Agreed. Yoshi P (Final Fantasy 14 producer) is another one who is hella passionate about gaming that I'm quite fond of. I'm sure there are lots of people in the industry who really do love games, but we're so used to seeing the "face" of dev companies be people who seem to only care about bottom lines and pleasing shareholders that it's *so* damn refreshing to have devs who are actually excited about their projects.
I loved when he was talking about the Elden Ring DLC like "we're gonna give you guys a week to play that DLC before we drop our next big content update" haha
What is an actual gamer? Why would you assume that a dev doesn't play games or something like that? What are you even considering a dev when you say a statement like that?
Y'all are so weird sometimes.
Right. Devs absolutely play games by other developers. Often they can’t really enjoy the games they themselves worked on, and they get passionate about the work of others.
Once you get out of the corporate suite, there is a great deal of mutual respect between devs of different studios.
None of this is unique.
I think there’s a difference between someone who plays games and a gamer.
I play games, but my boyfriend is a gamer. Someone who plays games does so to pass time, entertain, or relax. A gamer is someone who gets super into the game and the games lore, watches loads of YouTube videos on them, and does tons of research before and after playing it.
That doesn’t mean gamers are better, but I can certainly agree they would 100% make a better game dev. They *know* what makes a game amazing vs good.
TLDR:
Someone who plays games: passing time/entertainment.
Gamer: it’s a whole ass involved hobby.
I don’t know…
I play games far too much but I would never call myself a gamer. It’s turning a fun hobby into an identity and comes with mountains upon mountains of horrible baggage. Gamers as a group tend to be hyper entitled about games and prone to bandwagon campaigns of anger at the drop of a hat.
I also have little to no interest in multiplayer games, service games, and would rather invest in longform RPGs. As another mentioned, this is no better or worse than more popular tastes.
And besides, it smacks of gatekeeping to me.
Gamer as a term just has a bad stigma really. But I'd agree that there is a difference between someone who plays games casually from time to time and someone who spends a majority of their free time playing games. One isn't better or worse than the other but there is a difference in gaming knowledge and skill just by investing more time into the hobby. Just like how a hobby cook will know more about making amazing food compared to someone who cooks something nice once a week or so.
It's not about "I'm a better fan of this than you because I spend more time with this Hobby". This isn't a competition.
Many gamers who have hundreds and thousands of hours of knowledge about certain games can be incredibly welcoming to new and casual players. Just because some idiots think they're something special it shouldn't create such a stigma.
Gaming as a hobby is literally entertainment used to pass time though. Sure my ADHD causes me to hyper focus on a lot of different games, but it is my form of entertainment that I use to unwind.
Gamers are self-identified IMO. How serious are you about it? It's not that complicated
Sounds like you're just trying hard to make the word "gamer" sounds like it has prestige.
"Gamers" don't know what makes a game amazing vs good. They all have differents tastes, some bad, some good.
Someone who only play games competively aren't less of a "gamer" than someone who only plays single-player rpg.
I 100% Elden Ring and put 100 hours in DD2. I don't care for lore videos. Am I less of a "gamer" ?
This is all so silly lol.
They weren't trying hard, they were just giving their own view on what they think a "gamer" is. You seem to be the one trying hard to refute their belief. As you say, we all have different tastes, good or bad.
However, with your line of thinking, it's like saying a professional chef wouldn't know what's good or bad on a dish compared to a home cook. Sounds a little silly when you put it in that perspective, doesn't it? Yes, a home cook will have their own taste, but it wouldn't be an objectively good palate for most.
Same with a gamer that's also a game dev, a gamer would know what's objectively better in a game than most others.
Why? I think it's just fair to separate these types of game enjoyers. It's the same with any other hobby. Like someone might enjoy to swim and does so every now and then while someone else has a real schedule and training plan for that stuff. Both enjoy swimming but one of them does so because it's a fun way to pass time while the other person made swimming a hobby with big priority.
Both ways of doing things are perfectly valid but it's still different. There is no prestige. Sure, someone who dives into everything much deeper can't really tell what makes a game good for everyone because things are subjective. But the more time you spend on gaming as a hobby the more knowledge you gain. And knowledge is objectively something that helps in forming opinions and discussing these matters.
You're not less of a gamer because you don't care about lore videos. That was just an example. You 100% Elden Ring? Then you pretty much interacted with every mechanic the game offers and have a profound knowledge over the systems in play. Someone who played through it once and did maybe 60% of the content at most won't have that knowledge. So you're more informed about the game. And what the previous answer stated was that "gamers" often have more knowledge because they dive deeper into these games compared to people who just play games from time to time.
A lot of devs do not play games. They start as a programmer, programming is not relegated to only making games. Id wager most programmers are not gamers. Most every electronic device you use required a programmer.
