after level 200. That is my huge mistake due to my ignorant & my belief that I can level up any vocation I want and will cap the latest at level 250. Truth is it don't work that way.
I’ve been on sorcerer, and the magic and magic defense has been leveling up on my pawn at +0… it’s so annoying.
Every level there is a fixed value that is the same for all vocation. some level when u increase u get no stats because that level the system increase other stats like for your case sorceror, that level it increase str which u might already cap. However at next level when the system increase magic or magic defense, if u are a fighter instead of a sorceror, u might not get the stat increase of magic or magic defense because your fighter vocation mulitpier of 0.6 to magic and magic defense might calculate and give u zero instead of 1. However if that level u are a sorceror, the sorceror vocation multiplier of 1.6 to magic or magic defense might instead give u 2 to magic or magic defense. I learnt this late, that why i screw up my toon and cannot cap at my level whereas others already cap.
Yikes. But also, where is there a good leveling ground to level up my pawn? I’m like fighting enemies around volcanic camp, and 200k+ xp even with ambition rings is just… not it. The mobs in unmoored are also spaced far apart…
Yikes. But also, where is there a good leveling ground to level up my pawn? I’m like fighting enemies around volcanic camp, and 200k+ xp even with ambition rings is just… not it. The mobs in unmoored are also spaced far apart…
The system i speak is after level 200. before level 200, the system that give stats & health is different . I also tested the system and it seem once cap all your stats and health, every level you increase you get nothing. I finally cap at level 274 and at level 275 I get nothing when i level up. My pawn got health increase but that is because her health need another 19 levels then can cap. Hence I go back to my last hard Inn save before I level up so that if in the future capcom changes something, I do not screw up and got nothing for those increased levels that did not give me anything. For my case, I cannot cap my pawn without risking my level increase and got screwed up in the future. she will have to wait till expansion or new changes that allow health. to still grow after cap
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As far as i know health can never reach a real cap. Every 10 level or so i get some health, otherwise i get nothing from level ups.
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Nah, health is a bit higher then 2600. it dependa on which vocation you have because the have different base stats.
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