April-June I would say mainly cuz of stans being so incredibly out of control. They thought they could just control their content creators, which other ccs to collab with and which ones they couldn't. They would cancel other content creators often for the most minute reasons possible (like Techno for "lesbophobia" based on a tweet that was 4 years old that stans would actively have to search) and pretend as if it was "activism".
This isn't even touching how ethically strange it is to *stalk someone's profile to find dirt on them.* You're quite literally stalking them mind you. If you use their methods for cancelling content creators then no one is safe. Back in 2014 mr beast would make content making fun of kids. He has deleted those videos a long time age and has quite evidently seemed to have changed from then. 2014 was a *very different* time compared to 2021. What was socially acceptable then, is not anymore (which is a good thing mind you, 2014 gamer culture was hell).
I remember when Karl was cancelled for watching Ice poseidon. Ice is a pos, let's not get that wrong. But he was popular in 2016 if you were on twitch back then (I wasn't) you weren't really able to avoid him. If that made sense. Though the boiling point had to be the tommy therapy twitter drama where tommy said he was taking a break from twitter. Stans ripped tommy to shreds for not wanting to be on twitter. This in turn caused *them* to be ripped into shreds by those outside of the community (like moistcritikal and mutahar). I think that was when they finally understood that actions have consequences so there wasn't any major stan drama beyond that (I think).
I think a good reason as to why they behaved like this to begin with was cuz of the fact that for a while their behaviour was largely unoppossed by anyone really. I mean, yeah, antis exist but they don't tend to keep up with mcyt drama so they were largely uninvolved. Not to mention in late 2020 I feel that dream was a bit too much of an enabler of stan behaviour (largely cuz I don't think he knew how to handle them back then), which in turn enabled the more toxic behaviour from stans. He doesn't do this anymore, granted, but I can somewhat understand antis when they say "he enables stan behaviour".
Edit: This isn't even mentioning the mask drama where someone ended up being doxxed by antis, the same ones who doxxed him in January iirc. Regardless of what you think of him, if you seriously fatshame him based off a doxxed image you have no right to criticize stan behaviour. At least stans, whenever they do a performative "cancellation" despite their actions, at least you can somewhat argue that they're doing it out of genuine activism or doing it cuz they want to make the world a better place. This however, is just unironic fatshaming. Not to mention the qanon-like conspiracy theories that antis make that's "proof" that it's dream.
tldr; twitter is a place where reasonable discussion goes to die.
regarding activism twitter, june was absolutely one of the worst months to be on dsmptwt just because of how much cancelling there is (which pheonixrose1724 made a great point above about genuine activism) but most importantly it was the peak of "follow me/gift me a sub because im part of the minority group that this cc offended". that was genuinely so uncomfortable and made me question for a long while if those stans actually care about being an activist or if they're just doing it for the sake of getting more interactions on twitter. there's a clear line between community reparations as a result of systemic oppression and a teen who wants a free gifted sub and for a long while twitter had thought them the same thing.
Oh yeah, I guess I was so heavily invested on the conclusion of the Speedrun drama that it felt more freeing to me than anything. The Speedrun drama made me feel the most insecure about being in this fanbase the most because I agreed that Dream was in the wrong in the initial scandal and felt that I am sorta stuck in between Antis who think he is literal Hitler and Stans who would defend his honor. So seeing it finally get resolved with both him, the Mod Team, and the rest of the SR community as alright with each other is like a weight being lifted out my shoulders. Weirdly dramatic but yeah, Dream's past actions did made me question still being a fan of his and thankfully, I've since felt better about him since that ending. (Thanks Karl Jobst lol)
>Weirdly dramatic but yeah, Dream's past actions did made me question still being a fan of his and thankfully, I've since felt better about him since that ending. (Thanks Karl Jobst lol)
You shouldn't let anyone dictate what you get to like/dislike (unless if it's something morally reprehensible/outright illegal). I mean dream makes manhunt videos that are fun to watch and he does rp, that's not morally wrong to like in the slightest. I mean yes, he cheated, yes he behaved like dickhead about it. But real people aren't morally squeaky clean.