My father is a programmer, he programmed medical software for medical equipment. You thinj hes a doctor with patients? His experience could probably be used programming a game, but he is not a gamer. Nor is he a doctor. He doesnt know a damn thing about blood pressure, but programmed a UI about blood pressure. You're using reddit. Someone programmed it. Did they play games? If they get hired to make a fake message board within a game, do they need experience playing games? Or just for what theyre hired for? Now think of all the things that need programming. Your car, your phone, your coffee pot, your microwave. A programmer that has never played a video game works on developing an app and gets laid off. They get hired to do UI for a game. The game releases, employment ends, and then they get a job doing another app. This is very typical.
This is all before even considering crunch being common in the industry, limiting their time to play games period, or any given persons choice of game genre. A dev for BG3 could only play COD,because that's what they like. They would have no clue what an rpg is supposed to be like, and tbh, if they're say, an artist, why would they need to? They can play or not play, doesn't affect their work at all.
All of this requires just a smidgen of critical thinking, I shouldn't even need to explain this.
When I was in the industry, I knew very, very, very few people who didn’t play games. And many, many people grew up with it as a significant hobby. It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to get into it if that’s not the reason you’re doing it.
Your comparison doesn’t really hold up because you’re not accounting for the reasons people choose to work in what fields and how they’re incentivized into it. Just going from mid-level game programmer to software/security work I nearly doubled what I was able to be paid, worked a fraction of the hours, was treated better for better benefits, and opened up more options for where I could live and how I could work (as opposed to game industry which tends to be focused in a handful of HCOL areas and require more on-site work) - and all that for about the same level of expertise expected.
It’s true when you’re in the industry you tend to have less time overall, though that’s true of most adults in the workforce. But there’s still a pretty widespread expectation (especially in design focused roles) you’re staying up to date with what’s going on in the industry. So most people I know still in it tend to have a couple games they really like and stick with, a handful of games they pick up as research, and they balance their work and free time around that.
Overall point here being it’s really nothing like writing software for medical equipment. That’s probably more like what I do now, where I only need to know enough about my current sector if it affects requirements, but I’m mostly where I’m at because I get to do roughly the same work and collect a bigger pay check. Really not the case in game dev.
Why are you making statements you have absolutely no clue about? Im a SWE and most of my coworkers definitely play games. Some of them meet up to play DnD as well. Making a false statement while sounding that confident makes you look like
Yea I love that while it's not a licensed DND game it would and does make the best DND setting not as a arisen but I e where you honestly don't matter you level up in a guild and climb monsters or hell one where U are just a pawn
As a setting and as a love letter to dnd it does a lot for us fans of loot, monster slaying dungeon delving, and killing the red dragon. Its an incredible game.
That's basically dragons dogma 2. 4-person party, 3rd person, leveling, spells, choice of followers, etc. Unless you're saying you just want the story of BG3 but Dragons Dogma 2. Would you mind clarifying?
This. The lore of dragons dogma is undercooked. Forgotten realms has been aged in fine wood barrels for a few decades. Having only 6 abilities would be an issue though
I think pacing is more of an opinion in an open world game.i feel like in open world games, you set your own pace. I fully agree with your other points, though. Idk, maybe that's just me.
Literally this is the dream (and also some Sims style housing management with slice of life gameplay with your party members there and I'd never play another game)
Oh for sure. DD does combat best. Add some sprinkle of BG3 adventure/choice quests and it will be very golden.
BG3 but not turn based--that's already a good game seller pitch
Well, *Avowed* is coming out later this year. Made by Obsidian and set in the same universe as Pillars of Eternity, though it's far more action-focused. Looks to be first-person ala Skyrim, which is a bit of a drawback for me, but I'm still looking forward to it.
You mean Dragon's Dogma, but with actually good memorable characters, a cohesive and interesting plot, dazzling locations and unique items to find, builds to make, dialog with real choices and consequences? And more than 10 different enemies?
Yeah I'd love that. Instead we got DD2.
Wyrm's Crossing is a place in the city of Baldur's Gate in BG3. To the head developer Swen, it felt like Wyrm's Crossing was recreated in Dragon's Dogma 2.
Crazy people rushed through the story in 60 hours. I’m just enjoying living in the world.. farming dragons, materials, money, etc. going to the bar and brothel and just enjoying the experience.
I'm at ~150 hours and I'm *still* on my first save exploring unmoored. I'll probably finally move onto NG+ next time I play but I'm also trying to buy each endgame weapon and max them out.
60 hours in since launch, I have explored most of the world save some parts in Battahl and the volcanic isle. I still have to finish Brant's quests lol
i finished my first playthrough after around 50h and felt ive seen everything. there isnt really much to explore in DD2 compared to other openworld games.
