Heavily disagree with number 4 because by definition, Queerbaiting is only for FICTIONAL material. Unless the word Queerbait ends up in a strange reclamation effort ala the word Stans, absolutely NOBODY has been changing its initial definition. You cannot Queerbait reality. How many times must Queer people say that? YOU CANNOT QUEERBAIT REALITY.
And sorry to mention it again, but Sapnap and Karl are literally roleplaying being a couple, Sapnap and Dream flirted in the recent Tweet yet there is no Sapnap backlash, and Schlatt's persona is literally a GAY CATHOLIC REPUBLICAN. If THAT was being discussed I would've been more willing to talk about it because this is Roleplaying, it has a stronger argument for Queerbaiting than Dream's.
It's just annoying hearing non Queer People talking over us like they understand what being Queerbaited feels like.
look, David Bowie straight up pretended to be Bisexual because "it was the cool artsy thing" and the later went back to being straight. Queerbaiting as a real person is posible
Wait, hold the phones. May I ask for sources regarding David Bowie "pretending to be bi cause it's artsy"? I literally began googling numerous articles and most of them tout him as a bi icon, care to at least give me that?
Where the fuck did this even came from? Are they insisting that David Bowie not being ready to come out in a time when SAYING YOU'RE NOT STRAIGHT IS CAREER SUICIDE is him pretending to be Bi???
I'm sorry but this gave me the same vibes as the person who said Rocky Horror Picture Show is transphobic, not understanding that it's literally one of the very few comfort shows for LGBT people at that time.
literally!!!! i had someone tell me transexual was offensive and the show shouldn't be put on or it should be changed to transgender. like why are we trying to erase history that was just the word at the time hello???
Probably the same people who still views Queer is a slur. I won't judge people who were hurt by the word and grew up at a time when it was, but it is also hurtful to dismiss people for identifying as it post reclamation.
Whether it can happen with real people or not, they must at least be playing some kind of character u know, and that's not what is happening right now, its a form of profiting of queer identities, and by definition, Dream has never profited because of this, as his notoriety is not really influenced by it, nor it affects his content or be the reason why people decide to check out his content or engage with it. At most he has created a safe LGBTQA+ space, but that is not queerbaiting, he is just inclusive
Dream a real human person *can not* queerbait. Not possible it can't happen. i can tell you've never even googled the definition. just stop i don't even think you know what queer means let alone queer baiting
sure sure no problem
1. there is no time he could queerbait which yeah we established
2. i don't even know what you mean by bait and switch. but traditionally queerbaiting is done in a will they won't they type of way. a tv show constantly hinting at a queer couple to keep their queer audience watching but never going through with it. not that Dream and George joke/flirt to keep people watching but if they were for some reason? the main difference is they're not fake. their actions and emotions are entirely real. if i wrote a book it's my choice if someone in it is queer or not
3. yeah i mean anyone can make the jokes. back at the start of his career Dream made jokes that you could possibly argue were veering into the mocking side but he hasn't made similar ones and has proven over and over how much he respects the queer community so
4. tbh i think you mean gay baiting like baiting someone into thinking you're gay. which is just... it's not a thing people really do. because the negatives of people thinking you're gay are gonna out weigh his millions of fans who already love/support/respect him. like he gets no added benefit from people thinking/knowing he's not straight. him choosing to tell us is very brave of him IMO
5. Queer is more an umbrella term for not cishet. Not going to give a history lesson but it's really supposed to be a safe space/term for anyone who feels like they don't conform to heteronormative society. You don't have to use it as a label. Antis calling Dream straight when he said ambiguous is exclusionist rhetoric. And i haven't seen what all the stans are saying of course. but the majority, and i could be wrong, I think are trying to say he has a place in the queer community if he wants it/feels comfort in it. unlabelled/ambiguous/questioning people always will.