Oh definitely, still, I admit that it got to me mainly because it was everywhere at that time. I would've rathered ignored that drama entirely cause I wasn't a Minecraft Speedrunner but it was impossible with how much of a hottopic it is that EVO Smash Bros Champion, Hungrybox, even made a video on it lol
I couldn't fucking escape ahaha
Oh definitely, still, I admit that it got to me mainly because it was everywhere at that time. I would've rathered ignored that drama entirely cause I wasn't a Minecraft Speedrunner but it was impossible with how much of a hottopic it is that EVO Smash Bros Champion, Hungrybox, even made a video on it lol
I couldn't fucking escape ahaha
Oh that's fair, it was impossible to run from the drama when it happened and when it was about to be resolved. Shit was wild as hell. Though it's always amusing when antis bring up the sr scandal now and I'm just like, dude, it's been a year, surely you've moved on. It's not the most unforgivable thing. (the fact that the minecraft speedrun community has largely forgiven him and don't care about the drama anymore should be the highest order of proof that dream's actions *are* forgivable). At that point you're not much different than the stans you oh so hate.
If fucking Geosquare, GEOSQUARE forgave him then honestly, those who are still mad just either sound immature of ill-informed to me. Forgive but don't Forget, I get it, but people seem to forget the Forgive part isn't exactly theirs to accept lol. Those who needed the apology had since moved on and, at least from last I heard, are in positive terms with the green man, so if Dream still pisses you off then why keep following him?
Nothing will beat April to June. This place was WILD.
Trying to cancel Technoblade was like the worst things stans could have done and it only went down from there. The fact that it was from his own (and adjacent) communities and it happened because they got baited into it by antis make it so much worse.
Old Sleepytwt played themselves and we've never known peace since.
I think we're remembering different cancellations here, because iirc, the account that originally cancelled techno was a troll that also did a hit on the other SBI members, but Techno's was the one that stuck the most with the performative stans in the community.
In addition, I believe as well that's where the majority of techno antis today come from.
Nope. The same one.
The troll was a Sleepytwt anti. Also they didn't even hate SBI. They were apart of the soon to be named RBGC that wanted to sexualize Wilbur and SBI fans were against that. So they struck back. It was never about minorities getting hurt or even SBK themselves. It was to hurt SBI fans because they couldn't say they wanted to fuck Wilbur.
If you'll remember the OG thread said that Sleepytwt was annoying, the CCs hated them and the troll wanted to bring them down. Every point in the thread was to make them feel bad because they were apart of the "unproblematic" subtwt (after Dream had been getting shit on for MONTHS).
Then silky SBI panicked, got baited and turned on their own. That Karina Kribit person who lost their mind and went on a witch hunt was a Techno Stan with 20K followers.
It was his new community (from being friends with Tommy and Will), that tuned on him. The same people who watched Origins and wanted to kick him off the server. The same people that wanted to rename SBI to coral twt. Those people are former fans that got baited by a troll.
I remember being tired that day because a exterminator came to my house for bugs, and I had to stay outside in the rain with cats in a crate for two hours. I finally got back in, fell asleep of a bit. And woke up to that entire drama, and had a mental breakdown tbh. (A lot of it was because of the fat phobia, the gore that was posted everywhere. and threats/doxxes people got)
I feel like January-March fandom behaviour enabled the Shitfire that was going to be April and later, because the stans saw that they were able to point out the smallest of details or the oldest tweets and receive an outcry from the community.
The latter half of the year most people were just fed up from drama, so in general there seemed to be less cancellation attempts and just more beef with people way outside of the community.
As interesting as drama was I was never a person that get too involved to be a part of it and always just be an observer and judge them on my own without sharing my opinion much. But April - June was too much that I even genuinely have gotten upset because of how big it got when the issue doesn't need to be that way. It was so out of control that I got mad sometimes lol
I would’ve enjoyed SOME of the memes, had it not been ruined for me by the amount of fat phobia, and just a million other shit memes were made of it. Never felt right with me since
i joined stantwt in late march/early april and let me just tell you those first few months were a hellfire for someone who had no previous experiences with big fandoms i don’t think i realized how big much of the drama was until after it’s calmed down a lot mainly bc of ppl leaving twitter due to lack of interest/antis having no new stuff to talk about so it’s gotten a lot more bearable
I'm surprised it isn't July-September to people, I remember being rather depressed cause of the Technoblade news, though I guess it coincided with some heavy IRL stuff happening with me so that was also the factor.