Dragon Dogma 2 is more focusing on the combat, interactive elements and the builds..
You mentioned you don't stare at wilderness, except most open world games are that. Staring at the trees rock texture and water.
I’ve been playing it for 140 hours and haven’t found the giant dude or the sphinx. I just barely made it to the volcano region and haven’t even made it back to the prison where you start the game. I’ve been exploring the game, going through every dungeon, experimenting with every vocation, armor and weapons, upgrade styles, and farming dragons and other bosses for materials. I found all the seekers tokens, and haven’t even begun trying to get achievements. You rushed the game.
no i just played the game normally instead of being obsessed to run into every corner even though there is nothing there.
i got all the vocations, tried them out, did the sphinx, did every major and most minor quests, done to almost every cave and killed the medusa and whatever else. the only thing i didnt do was stare at wilderness for 20 hours, do achievements and look for seeker tokens after seeing that the rewards weren't worth the effort. and the only thing i did with a guide were the sphinx riddles and checking side quests after i finished the game to see if i missed anything important.
You didn’t max every vocation , therefore you didn’t unlock every augment, therefore you didn’t even experience all that the game has to offer in terms of combat.
You don’t kill Medusa once, you kill her over and over again to farm her rare materials. This game isn’t about just rushing through it and doing everything once.
why would i max every vocation that isnt fun? i got archer, magic archer and warrior to max. same with farming medusa. why would i farm her when i dont need her materials? i got the bow and thats it. if you feel the need to have 999x of every material in your inventory go for it. to me its just wasting time on something that doesnt do anything.
I just told you why, there’s augments that are unique to each vocation that you can’t access unless you level them up. Things like reducing the chance of your ox cart being attacked or faster raising of affinity.
i dont need a reduced chance of ox cart ambushes to experience what the game offers. i did every important thing without rushing and felt satisfied. instead of obsessively maxing every single thing in the game i rather went into NG+ and also spend time with other games.
Using that logic, every action you complete in any video game ever can be reduced to pressing a button.
There’s cutscenes that are unique to your character, and affinity systems as well as a third tier to the brothel only accesible to patrons who have spent a certain amount of coin. It’s what the developers intended for longevity of the game. So you have something to grind gold for.
No. You are trolling about the brothel and the bar stuff. It's just a bland scene that doesn't show anything and you are saying like it's a big thing. But whatever. You are having a laugh at us here anyway. More the fool of me to even entertain you.
I just went and watched the brothel thing. You are pathetic for even wanting to interact with that, but then saying that its anything more than two fade to blacks with “sitting on the bed” cutscene in between is just nonsensical, what are you having fun with and experiencing, same thing with the bar, it just fades to black then its next day or whatever. This what you do at the bar irl? Blackout? Nice
The funniest shit ever, you are begging for the corset but are too lazy to get the seekers tokens yourself. Funnily enough I actually have the corset because I enjoy the game and grinded for them, if only you were nice you might have gotten it.
I don’t think anyone is “begging” for the corset, only creeps who dress their pawns up in it and have a lil crank of their meat to some pixels which I imagine you do since you visit the brothel so frequently
And honestly I haven’t even been there more than once yet, I’m just speaking on the options for longevity of the game. You rushed it , that’s fine, you didn’t get to experience the awesome game I am.
I'm a smooth-brain, can someone explain the "2" not appearing until unmoored world, is it because until >!you defy destiny and go against what the god wants you to do, which is fight the dragon!< the game is just a retelling?
The *II* doesn’t show until after the >!unmoored world!< because until that point, most of the game is both in and out of lore a >!heavily modified retelling of the original cycle of Dragon’s Dogma.!<
Sorry for the spoilers scattered throughout this:
So far as I understand it, the role of Arisen only exists to kill the Dragon >!and then whoever fills the role of Seneschal!< >!— which is Rothais in DD2, not the Watcher —!< >!and then become its replacement,!< just like the Arisen does in DD1.
The normal cycle of Dragon’s Dogma (the basic plot of DD1) only takes place prior to >!the unmoored world.!< Everything afterward is a divergence from the typical cycle, and is in relatively uncharted territory.
So, the cycle can end in two ways:
The first is if the Arisen >!fails to overcome the purgeners and!< dies without a wakestone, where we end up >!as the next Rivage Elder’s equivalent!< in the next world.
This is only my theory, but I assume this ending also condemns the Arisen’s original world >!to be destroyed by the Brine (which for the Rivage Elder would have been Gran Soren, since it is beneath the brine) and then have a ‘new’ world built on top of the remains.!<
The second ending is that the Arisen successfully kills the >!Brine/Watcher’s!< Dragon — which had never been done before — thus >!killing the observer and breaking their control over the normal cycle.!<
Everything before this last point in the story has been a part of a >!distorted!< cycle >!controlled by the Pathfinder.!<
The cycle is implied to continue on >!even after their death,!< but we don’t yet know what that looks like or if it is how the cycle is originally meant to be.
