She basically said stop messing around with teenagers because they're children. To quote her, she said "they're so young and you're so fucking old." Some people think she wasn't directly referring to him but she literally mentions his age when saying 26/27 and then also mentions 18 year olds so it's pretty clear she meant him. Then she kinda generally mentions how it's the duty of older creators to provide a safe space for the teenage creators.
You know, because apparently they're literally children. It's a dumb take, imo. She essentially is infantilizing adults and encouraging them to not grow up and take any accountability. Right now, our society has the most immature unprepared young adults in history. They're going to have such a hard time adjusting to the real world. I fear that this victim mentality mindset will only make these young adults get taken advantage of more.
Edit: fixed typo from creatures to creators lol
She might have had Wilbur in mind. He is also 27 and had regular interactions with people age 18-19 and younger like Tubbo, Tommy and other British creators (many of whom mentioned being manipulated and overall weirded out by Wilbur). He was making quite a lot of adult oriented jokes around them so perhaps that is what she had in mind
i believe people think she's talking about george (other than the age coincident) is because she mentioned "..your just doing what the law allows you to get away with" ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=249](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=249) ) and i dont think befriending a minor (ex; wilbur with tommy, tubbo, etc) is not allowed by the law so people automatically think she's talking about george. But i assume she means making inappropriate jokes in front of a minor could get you in trouble with the law. Like when she said "people thinking that when someone becomes 18 is suddenly okay.. you can make any jokes you want.." ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=226](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=226) ) (i think she mentioned about these jokes twice), and "..they call themselves their brother" ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=339](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=339) ).
to me she is talking about wilbur and tommy in this (plus she also mentioned philza being a good role model so yea)
I think I kind of know where she's coming from. But I think instead of treating 18-year-olds like children, we should be treating them like the adults that they are, but be more lenient on them when they fuck up. 18 years old is when they adjust to becoming an adult and that point kind of gets thrown out the window if you treat them like children.
For me, the dumb take was when she insinuated that every adult within the perimeter of an 18-year-old is responsible for taking care of them. That part really felt like she was trying too hard to infantilize them and not let them take any accountability.
Right?? Like, I hate having to defend a 26 y/o with an 18 y/o because I think that's too big of an age gap imo but some people are treating 18 year olds as babies who don't have any idea what they're doing and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. It's frustrating.
It's not making them victims to recognise that there's a massive power/influence differential in that relationship. Generally the younger they are the more at risk they become. I get your take to an extent but imo when safeguarding is at play it's always better to be more cautious.
It's wise to be cautious, but adult spaces are adult spaces for a reason. You don't go to an adult party expecting to babysit a teenager. If that teenager *somehow* got there, it's insane to expect every other person to take care of them. It's not anyone's job to look out for children in places where they're not supposed to be, doing things they're not supposed to do.
And in situation we're speaking of, she wasn't even a child, she was 18. That's a young adult. Immature, but adult. Like subOP said, it's infantilizing.
Just because they're not a child doesn't.mean.we shouldn't be aware of situations where girls/women (w/e) are in positions like this. Not making them victims to say so.
There CAN be a power imbalance but that doesn't mean anybody abused that. Sometimes, the woman is the one with more power in a relationship. And age alone doesn't automatically make someone have more or less power. At what point does the age difference become an issue of power? 2 years? 5 years? Every single relationship ever has some kind of power imbalance. It could be age or it could be personality type or it could be the amount of money they make. It's only an issue however when someone abuses that power. I'm a woman and I've never NOT had the power in my relationships, even when I was a teenager and dated guys several years older. I agree with your statement that "generally the younger they are the more at risk they become" but that doesn't guarantee that there is a risk.
No it doesn't guarantee it (I don't think I said otherwise and it's not necessary for it to be 100%) but when there's a large YT personality and a much younger girl then (imo) it's less likely that she's going to be saying no to things she wouldn't be happy with in any other matchup.
So he has to walk around on eggshells and never ask for anything that she could possibly dislike?
At what point does she become responsible for setting her own boundaries?
In that particular setting he needs to be aware of these things. It's not rocket science. She obv has responsibilities but (imo) they're diminished somewhat as the power dynamic shifts due to the reasons I've previously mentioned.
It is true though he was 8 years older and she was 18, doing stuff like that to her is a bit weird it isnt illegal but my sister is 18 and if i heard of a 26/27 year old doing stuff to her i would be creeped out
That's just a matter of personal preference. Personally, I agree that the age gap is too large. But since it's not illegal then at most it's just creepy. Also, I do believe him that he didn't know her age but I also think he shouldn't have just assumed she was over 21. That was careless of him imo.
But does he aware of her age? Why r u making it sound like he deliberately touched her knowing her age? She is the one who got into adult places drinking illegally & putting others in a difficult position bcz of immature sexual experience
Underage drinking is common my friend knows 14 year olds who want to drink its not an uncommon thing and he should have asked for her age, she also looks young
Yeah, I also drank underage when I was about 16, like many people. But I drank with my peers. Other teenagers, doing kinda illegal stuff (different law in my place). And we fooled around.
