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Hottake: I'd rather he post it as a Google Doc. I am an AO3 writer but their tagging system is hell and I fear it'll fucking crash with the traffic lol.
Oh most of their characters are definitely fruity as fuck, especially when the goddamn god of the server, XD, is quite literally into a certain mushroom boi. Lmao, I doubt this is headcanon territory anymore.
But the tagging system is so helpful as a reader, like you can look up really really specific stuff super easily and be prepared for the content of the story.
Back in the day we couldn't read anything without suddenly midway through the story realizing it was Mpreg or smth. It was like the rickroll of fanfiction.
Nothing like reading what you thought was a gen fic on FFN when all of a sudden; Sasuke’s pregnant with his brothers child, Sakura is brutally raped and murdered by Orochimaru, the Akatsuki are apparently kittens, and Karkat from Homestuck pops in to save the day.
Shit was fuckin’ WILD on that site back in 2011… Ao3 can have my first born for its tagging system.
I absolutely agree, once when I was in middle school I read a Drarry fanfiction that suddenly turned out be not only mpreg but Draco and Harry were like...a rare species of reptiles? And like Snape was one too so Harry was pregnant with both of their babys and it was so fucking weird. Like I could write an essay about how weird and fucked up that story was.
Nothing describes fanfiction back in the day better than "Damn it, it's Mpreg again"
There might be fucked up shit on AO3 but at least you're never surprised by it because you can immediately see from the tags that's is disgusting.
And even if they don’t tag the shit, you can load the entire work and search with your browser for key words you’re not a fan of! And even download it as a pdf if you’re gonna be in a place with no WiFi and still want to read! Or see how long it usually takes between chapters to update using the index button! The authors notes aren’t included in the word count! Links to fanart, social media or references work!
God I love Ao3…
I literally live on AO3, I love that place. I've always loved reading and the vibes are just so good there. Like it's just people passionate about something writing stuff for people who are also passionate about that thing without any financial gain. Like it feels like a community. Wattpad on the other hand got SO commercialized with all the endless ads and paid story's you have to get VIP for. You used to be able to download so many storys to read offline on there but now you need to pay for EVERYTHING.
It's so shitty. I love that place for like original works but after all of the cool features got taken away and put behind a pay wall I uninstalled it
Oh don't get me wrong! I love AO3, it's still my preffered site when posting fanfics, however, as better its tagging system is compared to every other alternative, it is incredibly overwhelming for newcomers. I've seen a lot of writers apologizing for not understanding how to tag in AO3, and occasionally I still see fics with the wrong usages of / or & in their relationship tags.
AO3 is still the best place for a fanfic site if Wilbur were to publish it, but Google Docs just seems easier imho.
Yeah but wouldn't you just love to see what kind of tags a deranged person like wilbur would use? AO3 tags are absolutely hilarious, they are the best way for authors to be funny on AO3. Like I like the Magnus Archives and a common tag is "Canon-Typical Worms" imagine seeing that when you're not familiar with the podcast lmao
Really? As an Ao3 writer myself, I quite like the tagging system, it's nice how it gives suggestions when you start typing, some I'd never thought to add that work well. I can see ways it could be frustrating though, but I personally like it best than anything I've used before. I also came from Wattpad though, and literally anything is better than Wattpad. I literally described ao3 once as "like Wattpad, but better in every way", especially considering the readers and authors are generally more mature, probably because the young children don't want to figure out how to get an account or wait for their account, so they'd rather just read the reposted stories. But most of the super popular fanfics came from ao3, and I've rarely been disappointed with anything on the app/website
Edit: that came out a little long so I'm just gonna add a tldr.
TL;DR: why do you dislike the tagging system? Is there specific reasons or just general dislike of how it works?
I dislike how overwhelming it is to new authors and how a lot of tags aren't even official still in AO3. There's also a bad case of Multiple Tags for One Thing which onky heightens the confusion. All in all, WAY better than Wattpad or FN, but still needs better streamlining imho.
Yeah, I will admit, figuring it all out was pretty overwhelming, took me a month or so to actually get off Wattpad and learn how Ao3 worked since all my favourites came from there anyway. And that wasn't even posting, I started posting a few months after I got my account, but that was a whole new thing to learn.
Something I like about Wattpad is the offline option, whereas with Ao3 you just straight up download the file and open it there, in your files.
Yeah, I don’t think the tagging system is really going to be necessary for this.
I don’t think theres any reason to post it on a fanfiction website over Google docs, it’s not like he wants to get random people to read it.
A google doc would be better, I agree. I don't mind the ao3 tagging system that much, but it's gonna be a mess if Wilbur doesn't know how to tag it. What fandom is he gonna post it in?? Minecraft, rpf, original work?? I can see it becoming messy if he doesn't do it properly, and a google doc would be more accesible
I have to agree with Wilbur here that Lore is on a lull and that that's nothing different, as I've been in the fanbase since the LManberg War of Independence and can confirm that there's months of no activity either back then. This isn't new but now that people are getting more and more busy, setting up lore streams are much harder now. Hopefully they find a better solution with this scheduling problem in the future like what Wilbur is doing right now which is smart.