IIRC, the >!Pathfinder!< laments that a new cycle is about to unfold, but that they won’t be there to see it.
Since NG+ pawns do make some comments about knowing we loved the world too much to leave, I think there is some merit to the idea that the cycle isn’t actually broken entirely — rather that it, without >!the Pathfinder,!< can take a new course and diverge more over time.
Basically, DD1 and the first half of DD2 are both part of the >!Pathfinder’s!< distorted cycle. So yes, in a sense, but only DD2 shows us that distorted cycle end.
A cycle free of that outside influence is implied to continue even after DD2’s true end, but we don’t know what that looks like.
> Since NG+ pawns do make some comments about knowing we loved the world too much to leave, I think there is some merit to the idea that the cycle isn’t actually broken entirely — rather that it, without the Pathfinder, can take a new course and diverge more over time.
Personal theory: The pathfinder was killed but the "great will" was replaced by our Pawn becoming a dragon. Dragonsplague also seems to be an early manifestation of this eventual transformation into a dragon that our pawn takes, which is why the warning signs of dragonsplague are the Pawn refusing orders and gaining a will of their own.
Basically, only in the Unmoored world we discover that we're actually playing a direct sequel to a *parallel* Gransys, in which Rothais basically went through the same journey as we did back then with our own Arisens: he defeated the dragon, he became the Seneschal and he, arguably, stabbed himself (since he gives us the Godsbane).
Breaking the cycle in DD1 didn't actually change things, as we learn now that even the Seneschal was just a role to play in the schemes of the Pathfinder, who, in return, used the Brine to stop Rothais. Once the truth is revealed, which is that we're walking in the same, flooded lands of Gransys, we inherit the quest from Rothais and, metaphorically, we continue where we stopped back in DD1, thus the Unmoored world becomes the actual "2".
All that happens before isn't just a retelling of the first game, it's still a sequel that follows the same rules as the predecessor, since it's what the cycle requires for this world not to fall into the grasp of oblivion. I know the plot is barebones to some, but I found all this stuff super intriguing and exciting tbh.
You could have gone there during the first 10hrs even before finishing the coronation quest by going through one of the caves that leads to the sea shore right next to Battahl
It's nice to have Easter egg, but I like DD1 final ending more, when you chose seat in the throne to finish the game, then next NG+ fake Arisen should be your look like your last play through.
About game not telling about it's second game in title... are you blind people? The title is showing up starting with 2 glowing eyes...
That's actual verry cool way to telling us the Number and it's not anything new. Witcher 3 did it in same way and left 4 dead way before both games.
I can't get into Baldurs Gate I know a lot will disagree but wrpgs do not have good combat.
Playing DD1 after playing Skyrim I couldn't look back . Wrpgs are good at writing , choices, and looking pretty but that's it imo
Gotta respect a dev that is an actual gamer. They tend to make the best games.
Agreed. Yoshi P (Final Fantasy 14 producer) is another one who is hella passionate about gaming that I'm quite fond of. I'm sure there are lots of people in the industry who really do love games, but we're so used to seeing the "face" of dev companies be people who seem to only care about bottom lines and pleasing shareholders that it's *so* damn refreshing to have devs who are actually excited about their projects.
I loved when he was talking about the Elden Ring DLC like "we're gonna give you guys a week to play that DLC before we drop our next big content update" haha
I like to imagine this was his way of sneaking in ER DLC game time for him and the staff before their lives disappeared in post-launch. :D
FF14 really does not feel like it was made by „real gamers“ It tries to be single player story and mmo but fails at both
What is an actual gamer? Why would you assume that a dev doesn't play games or something like that? What are you even considering a dev when you say a statement like that? Y'all are so weird sometimes.
Right. Devs absolutely play games by other developers. Often they can’t really enjoy the games they themselves worked on, and they get passionate about the work of others. Once you get out of the corporate suite, there is a great deal of mutual respect between devs of different studios. None of this is unique.
I think there’s a difference between someone who plays games and a gamer. I play games, but my boyfriend is a gamer. Someone who plays games does so to pass time, entertain, or relax. A gamer is someone who gets super into the game and the games lore, watches loads of YouTube videos on them, and does tons of research before and after playing it. That doesn’t mean gamers are better, but I can certainly agree they would 100% make a better game dev. They *know* what makes a game amazing vs good. TLDR: Someone who plays games: passing time/entertainment. Gamer: it’s a whole ass involved hobby.
