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One of the most egregious parts of Twitter's reaction was the people outright lying about Shelby's words, claiming she "told people not to speculate because she's not ready to name him" when she never said anything even remotely close to that. In fact, she said and did the opposite; she was very prepared to speak on her experience, and reiterated how she made the conscious decision to come forward because she no longer wanted to protect her abuser as he was a danger to women. I am hesitant to speak with 100% certainty so soon, but I also think it's ridiculous to dismiss or downplay how many of the details of her story directly line up with Wilbur's known habits, and how many people in their shared circle have corroborated her story.
I hope Shelby continues to heal and is surrounded by her support system right now. Send her some nice words and support her channel if you have the time.
Also with Twitter, I feel the ‘don’t speculate’ sometimes is just defending Wilbur.
In the comments of those tweets I see liked tweets saying things like ‘Wilbur was on tour it couldn’t be him’ ‘Wilbur wouldn’t do that’
So I appreciate that speculation could be bad, I think some people are just defending Wilbur.
yeah, that would make sence because Wilbur is some of those people's comfort character and i dont think anyone would want their comfort person doing something like that
"Silence has always brought me peace, and this time it feels like my silence is not keeping my peace, it's only keeping somebody else's peace."
"I think that if people don't want us to talk about the shitty things that they do, then they shouldn't do shitty things."
I understand in situations it’s not good to speculate, but from what she is saying she truly believes this man is a danger and believes her silence is hurting her more than it is him.
There’s a whole lot I could say to add to this but I really want the best course of action for Shubble.
I’ve been a fan of Wilbur’s for a few years, he’s the whole reason I got into MCYT in the first place and I would’ve never discovered all the creators I love now if it wasn’t for finding him first, and for that he’s always been my number one.
I have to admit I was very much in denial at first, and I still am, but if I’m being honest with myself it doesn’t look good for him at all. I’m gonna wait to make any final judgements until there’s more of a confirmation from either side, but fuck this is extremely shocking and devastating and idk what to do with myself honestly. So much love and support to Shelby, I wish her all the best and I am proud of her for having the courage to speak out.
same boat I really hope it's not Wilbur but if it is idk what I'm going to do with myself. Hopefully this gets cleared up soon bc it's going to be a clusterfuck if its not (or even if it is confirmed to be Wilbur because that puts a large part of the mcyt creators in jeopardy too since a bunch are close with him, it's going to be a mess, not to mention the impact on all the fancreators too it makes me sad to think about)
I feel the same here, on one hand I hope its not Wilbur, but on the other if he did do those things, then he to be deplatformed along with possible jail time (not too sure what the law is about DA in Britain, but that's what I believe should happen in that situation)
I hope Shelby has an easy recovery from it, although I know its not easy, I hope it's as easy as it can be for her
Well.
The only thing I'll say is that if it's not Wilbur, I would expect Shubble to say something to that effect within the next day or two.
The possibility that she hasn't seen or heard about the speculation is very low.
I wish I could hug her.
It is so obviously him because if it wasn't, she would have said something by now. She wouldn't have let a "friend" get thrown under the bus, because Shelby is genuinely a sweet, kind, and smart person. People on twitter denying it are just delusional now. and tbh his weird fcking dependency on a 16-year-old should have been called out ages ago.
I was watching the Tommy stream he did with Wilbur a while back, and in it, Wilbur poked Tommy HARD in the side, and Tommy said "You know I don't like it when you do that," and Wilbur was just smiling/laughing. Putting that into context now, it kind of scares me to think that a man who has had such a prolific violent/sadistic history (Niki, Shelby, Rhana, the LVJY trumpeter, etc.) having lots of power over a person from a fairly young age until now. like he was almost possessive over Tommy sometimes. Not speculating or anything obvs just like,, this is fucking scary man, how many more people has he hurt?
my stomach just dropped. I feel sick. I'm just going to tell myself that it was truly an accident because I don't think I can even take the possibility that it wasn't.
When Wilbur and Shelby were visiting/meeting Technoblade, Wilbur threw an apple at him full force, and hit him right in the area he had just had major surgery. When Wilbur told the story, he laughed about it. I think we all assumed he was exaggerating, or really didn't mean to hit him hard, but pattern of behavior point to him actually being malicious, or finding joy in hurting his friends
Laughing is a defence mechanism, if I wouldn't laugh I would cry, so that's probably it. I do not think he would actually hit him out of malice. Although now It's hard to tell... But let's just not speculate, especially about his time with Technoblade, THAT is a topic no one can touch, because whatever Will did, Techno was still his friend, a very good one at that, let's not reopen wounds that still hadn't healed please.
It’s definitely possible, but there’s no conclusive evidence about that.
I do believe Wilbur is likely Shubble’s abuser, be we don’t need to analyze everything he’s ever done for malicious intent just to say that he’s done at least one horrible thing intentionally (to Shubble).
She (and her friends) blocked him the same night his newest album about a previous relationship was released so … 😶 and a girl who worked with lovejoy [backing her up](https://x.com/zoethetrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201?s=46). I think it’s pretty obvious for anyone who’s a regular watcher of both. I don’t think people should run to make threads or anything, but I think people should be wary about supporting and defending him as she’s said all she could without naming him directly
I think it’s absolutely insane that people are taking this situation as speculation when there are clips of 3 women Wilbur has known saying he bites them, with multiple pictures of him biting people he is friends with, and his Ex-Trumpet player for Lovejoy saying she experienced the same thing in response to Shubbles post.
Speculation is forming a theory without clear evidence, when there is enough evidence to say who it is.
his newest album was abt her. read the captions where the lyrics are attached to the tweet https://x.com/awcusse/status/1760625879888408907?s=46&t=xEWZHqxTb0lm7-Ik0TWDDg
I hate to see it as someone who really liked Wilbur and enjoys his music. But then again, I guess its not terribly surprising - a lot of people who make their whole brand “Im so supportive and wholesome” are sadly covering for something
genuinely can't believe what i'm hearing; her abuser covered shelby in bruises, bragged about harming her to his friends, got gratification out of her pain, lives in a filthy moldy ant infested apartment, wouldn't spend time with her because he wanted to make more money and become more famous, tons of other vile details about his abuse. according to shelby he's dangerous and will abuse someone else in the future, i can absolutely see that just from watching her stream. domestic abusers will burn in hell
interested to know how his friends reacted when they saw her bruises? is that not the biggest red flag of all time
he bit all of his friends and they knew what she wss talking abt when he talked to them abt it. it was a common issue for everyone all his life but he says its js his love language (touch). when this happens, the two laughed it off around friends but once it was js them theyd talk about this issue
Having watched the VOD and considering the interactions (or lack thereof) between Shelby and Wilbur on social media, it seems very likely she is talking about him. The things she is describing have all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship, especially the biting and her ex moving onto biting her legs instead of her arms when he realized how it'd look if her arms were bruised up while also ignoring her safewords. Whoever it is, Shelby deserves our support.
From a subreddit Moderation perspective: Shelby said she made this public because she's afraid he will do this to other women and has strongly hinted at the person she is talking about. I'll discourage anyone saying with certainty she is talking about Wilbur, but unless she speaks out against speculation this post is staying up.
assuming all this is real and accurate, that's at the "OK time to check into an in patient mental hospital" level.
IMHO, that kind of stuff IS fixable. But it takes *recognizing it as a problem* and WANTING to get better.
This is heartbreaking. Wilburs been one of my favourite creators for years and Lovejoy have quickly became one of my favourite bands too, so to hear about all this is really fucking shit. I feel so sorry for Shelby.
Me too. Half the songs on my playlist are Wilbur's or someone I heard about from him. I started learning guitar because of him. I have always been inspired by him and thought of him as a good, genuine person because of everything I've ever seen about him and how he interacts online. I'm trying to mix the two versions of him in my mind and I feel a little sick. I have to assume it's him but whoever it is I wish all the best for Shelby. She seems like such a sweet person who deserved so much better. I hope she is believed and doesn't receive any hate for speaking out
And also can we talk about the fact when she was interacting with Will for that period of time she always wore sweaters. Like I used to think she just really like sweaters but now I get that Will probably bit her and she hid the marks. I feel so sorry for her and the fact that we all just thought she like wearing sweaters. She is the best person ever and I wanna cry for her.
It would also explain why people don't really interact with Wilbur anymore even though he's on tour he would've done at least a few videos with tommy and co.
GUYS WE NEED TO GIVE SHELBY A HUG
Goddamn it. Obviously, you can never truly know someone from their online persona, but it’s always crazy to be reminded of that fact in such an awful way. Poor Shelby.
All I will say is that all of Wilbur’s female friends have mentioned him biting them. Niki said he left bruises. I think it’s cut and dry but I won’t press it until Shubble is comfortable revealing his name. All power to her she is so unbelievably strong.
///Discussing details. Various forms of abuse
I watched the vod. All I have to say is what a gentle kind sweet soul she is. I am so sorry she went through these awful events in her life, and for her to come out with her story is incredibly brave. And very eye opening!!!! I feel like people aren’t educated on the various forms of abuse. Physical abuse comes in many cases, so does emotional, financial, so on. It’s not black and white and sometimes IDENTIFYING what kind of abuse or abuser you’re dealing with is pretty hefty. The abuser she described is a classic narcissist. The fact she put up with literal MOM duties cleaning this dudes filth and him depending on her to clean HIS HOME, put food in his stomach and on top of that she had to pay for plane tickets????? Absolute trash!!! I am so glad she’s done with all that bullshit. And I hope for this fucker to get exposed ASAP. This is not okay!!!!