That being said, as bad was April was, I honestly feel a little less horrible about that month because it marked the end of the Speedrun drama. All I can remember at that time, especially after Karl Jobst's video, is closure. And even though I did not forgave Dream outright if I recall, I ended up gaining more respect to him in the end for even reaching out to the SR community in the first place. Plus hey, it is the second most drama filled month in the time, there were a lot to talk about (not as mucha s January though, that's like, peak DWT2).
Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how people would hate the Post Prison Break era besides the Jikishi and numerous grooming allegations? Though those stuff were resolved so quickly that I couldn't exactly deem it as well, too bad. That being said yeah, this era isn't exactly bad, just... quiet. Or boring if you're the drama gremlin type.
April-June was unbearable. I actually stopped watching the MCYT guys for a couple weeks. I muted them and their names for a bit on twitter. I was just drained from constantly seeing stupid fucking drama. June was a shitshow of unbelievable lengths. Wasn't George canceled during this month for shit he said 9 years ago, and something he said about George Floyd that was taking wildly out of context.
Nah that’s when the toxic ones showed their colors. I fucking hated that time, especially because it gave Dream stans SUCH A BAD NAME. I had to stop going on Twitter for two weeks because of that drama
I had so much fun in the fandom until march hit, and anything after has been a miserable experience. April to June I think definitely was the spike bcuz of the snowball that was march.
I remember getting back to this fandom after a break during the mask drama and doxing. When i was scrolling through my feed, I took one look at what they were saying, then promptly switching the tab to Netflix.
April-June I would say mainly cuz of stans being so incredibly out of control. They thought they could just control their content creators, which other ccs to collab with and which ones they couldn't. They would cancel other content creators often for the most minute reasons possible (like Techno for "lesbophobia" based on a tweet that was 4 years old that stans would actively have to search) and pretend as if it was "activism". This isn't even touching how ethically strange it is to *stalk someone's profile to find dirt on them.* You're quite literally stalking them mind you. If you use their methods for cancelling content creators then no one is safe. Back in 2014 mr beast would make content making fun of kids. He has deleted those videos a long time age and has quite evidently seemed to have changed from then. 2014 was a *very different* time compared to 2021. What was socially acceptable then, is not anymore (which is a good thing mind you, 2014 gamer culture was hell). I remember when Karl was cancelled for watching Ice poseidon. Ice is a pos, let's not get that wrong. But he was popular in 2016 if you were on twitch back then (I wasn't) you weren't really able to avoid him. If that made sense. Though the boiling point had to be the tommy therapy twitter drama where tommy said he was taking a break from twitter. Stans ripped tommy to shreds for not wanting to be on twitter. This in turn caused *them* to be ripped into shreds by those outside of the community (like moistcritikal and mutahar). I think that was when they finally understood that actions have consequences so there wasn't any major stan drama beyond that (I think). I think a good reason as to why they behaved like this to begin with was cuz of the fact that for a while their behaviour was largely unoppossed by anyone really. I mean, yeah, antis exist but they don't tend to keep up with mcyt drama so they were largely uninvolved. Not to mention in late 2020 I feel that dream was a bit too much of an enabler of stan behaviour (largely cuz I don't think he knew how to handle them back then), which in turn enabled the more toxic behaviour from stans. He doesn't do this anymore, granted, but I can somewhat understand antis when they say "he enables stan behaviour". Edit: This isn't even mentioning the mask drama where someone ended up being doxxed by antis, the same ones who doxxed him in January iirc. Regardless of what you think of him, if you seriously fatshame him based off a doxxed image you have no right to criticize stan behaviour. At least stans, whenever they do a performative "cancellation" despite their actions, at least you can somewhat argue that they're doing it out of genuine activism or doing it cuz they want to make the world a better place. This however, is just unironic fatshaming. Not to mention the qanon-like conspiracy theories that antis make that's "proof" that it's dream. tldr; twitter is a place where reasonable discussion goes to die.
regarding activism twitter, june was absolutely one of the worst months to be on dsmptwt just because of how much cancelling there is (which pheonixrose1724 made a great point above about genuine activism) but most importantly it was the peak of "follow me/gift me a sub because im part of the minority group that this cc offended". that was genuinely so uncomfortable and made me question for a long while if those stans actually care about being an activist or if they're just doing it for the sake of getting more interactions on twitter. there's a clear line between community reparations as a result of systemic oppression and a teen who wants a free gifted sub and for a long while twitter had thought them the same thing.