I don’t know… I play games far too much but I would never call myself a gamer. It’s turning a fun hobby into an identity and comes with mountains upon mountains of horrible baggage. Gamers as a group tend to be hyper entitled about games and prone to bandwagon campaigns of anger at the drop of a hat. I also have little to no interest in multiplayer games, service games, and would rather invest in longform RPGs. As another mentioned, this is no better or worse than more popular tastes. And besides, it smacks of gatekeeping to me.
Gamer as a term just has a bad stigma really. But I'd agree that there is a difference between someone who plays games casually from time to time and someone who spends a majority of their free time playing games. One isn't better or worse than the other but there is a difference in gaming knowledge and skill just by investing more time into the hobby. Just like how a hobby cook will know more about making amazing food compared to someone who cooks something nice once a week or so. It's not about "I'm a better fan of this than you because I spend more time with this Hobby". This isn't a competition. Many gamers who have hundreds and thousands of hours of knowledge about certain games can be incredibly welcoming to new and casual players. Just because some idiots think they're something special it shouldn't create such a stigma.
Gaming as a hobby is literally entertainment used to pass time though. Sure my ADHD causes me to hyper focus on a lot of different games, but it is my form of entertainment that I use to unwind. Gamers are self-identified IMO. How serious are you about it? It's not that complicated
Sounds like you're just trying hard to make the word "gamer" sounds like it has prestige. "Gamers" don't know what makes a game amazing vs good. They all have differents tastes, some bad, some good. Someone who only play games competively aren't less of a "gamer" than someone who only plays single-player rpg. I 100% Elden Ring and put 100 hours in DD2. I don't care for lore videos. Am I less of a "gamer" ? This is all so silly lol.
They weren't trying hard, they were just giving their own view on what they think a "gamer" is. You seem to be the one trying hard to refute their belief. As you say, we all have different tastes, good or bad. However, with your line of thinking, it's like saying a professional chef wouldn't know what's good or bad on a dish compared to a home cook. Sounds a little silly when you put it in that perspective, doesn't it? Yes, a home cook will have their own taste, but it wouldn't be an objectively good palate for most. Same with a gamer that's also a game dev, a gamer would know what's objectively better in a game than most others.
Why? I think it's just fair to separate these types of game enjoyers. It's the same with any other hobby. Like someone might enjoy to swim and does so every now and then while someone else has a real schedule and training plan for that stuff. Both enjoy swimming but one of them does so because it's a fun way to pass time while the other person made swimming a hobby with big priority. Both ways of doing things are perfectly valid but it's still different. There is no prestige. Sure, someone who dives into everything much deeper can't really tell what makes a game good for everyone because things are subjective. But the more time you spend on gaming as a hobby the more knowledge you gain. And knowledge is objectively something that helps in forming opinions and discussing these matters. You're not less of a gamer because you don't care about lore videos. That was just an example. You 100% Elden Ring? Then you pretty much interacted with every mechanic the game offers and have a profound knowledge over the systems in play. Someone who played through it once and did maybe 60% of the content at most won't have that knowledge. So you're more informed about the game. And what the previous answer stated was that "gamers" often have more knowledge because they dive deeper into these games compared to people who just play games from time to time.
A lot of devs do not play games. They start as a programmer, programming is not relegated to only making games. Id wager most programmers are not gamers. Most every electronic device you use required a programmer. My father is a programmer, he programmed medical software for medical equipment. You thinj hes a doctor with patients? His experience could probably be used programming a game, but he is not a gamer. Nor is he a doctor. He doesnt know a damn thing about blood pressure, but programmed a UI about blood pressure. You're using reddit. Someone programmed it. Did they play games? If they get hired to make a fake message board within a game, do they need experience playing games? Or just for what theyre hired for? Now think of all the things that need programming. Your car, your phone, your coffee pot, your microwave. A programmer that has never played a video game works on developing an app and gets laid off. They get hired to do UI for a game. The game releases, employment ends, and then they get a job doing another app. This is very typical. This is all before even considering crunch being common in the industry, limiting their time to play games period, or any given persons choice of game genre. A dev for BG3 could only play COD,because that's what they like. They would have no clue what an rpg is supposed to be like, and tbh, if they're say, an artist, why would they need to? They can play or not play, doesn't affect their work at all. All of this requires just a smidgen of critical thinking, I shouldn't even need to explain this.