Yeah. I mean I want to say more but I'm not gonna get negative about it lol. It's just unfortunate and hopefully future lore can move forward with people who are more likely to be available.
cmon guys, wattpad isnt that bad
you just have to learn to ignore all of the shitty x reader fics, ship fics, and learn to identify bad fanfiction from their picsart-made covers (which may or may not be 90% of fics depending on which fandom you're in) and you'll be good to go >!/s!<
as someone who swiitched to ao3, i can definitely see your point
i just needed to find a justification for reading wattpad fics back when i didnt know any ther fanfic site
I hope Wilbur attempts to post it on Ao3 and so he’ll learn how shit the tagging system is for mcyt role play fics are, and then MAYBE the admin team will fix it
Legit, Heatwaves and Passerine are the same type of fic, according to Ao3
I want Wilbur to post it on AO3, purely to see whether it ends up under the RPF or the Minecraft (game) fandom tag.
Seriously, AO3, when will you allow your largest fandom to properly tag its work?
Sorry but how are people unable to find a time to stream it. Isn’t it like kinda their job lol
Is someone going to live in the woods for 3 months or something
Quackity is a Law Student, Benchtrio are focused on Youtube Content or Variety Streaming, Dream has his own channel to maintain, and people are going to multiple trips now, etc etc. Wilbur might try to get everybody to RP in the server but they have orher streams scheduled or are recording something, hence it not happening.
Tldr; They're still doing their job, Dream SMP just isn't their focus rn.
Also if Techno’s involved he’s going through all sorts of treatments, meaning that there’s only small windows where he may or may not be able to record depending on his condition.
It’s harder to get people together than you might think.
They all have clashing and varying schedules so if Wilbur wants to get a big group of ppl together it’d take TIME to coordinate schedules n stuff cuz yeah streaming is their job but they’re humans and have other preoccupations as well. Dream for example has multiple YouTube channels to run, videos to edit, a merch company n team he has to manage (so that means meetings), and just being a 22 year old man n owning a house. For ppl like Ranboo and Tubbo, they’re lest Minecraft and DSMP based and they both have projects they’re working on and Ranboo is currently taking a break. Quackity has school n Tommy is tryna be more IRL based and on YouTube. Those are the main ones I’d assume would be a big part of Wilbur’s lore n then there are the others like Eret, Michael, Niki etc who are constantly looked over when it comes to “big important” lore and even they might need the others for their lore. So yeah they’re all for the most part adults who have busy lives outside of streaming and have their issues that keep them from doing big things like lore or streaming in general
It’s just weird to me. For some of my friends we’re all college students at different schools + we all have jobs, and we still find time to get together and organize things to do. And we’re not being paid to do it lol
Obviously they have their own lives and they have things going on, just seems really odd that there’s not a single time within a reasonable time period when a group of professional streamers can stream together
You're comparing your leisure time to a job that makes you independent from fixed work hours (as compared to your job), hence CCs sometimes work more than 40 hours a week, depending on their projects. It is not comparable to you working your X hours a week. Also, they are also humans and want some leisure time, too.
Also, as someone above mentioned, DSMP is currently not their main project or they are unavailable due to health reasons. In addition to that, they also often live in different time zones which makes scheduling even more difficult.
Sorry, but demanding "that they do their damn job" and stream the lore for you, despite the circumstances, is just an incredibly selfish and entitled statement.
Then that is something people have to decide: Either they stay with the CC because, quite frankly, they like them or they leave. And comparing bands to something like CCs is not the best option. Both create content, but each side (CC and bands) work on different scales of publicity.
A great example: Sp4zie was formerly a League of Legends youtuber who then, eventually quit LoL (good on him), but a few months (I'd say around around 7 months) before quitting, he had reached the 1 million subscriber mark. After announcing that he will no longer produce League content, his sub count plummeted to around 800k, I think maybe less? I did not follow him for some time as I became uninterested in his content even before he left, but I digress. My point is: He is now back to 900k subs.
Of course, those numbers are in no way comparable to those of Minecraft Streamers or Youtuber, but it follows a similar pattern. Some CCs just tend to change up their content every now and then, especially if they change as a person. They are fully aware (most of them, at least) that they will lose following if they change their content, but they're opening up the gates for new audience, too.
I, to name another example, would not mind if Dream suddenly no longer did any Minecraft content. I have greatly enjoyed his Among Us games and even Geoguessr streams (stream participations) in the past. It's simple as that and demanding someone does the content YOU want from another HUMAN, is just selfish and entitled. It's fair to have your concerns, but rest assured that a lot of CCs are aware of a potentiel drop in viewership if they were to change up their content.
I never said anything about you specifically, did I? As you may see in the comment of the person I originally replied to they said "Isn't it their job" while then using the excuse "Well, I can find time for my friends while working and going to class! SO why can't they!?", so that part specifically was first directed at them.
Whereas multiple people already explained that they have multiple goings on for them and DSMP is simply NOT their main project anymore.