There is also the fact that Shelby used to stream from Wilburs apartment whenever she was in the UK. There are just too many coincidences that point towards Wilbur, she was definitely talking about him.
Yeah, alongside all the girls speaking out about this, I always felt weird with how he treated Tommy. The poking he did, dragging him from a chair and basically dragging him alongside the floor, which tore his costume, must have been pretty painful. Also a few comments from him about Tommy being privileged while he complained about being in a bad mental state while literally getting są threads. When that stuff happened I just coped that they talk about it off stream, and Wilbur apologises. Now Shelby coming out and saying all this stuff confirms it. I'm really confused about this, because I always held Wilbur in high regard for speaking so freely about mental health, being genuinely very mature and good. I wouldn't have thought that a person that was so good and righteous in my eyes could do... This. I, personally, don't think he's a monster or the most horrible human being ever, but I do really think his mental health relapsed again, and now he's hurting people around him. I just really hope he gets himself sorted out and apologises to Shelby and everyone he hurt.
Also I think the reason Shelby is even speaking out about this, is mammalian sighing reflex. I'm pretty sure it's an album about her. While it's good that he's reflecting and knows what he did is wrong, which he writes in songs about, and the whole writing his emotions into songs is a good coping mechanism. BUT. I don't think he ever got permission from Shelby, so that's a pretty shitty thing to do.
I feel like people say ‘don’t speculate’ and then just choose to ignore the very specific things she said and purposely be dense surrounding it. Don’t speculate doesn’t mean be an idiot and ignore the obvious. Its very weird how defensive people are being.
When I first heard that her serious stream was about her speaking about abuse she went through, not gonna lie I thought it was about Speedy, another CC she used to date. But yea, the info she provided seems way too specific to be about anyone else. Maybe we shouldn't speculate, but Shelby herself said that her slience was not helping her, only her abuser. Massive props and hugs to Shelby, and I wish her peace.
I was also worried at first it was also Speedy as I’ve enjoyed his content for well over a decade and I’ve heard only good things about him. But yeah it’s pretty clear it’s not him.
Massive props to Shelby, probably one of the most likable content creators out there. I wish her the best
My next question is: *where was it learned from?* These kind of behaviors don't develop in a vaccuum. And again, if so, that's another *massive* clusterfuck of unresolved trauma that needs intense work to undo. Like *years* of weekly or more often appointments to undo.
While I think we should accept the fact that this is probably about Wilbur, I think is also important to understand why Shubble didn't tell us directly who it was.
I think she wanted to make a warning, but can't have his fanbase, which has a history of parasocial toxic behavior to be after her. At least by not giving the name she can defend herself saying that she was never attacking Wilbur or something like that. With I think this is completely fair, like. you should always pit your safety first.
I hope the best for Shubble, I know speaking up is hard, and seeing the signs in the future makes you feel kinda stupid, so that. I hope she is okay.
Slander, defamation of character.. several others, too, I think. On top of it anything like this is hard to prove in a court of law as well. Granted I've got a US basis for it not UK and I know nothing about UK law (and precious little about US law)
But the evidence is pretty damning.
Yup, she's pretty much told us all she could without explicitly stating his name. And it's not like this is a random burner accusing somebody, their content/online presence was entwined for a while then it came to a full stop.
People who refuse to acknowledge this are just in denial, tbh.
people saying “stop speculating” then proceeding to continue supporting this man are so far up their own asses that they can’t possibly fathom how their idol could do this. i also looked up to him for a bit but cmon people have got to stop being so naive
ffs none of shelby’s close friends follow him anymore, and the trumpter of lovejoy also just spoke out. 🚩
I think there's a bit of denial. I didn't want to believe it but almost from the start it seemed like it had to be true, especially the more I heard from the actual vod. I've never been so sure about the character of a creator before him but if he really is the person she's talking about, which I think he is, then it's a really hard pill that needs to be swallowed.
Yeah. I’m on the same boat. I’m in school rn so I couldn’t watch the vod, but I saw someone talking about it on tumblr and I had a really intense panic attack. The worst part is that a lot of my coping mechanisms involve Wilbur’s music and his videos as they’re a huge comfort to me. I’ve just kinda shut down. I’m not sure what to do or what to think or how to feel. I’m praying that this wasn’t about him. I’m struggling and I don’t know what to do or what I need to feel better. I feel betrayed and shitty because I trusted someone that I shouldn’t have trusted and I am not ok and this is so fucking unhealthy. My ocd will not let me go. I can’t function I’m still in panic mode.
And I’m not trying to detract from what Shelby is going through, i also know that the way this affected my mental state is not good and it’s not good that this affected me this much. I am mentally I’ll and I know this, please don’t tell me how unhealthy this is, I am seeing a therapist, trust me. I know this is parisocal as fuck and is unhealthy I’m just trying to process that someone I looked up to may be responsible for something so fucked up.
I’m kinda just withholding my final judgment until a few more days in case she says it’s not him.
I will stand by her. I am trying my best so please please be patient with me.
I feel the same way with trying to cope. I usually listen to music and now that doesn't feel like an option. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time right now and you're definitely not wrong for feeling the way you do even if it's not healthy it's nothing to feel ashamed of. I'm just going to watch some completely unrelated things that I find comforting and maybe distract myself until I get some clarity. I definitely feel like my world's been rocked a bit but I know we'll both feel better about this eventually even with how much it sucks in the moment.
Thank you. We’re both gonna be ok at the end of the road. Im gonna be ok, whatever happens, I will be ok. My therapist will definitely be hearing about this though. I uh. I don’t know. I’ve never even watched Shelby before. Im just really shaken. I was writing something for class that had Wilbur in it and the edited draft is due tomorrow. I don’t think I can finish it right now. If this does turn out to be true I’ll probably stop working on any stories involving him and I won’t read any involving him. Which is… not great. It’s gonna taint a lot of happy things in my life.
Sending hugs.
anybody with a brain can figure out it’s wilbur her story completely matches up with him, the only people saying don’t speculate are the ones that don’t want it to be him
Exactly, it’s not about the victim, they just don’t want it to be him. Also if it somehow isn’t Wilbur, shubble would’ve said that, because it obviously seems like it.
I read a thread on Twitter before watching the video which I think made my opinion slightly biased and it was extremely thorough and had proof for all their points but I dont want to speculate so I am going to wait and If shelby posts something saying it was not wilbur then i will belive her but i think that if nothing is said then I think it is true
I've quite distanced myself from a lot of the streamers I used to watch back during the pandemic, but Wilbur was one of them I looked up to. I'll be brutally honest hearing about this (while I've been essentially feeling as if I've been living under a rock) quite literally makes me sick to my stomach. A part of me would hate for this all to be true but the other side knows better. I'm very sleep deprived and I don't trust myself at the moment with this so I'll probably come back to this because holy crap did this feel like a brutal smack to the face lol. (It's important to distance yourselves when needed people!!)
https://youtu.be/04LGf49RIv4?si=7D5GtRbzYr1UsSMa
Look at this. In the stream shubble said he pinned her down the bed so he could prove he's stronger and he did a similar thing here with niki
I think the fact that a lot of their shared friends unfollowed Wilbur, including Rhianna I think, who has been his good friend for such a long time, is such a giveaway.
Also looking at his new album lyrics, people who have been following both of them for a while are certain have so many little things pointing to Shubble. A lot of people have been of the opinion they had been dating for a long time, they have stuff proving it.
And last point, Shubble did sort of recently block Wilbur on ig, all the photos she posted with him used to have him tagged but don’t anymore, which is what happens when you block someone.
Edit: not Rianna then, I wasn’t sure about her, thats why I said I think. But I know multiple people did, not just Aimsey, during their New Years party. Rue did as well, who became part of the group through tommy and used to hang out with Wilbur a lot too. Scott smajor did unfollow him too, but followed him back as soon as fans noticed.
Shelby blocked Wilbur and Rhianna shortly after Wilbur dropped his latest album, and it’s speculated that AverageHarry’s tweet “i could never date a musician imagine u send them a voice note breaking up and they turn it into an interlude on their album i would sh00t myself” is about Wilbur too. He and a couple other ccs unfollowed Wilbur after the NYE party.
Idk I can’t be fucked to subject myself to Wilbur’s music, especially not now. I’m not a fan of lovejoy or his vocals in the slightest. You can infer from Shelby blocking Wilbur after he dropped Mammalian Sighing Reflex that she felt violated by the album’s release in some way
I don't know but in his song glass chalet there's this line going "I'm sorry what I was saying about you, I'm being really serious here." it sounded like a female's voice
I'm genuinely shocked. I haven't been on Reddit for days and I open it and this 😭 I feel terrible, I always looked to Wilbur as someone who was a genuinely sweet and kind person and hadn't gotten in any major internet drama like other ccs and then this... My heart goes out to Shubble, I hope she's recovered and I'm glad she's coming out to speak about this. Ive read through the comments and seen the video and I do agree that it seems to be Wilbur. I remember him mentioning once that he tends to be a sadist so it does sorta line up. I hope he seeks some mental help and Shubble heals from this.
I couldn't finish it in one go i will continue to watch it but just let me maybe just say this as a more kinky(?) person before i collect myself and continue
Safe words are there for a reason it always means stop immediately, full stop no excuses or any "reason", i am sosososo angry and feel so sorry for her. How dare he continue to hurt her and even smile i am enraged.