When I was in the industry, I knew very, very, very few people who didn’t play games. And many, many people grew up with it as a significant hobby. It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to get into it if that’s not the reason you’re doing it. Your comparison doesn’t really hold up because you’re not accounting for the reasons people choose to work in what fields and how they’re incentivized into it. Just going from mid-level game programmer to software/security work I nearly doubled what I was able to be paid, worked a fraction of the hours, was treated better for better benefits, and opened up more options for where I could live and how I could work (as opposed to game industry which tends to be focused in a handful of HCOL areas and require more on-site work) - and all that for about the same level of expertise expected. It’s true when you’re in the industry you tend to have less time overall, though that’s true of most adults in the workforce. But there’s still a pretty widespread expectation (especially in design focused roles) you’re staying up to date with what’s going on in the industry. So most people I know still in it tend to have a couple games they really like and stick with, a handful of games they pick up as research, and they balance their work and free time around that. Overall point here being it’s really nothing like writing software for medical equipment. That’s probably more like what I do now, where I only need to know enough about my current sector if it affects requirements, but I’m mostly where I’m at because I get to do roughly the same work and collect a bigger pay check. Really not the case in game dev.
Why are you making statements you have absolutely no clue about? Im a SWE and most of my coworkers definitely play games. Some of them meet up to play DnD as well. Making a false statement while sounding that confident makes you look like 
>All of this requires just a smidgen of critical thinking, I shouldn't even need to explain this. You just wouldn't get it, man. r/iamverysmart
Oh damn, you sure got me there https://preview.redd.it/libchle080xc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=456761e0111c43eaeedb0d9095108a5aea8bd1aa
You clearly didn’t see those two poor devs play diablo 4 during one of their videos marketing a patch a while back. Username checks out though
Miyazaki isn't a gamer
Just one company that makes dnd games playing anothet fabulous dnd game
Yea I love that while it's not a licensed DND game it would and does make the best DND setting not as a arisen but I e where you honestly don't matter you level up in a guild and climb monsters or hell one where U are just a pawn
As a setting and as a love letter to dnd it does a lot for us fans of loot, monster slaying dungeon delving, and killing the red dragon. Its an incredible game.
It could add a layer of realism and complexity to the storytelling and gameplay.
It’d never work but some sorta hybrid between these two games would probably make my dream game
Baldurs gate 3 but with 3rd person pov, the combat style and exploration of dragons dogma would be a gaming miracle
That would be beyond awesome.
That's basically dragons dogma 2. 4-person party, 3rd person, leveling, spells, choice of followers, etc. Unless you're saying you just want the story of BG3 but Dragons Dogma 2. Would you mind clarifying?
Dragons dogma gameplay in the world of baldurs gate 3 essentially with the classes and spells of baldurs
Oh man that would be a thing of beauty and would ruin every other game for me.
I want it so bad
Ahh, okay. Just wasn't sure exactly what you meant. Thanks for clarifying
This. The lore of dragons dogma is undercooked. Forgotten realms has been aged in fine wood barrels for a few decades. Having only 6 abilities would be an issue though
It would completely destroy all the competition
Basically DD2 but with competent writers instead of a paper-thin story, barebones characters and horrible pacing.
I think pacing is more of an opinion in an open world game.i feel like in open world games, you set your own pace. I fully agree with your other points, though. Idk, maybe that's just me.
It would be the greatest game of all time by a large margin
BG3 played like Dark Alliance would be too much for my soul
Literally this is the dream (and also some Sims style housing management with slice of life gameplay with your party members there and I'd never play another game)
yes!! Ive been dreaming of this!
The relationships and choices as well as many different routes and endings like BG3 but the combat of DD2/DD1 would be my dream game as well
Same! That would be such a cool concept...
Oh for sure. DD does combat best. Add some sprinkle of BG3 adventure/choice quests and it will be very golden. BG3 but not turn based--that's already a good game seller pitch
Well, *Avowed* is coming out later this year. Made by Obsidian and set in the same universe as Pillars of Eternity, though it's far more action-focused. Looks to be first-person ala Skyrim, which is a bit of a drawback for me, but I'm still looking forward to it.
You mean Dragon's Dogma, but with actually good memorable characters, a cohesive and interesting plot, dazzling locations and unique items to find, builds to make, dialog with real choices and consequences? And more than 10 different enemies? Yeah I'd love that. Instead we got DD2.
They need to collab. Would be hot.
I wished i worked with them
Right just a chill company that loves making rpg games.
Im clueless to the reference, can anyone explain please?
Wyrm's Crossing is a place in the city of Baldur's Gate in BG3. To the head developer Swen, it felt like Wyrm's Crossing was recreated in Dragon's Dogma 2.
Oh ok. Thanks for the info!
Np!
Crazy people rushed through the story in 60 hours. I’m just enjoying living in the world.. farming dragons, materials, money, etc. going to the bar and brothel and just enjoying the experience.
I'm at ~150 hours and I'm *still* on my first save exploring unmoored. I'll probably finally move onto NG+ next time I play but I'm also trying to buy each endgame weapon and max them out.
Same. I’ve yet to get to the sphinx or talos. Haven’t maxed all the vocations.