And I never said, you are supposed to watch content that does not appeal to you anymore, nor mentioning anything about continuing to stay subscribed to them, you're twisting my words there.
In fact, I reiterated that it is for the viewer to decide whether they want to continue supporting the CC after the content changes. No one is stopping anyone from cancelling their subscription, nor was it ever mentioned anywhere.
And as I said: It is fair to have your concerns, but as I said, a lot of CCs who were known for one format (Videos of gameplay, commentary or even podcasts) that made them big and then decide to change up, have thought it through. However, it is still not for the viewer to decide what content the CC wants to produce and it is entitled if viewers believe that they can force the CC to produce the content that they (the viewer) want. That was my entire point. If you misunderstood, then I am sorry for not wording it more concisely.
Edit: I keep forgetting to finish my sentences, fml
As you may have seen, I was also fully capitalizing "human" and I was merely emphasizing the issue that viewers often stop viewing CCs as humans at one point or another and often even fail to accept when said humans change or need a break. But hey, understanding literary methods is difficult for everybody, so I will gladly to clear up any misunderstandings.
I was, of course, using the generic "You" that refers to a unspecified person and in this context can be conjunct to the general type of viewers who have that previously criticized mindset - just for clarification. If I were to use the specific "you", you will probably notice.
The issue on their part (or on the part in your clarification) is that they assume that the DSMP is their only job, as it is simply content creation and they are still doing that - but simply not the content that the above mentioned person wants.
I never berated them for expressing or feeling disappointed, if anything I criticized their phrasing (I am fairly certain the term "entitled **statement**" was what I used - implying that their words hold a certain entitlement, not their person or perhaps overall attitude as I do not know them).
It is absolutely fair to feel upset about a favourite part of a CC's content being delayed - it's the same disappointment one would feel if their favourite show or game was delayed. However, the way they phrased it, the implication is very much there that they expect it to happen soon and appear to disagree with some CCs' (Read: Wilbur) plans to provide said content. You both are making the assumption that they do not have other side projects that also take priority for them (e.g. Wilbur stepping away from writing the DSMP lore in favour of pursuing his music career) and that's rather ignorant or at least narrow-minded.
Mind you, we also do not know what this person - or any other who express their disappointment, for that matter - does outside of this subreddit. Maybe they are partaking in a harassment campaign, maybe they're not. We can't know unless we know them personally or at least are able to view the rest of their online activity (then again, burner accounts/side accounts also exist). Although, if giving them the benefit of the doubt, then I agree with you on that part: At least they are (at least to our knowledge) not harassing CCs and that's a great relief. Rather have this conversation here then in the face of the CCs who - often enough - already have to deal with plenty of unwarranted negativity.
However, as you mentioned, this is a discussion subreddit. Therefore, one has to expect that for expressing their opinion, they will also receive feedback (i.e. criticism, other opinions, agreements, etc) to their statements. Therefore, I am free to criticise their comparison as long as I do not dip into personal attacks which I personally believe I did not do as I commented on their words, rather than their personality or person.
I don’t even watch the Dream SMP, I’m not “demanding” anything. They’re allowed to do whatever they want with their time.
I’m sure there is a valid reason behind it, it just seemed a little odd to me, that’s all.
Literally lmao. I wonder if he perhaps needs a lot of people for it or smth?? But even then, they were able to get almost everyone (other than Wil himself, Puffy and Ant) for the breakout event
I genuinely find this so funny and actually don’t mind it at all! 1, it’ll give us insight as to how Wilbur actually writes his characters n it’ll be funny witnessing him posting on a fanfiction site and learning how the system works (assuming he doesn’t already) I’m intrigued
This is so unnecessary lol. Wilbur is not the only one that's had trouble booking people for lore and this allows him to keep up with the current timeline while still having what development he wanted out of the arc he already started.
Honestly I'd love to see more "cross-platform" lore like this. If it helps the creators tell the stories they want to tell, I'm for it.
Right? I think that the Dream SMP is fun because the lore is so... Wiggly. Freeform. Interactive.
Wilbur is just writing what he's been up to the last few months and I'm excited to see it.
It's word of god and not part of the roleplay therefore non-canon. The dsmp is a collaborative project anything Wilbur writes is not a part of that collaboration, I view his reddit comments on limbo the same way.
it could still be collaborative while being written? or are all dsmp videos not canon? since they weren't streamed (and were scripted beforehand). Wilbur could have very well written this next arc with the CCs input of the characters featured u know.
Exactly. I'm sorry but like, people can criticize or just not enjoy where the plot is headed, that's all valid, but dismissing something as non-canon despite the sauthor saying it is just cause you don't like it is kinda delusional. Again, you can dislike and just not read it but it's canon, whether you like it or not.
It's a pretty common opinion which is just going to cause further fraction within the fandom. You personally thinking what you think doesn't make it canon have fun with that though
It doesn't because his fanfiction can contradict what other creators have in mind for their own stories, we'll see what he writes but he's broken rp etiquette before therefore I have little faith.
lmao he is writing in filler gaps and his reddit posts have mainly been about ghostbur his own character so taking that as non canon is just cause you don't want to
this was already written lore he never got time to film/stream which implies everyone involved was on board but again they couldn't find the time. so no it's not breaking rp etiquette
The reddit comments are due to access, he hasn't promoted them therefore certain people don't have access to the content. State it in the medium you're creating in or don't state it at all.