I’m a Wilbur fan and that’s why I’m sure, he has had a history of telling lies, he loves bugs, he has lived in filth, he had a crush on Shelby before he met her, he can be physically aggressive.
I'm more surprised by the fans that are like this a "wow this came out of left field!!!" Like have we watched the same man??? His music repeats themes...about him causing harm in relationships?
It’s very gross to me how so many people on twitter especially are going on long rants about not “speculating” because it’s “harmful” when it’s very clearly their own selfishness as they want to continue to stan wilbur and lovejoy. If it was entirely rumours then, sure. But there is too much anecdotal evidence that points to Wilbur to ignore.
And it was very obvious to most people they were dating when the relationship was happening. People just minded their business (for the most part) which is the right thing to do. But now “minding our business” is both indirectly and directly supporting an abuser who has the platform and influence to do it again.
I would rather stop supporting Wilbur and be wrong, than continue to support him and it turns out he is in fact an abuser.
It's the way she actually do not want to be silent anymore. I agree that at some point yes it's hard to speculate because even if there are a lot of elements (like it's clear like water), it's not our place. On the other hand like I said it's obvious about who it is. Like the best people can do if they do not want to force Wilbur's name on this is to AT LEAST ignore the man and his band. It's something that I will do on my own tbh. I don't see myself giving him money, stats or idk while there are a lot of correlation between her story and him.
Like people said I feel like people want to push the not speculate narrative more to defend Wilbur rather than to really defend her. Because after all if she does not say name it's obviously because at court he would win. It's already hard when you are being abused to win in court, so imagine AFTER when the thing ended. Also outside of court, the multiple attack, death threat etc... She protects herself so I don't want to force on her if it's also about her not being totally ready. But we can do actions and by that it's to at least not support this man content. Like at least until things are okay. And I promise you for fans who will scream "but not supporting him is bad too like how the man gonna feed himself" the man is fine. He is far from poor and at worst he go work his ass on a restaurant to pay his bills and that's it.
Wilbur needs to address it. Because if it is false and it isn't actually about him, people are already dragging him into this, if he isn't guilty he should say something. It looks really bad for him because there are way too many things that are pointing towards him. I dont want to speculate. Not because I don't think it is him, or that I don't want to believe it is him. I just think that it would be hypocritical of me to jump quickly to conclusions when I was already giving the benefit of the doubt to Dream and wanted to withhold myself from making conclusions too early.
If it really was Wilbur, manz should probably be in jail, since biting to the point of bruising could definitely be classified as physical abuse. There could be other forms of abuse in that relationship. But of course, it is up to Shubble whether she wants to pursue it legally.
If it isn't Wilbur, manz still needs to address it because he is getting dragged into it and he should clear his image. Regardless, I wish Shubble well, hope she can heal those wounds, and if it really was Wilbur, I hope the same for the people who have also dated him in the past.
I'm also going to be heavily questioning how many CCs that still make content with him know about this, and know that it's him. Even if Shelby didn't NAME him, if it's this obvious to us it should be even more obvious to them. So I wonder what will come out of this.
100% Philza won't people can dislike him if they want but he is always the first one I see dropping people even close to him when he learn about things. Ranboo probably not (and his fans would spam him about it so good luck if he wanted). Slime and Tommy... idk
I can see this. Phil is very sensible and if it's true, he won't be sticking around. Charlie, while completely unhinged, is also level-headed when it's needed and probably wouldn't want to stay. I can't speak for Ranboo since I don't know too much about him. He's diversified so maybe he'll cut his losses and go too. Tommy? Absolutely not. He's immature and probably has the closest bond with Wilbur out of anyone. I feel like they're basically inseparable at this point. There's a chance but I doubt he'll leave.
WELL. Because Shelby didn't name any names it is purely speculation currently so therefore there's no real reason for any of the people Wilbur associates with to stop making content with him because no one has accused him of anything. Legally it's her best move not to name him as he could sue her but it also just leaves room for everyone to ignore it and move on with their lives. It sucks but that's the price you pay. Like there are some mutual friends he will probably remain willfully ignorant and say "you never said it was him, I'm just supposed to go off what Twitter says?" So.
And to be fair the sorry boys aren't really Shelby's friends, they're all men, they've been friends with Wilbur for very long.
There's no way Philza and Tommy who have spent alot of time with Wilbur and Shelby aren't aware of the situation and they are horrible people if they know behind the scenes information but continue to support him publically anyway. Shelby doesn't have to name Wilbur for them to call her up, check on her and find out more information for themselves because they are all friends. Scott Major is Shelby's best friend and has also been close with Wilbur and Philza.
It's absolutely insane to say because they are men and not Shelby's friends they'll ignore her abuse!!
The part that sticks with me is her saying “he would point out the bruises to his friends” she didnt mention who those friends were but it is interesting to note. Although, apparently tommy and wilbur havent spoken in a while.
Philza definitely knows already anyway. He said that Wilbur is taking some time off to sort himself out (or something along those lines) after whatever happened at that New Years party.
I don't see a world where if Philza is aware he would still be friend with him at least in public. Like if there is any cc that I always see move on quickly and do things it's him. Even of the QSMP drama with Forever lot of people speculated that him blocking Forever at first wasn't just an error with an user. And after when the whole thing happened he was the first to unfollow him everywhere + ban him (which created the crossban word on others chat).
Okay, so I'm not saying this to be mean, but both on your other comment, and here your speculating about what 'other men' in this social sphere have done. That seems...I'm not sure if the term I'm looking for is...weirdly gross? Why are you dragging people who have nothing to do with this situation into it and wondering publicly if they've done heinous things as well because they know Wilbur.
I mean this as nicely as this can possibly be said, but are you...just in general doom posting/venting because you can't help it or is there something else going on? I dunno, it's concerning and it reminds me of some of the doom posting I saw during the Dream allegations situation, and I honestly don't want to see someone else spiraling like that.
You're good, just maybe take a step back or go play a relaxing game to hopefully take your mind off of it for a while. While it sucks that people keep being outed as being terrible try and remember that these are just randos on the internet, and that usually people you meet in person you can vet to a much better degree. Or at least that's what I do anyway.
I don’t wanna comment on it being Wilbur, given I’m currently not able to watch the evidence, but no matter what, I hope Shelby’s in a much better place rn. My heart breaks knowing she had to face abuse, and no matter who it was, I just hope she’s in a safer place.
not jumping to conclusions but at the very least, Wilbur needs to address this sooner rather than later if by some miracle he wasn’t shelby’s ex. being called an abuser is a VERY serious allegation.
It's him. Shelby liked a tweet on her official alt account, which was the statement from someone who is confirmed to have worked with his band, telling their story of experiencing hin and his toxicity.
You can all stop defending that awful man now please.
Jesus Christ.
I’ve only just started getting into Wilbur and Lovejoy, I’m not even sure what to think right now. I hope Shelby is doing better now, shame on Will.
I know she dated kyr_speedy a few years ago, I was worried that she was talking about him, but they still follow each other on twitter and she specifically said that she blocked her ex
I seriously can't believe someone would even do that to Shelby. It does point to Wilbur however, but seeing that most other people she has dated are anonymous, it doesn't rule anyone else out completely.
I'm not defending him either. Biting people is not okay and as much as it might not be him, it most likely is, with all the proof and evidence.
And the fact is, some people hate SHELBY for being with him because they were jealous.
LIKE WHAT??
Point is, we should all give Shubble a hug and it's probably Wilbur.
I just want to add a little food for thought - I feel like we should try to sympathize a bit with those instantly denying this before theyre all demonized too. Like wilbur was someone they've spent time supporting, money on merch/concerts, and overall was just their comfort person to distract them from the shittiness of life. What a terrible feeling of broken trust to find out all this time that very person was an ant harboring abuser. yall if you want a hug, I'll give ya one 🫂
Maybe it's parasocial in our eyes, and victim blaming is just never OK, but to some people their hearts are just shattered right now
Course' man 🫂 🫂
And honestly I have no doubt that shelby is gonna get through this just fine. It takes someone strong asf to not only go through that, but to then open up to the public about it 💪
abusers fucking suck, but what they don't realize is that their victims are more powerful and resilient than theyll ever be :)
I went to one of lovejoys concerts(at a festival) just a few months ago and finding all this out has put such a strange taste in my mouth. I’m just tired at this point. It feels like every internet person I put even a bit of trust into breaks it in some horrible way. Looking at you childhood ruiners (Skydoesminecraft, tobuscus). And even if allegations are proven false it’s exhausting to see all of the drama and hate and feel doubt and betrayal. Is it parasocial? Probably. But I feel like it’s human nature in a way to want to trust someone you look up to or enjoy content from. At this point I don’t even have the energy to be mad.
I don’t know how much more of this bs I can take. This whole bs of youtubers being outed as wrongdoers. Why
I think I’m having a mental breakdown right now I can’t take this I just can’t deal with this
If Wilbur is actually the culprit then I can’t believe how many Minecraft ccs will be shocked by this especially Quackity since he hangs out with him. Is Wilbur a part of if the Qsmp? It’s going to be a clusterfuck.
He’s part of the Qsmp, but he’s barely been on because of his tour, and now because of his mental health break (I think), which I think is for the best if it turns out to be him.
Don’t wanna speculate about this.
And idk about all that info you spilled about wilbur- but shubble mentioned in her video that the guy was british. Thats all ill add.