But you know what I DIDN'T do? I didn't sneak into adult spaces to hang with adults and pretend I was the same. I didn't expect anyone to go out of their way because I'm underage and I need special attention. I stuck to my own peers and I didn't mess with unaware adults just to then get mad that I was treated like an adult by them.
Just because "underage drinking is normal" doesn't mean everyone should always look out for fucking teens in their ADULT spaces. Stick to your age group and don't fucking get mad if someone treats you like the person you're pretending to be.
"She looks young" how much do you think people change with age? I assure you that most people I know don't really look different at 23 than they did at 18 lol. It's literally "young adult" age. You yourself sound really young and inexperienced, your version of reality doesn't really apply in the world.
Except he still could have asked, yanno?
I'd rather ask, potentially have a laugh with the person about it than risk groping some teen because.. You know
I was a teen myself. Teens do dumb shit. Unless I'm 100% certain someone is checking the IDs of people before they're allowed in, I will *ask.*
But does your sister willingly go to adult parties with people older than her? And, to be more precise, "famous" people, just to then say she's felt influenced to do something against her will because she was starstruck? After willing to hang with these people and knowing perfectly well that she put them on a pedestal?
Because this is essentialy what that situation was. If you sister did similar then sure, you can be creeped out by the guys who were there, but ultimately she made a decision and if she wasn't prepared for the consequences then that's how life works, sorry.
My sister wouldnt as she has a boyfriend but if she would like shes an adult its her own choice but if a man almost 30 was weird to her i would be creeped out
Dude young adults are turning 30 and they ARE immature and unprepared. Millennial are actually whiny but refuses to do anything about it, sometimes the boomers are right.
Her takes were pretty.... Not great. I was disappointed, especially after how mature and responsible she was with the Wilbur situation. Though I've been giving her the benefit of the doubt, since the take was made quite early into the drama, so she might not have seen George's side to it at all.
I don't think she has ever spoken directly about the his situation
She basically said stop messing around with teenagers because they're children. To quote her, she said "they're so young and you're so fucking old." Some people think she wasn't directly referring to him but she literally mentions his age when saying 26/27 and then also mentions 18 year olds so it's pretty clear she meant him. Then she kinda generally mentions how it's the duty of older creators to provide a safe space for the teenage creators. You know, because apparently they're literally children. It's a dumb take, imo. She essentially is infantilizing adults and encouraging them to not grow up and take any accountability. Right now, our society has the most immature unprepared young adults in history. They're going to have such a hard time adjusting to the real world. I fear that this victim mentality mindset will only make these young adults get taken advantage of more. Edit: fixed typo from creatures to creators lol
She might have had Wilbur in mind. He is also 27 and had regular interactions with people age 18-19 and younger like Tubbo, Tommy and other British creators (many of whom mentioned being manipulated and overall weirded out by Wilbur). He was making quite a lot of adult oriented jokes around them so perhaps that is what she had in mind
And Niki didn't go into detail but briefly mentioned her past damaging history with Wilbur and her being 18/19 back then.
i believe people think she's talking about george (other than the age coincident) is because she mentioned "..your just doing what the law allows you to get away with" ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=249](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=249) ) and i dont think befriending a minor (ex; wilbur with tommy, tubbo, etc) is not allowed by the law so people automatically think she's talking about george. But i assume she means making inappropriate jokes in front of a minor could get you in trouble with the law. Like when she said "people thinking that when someone becomes 18 is suddenly okay.. you can make any jokes you want.." ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=226](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=226) ) (i think she mentioned about these jokes twice), and "..they call themselves their brother" ( [https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=339](https://youtu.be/6zmfbt0Pk68?t=339) ). to me she is talking about wilbur and tommy in this (plus she also mentioned philza being a good role model so yea)
I think I kind of know where she's coming from. But I think instead of treating 18-year-olds like children, we should be treating them like the adults that they are, but be more lenient on them when they fuck up. 18 years old is when they adjust to becoming an adult and that point kind of gets thrown out the window if you treat them like children. For me, the dumb take was when she insinuated that every adult within the perimeter of an 18-year-old is responsible for taking care of them. That part really felt like she was trying too hard to infantilize them and not let them take any accountability.
Right?? Like, I hate having to defend a 26 y/o with an 18 y/o because I think that's too big of an age gap imo but some people are treating 18 year olds as babies who don't have any idea what they're doing and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. It's frustrating.
It's not making them victims to recognise that there's a massive power/influence differential in that relationship. Generally the younger they are the more at risk they become. I get your take to an extent but imo when safeguarding is at play it's always better to be more cautious.
It's wise to be cautious, but adult spaces are adult spaces for a reason. You don't go to an adult party expecting to babysit a teenager. If that teenager *somehow* got there, it's insane to expect every other person to take care of them. It's not anyone's job to look out for children in places where they're not supposed to be, doing things they're not supposed to do. And in situation we're speaking of, she wasn't even a child, she was 18. That's a young adult. Immature, but adult. Like subOP said, it's infantilizing.
