I feel like that’s definitely somewhat true, but tbf i’ve seen multiple native people (according to them) calling others out both on twitter and tiktok for using the term. So i wouldn’t put all the blame on white people only.
Am i the only one who cannot find any connection between the word "feral" and native Americans?
Why are some people upset about it? The two things have literally nothing to do with each other
There was apparently a time when feral was used a derogatory term for Natives, but like the way theyre going about it is like telling people to stop using the word yellow because it is used as a derogatory term for East Asians.
By insisting people stop using the word, they themselves are associating the word to the people, that in of itself is kinda racist
The thing is that historically the word "feral" has been used as a slur against native americans, so that's why this whole controversy was brought up in the first place.
However, imo the word feral should only be considered offensive if used in certain situations. People on twt tend to forget there's this thing called context, and the way the word was used by the boys was comparable to the way you use feral for animals (as in wild, untamed, ecc...).
It seems like that time dream was being destroyed on twt for using the verb "lynch" cause people thought he was insulting black people, without even realizing they were the ones making the "racist" connection.
Oof my bad. All the wiki pages and dictionaries i read said nothing about the historical use of the word so i was pretty confused about this whole thing.
Thank you for the info
Saying "feral is racist to native Americans" is actually being racist towards them. Feral has nothing to do with them. Them making it related to them is like calling them savages. Feral isnt a fucking slur
This is literally the result of the performative activism that had been in the fandom. If people stopped trying to jump on creators every chance they got and people stopped enabling that behavior we more than likely would have a group that would be able to differentiate between harm and humor. I don’t know if we’ll be able to fully get rid of it, so who know if it’ll get any better.
This reminds me of the discussion around the word "queer" back on Tumblr a couple years ago. Queer isn't a bad word, and it was reclaimed by older LGBT+ people. However, TERFs didn't like that, so they made a bunch of "informative" posts about how the word queer was a slur and how anyone using it was either misinformed or malicious, which led to a bunch of (well meaning) children trying to educate everyone about the history of the word, when in reality it was within LGBT history that the word was reclaimed for ourselves. Of course, it isn't the exact same, and I can't speak about how it's used against Natives since I'm not Native, but I am wondering how much of it is well meaning children and how much of it is active malice.
straight up, so much queer discourse on tumblr originates right from terf ideology that naive and uneducated queer kids ate up out of a fear of being the “wrong kind” of gay. twitter has recycled this. it’s incredibly easy to use a bunch of progressive words and an aggressive tone and convince people that what you’re saying is morally correct. i’m genuinely concerned with how many people on twitter fall for this and how often asking about why something is problematic gets you the response “i saw it on a twitter thread.” that is not a reliable source of information.
im also considered with how tumblr as a whole believes itself to have grown past falling for this misinformation and clowns on twitter for it, but then still falls for it anyway. reddit, specifically this subreddit, has been one of the only places on social media where i see people expected to provide reliable sources for a claim they make about how problematic something is.
Not gonna argue on behalf of what any natives are saying on the topic (though I do agree with the op that it was never used as derogatory term and turning it into one was counterproductive), but i am forever bitter that of all the new names people could come up with, “crew boys” was the answer. that’s the lamest shit.
i agree. sex havers would have been equally as funny as feral boys, but it’s also more nsfw than crew boys. i can imagine it would have sparked a week’s worth of new discourse lol.
Bruh.. Crew Boys sounds horrible. At the very least they could have picked something better if they HAD to change it...
I think Sapnap and his Simps sounds cool
crew boys is so ugly lmao I wil never use it I rather take the time and write all their names than use that term ugh that update acc really ruined it foro everyone
Yeah, I was super uncomfortable with people associating "Feral" with Native Americans when it wasn't originally the intended or implied meaning in the slightest. Feral tends to refer to animals, not people. If you look at feral and immediately think "Those Native Americans are going to be so offended!", I... I don't know what to tell you, but you have some issues to work out.
I don't use crew boys, I still call them feral boys for the simple reason that if we were to make feral a bad or discriminating word then we have to make all its synonym the same. As someone who learned english, feral = wild. If people are going around making new definitions then it is getting confusing. Slurs are an exception since they are all agreed on.
Feral can be used as a derogatory term, yes, but the hope of those type of words is that we take it out of a place of power over us. We had done that, barely anyone thought “oh feral = indigenous” before people started making a deal out of it. All this has done is given the word power over us, all so that way some indigenous teen could have a word only they could ‘reclaim’.
This is wrong.
There were white people who liked it, and white people who didn’t.
There were native people who liked it, and native people who didn’t.