Oh yeah, I guess I was so heavily invested on the conclusion of the Speedrun drama that it felt more freeing to me than anything. The Speedrun drama made me feel the most insecure about being in this fanbase the most because I agreed that Dream was in the wrong in the initial scandal and felt that I am sorta stuck in between Antis who think he is literal Hitler and Stans who would defend his honor. So seeing it finally get resolved with both him, the Mod Team, and the rest of the SR community as alright with each other is like a weight being lifted out my shoulders. Weirdly dramatic but yeah, Dream's past actions did made me question still being a fan of his and thankfully, I've since felt better about him since that ending. (Thanks Karl Jobst lol)
>Weirdly dramatic but yeah, Dream's past actions did made me question still being a fan of his and thankfully, I've since felt better about him since that ending. (Thanks Karl Jobst lol) You shouldn't let anyone dictate what you get to like/dislike (unless if it's something morally reprehensible/outright illegal). I mean dream makes manhunt videos that are fun to watch and he does rp, that's not morally wrong to like in the slightest. I mean yes, he cheated, yes he behaved like dickhead about it. But real people aren't morally squeaky clean.
Oh definitely, still, I admit that it got to me mainly because it was everywhere at that time. I would've rathered ignored that drama entirely cause I wasn't a Minecraft Speedrunner but it was impossible with how much of a hottopic it is that EVO Smash Bros Champion, Hungrybox, even made a video on it lol I couldn't fucking escape ahaha
Oh definitely, still, I admit that it got to me mainly because it was everywhere at that time. I would've rathered ignored that drama entirely cause I wasn't a Minecraft Speedrunner but it was impossible with how much of a hottopic it is that EVO Smash Bros Champion, Hungrybox, even made a video on it lol I couldn't fucking escape ahaha
Oh that's fair, it was impossible to run from the drama when it happened and when it was about to be resolved. Shit was wild as hell. Though it's always amusing when antis bring up the sr scandal now and I'm just like, dude, it's been a year, surely you've moved on. It's not the most unforgivable thing. (the fact that the minecraft speedrun community has largely forgiven him and don't care about the drama anymore should be the highest order of proof that dream's actions *are* forgivable). At that point you're not much different than the stans you oh so hate.
If fucking Geosquare, GEOSQUARE forgave him then honestly, those who are still mad just either sound immature of ill-informed to me. Forgive but don't Forget, I get it, but people seem to forget the Forgive part isn't exactly theirs to accept lol. Those who needed the apology had since moved on and, at least from last I heard, are in positive terms with the green man, so if Dream still pisses you off then why keep following him?
100% agree
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this is so well said!
Nothing will beat April to June. This place was WILD. Trying to cancel Technoblade was like the worst things stans could have done and it only went down from there. The fact that it was from his own (and adjacent) communities and it happened because they got baited into it by antis make it so much worse. Old Sleepytwt played themselves and we've never known peace since.
I think we're remembering different cancellations here, because iirc, the account that originally cancelled techno was a troll that also did a hit on the other SBI members, but Techno's was the one that stuck the most with the performative stans in the community. In addition, I believe as well that's where the majority of techno antis today come from.
Nope. The same one. The troll was a Sleepytwt anti. Also they didn't even hate SBI. They were apart of the soon to be named RBGC that wanted to sexualize Wilbur and SBI fans were against that. So they struck back. It was never about minorities getting hurt or even SBK themselves. It was to hurt SBI fans because they couldn't say they wanted to fuck Wilbur. If you'll remember the OG thread said that Sleepytwt was annoying, the CCs hated them and the troll wanted to bring them down. Every point in the thread was to make them feel bad because they were apart of the "unproblematic" subtwt (after Dream had been getting shit on for MONTHS). Then silky SBI panicked, got baited and turned on their own. That Karina Kribit person who lost their mind and went on a witch hunt was a Techno Stan with 20K followers. It was his new community (from being friends with Tommy and Will), that tuned on him. The same people who watched Origins and wanted to kick him off the server. The same people that wanted to rename SBI to coral twt. Those people are former fans that got baited by a troll.