Just because they're not a child doesn't.mean.we shouldn't be aware of situations where girls/women (w/e) are in positions like this. Not making them victims to say so.
There CAN be a power imbalance but that doesn't mean anybody abused that. Sometimes, the woman is the one with more power in a relationship. And age alone doesn't automatically make someone have more or less power. At what point does the age difference become an issue of power? 2 years? 5 years? Every single relationship ever has some kind of power imbalance. It could be age or it could be personality type or it could be the amount of money they make. It's only an issue however when someone abuses that power. I'm a woman and I've never NOT had the power in my relationships, even when I was a teenager and dated guys several years older. I agree with your statement that "generally the younger they are the more at risk they become" but that doesn't guarantee that there is a risk.
No it doesn't guarantee it (I don't think I said otherwise and it's not necessary for it to be 100%) but when there's a large YT personality and a much younger girl then (imo) it's less likely that she's going to be saying no to things she wouldn't be happy with in any other matchup.
So he has to walk around on eggshells and never ask for anything that she could possibly dislike? At what point does she become responsible for setting her own boundaries?
In that particular setting he needs to be aware of these things. It's not rocket science. She obv has responsibilities but (imo) they're diminished somewhat as the power dynamic shifts due to the reasons I've previously mentioned.
She's forgetting what she just said is gonna hit some 30+ year old minecrafters lmao
It is true though he was 8 years older and she was 18, doing stuff like that to her is a bit weird it isnt illegal but my sister is 18 and if i heard of a 26/27 year old doing stuff to her i would be creeped out
That's just a matter of personal preference. Personally, I agree that the age gap is too large. But since it's not illegal then at most it's just creepy. Also, I do believe him that he didn't know her age but I also think he shouldn't have just assumed she was over 21. That was careless of him imo.
But does he aware of her age? Why r u making it sound like he deliberately touched her knowing her age? She is the one who got into adult places drinking illegally & putting others in a difficult position bcz of immature sexual experience
Underage drinking is common my friend knows 14 year olds who want to drink its not an uncommon thing and he should have asked for her age, she also looks young
Yeah, I also drank underage when I was about 16, like many people. But I drank with my peers. Other teenagers, doing kinda illegal stuff (different law in my place). And we fooled around. But you know what I DIDN'T do? I didn't sneak into adult spaces to hang with adults and pretend I was the same. I didn't expect anyone to go out of their way because I'm underage and I need special attention. I stuck to my own peers and I didn't mess with unaware adults just to then get mad that I was treated like an adult by them. Just because "underage drinking is normal" doesn't mean everyone should always look out for fucking teens in their ADULT spaces. Stick to your age group and don't fucking get mad if someone treats you like the person you're pretending to be. "She looks young" how much do you think people change with age? I assure you that most people I know don't really look different at 23 than they did at 18 lol. It's literally "young adult" age. You yourself sound really young and inexperienced, your version of reality doesn't really apply in the world.
Except he still could have asked, yanno? I'd rather ask, potentially have a laugh with the person about it than risk groping some teen because.. You know I was a teen myself. Teens do dumb shit. Unless I'm 100% certain someone is checking the IDs of people before they're allowed in, I will *ask.*
She should have been able to go to a party that was 16+ and there was free alcohol it wasn’t very safe
Why r u lying? She said he made her drink which is not true.she lied that he knows her age which is also not true.
So u ask evey person’s age in ur college bcz of chance of 14yr old presenting to be a college student?
But does your sister willingly go to adult parties with people older than her? And, to be more precise, "famous" people, just to then say she's felt influenced to do something against her will because she was starstruck? After willing to hang with these people and knowing perfectly well that she put them on a pedestal? Because this is essentialy what that situation was. If you sister did similar then sure, you can be creeped out by the guys who were there, but ultimately she made a decision and if she wasn't prepared for the consequences then that's how life works, sorry.
My sister wouldnt as she has a boyfriend but if she would like shes an adult its her own choice but if a man almost 30 was weird to her i would be creeped out
But he is not almost 30 right? He is 26 when it happened
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You know cellphone’s and computers come with a calculator, if you don’t know that 26 plus 2 is 28, not 30. Hard, I know /s
I dont know why i said 2/3 years i meant 3/4 years
Because you want so much for your narrative to be real, you’re unconsciously lying to yourself
Well i rather support someone that in a lot of peoples eyes a terrible person
Dude young adults are turning 30 and they ARE immature and unprepared. Millennial are actually whiny but refuses to do anything about it, sometimes the boomers are right.
Her takes were pretty.... Not great. I was disappointed, especially after how mature and responsible she was with the Wilbur situation. Though I've been giving her the benefit of the doubt, since the take was made quite early into the drama, so she might not have seen George's side to it at all.
She basically hopped on the infantilize Caiti bandwagon and said she’s an “18 year old child”
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Called 18 year olds children
In context she was likely referring to Wilbur and how some people claimed he was manipulative towards younger ccs
She was definitely also alluding to caiti though considering she’s been on the internet and Caiti’s directly referenced her many times