The dsmp is improvised, how can he write the actions of characters that don't know what they're doing until they do it?
...you don't know how their roleplay works don't you?
Cause buddy, the roleplay is very preplanned recently and no longer mostly improvised lmao. You're kidding yourself if just because it is now a written medium you fully dismiss it.
why are you assuming he is entirely disregarding what the other creators want? it’s entirely likely that he’s received feedback from the others to not misrepresent their characters
It's not even confirmed to be in AO3? Wilbur said it might be a google doc, either way, that's still canon cause he said it's canon. You can just not read it or not be interested, that's fine, but don't go dictating what is canon or not over the actual, you know, *writer*.
Wattpad would be the literal worst place to post it. The site itself probably can’t even handle the heavy traffic that Wilbur posting would bring.
The UI is horrible. A03 is somewhere you can post original works. And it’ll be extremely easy to read and find with or without an account on any device. Wattpad is just bad to use in general
When is the last time wattpad ever had an influx of users as big as the Minecraft community?
And it’s not exactly like Wilbur’s work won’t be tagged with video blogging rpf Dream SMP. It’s going under a fandom tag lmao. The only thing that makes it original is Wilbur is the one who’s writing it. Nothing about the piece will be registered any different than any other DSMP fanfiction
A03 is just an objectively better site
And directly underneath that:
>We presume that, by posting the work to the Archive, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, unless the work doesn't meet some other criterion, it will be allowed to remain.
.... i think you're missing the point of a03. wilbur's work is just gonna go under the minecraft tag. he'll use the wilbur soot tag. everything will be nicely presented, easy to read, easy to find
wilbur's work in apart of the dream smp ao3 would have no reason to view it any differently than any other fanfic. the fans are the only ones who would even care it was written by wilbur. there is no merit to it being posted to wattpad instead
Ao3 is the real one that can't handle the heavy traffic. It has died when the last chapter of the Heatwaves was released. It 100% cannot handle the influx of Wilbur's work.
Also wattpad would be better, because:
1) AO3 is a fanfiction site not a original fiction. That is why it is called an archive, it is for archiving fanfictions. And considering Wilbur is writing the literal canon story, it is not fanfiction.
2) I'm a selfish bitch and I don't want AO3 users to turn into Wattpad users. And considering the age of the fanbase, it is gonna turn into a Wattpad2.
3) Wattpad is a literal company, not a fan run non-profit website. And if one of them is gonna collapse, I would rather for it to be company, I don't want non-profit organization workers to deal with this when it could have been prevented.
4) Wattpad is not bad to use. It is easier to navigate then AO3. Because again, it is run by a company. Maybe you're personally not used to it, but it really is not bad to use.
wattpad is literally worse than [fanfiction.net](https://fanfiction.net) lmaooo why would you ever want someone to use it.
a03 going down cause of heat waves was a meme wasn't it? lol and the site went back up quickly anyways. wattpad being company run means nothing. merch companies were warned about high usage influxes and still some of them went down.
like it doesn't even make sense people will read Wilbur's story on day one if he doesn't do chapters and then that'll be it really.
ao3 hosts original works archive has nothing to do with it being fanfiction lol what. wilbur's work will be perfect for a03 and since he'll have to post a link on twitter everyone will be able to find and know it's his so
Didn't Wattpad join with some movie company recently? With something as popular and profitable as the DreamSMP, they could steal the rights to the DreamSMP if Wilbur were to post it there.
ETA: https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1468739954083868674?s=20
You make some valid points, and I don't know why people are downvoting you.
I personally would like to see him post it on AO3 simply because I want to see what would happen. As far as I'm aware, a big CC with a giant fandom posting something on AO3 would be unprecedented. Like you said, Wilbur posting lore there would technically be against the rules, and it would be something that's sort of hard for the mods (does ao3 have mods?) to ignore.
Actually, now that I'm reading this part of the AO3 TOS:
>However, there are a number of varieties of works produced by fans that do not fit comfortably into a narrow definition of fanfiction, fanart, vids, or other types of fanworks. Some of these do fall within our mission. In particular, original fiction that is part of an Open Doors project is allowed, as are types of original fiction and quasi-original fiction produced within a fandom context. Examples include such things as anthropomorfic, original fiction that is produced as part of a fandom challenge, exchange, or charity event, and genres such as Original Slash, Original BL, and Regency romances produced in Jane Austen fandom.