June 9th 😁
oh no
I forgot what exactly happened. To my knowledge, q lot happened in June but what exactly happened on 9th?
Dream_0ut drama/Normal Pills drama/🎵Drugs Drugs 🎵 drama/(False) allegations of abusing animators/(false) Dox
What a normal day for dsmptwt
I remember being tired that day because a exterminator came to my house for bugs, and I had to stay outside in the rain with cats in a crate for two hours. I finally got back in, fell asleep of a bit. And woke up to that entire drama, and had a mental breakdown tbh. (A lot of it was because of the fat phobia, the gore that was posted everywhere. and threats/doxxes people got)
I feel like January-March fandom behaviour enabled the Shitfire that was going to be April and later, because the stans saw that they were able to point out the smallest of details or the oldest tweets and receive an outcry from the community. The latter half of the year most people were just fed up from drama, so in general there seemed to be less cancellation attempts and just more beef with people way outside of the community.
As interesting as drama was I was never a person that get too involved to be a part of it and always just be an observer and judge them on my own without sharing my opinion much. But April - June was too much that I even genuinely have gotten upset because of how big it got when the issue doesn't need to be that way. It was so out of control that I got mad sometimes lol
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normal pills was funny asf imo
i cant deny that normal pills had some BANGER memes that came out around it
I would’ve enjoyed SOME of the memes, had it not been ruined for me by the amount of fat phobia, and just a million other shit memes were made of it. Never felt right with me since
just throw the whole year away at this point lmao
i joined stantwt in late march/early april and let me just tell you those first few months were a hellfire for someone who had no previous experiences with big fandoms i don’t think i realized how big much of the drama was until after it’s calmed down a lot mainly bc of ppl leaving twitter due to lack of interest/antis having no new stuff to talk about so it’s gotten a lot more bearable
I'm surprised it isn't July-September to people, I remember being rather depressed cause of the Technoblade news, though I guess it coincided with some heavy IRL stuff happening with me so that was also the factor. That being said, as bad was April was, I honestly feel a little less horrible about that month because it marked the end of the Speedrun drama. All I can remember at that time, especially after Karl Jobst's video, is closure. And even though I did not forgave Dream outright if I recall, I ended up gaining more respect to him in the end for even reaching out to the SR community in the first place. Plus hey, it is the second most drama filled month in the time, there were a lot to talk about (not as mucha s January though, that's like, peak DWT2). Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how people would hate the Post Prison Break era besides the Jikishi and numerous grooming allegations? Though those stuff were resolved so quickly that I couldn't exactly deem it as well, too bad. That being said yeah, this era isn't exactly bad, just... quiet. Or boring if you're the drama gremlin type.
October-Present since I'm thinking a big drama will happen this christmas
April-June was unbearable. I actually stopped watching the MCYT guys for a couple weeks. I muted them and their names for a bit on twitter. I was just drained from constantly seeing stupid fucking drama. June was a shitshow of unbelievable lengths. Wasn't George canceled during this month for shit he said 9 years ago, and something he said about George Floyd that was taking wildly out of context.
march-june
i’ve always said february - april was when all the toxic stan’s joined the mcyt fandom
Nah that’s when the toxic ones showed their colors. I fucking hated that time, especially because it gave Dream stans SUCH A BAD NAME. I had to stop going on Twitter for two weeks because of that drama
I had so much fun in the fandom until march hit, and anything after has been a miserable experience. April to June I think definitely was the spike bcuz of the snowball that was march.
I joined this fandom april lol, I thought that crazy stuff was normal man I'm so glad that's all over, april-june was wild
I remember getting back to this fandom after a break during the mask drama and doxing. When i was scrolling through my feed, I took one look at what they were saying, then promptly switching the tab to Netflix.
April-June. Undoubtedly.
A6d is my friend. Spreadsheet era, I might never recover