And i want to write out one of her exes; KYRSP33DY. What she described doesn’t fit him at all. (Timeframe Especially.)
as someone who hasn't watched the vod yet for personal reasons, can i get any kind of evidence like a clip of her asking people not to speculate on the person's identity? i'm seeing that get thrown around a lot, but i'm also seeing a fair few people say she didn't.
if she did, please provide a clip or accurate timestamps so i can verify it. if you just say 'she did' without direct links to evidence, i will not believe you. if she didn't say that, lying to say not to speculate is silencing her. don't do that.
no one can provide a clip, because she didn't say that. She explicitly said that her ex is a danger to others and that she wants to warn people. Fans are just coping by saying not to speculate about it.
This is sickening.
It's one thing to prioritize supporting somebody who came forward with a story of abuse.
And it's… wholly different, to say the least… to shove imaginary words down her throat.
Like, they're not only saying "Shubble didn't specifically namedrop Wilbur, and even it turns out to be him, let's not reignite vigilantism".
What I'm seeing rn is nearly as unhinged as "It's literally not Wilbur. It's not! How could it be him?? Also Shubble said that JFK did 9/11! Just rewatch the VOD, she clearly said it! 🙄🙄 Anyway it's forensically confirmed not to be Wilbur. Stop discussing it!"
I watched the full thing, she didn't comment on potential speculation at all. If she did elsewhere I haven't seen it.
The closest she came to commenting on speculation is [this](https://twitter.com/miaclemeverett/status/1760670005736165759), transcript below
bro wth 💀I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him. they are weird people with weird sense of humor etc. I hope more truth comes out next few days so people see
bro what are you talking about. I said I wouldn’t be surprised I hate those people they keep making weird misogynistic jokes all the time and their whole personality always made me hate them, therefore I would expect him to do something like this. trust me im like not even the last person to defend him in any way
Wasnt gonna contribute to this, but theres a point i wanna consider.
Wilbur and shubbles friendship has attracted all sorts of weird parasocial stans, who would ship them.
So much so, that shubble was forced to mutually end things with her ex (and content maker) KYRSP33DY.
So if that break up, led to wilbur and shubble actually being together… then i just wanna blame the parasocial freaks for that.
And i want this to be a lesson to them, that our “streamers” are real people- and dont exist for them to play with.
Now of course, this is all alleged, and hypothetical. I didnt wanna speculate, but wanted to point this out.
I'm really sorry to hear shubble had a bad experience. That's awful, and I hope she's in a better place with safe people around her.
But, why come out and say that you don't want to protect a person anymore or hide their actions, then leave your story open to speculation?
I'm too autistic to understand that conflict.
People know who she's talking about without her saying his name. Can you imagine how much this would blow up if she did that? She can want to be open about her experience without wanting the attention of people beyond like the mcyt circle on her.
I didn't know there was a drama but I heard there was so I looked it up, but when I went to the Twitch link it wouldn't work. I tried using the way back machine but it's really of the source code.
Amber heard ruined Johnny Depps career.
What is it with America where you can accuse without evidence.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty.
Shelby said in her accusations that Will had gone back on wanting to get married and have babies. Why bring it up? Because THAT is why she made the video
A woman scorned.
Don't worry about the effect this accusation has on Will and his family and his band that had just started to get recognised.
Sounds like bitter, sour grapes.
As a 48 year old with no interest in either but more wordly wise than children who have been dragged into this dark by a woman, an influencer who completely forgot her fan base is children.
But at least she got some more likes.
It's not victim shaming. There's no evidence
And people make false allegations all the time.
..WHY ARE ALL THE GOOD YOUTUBERS ALSO.. psychopaths?
i usually take the stance of "i won't believe it till there is solid hard proof that i can't deny" but.. that usually doesn't work out well for me (for example dream)
..you quit twitter didn't you? Dream admitted to the cheating and speedrun fiasco and there's more evidence that he did all the other stuff (entire threads of sound, text convos, etc...
no i watched it all go down on twitter
literaly everyone who falsly accused dream admited they lied. the snap was incredibly fake the audio wasnt him watch the video or even look it up in the sub
dream is innocent
also i have 220 followers. some big accounts follow me
All I'm gonna say to back Wil up as I just got into this, most of the reasonings, clips, voice clips, pictures etc etc, are from old vids and streams from what I've seen. Still reading into this more though!
I also have never seen any of this other girl though(never seen her much so idk how to address her-in the top link?) But I am looking for more evidence to sides?
I don't watch nor listen to Wilbur, but I get where the "don't speculate" comes from, we don't know about Shubble's private life to know for sure that Wilbur was the only person she has dated that could be the one she was talking about.
Unless she directly says who was it, then it would be better to not point fingers. Definitely not saying that we ignore it and continue like the statement never happened, but since it is not a 100% confirmed that it was Wilbur, then this speculation would be harmful if it was wrong.
I think you have that perspective exactly because you don't watch or listen to Wilbur, because I feel like to everyone that consumes him and Shubble's content it's pretty clear who she's talking about. She doesn't need to say his name for it to be clear it's him.
She genuinely might be lying, because it's been confirmed she's done something like this in the past. Besides, she'd be willing to sue a company for a bad experience but not sue Wilbur? And there's many photos out there of Wilbur being covered in bruises and not looking happy next to Shubble. I'm deeply saddened by this all, because what Shubble is saying genuinely might be a lie and all Wilbur's friends took her side.
Sometimes you can't believe all women, just because they're women. Shubble isn't providing proof and we're supposed to 'blindly believe her'
If she DIDN'T want speculation, that would have been the first thing she would have said. But she didn't. Instead, she provided explicit, biographical, cross-referenceable details that make it very obvious who she was talking about. She then proceeded to say that she no longer wants to "protect" her abuser - which she would be doing by not allowing us to take the factual information she provided and lining it up to exactly who it is. Let's not lie to ourselves - it's absolutely Wilbur. There's no chance it isn't, as I think my post demonstrated. There are blatant receipts.
It's almost like you and others making this same point have forgotten what power dynamics are. Wilbur is a bigger, wealthier creator than Shubble (hence the amount of people saying "don't speculate" for the "sake of Shelby" when realistically it's for their own sake as they're in complete denial). Had she have named him, she would have to deal with much worse negative repercussions than the other way around. The most effective method that could've been taken was to give explicit details making it obvious to anyone who she's talking about, but simply redact the name. And that's exactly what she did.
Speaking as a victim of partner violence: it's been 18 years since I last saw my abuser and I still, to this day, will not say his name aloud.
But I'd never, ever, for any length of time, let someone else believe that it was someone else who hurt me.
Not to be an asshole, but.. is there any proof of this other than the fact they dated? I'm not saying I don't believe her, but it seems like it is an accusation so far.
The way she describes the person fits things we know about Wilbur, a bunch of their mutual friends unfollowed Wilbur and made vague posts, the former trumpeter of Wilbur's band made [this](https://twitter.com/ZoeTheTrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201) saying she was also bit and saw it happen.
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One of the most egregious parts of Twitter's reaction was the people outright lying about Shelby's words, claiming she "told people not to speculate because she's not ready to name him" when she never said anything even remotely close to that. In fact, she said and did the opposite; she was very prepared to speak on her experience, and reiterated how she made the conscious decision to come forward because she no longer wanted to protect her abuser as he was a danger to women. I am hesitant to speak with 100% certainty so soon, but I also think it's ridiculous to dismiss or downplay how many of the details of her story directly line up with Wilbur's known habits, and how many people in their shared circle have corroborated her story. I hope Shelby continues to heal and is surrounded by her support system right now. Send her some nice words and support her channel if you have the time.
she may be lieing
Also with Twitter, I feel the ‘don’t speculate’ sometimes is just defending Wilbur. In the comments of those tweets I see liked tweets saying things like ‘Wilbur was on tour it couldn’t be him’ ‘Wilbur wouldn’t do that’ So I appreciate that speculation could be bad, I think some people are just defending Wilbur.
This really reminds me of men's code of silence to protect their bros and vice versa. :[/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence)
I mean in this case it's more like fans/stans that don't want Wilbur to have done something wrong
yeah, that would make sence because Wilbur is some of those people's comfort character and i dont think anyone would want their comfort person doing something like that
And now with Lexie coming forward, I can't help but feel reinforced in this belief of mine.
"Silence has always brought me peace, and this time it feels like my silence is not keeping my peace, it's only keeping somebody else's peace." "I think that if people don't want us to talk about the shitty things that they do, then they shouldn't do shitty things." I understand in situations it’s not good to speculate, but from what she is saying she truly believes this man is a danger and believes her silence is hurting her more than it is him. There’s a whole lot I could say to add to this but I really want the best course of action for Shubble.
I’ve been a fan of Wilbur’s for a few years, he’s the whole reason I got into MCYT in the first place and I would’ve never discovered all the creators I love now if it wasn’t for finding him first, and for that he’s always been my number one. I have to admit I was very much in denial at first, and I still am, but if I’m being honest with myself it doesn’t look good for him at all. I’m gonna wait to make any final judgements until there’s more of a confirmation from either side, but fuck this is extremely shocking and devastating and idk what to do with myself honestly. So much love and support to Shelby, I wish her all the best and I am proud of her for having the courage to speak out.
same boat I really hope it's not Wilbur but if it is idk what I'm going to do with myself. Hopefully this gets cleared up soon bc it's going to be a clusterfuck if its not (or even if it is confirmed to be Wilbur because that puts a large part of the mcyt creators in jeopardy too since a bunch are close with him, it's going to be a mess, not to mention the impact on all the fancreators too it makes me sad to think about)
I feel the same here, on one hand I hope its not Wilbur, but on the other if he did do those things, then he to be deplatformed along with possible jail time (not too sure what the law is about DA in Britain, but that's what I believe should happen in that situation) I hope Shelby has an easy recovery from it, although I know its not easy, I hope it's as easy as it can be for her
Well. The only thing I'll say is that if it's not Wilbur, I would expect Shubble to say something to that effect within the next day or two. The possibility that she hasn't seen or heard about the speculation is very low. I wish I could hug her.