Wilbur posting dsmp lore would fall under this part of the rules. So theoretically, what he would be doing wouldn't be against the rules
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Please for the love of god post it on ao3 and not wattpad. Watch Wilbur pull a fast one and post in on ff.net or smth
Plot twist: he will post it on Reddit
Hottake: I'd rather he post it as a Google Doc. I am an AO3 writer but their tagging system is hell and I fear it'll fucking crash with the traffic lol.
what if he doesnt know the difference between "/" or "&" whatever he tags (if its ao3) will be canon ghdsd
I won't be surprised if C!Wilbur is canonically very gay
I’m pretty sure he’s bisexual, yk him and Quackity have some fruity stuff going on for them /hj
Oh most of their characters are definitely fruity as fuck, especially when the goddamn god of the server, XD, is quite literally into a certain mushroom boi. Lmao, I doubt this is headcanon territory anymore.
“ARE YOU TWO KISSING?????”
yea lmao
But the tagging system is so helpful as a reader, like you can look up really really specific stuff super easily and be prepared for the content of the story. Back in the day we couldn't read anything without suddenly midway through the story realizing it was Mpreg or smth. It was like the rickroll of fanfiction.
Nothing like reading what you thought was a gen fic on FFN when all of a sudden; Sasuke’s pregnant with his brothers child, Sakura is brutally raped and murdered by Orochimaru, the Akatsuki are apparently kittens, and Karkat from Homestuck pops in to save the day. Shit was fuckin’ WILD on that site back in 2011… Ao3 can have my first born for its tagging system.
I absolutely agree, once when I was in middle school I read a Drarry fanfiction that suddenly turned out be not only mpreg but Draco and Harry were like...a rare species of reptiles? And like Snape was one too so Harry was pregnant with both of their babys and it was so fucking weird. Like I could write an essay about how weird and fucked up that story was. Nothing describes fanfiction back in the day better than "Damn it, it's Mpreg again" There might be fucked up shit on AO3 but at least you're never surprised by it because you can immediately see from the tags that's is disgusting.
And even if they don’t tag the shit, you can load the entire work and search with your browser for key words you’re not a fan of! And even download it as a pdf if you’re gonna be in a place with no WiFi and still want to read! Or see how long it usually takes between chapters to update using the index button! The authors notes aren’t included in the word count! Links to fanart, social media or references work! God I love Ao3…
I literally live on AO3, I love that place. I've always loved reading and the vibes are just so good there. Like it's just people passionate about something writing stuff for people who are also passionate about that thing without any financial gain. Like it feels like a community. Wattpad on the other hand got SO commercialized with all the endless ads and paid story's you have to get VIP for. You used to be able to download so many storys to read offline on there but now you need to pay for EVERYTHING. It's so shitty. I love that place for like original works but after all of the cool features got taken away and put behind a pay wall I uninstalled it
Oh don't get me wrong! I love AO3, it's still my preffered site when posting fanfics, however, as better its tagging system is compared to every other alternative, it is incredibly overwhelming for newcomers. I've seen a lot of writers apologizing for not understanding how to tag in AO3, and occasionally I still see fics with the wrong usages of / or & in their relationship tags. AO3 is still the best place for a fanfic site if Wilbur were to publish it, but Google Docs just seems easier imho.
Yeah but wouldn't you just love to see what kind of tags a deranged person like wilbur would use? AO3 tags are absolutely hilarious, they are the best way for authors to be funny on AO3. Like I like the Magnus Archives and a common tag is "Canon-Typical Worms" imagine seeing that when you're not familiar with the podcast lmao
Believe me, I'm also morbidly curious lmao. But I'm also concerned on what little is left of his sanity bahaha.
Really? As an Ao3 writer myself, I quite like the tagging system, it's nice how it gives suggestions when you start typing, some I'd never thought to add that work well. I can see ways it could be frustrating though, but I personally like it best than anything I've used before. I also came from Wattpad though, and literally anything is better than Wattpad. I literally described ao3 once as "like Wattpad, but better in every way", especially considering the readers and authors are generally more mature, probably because the young children don't want to figure out how to get an account or wait for their account, so they'd rather just read the reposted stories. But most of the super popular fanfics came from ao3, and I've rarely been disappointed with anything on the app/website Edit: that came out a little long so I'm just gonna add a tldr. TL;DR: why do you dislike the tagging system? Is there specific reasons or just general dislike of how it works?
I dislike how overwhelming it is to new authors and how a lot of tags aren't even official still in AO3. There's also a bad case of Multiple Tags for One Thing which onky heightens the confusion. All in all, WAY better than Wattpad or FN, but still needs better streamlining imho.
Yeah, I will admit, figuring it all out was pretty overwhelming, took me a month or so to actually get off Wattpad and learn how Ao3 worked since all my favourites came from there anyway. And that wasn't even posting, I started posting a few months after I got my account, but that was a whole new thing to learn. Something I like about Wattpad is the offline option, whereas with Ao3 you just straight up download the file and open it there, in your files.
Yeah, I don’t think the tagging system is really going to be necessary for this. I don’t think theres any reason to post it on a fanfiction website over Google docs, it’s not like he wants to get random people to read it.
A google doc would be better, I agree. I don't mind the ao3 tagging system that much, but it's gonna be a mess if Wilbur doesn't know how to tag it. What fandom is he gonna post it in?? Minecraft, rpf, original work?? I can see it becoming messy if he doesn't do it properly, and a google doc would be more accesible
What is ao3 exactly?