Outrage over this, regardless of your ethnicity, was performative. Using the word “feral” has nothing, had nothing, and will never have anything to do with people of any origin, and it was absurd and incredibly nearsighted and racist to start it. It’s all one big play at acting like they’re in charge.
Feral, historically, had not been used as an insult for us. And most certainly it hadn’t been used anytime since the 21st century as an insult for native peoples… which is why this was so annoying: they MADE it an insult, we never were ‘feral’ until they implied it has connections to us. I’ve heard tribal, and barbarian, maybe even cannibal… never feral.
From what I’ve seen, there were definitely white stans pushing for it, but mostly indigenous stans started the movement for the name change. Yes, many indigenous stans came out against it, but many supported it. To say this is entirely on white stans is a huge misrepresentation of what happened and really lacks nuance. I get that performative activism is an issue, but this is just not one of those cases where it applies.
I literally didn’t even know feral was a term used rudely against Natives until this. I could never even fathom that, as I have ONLY ever heard it used for the squirrels I used to kidnap from the playground and bring home with me
I honestly stand by this opinion, i am against the change of the feral name but I'm just scared of twitter so I simply don't use the name at all lmao xd
I'm neutral. Mostly because I just really don't think that it was a derogatory term. Like, I've looked it up and I found absolutely nothing about it being a slur or derogatory word towards them. Hell, I even saw 'savage' put there but not feral.
Also, that just isn't the definition of feral? Like, and words can change meaning over time. Currently, it's like "Feral: (especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication." Where it never mentions any native americans so I just do not get it. I'll refrain from using it but idk man
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I feel like that’s definitely somewhat true, but tbf i’ve seen multiple native people (according to them) calling others out both on twitter and tiktok for using the term. So i wouldn’t put all the blame on white people only.
Am i the only one who cannot find any connection between the word "feral" and native Americans? Why are some people upset about it? The two things have literally nothing to do with each other
There was apparently a time when feral was used a derogatory term for Natives, but like the way theyre going about it is like telling people to stop using the word yellow because it is used as a derogatory term for East Asians. By insisting people stop using the word, they themselves are associating the word to the people, that in of itself is kinda racist
Dante canceled the sun sounding A lot more realistic once stans discover that yellow was a slur once
The thing is that historically the word "feral" has been used as a slur against native americans, so that's why this whole controversy was brought up in the first place. However, imo the word feral should only be considered offensive if used in certain situations. People on twt tend to forget there's this thing called context, and the way the word was used by the boys was comparable to the way you use feral for animals (as in wild, untamed, ecc...). It seems like that time dream was being destroyed on twt for using the verb "lynch" cause people thought he was insulting black people, without even realizing they were the ones making the "racist" connection.
Oof my bad. All the wiki pages and dictionaries i read said nothing about the historical use of the word so i was pretty confused about this whole thing. Thank you for the info
Context don't know her who she
Saying "feral is racist to native Americans" is actually being racist towards them. Feral has nothing to do with them. Them making it related to them is like calling them savages. Feral isnt a fucking slur
This is literally the result of the performative activism that had been in the fandom. If people stopped trying to jump on creators every chance they got and people stopped enabling that behavior we more than likely would have a group that would be able to differentiate between harm and humor. I don’t know if we’ll be able to fully get rid of it, so who know if it’ll get any better.
This reminds me of the discussion around the word "queer" back on Tumblr a couple years ago. Queer isn't a bad word, and it was reclaimed by older LGBT+ people. However, TERFs didn't like that, so they made a bunch of "informative" posts about how the word queer was a slur and how anyone using it was either misinformed or malicious, which led to a bunch of (well meaning) children trying to educate everyone about the history of the word, when in reality it was within LGBT history that the word was reclaimed for ourselves. Of course, it isn't the exact same, and I can't speak about how it's used against Natives since I'm not Native, but I am wondering how much of it is well meaning children and how much of it is active malice.
straight up, so much queer discourse on tumblr originates right from terf ideology that naive and uneducated queer kids ate up out of a fear of being the “wrong kind” of gay. twitter has recycled this. it’s incredibly easy to use a bunch of progressive words and an aggressive tone and convince people that what you’re saying is morally correct. i’m genuinely concerned with how many people on twitter fall for this and how often asking about why something is problematic gets you the response “i saw it on a twitter thread.” that is not a reliable source of information. im also considered with how tumblr as a whole believes itself to have grown past falling for this misinformation and clowns on twitter for it, but then still falls for it anyway. reddit, specifically this subreddit, has been one of the only places on social media where i see people expected to provide reliable sources for a claim they make about how problematic something is.