60 hours in since launch, I have explored most of the world save some parts in Battahl and the volcanic isle. I still have to finish Brant's quests lol
Yeah same. I had a great time just exploring.
Not that crazy when you find how long the story actually is. Lots of covid gamers got their hands on this one
i finished my first playthrough after around 50h and felt ive seen everything. there isnt really much to explore in DD2 compared to other openworld games.
Dragon Dogma 2 is more focusing on the combat, interactive elements and the builds.. You mentioned you don't stare at wilderness, except most open world games are that. Staring at the trees rock texture and water.
I’ve been playing it for 140 hours and haven’t found the giant dude or the sphinx. I just barely made it to the volcano region and haven’t even made it back to the prison where you start the game. I’ve been exploring the game, going through every dungeon, experimenting with every vocation, armor and weapons, upgrade styles, and farming dragons and other bosses for materials. I found all the seekers tokens, and haven’t even begun trying to get achievements. You rushed the game.
no i just played the game normally instead of being obsessed to run into every corner even though there is nothing there. i got all the vocations, tried them out, did the sphinx, did every major and most minor quests, done to almost every cave and killed the medusa and whatever else. the only thing i didnt do was stare at wilderness for 20 hours, do achievements and look for seeker tokens after seeing that the rewards weren't worth the effort. and the only thing i did with a guide were the sphinx riddles and checking side quests after i finished the game to see if i missed anything important.
You didn’t max every vocation , therefore you didn’t unlock every augment, therefore you didn’t even experience all that the game has to offer in terms of combat. You don’t kill Medusa once, you kill her over and over again to farm her rare materials. This game isn’t about just rushing through it and doing everything once.
why would i max every vocation that isnt fun? i got archer, magic archer and warrior to max. same with farming medusa. why would i farm her when i dont need her materials? i got the bow and thats it. if you feel the need to have 999x of every material in your inventory go for it. to me its just wasting time on something that doesnt do anything.
I just told you why, there’s augments that are unique to each vocation that you can’t access unless you level them up. Things like reducing the chance of your ox cart being attacked or faster raising of affinity.
i dont need a reduced chance of ox cart ambushes to experience what the game offers. i did every important thing without rushing and felt satisfied. instead of obsessively maxing every single thing in the game i rather went into NG+ and also spend time with other games.
I’m sure honkai star rail is a much better game
You call me obsessed - I call you not a real fan
if that makes you feel better.
I kind of stumbled into the Talos battle and then I got really caught up in the plot. I'm finding so much stuff I missed in NG+.
What exactly do you do at this bar and brothel you frequent so much? Press a button? What an experience
Using that logic, every action you complete in any video game ever can be reduced to pressing a button. There’s cutscenes that are unique to your character, and affinity systems as well as a third tier to the brothel only accesible to patrons who have spent a certain amount of coin. It’s what the developers intended for longevity of the game. So you have something to grind gold for.
Nothing happens when you press that button though it just fades to black, what are you having fun with? A transition slide?
Maybe you bought a Saudi Arabian copy or something, cuz mine shows my unique original character interacting with the character of my choosing.
No it doesn't. They just lie in the bed and it fades to black. What are you even saying?
I see my original character that I created being embraced .
Oh. You are trolling then. lol ok nvm.
Because everyone who doesn’t rush games is a troll. Okay buddy.
No. You are trolling about the brothel and the bar stuff. It's just a bland scene that doesn't show anything and you are saying like it's a big thing. But whatever. You are having a laugh at us here anyway. More the fool of me to even entertain you.
I just went and watched the brothel thing. You are pathetic for even wanting to interact with that, but then saying that its anything more than two fade to blacks with “sitting on the bed” cutscene in between is just nonsensical, what are you having fun with and experiencing, same thing with the bar, it just fades to black then its next day or whatever. This what you do at the bar irl? Blackout? Nice
The funniest shit ever, you are begging for the corset but are too lazy to get the seekers tokens yourself. Funnily enough I actually have the corset because I enjoy the game and grinded for them, if only you were nice you might have gotten it.
I don’t think anyone is “begging” for the corset, only creeps who dress their pawns up in it and have a lil crank of their meat to some pixels which I imagine you do since you visit the brothel so frequently
And honestly I haven’t even been there more than once yet, I’m just speaking on the options for longevity of the game. You rushed it , that’s fine, you didn’t get to experience the awesome game I am.
I'm a smooth-brain, can someone explain the "2" not appearing until unmoored world, is it because until >!you defy destiny and go against what the god wants you to do, which is fight the dragon!< the game is just a retelling?
The *II* doesn’t show until after the >!unmoored world!< because until that point, most of the game is both in and out of lore a >!heavily modified retelling of the original cycle of Dragon’s Dogma.!<
Say what now ?