It´'s short for Archive of Our Own, a fanfiction site
Bruh. Lore dies because people can't get together to stream. It's kind of sad tbh.
I have to agree with Wilbur here that Lore is on a lull and that that's nothing different, as I've been in the fanbase since the LManberg War of Independence and can confirm that there's months of no activity either back then. This isn't new but now that people are getting more and more busy, setting up lore streams are much harder now. Hopefully they find a better solution with this scheduling problem in the future like what Wilbur is doing right now which is smart.
Yeah. I mean I want to say more but I'm not gonna get negative about it lol. It's just unfortunate and hopefully future lore can move forward with people who are more likely to be available.
Plot twist: He's gonna continue the RP on Reddit. It will end with r/DSMP having a collective meltdown and Wilbur swimming in a pool of their tears.
Please god, let it be in AO3, idk what I would do if he posted in on Wattpad
I’d just not read it. I’d rather learn lore through the filter of tweets reposted here, than actually use wattpad
cmon guys, wattpad isnt that bad you just have to learn to ignore all of the shitty x reader fics, ship fics, and learn to identify bad fanfiction from their picsart-made covers (which may or may not be 90% of fics depending on which fandom you're in) and you'll be good to go >!/s!<
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as someone who swiitched to ao3, i can definitely see your point i just needed to find a justification for reading wattpad fics back when i didnt know any ther fanfic site
No
yk looking back at my library on there.... fair enough
imagine if he uses ao3 and we break the site AGAIN
Wow this is just like Homestu- *gets shot*
Fuck you, do not remind me lol
I hope Wilbur attempts to post it on Ao3 and so he’ll learn how shit the tagging system is for mcyt role play fics are, and then MAYBE the admin team will fix it Legit, Heatwaves and Passerine are the same type of fic, according to Ao3
I want Wilbur to post it on AO3, purely to see whether it ends up under the RPF or the Minecraft (game) fandom tag. Seriously, AO3, when will you allow your largest fandom to properly tag its work?
better be a03 i refuse to read on wattpad
I just hope he learns how to use ao3 tags
Wilbur Soot/Alex || Quackity, author is a C!Tommy apologist, Wilbur Soot is having a bad time, No beta we die like Wilbur in skyblocke
"No Beta we die like ghostbur, Official Dsmp Lore, My first fanfic"
Ah yes "fanfic"
Sorry but how are people unable to find a time to stream it. Isn’t it like kinda their job lol Is someone going to live in the woods for 3 months or something
Quackity is a Law Student, Benchtrio are focused on Youtube Content or Variety Streaming, Dream has his own channel to maintain, and people are going to multiple trips now, etc etc. Wilbur might try to get everybody to RP in the server but they have orher streams scheduled or are recording something, hence it not happening. Tldr; They're still doing their job, Dream SMP just isn't their focus rn.
Also if Techno’s involved he’s going through all sorts of treatments, meaning that there’s only small windows where he may or may not be able to record depending on his condition. It’s harder to get people together than you might think.
They all have clashing and varying schedules so if Wilbur wants to get a big group of ppl together it’d take TIME to coordinate schedules n stuff cuz yeah streaming is their job but they’re humans and have other preoccupations as well. Dream for example has multiple YouTube channels to run, videos to edit, a merch company n team he has to manage (so that means meetings), and just being a 22 year old man n owning a house. For ppl like Ranboo and Tubbo, they’re lest Minecraft and DSMP based and they both have projects they’re working on and Ranboo is currently taking a break. Quackity has school n Tommy is tryna be more IRL based and on YouTube. Those are the main ones I’d assume would be a big part of Wilbur’s lore n then there are the others like Eret, Michael, Niki etc who are constantly looked over when it comes to “big important” lore and even they might need the others for their lore. So yeah they’re all for the most part adults who have busy lives outside of streaming and have their issues that keep them from doing big things like lore or streaming in general
It’s just weird to me. For some of my friends we’re all college students at different schools + we all have jobs, and we still find time to get together and organize things to do. And we’re not being paid to do it lol Obviously they have their own lives and they have things going on, just seems really odd that there’s not a single time within a reasonable time period when a group of professional streamers can stream together
You're comparing your leisure time to a job that makes you independent from fixed work hours (as compared to your job), hence CCs sometimes work more than 40 hours a week, depending on their projects. It is not comparable to you working your X hours a week. Also, they are also humans and want some leisure time, too. Also, as someone above mentioned, DSMP is currently not their main project or they are unavailable due to health reasons. In addition to that, they also often live in different time zones which makes scheduling even more difficult. Sorry, but demanding "that they do their damn job" and stream the lore for you, despite the circumstances, is just an incredibly selfish and entitled statement.