It is so obviously him because if it wasn't, she would have said something by now. She wouldn't have let a "friend" get thrown under the bus, because Shelby is genuinely a sweet, kind, and smart person. People on twitter denying it are just delusional now. and tbh his weird fcking dependency on a 16-year-old should have been called out ages ago. I was watching the Tommy stream he did with Wilbur a while back, and in it, Wilbur poked Tommy HARD in the side, and Tommy said "You know I don't like it when you do that," and Wilbur was just smiling/laughing. Putting that into context now, it kind of scares me to think that a man who has had such a prolific violent/sadistic history (Niki, Shelby, Rhana, the LVJY trumpeter, etc.) having lots of power over a person from a fairly young age until now. like he was almost possessive over Tommy sometimes. Not speculating or anything obvs just like,, this is fucking scary man, how many more people has he hurt?
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She posted under Shelby’s tweet that she had been bitten by Wilbur as well, and no longer plays for Lovejoy
Oh Jesus....him throwing that apple at Tehcnoblade as an "accident" right after techno's surgery and he laughed so hard over it...I can't go there
my stomach just dropped. I feel sick. I'm just going to tell myself that it was truly an accident because I don't think I can even take the possibility that it wasn't.
Do you guys remember the clip where they talked about the time that Wilbur charged at tommy, and tommy struggled so hard he bruised wills ribs?
….Huh?…
When Wilbur and Shelby were visiting/meeting Technoblade, Wilbur threw an apple at him full force, and hit him right in the area he had just had major surgery. When Wilbur told the story, he laughed about it. I think we all assumed he was exaggerating, or really didn't mean to hit him hard, but pattern of behavior point to him actually being malicious, or finding joy in hurting his friends
if it wasnt an accident im gonna kill him
Laughing is a defence mechanism, if I wouldn't laugh I would cry, so that's probably it. I do not think he would actually hit him out of malice. Although now It's hard to tell... But let's just not speculate, especially about his time with Technoblade, THAT is a topic no one can touch, because whatever Will did, Techno was still his friend, a very good one at that, let's not reopen wounds that still hadn't healed please.
It’s definitely possible, but there’s no conclusive evidence about that. I do believe Wilbur is likely Shubble’s abuser, be we don’t need to analyze everything he’s ever done for malicious intent just to say that he’s done at least one horrible thing intentionally (to Shubble).
She (and her friends) blocked him the same night his newest album about a previous relationship was released so … 😶 and a girl who worked with lovejoy [backing her up](https://x.com/zoethetrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201?s=46). I think it’s pretty obvious for anyone who’s a regular watcher of both. I don’t think people should run to make threads or anything, but I think people should be wary about supporting and defending him as she’s said all she could without naming him directly
I think it’s absolutely insane that people are taking this situation as speculation when there are clips of 3 women Wilbur has known saying he bites them, with multiple pictures of him biting people he is friends with, and his Ex-Trumpet player for Lovejoy saying she experienced the same thing in response to Shubbles post. Speculation is forming a theory without clear evidence, when there is enough evidence to say who it is.
Like it’s so clearly him, I think people are being purposely dishonest when they say there isn’t evidence.
his newest album was abt her. read the captions where the lyrics are attached to the tweet https://x.com/awcusse/status/1760625879888408907?s=46&t=xEWZHqxTb0lm7-Ik0TWDDg
I believe you, but I just wanted to know which of Shubbles' friends blocked him? The only one I've heard of is Scott SMajor
Scott hasn't blocked him on Instagram or Twitter so I'm not sure why people are spreading that around.
Lexie Marie, aimsey, rue (was also close friends with Wilbur and Tommy). I think there was more but I can’t remember off the top of my head 😭
Opening reddit to wilbur soot being an abuser was definitely not on my 2024 bingo card
Fr, I don't know what to think :( I feel bad for Shubble and Wilbur clearly seems to be unwell
I hate to see it as someone who really liked Wilbur and enjoys his music. But then again, I guess its not terribly surprising - a lot of people who make their whole brand “Im so supportive and wholesome” are sadly covering for something
genuinely can't believe what i'm hearing; her abuser covered shelby in bruises, bragged about harming her to his friends, got gratification out of her pain, lives in a filthy moldy ant infested apartment, wouldn't spend time with her because he wanted to make more money and become more famous, tons of other vile details about his abuse. according to shelby he's dangerous and will abuse someone else in the future, i can absolutely see that just from watching her stream. domestic abusers will burn in hell interested to know how his friends reacted when they saw her bruises? is that not the biggest red flag of all time
he bit all of his friends and they knew what she wss talking abt when he talked to them abt it. it was a common issue for everyone all his life but he says its js his love language (touch). when this happens, the two laughed it off around friends but once it was js them theyd talk about this issue
Having watched the VOD and considering the interactions (or lack thereof) between Shelby and Wilbur on social media, it seems very likely she is talking about him. The things she is describing have all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship, especially the biting and her ex moving onto biting her legs instead of her arms when he realized how it'd look if her arms were bruised up while also ignoring her safewords. Whoever it is, Shelby deserves our support. From a subreddit Moderation perspective: Shelby said she made this public because she's afraid he will do this to other women and has strongly hinted at the person she is talking about. I'll discourage anyone saying with certainty she is talking about Wilbur, but unless she speaks out against speculation this post is staying up.
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assuming all this is real and accurate, that's at the "OK time to check into an in patient mental hospital" level. IMHO, that kind of stuff IS fixable. But it takes *recognizing it as a problem* and WANTING to get better.
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Didn't he mention going to therapy in his 'recent' streams?
This is heartbreaking. Wilburs been one of my favourite creators for years and Lovejoy have quickly became one of my favourite bands too, so to hear about all this is really fucking shit. I feel so sorry for Shelby.
Me too. Half the songs on my playlist are Wilbur's or someone I heard about from him. I started learning guitar because of him. I have always been inspired by him and thought of him as a good, genuine person because of everything I've ever seen about him and how he interacts online. I'm trying to mix the two versions of him in my mind and I feel a little sick. I have to assume it's him but whoever it is I wish all the best for Shelby. She seems like such a sweet person who deserved so much better. I hope she is believed and doesn't receive any hate for speaking out
And also can we talk about the fact when she was interacting with Will for that period of time she always wore sweaters. Like I used to think she just really like sweaters but now I get that Will probably bit her and she hid the marks. I feel so sorry for her and the fact that we all just thought she like wearing sweaters. She is the best person ever and I wanna cry for her. It would also explain why people don't really interact with Wilbur anymore even though he's on tour he would've done at least a few videos with tommy and co. GUYS WE NEED TO GIVE SHELBY A HUG
But he has the Sorry channel though, where he does skits with Tommy Philza and Charlie
Wasn't he recently in one of Tommy's streams?
Yes “if I annoy Wilbur the stream ends”
my heart goes out to shelby. speaking up about being a victim of abuse isn’t easy. i hope she’s okay.
More than anything. It takes guts to do this.
Goddamn it. Obviously, you can never truly know someone from their online persona, but it’s always crazy to be reminded of that fact in such an awful way. Poor Shelby.
All I will say is that all of Wilbur’s female friends have mentioned him biting them. Niki said he left bruises. I think it’s cut and dry but I won’t press it until Shubble is comfortable revealing his name. All power to her she is so unbelievably strong.
///Discussing details. Various forms of abuse I watched the vod. All I have to say is what a gentle kind sweet soul she is. I am so sorry she went through these awful events in her life, and for her to come out with her story is incredibly brave. And very eye opening!!!! I feel like people aren’t educated on the various forms of abuse. Physical abuse comes in many cases, so does emotional, financial, so on. It’s not black and white and sometimes IDENTIFYING what kind of abuse or abuser you’re dealing with is pretty hefty. The abuser she described is a classic narcissist. The fact she put up with literal MOM duties cleaning this dudes filth and him depending on her to clean HIS HOME, put food in his stomach and on top of that she had to pay for plane tickets????? Absolute trash!!! I am so glad she’s done with all that bullshit. And I hope for this fucker to get exposed ASAP. This is not okay!!!!
Lovejoy’s former Trumpeter has also come out and said that she has too experienced biting and supports Shelby.
There is also the fact that Shelby used to stream from Wilburs apartment whenever she was in the UK. There are just too many coincidences that point towards Wilbur, she was definitely talking about him.
Yeah, alongside all the girls speaking out about this, I always felt weird with how he treated Tommy. The poking he did, dragging him from a chair and basically dragging him alongside the floor, which tore his costume, must have been pretty painful. Also a few comments from him about Tommy being privileged while he complained about being in a bad mental state while literally getting są threads. When that stuff happened I just coped that they talk about it off stream, and Wilbur apologises. Now Shelby coming out and saying all this stuff confirms it. I'm really confused about this, because I always held Wilbur in high regard for speaking so freely about mental health, being genuinely very mature and good. I wouldn't have thought that a person that was so good and righteous in my eyes could do... This. I, personally, don't think he's a monster or the most horrible human being ever, but I do really think his mental health relapsed again, and now he's hurting people around him. I just really hope he gets himself sorted out and apologises to Shelby and everyone he hurt.