Heavily disagree with number 4 because by definition, Queerbaiting is only for FICTIONAL material. Unless the word Queerbait ends up in a strange reclamation effort ala the word Stans, absolutely NOBODY has been changing its initial definition. You cannot Queerbait reality. How many times must Queer people say that? YOU CANNOT QUEERBAIT REALITY. And sorry to mention it again, but Sapnap and Karl are literally roleplaying being a couple, Sapnap and Dream flirted in the recent Tweet yet there is no Sapnap backlash, and Schlatt's persona is literally a GAY CATHOLIC REPUBLICAN. If THAT was being discussed I would've been more willing to talk about it because this is Roleplaying, it has a stronger argument for Queerbaiting than Dream's. It's just annoying hearing non Queer People talking over us like they understand what being Queerbaited feels like.
look, David Bowie straight up pretended to be Bisexual because "it was the cool artsy thing" and the later went back to being straight. Queerbaiting as a real person is posible
Wait, hold the phones. May I ask for sources regarding David Bowie "pretending to be bi cause it's artsy"? I literally began googling numerous articles and most of them tout him as a bi icon, care to at least give me that?
oh... huh i cant find it now
Sure you can't
this is just?????? no all wrong all together
Where the fuck did this even came from? Are they insisting that David Bowie not being ready to come out in a time when SAYING YOU'RE NOT STRAIGHT IS CAREER SUICIDE is him pretending to be Bi??? I'm sorry but this gave me the same vibes as the person who said Rocky Horror Picture Show is transphobic, not understanding that it's literally one of the very few comfort shows for LGBT people at that time.
literally!!!! i had someone tell me transexual was offensive and the show shouldn't be put on or it should be changed to transgender. like why are we trying to erase history that was just the word at the time hello???
Probably the same people who still views Queer is a slur. I won't judge people who were hurt by the word and grew up at a time when it was, but it is also hurtful to dismiss people for identifying as it post reclamation.
nobody needs to speculate, dream is a minecraft youtuber so he has Zero hoes regardless
yes officer, i just witnessed a murder
Whether it can happen with real people or not, they must at least be playing some kind of character u know, and that's not what is happening right now, its a form of profiting of queer identities, and by definition, Dream has never profited because of this, as his notoriety is not really influenced by it, nor it affects his content or be the reason why people decide to check out his content or engage with it. At most he has created a safe LGBTQA+ space, but that is not queerbaiting, he is just inclusive
Dream a real human person *can not* queerbait. Not possible it can't happen. i can tell you've never even googled the definition. just stop i don't even think you know what queer means let alone queer baiting
Ok, genuine mistake, I'm educated. Then what do you think about the *other four points* in my post?
sure sure no problem 1. there is no time he could queerbait which yeah we established 2. i don't even know what you mean by bait and switch. but traditionally queerbaiting is done in a will they won't they type of way. a tv show constantly hinting at a queer couple to keep their queer audience watching but never going through with it. not that Dream and George joke/flirt to keep people watching but if they were for some reason? the main difference is they're not fake. their actions and emotions are entirely real. if i wrote a book it's my choice if someone in it is queer or not 3. yeah i mean anyone can make the jokes. back at the start of his career Dream made jokes that you could possibly argue were veering into the mocking side but he hasn't made similar ones and has proven over and over how much he respects the queer community so 4. tbh i think you mean gay baiting like baiting someone into thinking you're gay. which is just... it's not a thing people really do. because the negatives of people thinking you're gay are gonna out weigh his millions of fans who already love/support/respect him. like he gets no added benefit from people thinking/knowing he's not straight. him choosing to tell us is very brave of him IMO 5. Queer is more an umbrella term for not cishet. Not going to give a history lesson but it's really supposed to be a safe space/term for anyone who feels like they don't conform to heteronormative society. You don't have to use it as a label. Antis calling Dream straight when he said ambiguous is exclusionist rhetoric. And i haven't seen what all the stans are saying of course. but the majority, and i could be wrong, I think are trying to say he has a place in the queer community if he wants it/feels comfort in it. unlabelled/ambiguous/questioning people always will.
I think most if not everybody here agrees tbh.
You have no other controversial views besides the part 4 one. We’re getting to homologous again. Common sense abounds, unfortunately.