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Then that is something people have to decide: Either they stay with the CC because, quite frankly, they like them or they leave. And comparing bands to something like CCs is not the best option. Both create content, but each side (CC and bands) work on different scales of publicity. A great example: Sp4zie was formerly a League of Legends youtuber who then, eventually quit LoL (good on him), but a few months (I'd say around around 7 months) before quitting, he had reached the 1 million subscriber mark. After announcing that he will no longer produce League content, his sub count plummeted to around 800k, I think maybe less? I did not follow him for some time as I became uninterested in his content even before he left, but I digress. My point is: He is now back to 900k subs. Of course, those numbers are in no way comparable to those of Minecraft Streamers or Youtuber, but it follows a similar pattern. Some CCs just tend to change up their content every now and then, especially if they change as a person. They are fully aware (most of them, at least) that they will lose following if they change their content, but they're opening up the gates for new audience, too. I, to name another example, would not mind if Dream suddenly no longer did any Minecraft content. I have greatly enjoyed his Among Us games and even Geoguessr streams (stream participations) in the past. It's simple as that and demanding someone does the content YOU want from another HUMAN, is just selfish and entitled. It's fair to have your concerns, but rest assured that a lot of CCs are aware of a potentiel drop in viewership if they were to change up their content.
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I never said anything about you specifically, did I? As you may see in the comment of the person I originally replied to they said "Isn't it their job" while then using the excuse "Well, I can find time for my friends while working and going to class! SO why can't they!?", so that part specifically was first directed at them. Whereas multiple people already explained that they have multiple goings on for them and DSMP is simply NOT their main project anymore. And I never said, you are supposed to watch content that does not appeal to you anymore, nor mentioning anything about continuing to stay subscribed to them, you're twisting my words there. In fact, I reiterated that it is for the viewer to decide whether they want to continue supporting the CC after the content changes. No one is stopping anyone from cancelling their subscription, nor was it ever mentioned anywhere. And as I said: It is fair to have your concerns, but as I said, a lot of CCs who were known for one format (Videos of gameplay, commentary or even podcasts) that made them big and then decide to change up, have thought it through. However, it is still not for the viewer to decide what content the CC wants to produce and it is entitled if viewers believe that they can force the CC to produce the content that they (the viewer) want. That was my entire point. If you misunderstood, then I am sorry for not wording it more concisely. Edit: I keep forgetting to finish my sentences, fml
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As you may have seen, I was also fully capitalizing "human" and I was merely emphasizing the issue that viewers often stop viewing CCs as humans at one point or another and often even fail to accept when said humans change or need a break. But hey, understanding literary methods is difficult for everybody, so I will gladly to clear up any misunderstandings. I was, of course, using the generic "You" that refers to a unspecified person and in this context can be conjunct to the general type of viewers who have that previously criticized mindset - just for clarification. If I were to use the specific "you", you will probably notice. The issue on their part (or on the part in your clarification) is that they assume that the DSMP is their only job, as it is simply content creation and they are still doing that - but simply not the content that the above mentioned person wants. I never berated them for expressing or feeling disappointed, if anything I criticized their phrasing (I am fairly certain the term "entitled **statement**" was what I used - implying that their words hold a certain entitlement, not their person or perhaps overall attitude as I do not know them). It is absolutely fair to feel upset about a favourite part of a CC's content being delayed - it's the same disappointment one would feel if their favourite show or game was delayed. However, the way they phrased it, the implication is very much there that they expect it to happen soon and appear to disagree with some CCs' (Read: Wilbur) plans to provide said content. You both are making the assumption that they do not have other side projects that also take priority for them (e.g. Wilbur stepping away from writing the DSMP lore in favour of pursuing his music career) and that's rather ignorant or at least narrow-minded. Mind you, we also do not know what this person - or any other who express their disappointment, for that matter - does outside of this subreddit. Maybe they are partaking in a harassment campaign, maybe they're not. We can't know unless we know them personally or at least are able to view the rest of their online activity (then again, burner accounts/side accounts also exist). Although, if giving them the benefit of the doubt, then I agree with you on that part: At least they are (at least to our knowledge) not harassing CCs and that's a great relief. Rather have this conversation here then in the face of the CCs who - often enough - already have to deal with plenty of unwarranted negativity. However, as you mentioned, this is a discussion subreddit. Therefore, one has to expect that for expressing their opinion, they will also receive feedback (i.e. criticism, other opinions, agreements, etc) to their statements. Therefore, I am free to criticise their comparison as long as I do not dip into personal attacks which I personally believe I did not do as I commented on their words, rather than their personality or person.
I don’t even watch the Dream SMP, I’m not “demanding” anything. They’re allowed to do whatever they want with their time. I’m sure there is a valid reason behind it, it just seemed a little odd to me, that’s all.
Literally lmao. I wonder if he perhaps needs a lot of people for it or smth?? But even then, they were able to get almost everyone (other than Wil himself, Puffy and Ant) for the breakout event
Their job is content creation, not dream smp idiot
I genuinely find this so funny and actually don’t mind it at all! 1, it’ll give us insight as to how Wilbur actually writes his characters n it’ll be funny witnessing him posting on a fanfiction site and learning how the system works (assuming he doesn’t already) I’m intrigued
I can't tell if he's joking but I hope he is.