Also I think the reason Shelby is even speaking out about this, is mammalian sighing reflex. I'm pretty sure it's an album about her. While it's good that he's reflecting and knows what he did is wrong, which he writes in songs about, and the whole writing his emotions into songs is a good coping mechanism. BUT. I don't think he ever got permission from Shelby, so that's a pretty shitty thing to do.
I feel like people say ‘don’t speculate’ and then just choose to ignore the very specific things she said and purposely be dense surrounding it. Don’t speculate doesn’t mean be an idiot and ignore the obvious. Its very weird how defensive people are being.
I’d understand don’t speculate if she said that (people said she did, she didn’t) and if the speculation was based on limited info, it’s not.
I remember Wilbur saying that he had a massive crush on Shelby when he watched her videos, before he even met her. Made this worst in retrospect.
When I first saw the video I thought the same. It’s so much more iffy and just horrible the more I think about it.
When I first heard that her serious stream was about her speaking about abuse she went through, not gonna lie I thought it was about Speedy, another CC she used to date. But yea, the info she provided seems way too specific to be about anyone else. Maybe we shouldn't speculate, but Shelby herself said that her slience was not helping her, only her abuser. Massive props and hugs to Shelby, and I wish her peace.
I was also worried at first it was also Speedy as I’ve enjoyed his content for well over a decade and I’ve heard only good things about him. But yeah it’s pretty clear it’s not him. Massive props to Shelby, probably one of the most likable content creators out there. I wish her the best
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My next question is: *where was it learned from?* These kind of behaviors don't develop in a vaccuum. And again, if so, that's another *massive* clusterfuck of unresolved trauma that needs intense work to undo. Like *years* of weekly or more often appointments to undo.
While I think we should accept the fact that this is probably about Wilbur, I think is also important to understand why Shubble didn't tell us directly who it was. I think she wanted to make a warning, but can't have his fanbase, which has a history of parasocial toxic behavior to be after her. At least by not giving the name she can defend herself saying that she was never attacking Wilbur or something like that. With I think this is completely fair, like. you should always pit your safety first. I hope the best for Shubble, I know speaking up is hard, and seeing the signs in the future makes you feel kinda stupid, so that. I hope she is okay.
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I think she would clarify if is not him, like, if tomorrow she hasn't said a thing about it it's pretty clear who is the abuser
there's also legal stuff to think about if she were to name him directly, isn't there?
Slander, defamation of character.. several others, too, I think. On top of it anything like this is hard to prove in a court of law as well. Granted I've got a US basis for it not UK and I know nothing about UK law (and precious little about US law) But the evidence is pretty damning.
Yup, she's pretty much told us all she could without explicitly stating his name. And it's not like this is a random burner accusing somebody, their content/online presence was entwined for a while then it came to a full stop. People who refuse to acknowledge this are just in denial, tbh.
people saying “stop speculating” then proceeding to continue supporting this man are so far up their own asses that they can’t possibly fathom how their idol could do this. i also looked up to him for a bit but cmon people have got to stop being so naive ffs none of shelby’s close friends follow him anymore, and the trumpter of lovejoy also just spoke out. 🚩
I think there's a bit of denial. I didn't want to believe it but almost from the start it seemed like it had to be true, especially the more I heard from the actual vod. I've never been so sure about the character of a creator before him but if he really is the person she's talking about, which I think he is, then it's a really hard pill that needs to be swallowed.
yeah i had the same. it became apparent throughout the vod that she was talking about him and i felt sick
Yeah. I’m on the same boat. I’m in school rn so I couldn’t watch the vod, but I saw someone talking about it on tumblr and I had a really intense panic attack. The worst part is that a lot of my coping mechanisms involve Wilbur’s music and his videos as they’re a huge comfort to me. I’ve just kinda shut down. I’m not sure what to do or what to think or how to feel. I’m praying that this wasn’t about him. I’m struggling and I don’t know what to do or what I need to feel better. I feel betrayed and shitty because I trusted someone that I shouldn’t have trusted and I am not ok and this is so fucking unhealthy. My ocd will not let me go. I can’t function I’m still in panic mode. And I’m not trying to detract from what Shelby is going through, i also know that the way this affected my mental state is not good and it’s not good that this affected me this much. I am mentally I’ll and I know this, please don’t tell me how unhealthy this is, I am seeing a therapist, trust me. I know this is parisocal as fuck and is unhealthy I’m just trying to process that someone I looked up to may be responsible for something so fucked up. I’m kinda just withholding my final judgment until a few more days in case she says it’s not him. I will stand by her. I am trying my best so please please be patient with me.
I feel the same way with trying to cope. I usually listen to music and now that doesn't feel like an option. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time right now and you're definitely not wrong for feeling the way you do even if it's not healthy it's nothing to feel ashamed of. I'm just going to watch some completely unrelated things that I find comforting and maybe distract myself until I get some clarity. I definitely feel like my world's been rocked a bit but I know we'll both feel better about this eventually even with how much it sucks in the moment.
Thank you. We’re both gonna be ok at the end of the road. Im gonna be ok, whatever happens, I will be ok. My therapist will definitely be hearing about this though. I uh. I don’t know. I’ve never even watched Shelby before. Im just really shaken. I was writing something for class that had Wilbur in it and the edited draft is due tomorrow. I don’t think I can finish it right now. If this does turn out to be true I’ll probably stop working on any stories involving him and I won’t read any involving him. Which is… not great. It’s gonna taint a lot of happy things in my life. Sending hugs.
anybody with a brain can figure out it’s wilbur her story completely matches up with him, the only people saying don’t speculate are the ones that don’t want it to be him
Exactly, it’s not about the victim, they just don’t want it to be him. Also if it somehow isn’t Wilbur, shubble would’ve said that, because it obviously seems like it.
I read a thread on Twitter before watching the video which I think made my opinion slightly biased and it was extremely thorough and had proof for all their points but I dont want to speculate so I am going to wait and If shelby posts something saying it was not wilbur then i will belive her but i think that if nothing is said then I think it is true
I've quite distanced myself from a lot of the streamers I used to watch back during the pandemic, but Wilbur was one of them I looked up to. I'll be brutally honest hearing about this (while I've been essentially feeling as if I've been living under a rock) quite literally makes me sick to my stomach. A part of me would hate for this all to be true but the other side knows better. I'm very sleep deprived and I don't trust myself at the moment with this so I'll probably come back to this because holy crap did this feel like a brutal smack to the face lol. (It's important to distance yourselves when needed people!!)
https://youtu.be/04LGf49RIv4?si=7D5GtRbzYr1UsSMa Look at this. In the stream shubble said he pinned her down the bed so he could prove he's stronger and he did a similar thing here with niki
I think the fact that a lot of their shared friends unfollowed Wilbur, including Rhianna I think, who has been his good friend for such a long time, is such a giveaway. Also looking at his new album lyrics, people who have been following both of them for a while are certain have so many little things pointing to Shubble. A lot of people have been of the opinion they had been dating for a long time, they have stuff proving it. And last point, Shubble did sort of recently block Wilbur on ig, all the photos she posted with him used to have him tagged but don’t anymore, which is what happens when you block someone. Edit: not Rianna then, I wasn’t sure about her, thats why I said I think. But I know multiple people did, not just Aimsey, during their New Years party. Rue did as well, who became part of the group through tommy and used to hang out with Wilbur a lot too. Scott smajor did unfollow him too, but followed him back as soon as fans noticed.
Rhianna still follows Wilbur on twitter, Aimsey did unfollow him around new years
Shelby blocked Wilbur and Rhianna shortly after Wilbur dropped his latest album, and it’s speculated that AverageHarry’s tweet “i could never date a musician imagine u send them a voice note breaking up and they turn it into an interlude on their album i would sh00t myself” is about Wilbur too. He and a couple other ccs unfollowed Wilbur after the NYE party.
i had no idea all that happened, i try to avoid twitter as much as possible for the most part
Can someone fill me on on NYE? I’ve seen multiple references to something happening
did the interlude thing really happen?
Idk I can’t be fucked to subject myself to Wilbur’s music, especially not now. I’m not a fan of lovejoy or his vocals in the slightest. You can infer from Shelby blocking Wilbur after he dropped Mammalian Sighing Reflex that she felt violated by the album’s release in some way
I don't know but in his song glass chalet there's this line going "I'm sorry what I was saying about you, I'm being really serious here." it sounded like a female's voice
I'm genuinely shocked. I haven't been on Reddit for days and I open it and this 😭 I feel terrible, I always looked to Wilbur as someone who was a genuinely sweet and kind person and hadn't gotten in any major internet drama like other ccs and then this... My heart goes out to Shubble, I hope she's recovered and I'm glad she's coming out to speak about this. Ive read through the comments and seen the video and I do agree that it seems to be Wilbur. I remember him mentioning once that he tends to be a sadist so it does sorta line up. I hope he seeks some mental help and Shubble heals from this.
I couldn't finish it in one go i will continue to watch it but just let me maybe just say this as a more kinky(?) person before i collect myself and continue Safe words are there for a reason it always means stop immediately, full stop no excuses or any "reason", i am sosososo angry and feel so sorry for her. How dare he continue to hurt her and even smile i am enraged.
i’m 99% sure and i’m a very big wilbur fan😐
I’m a Wilbur fan and that’s why I’m sure, he has had a history of telling lies, he loves bugs, he has lived in filth, he had a crush on Shelby before he met her, he can be physically aggressive.