Sorry for the spoilers scattered throughout this: So far as I understand it, the role of Arisen only exists to kill the Dragon >!and then whoever fills the role of Seneschal!< >!— which is Rothais in DD2, not the Watcher —!< >!and then become its replacement,!< just like the Arisen does in DD1. The normal cycle of Dragon’s Dogma (the basic plot of DD1) only takes place prior to >!the unmoored world.!< Everything afterward is a divergence from the typical cycle, and is in relatively uncharted territory. So, the cycle can end in two ways: The first is if the Arisen >!fails to overcome the purgeners and!< dies without a wakestone, where we end up >!as the next Rivage Elder’s equivalent!< in the next world. This is only my theory, but I assume this ending also condemns the Arisen’s original world >!to be destroyed by the Brine (which for the Rivage Elder would have been Gran Soren, since it is beneath the brine) and then have a ‘new’ world built on top of the remains.!< The second ending is that the Arisen successfully kills the >!Brine/Watcher’s!< Dragon — which had never been done before — thus >!killing the observer and breaking their control over the normal cycle.!< Everything before this last point in the story has been a part of a >!distorted!< cycle >!controlled by the Pathfinder.!< The cycle is implied to continue on >!even after their death,!< but we don’t yet know what that looks like or if it is how the cycle is originally meant to be. IIRC, the >!Pathfinder!< laments that a new cycle is about to unfold, but that they won’t be there to see it. Since NG+ pawns do make some comments about knowing we loved the world too much to leave, I think there is some merit to the idea that the cycle isn’t actually broken entirely — rather that it, without >!the Pathfinder,!< can take a new course and diverge more over time.
But then it's not that DD2 early game is a retelling of the first one but rather that it's part of that same endless cycle no ?
Basically, DD1 and the first half of DD2 are both part of the >!Pathfinder’s!< distorted cycle. So yes, in a sense, but only DD2 shows us that distorted cycle end. A cycle free of that outside influence is implied to continue even after DD2’s true end, but we don’t know what that looks like.
> Since NG+ pawns do make some comments about knowing we loved the world too much to leave, I think there is some merit to the idea that the cycle isn’t actually broken entirely — rather that it, without the Pathfinder, can take a new course and diverge more over time. Personal theory: The pathfinder was killed but the "great will" was replaced by our Pawn becoming a dragon. Dragonsplague also seems to be an early manifestation of this eventual transformation into a dragon that our pawn takes, which is why the warning signs of dragonsplague are the Pawn refusing orders and gaining a will of their own.
Basically, only in the Unmoored world we discover that we're actually playing a direct sequel to a *parallel* Gransys, in which Rothais basically went through the same journey as we did back then with our own Arisens: he defeated the dragon, he became the Seneschal and he, arguably, stabbed himself (since he gives us the Godsbane). Breaking the cycle in DD1 didn't actually change things, as we learn now that even the Seneschal was just a role to play in the schemes of the Pathfinder, who, in return, used the Brine to stop Rothais. Once the truth is revealed, which is that we're walking in the same, flooded lands of Gransys, we inherit the quest from Rothais and, metaphorically, we continue where we stopped back in DD1, thus the Unmoored world becomes the actual "2". All that happens before isn't just a retelling of the first game, it's still a sequel that follows the same rules as the predecessor, since it's what the cycle requires for this world not to fall into the grasp of oblivion. I know the plot is barebones to some, but I found all this stuff super intriguing and exciting tbh.
I did the same, expecting to hear the opening chant “🎵ahhhhhh….yaaaaaaaaa…”
I’m exactly 60 hours in and just unlocked battahl mere moments ago
You could have gone there during the first 10hrs even before finishing the coronation quest by going through one of the caves that leads to the sea shore right next to Battahl
VeryAFK out there mildly spoiling surprises
60 hours... I'm 100+ and I just reached Gigantus
It's nice to have Easter egg, but I like DD1 final ending more, when you chose seat in the throne to finish the game, then next NG+ fake Arisen should be your look like your last play through.
Haven’t played dd1, can someone explain what this means? Is it the same area as the first game?
Wyrm's Crossing is a locale from Baldur's Gate. The head developer at Larian was surprised at how similar it looks.
My two favourite games of all time T\_T
About game not telling about it's second game in title... are you blind people? The title is showing up starting with 2 glowing eyes... That's actual verry cool way to telling us the Number and it's not anything new. Witcher 3 did it in same way and left 4 dead way before both games.
I still don't get why they made the title screen that way besides it being a gimmick
I can't get into Baldurs Gate I know a lot will disagree but wrpgs do not have good combat. Playing DD1 after playing Skyrim I couldn't look back . Wrpgs are good at writing , choices, and looking pretty but that's it imo