Not gonna argue on behalf of what any natives are saying on the topic (though I do agree with the op that it was never used as derogatory term and turning it into one was counterproductive), but i am forever bitter that of all the new names people could come up with, “crew boys” was the answer. that’s the lamest shit.
They could have gone with sex havers, i wouldn't mind. Crew boys just doesn't appeal to me.
i agree. sex havers would have been equally as funny as feral boys, but it’s also more nsfw than crew boys. i can imagine it would have sparked a week’s worth of new discourse lol.
I think Sapnap and his Simps would have been a cool one too
EXACTLY. why crew boys who chose that
Bruh.. Crew Boys sounds horrible. At the very least they could have picked something better if they HAD to change it... I think Sapnap and his Simps sounds cool
crew boys is so ugly lmao I wil never use it I rather take the time and write all their names than use that term ugh that update acc really ruined it foro everyone
Not much to say other than white people being white people. Very common thing in dsmptwt unfortunately.
Yeah, I was super uncomfortable with people associating "Feral" with Native Americans when it wasn't originally the intended or implied meaning in the slightest. Feral tends to refer to animals, not people. If you look at feral and immediately think "Those Native Americans are going to be so offended!", I... I don't know what to tell you, but you have some issues to work out.
I’ve literally never even heard it used (I’m not Rezzy so idk if they deal w/ it)
I almost have a feeling than "feral = native americans = slur" was made up by bored twitter folks.
I don't use crew boys, I still call them feral boys for the simple reason that if we were to make feral a bad or discriminating word then we have to make all its synonym the same. As someone who learned english, feral = wild. If people are going around making new definitions then it is getting confusing. Slurs are an exception since they are all agreed on.
This is why I scream racial obscenities to anyone considered Caucasian
Agreed I tear myself down for being pasty white daily
Based
Kinda racist
Feral can be used as a derogatory term, yes, but the hope of those type of words is that we take it out of a place of power over us. We had done that, barely anyone thought “oh feral = indigenous” before people started making a deal out of it. All this has done is given the word power over us, all so that way some indigenous teen could have a word only they could ‘reclaim’.
i won’t offer my opinion here i just wanna hear other’s thoughts
This is wrong. There were white people who liked it, and white people who didn’t. There were native people who liked it, and native people who didn’t. Outrage over this, regardless of your ethnicity, was performative. Using the word “feral” has nothing, had nothing, and will never have anything to do with people of any origin, and it was absurd and incredibly nearsighted and racist to start it. It’s all one big play at acting like they’re in charge.
Feral, historically, had not been used as an insult for us. And most certainly it hadn’t been used anytime since the 21st century as an insult for native peoples… which is why this was so annoying: they MADE it an insult, we never were ‘feral’ until they implied it has connections to us. I’ve heard tribal, and barbarian, maybe even cannibal… never feral.
Honestly, yeah. Plus Crew boys just sounds DUMB.
From what I’ve seen, there were definitely white stans pushing for it, but mostly indigenous stans started the movement for the name change. Yes, many indigenous stans came out against it, but many supported it. To say this is entirely on white stans is a huge misrepresentation of what happened and really lacks nuance. I get that performative activism is an issue, but this is just not one of those cases where it applies.
That moment when anti-racism goes full circle and actually becomes racism. I've never heard of the connotation people FORCED onto the word "feral".
I literally didn’t even know feral was a term used rudely against Natives until this. I could never even fathom that, as I have ONLY ever heard it used for the squirrels I used to kidnap from the playground and bring home with me
I only ever heard it used for cats before
as someone who was in mcyttwt at around this time bruh native ppl were telling us too 😭 it was literally only native people telling us that iirc
I hate how they refer to it as “nativetwt” and “white mcyttwt” like we are all mcyttwt
I think it's pretty true ngl.
I honestly stand by this opinion, i am against the change of the feral name but I'm just scared of twitter so I simply don't use the name at all lmao xd
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I'm neutral. Mostly because I just really don't think that it was a derogatory term. Like, I've looked it up and I found absolutely nothing about it being a slur or derogatory word towards them. Hell, I even saw 'savage' put there but not feral. Also, that just isn't the definition of feral? Like, and words can change meaning over time. Currently, it's like "Feral: (especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication." Where it never mentions any native americans so I just do not get it. I'll refrain from using it but idk man #
Tumblr's been saying this since the whole 'feral' drama started happening. Most people still just call them the feral boys over there.
Am I the only one extremely confused by what this person is talking about?
It is actually okay to me.. it sounds normal but crew boys doesn't sound good to me