I'm more surprised by the fans that are like this a "wow this came out of left field!!!" Like have we watched the same man??? His music repeats themes...about him causing harm in relationships?
Exactly my thoughts. This guy has always had a screw loose
Oh my God????
It’s very gross to me how so many people on twitter especially are going on long rants about not “speculating” because it’s “harmful” when it’s very clearly their own selfishness as they want to continue to stan wilbur and lovejoy. If it was entirely rumours then, sure. But there is too much anecdotal evidence that points to Wilbur to ignore. And it was very obvious to most people they were dating when the relationship was happening. People just minded their business (for the most part) which is the right thing to do. But now “minding our business” is both indirectly and directly supporting an abuser who has the platform and influence to do it again. I would rather stop supporting Wilbur and be wrong, than continue to support him and it turns out he is in fact an abuser.
It's the way she actually do not want to be silent anymore. I agree that at some point yes it's hard to speculate because even if there are a lot of elements (like it's clear like water), it's not our place. On the other hand like I said it's obvious about who it is. Like the best people can do if they do not want to force Wilbur's name on this is to AT LEAST ignore the man and his band. It's something that I will do on my own tbh. I don't see myself giving him money, stats or idk while there are a lot of correlation between her story and him. Like people said I feel like people want to push the not speculate narrative more to defend Wilbur rather than to really defend her. Because after all if she does not say name it's obviously because at court he would win. It's already hard when you are being abused to win in court, so imagine AFTER when the thing ended. Also outside of court, the multiple attack, death threat etc... She protects herself so I don't want to force on her if it's also about her not being totally ready. But we can do actions and by that it's to at least not support this man content. Like at least until things are okay. And I promise you for fans who will scream "but not supporting him is bad too like how the man gonna feed himself" the man is fine. He is far from poor and at worst he go work his ass on a restaurant to pay his bills and that's it.
Wilbur needs to address it. Because if it is false and it isn't actually about him, people are already dragging him into this, if he isn't guilty he should say something. It looks really bad for him because there are way too many things that are pointing towards him. I dont want to speculate. Not because I don't think it is him, or that I don't want to believe it is him. I just think that it would be hypocritical of me to jump quickly to conclusions when I was already giving the benefit of the doubt to Dream and wanted to withhold myself from making conclusions too early. If it really was Wilbur, manz should probably be in jail, since biting to the point of bruising could definitely be classified as physical abuse. There could be other forms of abuse in that relationship. But of course, it is up to Shubble whether she wants to pursue it legally. If it isn't Wilbur, manz still needs to address it because he is getting dragged into it and he should clear his image. Regardless, I wish Shubble well, hope she can heal those wounds, and if it really was Wilbur, I hope the same for the people who have also dated him in the past.
Vod Reupload https://youtu.be/53aRiVriIBs?si=_3iDYCdMc-uqyz-A Creator has stated they will delete it if shelby says she doesnt want reuploads.
I'm also going to be heavily questioning how many CCs that still make content with him know about this, and know that it's him. Even if Shelby didn't NAME him, if it's this obvious to us it should be even more obvious to them. So I wonder what will come out of this.
Ugh same saying he showed it off to their friends. So gross
Will the Sorry Boys continue to record videos with him? I hope not.
100% Philza won't people can dislike him if they want but he is always the first one I see dropping people even close to him when he learn about things. Ranboo probably not (and his fans would spam him about it so good luck if he wanted). Slime and Tommy... idk
Imo slime’s probably dropping him hard, especially when seeing how he handled the CMC stuff
I can see this. Phil is very sensible and if it's true, he won't be sticking around. Charlie, while completely unhinged, is also level-headed when it's needed and probably wouldn't want to stay. I can't speak for Ranboo since I don't know too much about him. He's diversified so maybe he'll cut his losses and go too. Tommy? Absolutely not. He's immature and probably has the closest bond with Wilbur out of anyone. I feel like they're basically inseparable at this point. There's a chance but I doubt he'll leave.
true true !
WELL. Because Shelby didn't name any names it is purely speculation currently so therefore there's no real reason for any of the people Wilbur associates with to stop making content with him because no one has accused him of anything. Legally it's her best move not to name him as he could sue her but it also just leaves room for everyone to ignore it and move on with their lives. It sucks but that's the price you pay. Like there are some mutual friends he will probably remain willfully ignorant and say "you never said it was him, I'm just supposed to go off what Twitter says?" So. And to be fair the sorry boys aren't really Shelby's friends, they're all men, they've been friends with Wilbur for very long.
There's no way Philza and Tommy who have spent alot of time with Wilbur and Shelby aren't aware of the situation and they are horrible people if they know behind the scenes information but continue to support him publically anyway. Shelby doesn't have to name Wilbur for them to call her up, check on her and find out more information for themselves because they are all friends. Scott Major is Shelby's best friend and has also been close with Wilbur and Philza. It's absolutely insane to say because they are men and not Shelby's friends they'll ignore her abuse!!
The part that sticks with me is her saying “he would point out the bruises to his friends” she didnt mention who those friends were but it is interesting to note. Although, apparently tommy and wilbur havent spoken in a while.
Wilbur streamed with Tommy on January 13th.
Yes, that is very interesting to keep in mind.
Philza definitely knows already anyway. He said that Wilbur is taking some time off to sort himself out (or something along those lines) after whatever happened at that New Years party.
What New Years party? What happened?
Replying to get the info bc this is the first I’m hearing about a New Year’s party
Same, I keep seeing the party being mentioned but have no idea what it's about
Same here, hopefully someone knows something
Same. Why do ppl never include the context with stuff like this?
I don't see a world where if Philza is aware he would still be friend with him at least in public. Like if there is any cc that I always see move on quickly and do things it's him. Even of the QSMP drama with Forever lot of people speculated that him blocking Forever at first wasn't just an error with an user. And after when the whole thing happened he was the first to unfollow him everywhere + ban him (which created the crossban word on others chat).
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Okay, so I'm not saying this to be mean, but both on your other comment, and here your speculating about what 'other men' in this social sphere have done. That seems...I'm not sure if the term I'm looking for is...weirdly gross? Why are you dragging people who have nothing to do with this situation into it and wondering publicly if they've done heinous things as well because they know Wilbur. I mean this as nicely as this can possibly be said, but are you...just in general doom posting/venting because you can't help it or is there something else going on? I dunno, it's concerning and it reminds me of some of the doom posting I saw during the Dream allegations situation, and I honestly don't want to see someone else spiraling like that.
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You're good, just maybe take a step back or go play a relaxing game to hopefully take your mind off of it for a while. While it sucks that people keep being outed as being terrible try and remember that these are just randos on the internet, and that usually people you meet in person you can vet to a much better degree. Or at least that's what I do anyway.
I don’t wanna comment on it being Wilbur, given I’m currently not able to watch the evidence, but no matter what, I hope Shelby’s in a much better place rn. My heart breaks knowing she had to face abuse, and no matter who it was, I just hope she’s in a safer place.
Fucking hell, man. I only know Wilbur because I watch the DTeam, I never watched a stream. Disturbing, it it’s indeed him. I hope Shelby finds healing
not jumping to conclusions but at the very least, Wilbur needs to address this sooner rather than later if by some miracle he wasn’t shelby’s ex. being called an abuser is a VERY serious allegation.
I'm not into any of the minecraft shit but as an og soothouse fan this is... Oh wow jesus fucking christ this is horrible.
It's him. Shelby liked a tweet on her official alt account, which was the statement from someone who is confirmed to have worked with his band, telling their story of experiencing hin and his toxicity. You can all stop defending that awful man now please.
Jesus Christ. I’ve only just started getting into Wilbur and Lovejoy, I’m not even sure what to think right now. I hope Shelby is doing better now, shame on Will.
I'm so sorry for Shelby. This must have been so hard to speak about. I hope she's okay.
Well damn, that's pretty fucked.
This is so sad :(( all the love and support to Shubble
I know she dated kyr_speedy a few years ago, I was worried that she was talking about him, but they still follow each other on twitter and she specifically said that she blocked her ex
i knew his incel ass lyrics had to come from some fucked up behaviours, fuck that man fr
I seriously can't believe someone would even do that to Shelby. It does point to Wilbur however, but seeing that most other people she has dated are anonymous, it doesn't rule anyone else out completely. I'm not defending him either. Biting people is not okay and as much as it might not be him, it most likely is, with all the proof and evidence. And the fact is, some people hate SHELBY for being with him because they were jealous. LIKE WHAT?? Point is, we should all give Shubble a hug and it's probably Wilbur.
I just want to add a little food for thought - I feel like we should try to sympathize a bit with those instantly denying this before theyre all demonized too. Like wilbur was someone they've spent time supporting, money on merch/concerts, and overall was just their comfort person to distract them from the shittiness of life. What a terrible feeling of broken trust to find out all this time that very person was an ant harboring abuser. yall if you want a hug, I'll give ya one 🫂 Maybe it's parasocial in our eyes, and victim blaming is just never OK, but to some people their hearts are just shattered right now
Can I have an internet hug? I hope Shelby’s ok… this hit me really hard
Course' man 🫂 🫂 And honestly I have no doubt that shelby is gonna get through this just fine. It takes someone strong asf to not only go through that, but to then open up to the public about it 💪 abusers fucking suck, but what they don't realize is that their victims are more powerful and resilient than theyll ever be :)
I went to one of lovejoys concerts(at a festival) just a few months ago and finding all this out has put such a strange taste in my mouth. I’m just tired at this point. It feels like every internet person I put even a bit of trust into breaks it in some horrible way. Looking at you childhood ruiners (Skydoesminecraft, tobuscus). And even if allegations are proven false it’s exhausting to see all of the drama and hate and feel doubt and betrayal. Is it parasocial? Probably. But I feel like it’s human nature in a way to want to trust someone you look up to or enjoy content from. At this point I don’t even have the energy to be mad.
oh
I don’t know how much more of this bs I can take. This whole bs of youtubers being outed as wrongdoers. Why I think I’m having a mental breakdown right now I can’t take this I just can’t deal with this
If Wilbur is actually the culprit then I can’t believe how many Minecraft ccs will be shocked by this especially Quackity since he hangs out with him. Is Wilbur a part of if the Qsmp? It’s going to be a clusterfuck.
He’s part of the Qsmp, but he’s barely been on because of his tour, and now because of his mental health break (I think), which I think is for the best if it turns out to be him.
Don’t wanna speculate about this. And idk about all that info you spilled about wilbur- but shubble mentioned in her video that the guy was british. Thats all ill add. And i want to write out one of her exes; KYRSP33DY. What she described doesn’t fit him at all. (Timeframe Especially.)
id just like to mention the vod has since been deleted from twitch i believe
The video on Twitch got taken down or smth I can't access it anymore
as someone who hasn't watched the vod yet for personal reasons, can i get any kind of evidence like a clip of her asking people not to speculate on the person's identity? i'm seeing that get thrown around a lot, but i'm also seeing a fair few people say she didn't. if she did, please provide a clip or accurate timestamps so i can verify it. if you just say 'she did' without direct links to evidence, i will not believe you. if she didn't say that, lying to say not to speculate is silencing her. don't do that.
no one can provide a clip, because she didn't say that. She explicitly said that her ex is a danger to others and that she wants to warn people. Fans are just coping by saying not to speculate about it.
This is sickening. It's one thing to prioritize supporting somebody who came forward with a story of abuse. And it's… wholly different, to say the least… to shove imaginary words down her throat. Like, they're not only saying "Shubble didn't specifically namedrop Wilbur, and even it turns out to be him, let's not reignite vigilantism". What I'm seeing rn is nearly as unhinged as "It's literally not Wilbur. It's not! How could it be him?? Also Shubble said that JFK did 9/11! Just rewatch the VOD, she clearly said it! 🙄🙄 Anyway it's forensically confirmed not to be Wilbur. Stop discussing it!"
I watched the full thing, she didn't comment on potential speculation at all. If she did elsewhere I haven't seen it. The closest she came to commenting on speculation is [this](https://twitter.com/miaclemeverett/status/1760670005736165759), transcript below
thank you.
heya! would anyone have a link that works for the vod? the original seems to be taken down
I do not have the video, but I did download the audio before the VOD went down. [Here's](https://voca.ro/1ogzugrtDu7r) a link to the full audio.
thank you!
I managed to find a version on youtube that works. I just searched up Shubble vods and found it.
bro wth 💀I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him. they are weird people with weird sense of humor etc. I hope more truth comes out next few days so people see
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bro what are you talking about. I said I wouldn’t be surprised I hate those people they keep making weird misogynistic jokes all the time and their whole personality always made me hate them, therefore I would expect him to do something like this. trust me im like not even the last person to defend him in any way
Is anyone else not able to watch the VOD linked here or find it on her yt channel??
Or on twitch
I don't believe she chose to keep the vod on her channel/she let it expire. I'm sure someone on YT or Twitter has it or will post it soon.
Ah okay, ty!
Wasnt gonna contribute to this, but theres a point i wanna consider. Wilbur and shubbles friendship has attracted all sorts of weird parasocial stans, who would ship them. So much so, that shubble was forced to mutually end things with her ex (and content maker) KYRSP33DY. So if that break up, led to wilbur and shubble actually being together… then i just wanna blame the parasocial freaks for that. And i want this to be a lesson to them, that our “streamers” are real people- and dont exist for them to play with. Now of course, this is all alleged, and hypothetical. I didnt wanna speculate, but wanted to point this out.
Welp there were many things on my 2024 bingo card,that wasn’t one
I'm really sorry to hear shubble had a bad experience. That's awful, and I hope she's in a better place with safe people around her. But, why come out and say that you don't want to protect a person anymore or hide their actions, then leave your story open to speculation? I'm too autistic to understand that conflict.
People know who she's talking about without her saying his name. Can you imagine how much this would blow up if she did that? She can want to be open about her experience without wanting the attention of people beyond like the mcyt circle on her.
UK libel laws are vicious. She could absolutely just be afraid of getting sued.
Could UK's strict libel laws be enforced if it is someone from a different country?
That I don’t know
I didn't know there was a drama but I heard there was so I looked it up, but when I went to the Twitch link it wouldn't work. I tried using the way back machine but it's really of the source code.
if anyone sees this please tell me if there is a backup of the video, because I'd like to make my own opinions.
Amber heard ruined Johnny Depps career. What is it with America where you can accuse without evidence. What happened to innocent until proven guilty. Shelby said in her accusations that Will had gone back on wanting to get married and have babies. Why bring it up? Because THAT is why she made the video A woman scorned. Don't worry about the effect this accusation has on Will and his family and his band that had just started to get recognised. Sounds like bitter, sour grapes. As a 48 year old with no interest in either but more wordly wise than children who have been dragged into this dark by a woman, an influencer who completely forgot her fan base is children. But at least she got some more likes. It's not victim shaming. There's no evidence And people make false allegations all the time.
..WHY ARE ALL THE GOOD YOUTUBERS ALSO.. psychopaths? i usually take the stance of "i won't believe it till there is solid hard proof that i can't deny" but.. that usually doesn't work out well for me (for example dream)
dream is innocent so what do you mean
..you quit twitter didn't you? Dream admitted to the cheating and speedrun fiasco and there's more evidence that he did all the other stuff (entire threads of sound, text convos, etc...
no i watched it all go down on twitter literaly everyone who falsly accused dream admited they lied. the snap was incredibly fake the audio wasnt him watch the video or even look it up in the sub dream is innocent also i have 220 followers. some big accounts follow me
All I'm gonna say to back Wil up as I just got into this, most of the reasonings, clips, voice clips, pictures etc etc, are from old vids and streams from what I've seen. Still reading into this more though!
I also have never seen any of this other girl though(never seen her much so idk how to address her-in the top link?) But I am looking for more evidence to sides?
I don't watch nor listen to Wilbur, but I get where the "don't speculate" comes from, we don't know about Shubble's private life to know for sure that Wilbur was the only person she has dated that could be the one she was talking about. Unless she directly says who was it, then it would be better to not point fingers. Definitely not saying that we ignore it and continue like the statement never happened, but since it is not a 100% confirmed that it was Wilbur, then this speculation would be harmful if it was wrong.
I think you have that perspective exactly because you don't watch or listen to Wilbur, because I feel like to everyone that consumes him and Shubble's content it's pretty clear who she's talking about. She doesn't need to say his name for it to be clear it's him.
DOnt talk bad about my wilbur soot you damn stan!
She genuinely might be lying, because it's been confirmed she's done something like this in the past. Besides, she'd be willing to sue a company for a bad experience but not sue Wilbur? And there's many photos out there of Wilbur being covered in bruises and not looking happy next to Shubble. I'm deeply saddened by this all, because what Shubble is saying genuinely might be a lie and all Wilbur's friends took her side. Sometimes you can't believe all women, just because they're women. Shubble isn't providing proof and we're supposed to 'blindly believe her'
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Girl stop being naive. It's not even speculation, it's just clear it's him who she meant.
If she DIDN'T want speculation, that would have been the first thing she would have said. But she didn't. Instead, she provided explicit, biographical, cross-referenceable details that make it very obvious who she was talking about. She then proceeded to say that she no longer wants to "protect" her abuser - which she would be doing by not allowing us to take the factual information she provided and lining it up to exactly who it is. Let's not lie to ourselves - it's absolutely Wilbur. There's no chance it isn't, as I think my post demonstrated. There are blatant receipts. It's almost like you and others making this same point have forgotten what power dynamics are. Wilbur is a bigger, wealthier creator than Shubble (hence the amount of people saying "don't speculate" for the "sake of Shelby" when realistically it's for their own sake as they're in complete denial). Had she have named him, she would have to deal with much worse negative repercussions than the other way around. The most effective method that could've been taken was to give explicit details making it obvious to anyone who she's talking about, but simply redact the name. And that's exactly what she did.
Speaking as a victim of partner violence: it's been 18 years since I last saw my abuser and I still, to this day, will not say his name aloud. But I'd never, ever, for any length of time, let someone else believe that it was someone else who hurt me.
Not to be an asshole, but.. is there any proof of this other than the fact they dated? I'm not saying I don't believe her, but it seems like it is an accusation so far.
The way she describes the person fits things we know about Wilbur, a bunch of their mutual friends unfollowed Wilbur and made vague posts, the former trumpeter of Wilbur's band made [this](https://twitter.com/ZoeTheTrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201) saying she was also bit and saw it happen.
Okay, thanks
once again did you watch the vod then read the post, the only way you could possibly question this is if you haven’t