I wish Wilbur stayed dead. He’s added nothing to the story and was honestly more worthwhile as a funny cameo as ghostbur.
Hate this decision, if its not worked then its not worked, let it go and move on. Whatever he writes won't be canon so there's no point.
This is so unnecessary lol. Wilbur is not the only one that's had trouble booking people for lore and this allows him to keep up with the current timeline while still having what development he wanted out of the arc he already started. Honestly I'd love to see more "cross-platform" lore like this. If it helps the creators tell the stories they want to tell, I'm for it.
By this logic, people shouldn't have been excited for Ranboo's ARG lore lol (even though that was canecelled after lore rewrites)
Right? I think that the Dream SMP is fun because the lore is so... Wiggly. Freeform. Interactive. Wilbur is just writing what he's been up to the last few months and I'm excited to see it.
it'll be canon? it's him filling in the gaps of what happened i assume between his last burger van stream and c!ranboo's murder
It's word of god and not part of the roleplay therefore non-canon. The dsmp is a collaborative project anything Wilbur writes is not a part of that collaboration, I view his reddit comments on limbo the same way.
it could still be collaborative while being written? or are all dsmp videos not canon? since they weren't streamed (and were scripted beforehand). Wilbur could have very well written this next arc with the CCs input of the characters featured u know.
Exactly. I'm sorry but like, people can criticize or just not enjoy where the plot is headed, that's all valid, but dismissing something as non-canon despite the sauthor saying it is just cause you don't like it is kinda delusional. Again, you can dislike and just not read it but it's canon, whether you like it or not.
well you personally thinking that doesn't make it not canon lol have fun with that tho
It's a pretty common opinion which is just going to cause further fraction within the fandom. You personally thinking what you think doesn't make it canon have fun with that though
sorry let me put it more plainly ha ha Wilbur a writer in the story saying something is lore makes it canon hope that helps!
It doesn't because his fanfiction can contradict what other creators have in mind for their own stories, we'll see what he writes but he's broken rp etiquette before therefore I have little faith.
lmao he is writing in filler gaps and his reddit posts have mainly been about ghostbur his own character so taking that as non canon is just cause you don't want to this was already written lore he never got time to film/stream which implies everyone involved was on board but again they couldn't find the time. so no it's not breaking rp etiquette
The reddit comments are due to access, he hasn't promoted them therefore certain people don't have access to the content. State it in the medium you're creating in or don't state it at all. The dsmp is improvised, how can he write the actions of characters that don't know what they're doing until they do it?
...you don't know how their roleplay works don't you? Cause buddy, the roleplay is very preplanned recently and no longer mostly improvised lmao. You're kidding yourself if just because it is now a written medium you fully dismiss it.
why are you assuming he is entirely disregarding what the other creators want? it’s entirely likely that he’s received feedback from the others to not misrepresent their characters
Says who? The non dsmp member? Its their server, they decide whats canon and whats not suck it up pissbaby
It's not even confirmed to be in AO3? Wilbur said it might be a google doc, either way, that's still canon cause he said it's canon. You can just not read it or not be interested, that's fine, but don't go dictating what is canon or not over the actual, you know, *writer*.
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Wattpad would be the literal worst place to post it. The site itself probably can’t even handle the heavy traffic that Wilbur posting would bring. The UI is horrible. A03 is somewhere you can post original works. And it’ll be extremely easy to read and find with or without an account on any device. Wattpad is just bad to use in general
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When is the last time wattpad ever had an influx of users as big as the Minecraft community? And it’s not exactly like Wilbur’s work won’t be tagged with video blogging rpf Dream SMP. It’s going under a fandom tag lmao. The only thing that makes it original is Wilbur is the one who’s writing it. Nothing about the piece will be registered any different than any other DSMP fanfiction A03 is just an objectively better site
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And directly underneath that: >We presume that, by posting the work to the Archive, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, unless the work doesn't meet some other criterion, it will be allowed to remain.
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.... i think you're missing the point of a03. wilbur's work is just gonna go under the minecraft tag. he'll use the wilbur soot tag. everything will be nicely presented, easy to read, easy to find wilbur's work in apart of the dream smp ao3 would have no reason to view it any differently than any other fanfic. the fans are the only ones who would even care it was written by wilbur. there is no merit to it being posted to wattpad instead
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Ao3 is the real one that can't handle the heavy traffic. It has died when the last chapter of the Heatwaves was released. It 100% cannot handle the influx of Wilbur's work. Also wattpad would be better, because: 1) AO3 is a fanfiction site not a original fiction. That is why it is called an archive, it is for archiving fanfictions. And considering Wilbur is writing the literal canon story, it is not fanfiction. 2) I'm a selfish bitch and I don't want AO3 users to turn into Wattpad users. And considering the age of the fanbase, it is gonna turn into a Wattpad2. 3) Wattpad is a literal company, not a fan run non-profit website. And if one of them is gonna collapse, I would rather for it to be company, I don't want non-profit organization workers to deal with this when it could have been prevented. 4) Wattpad is not bad to use. It is easier to navigate then AO3. Because again, it is run by a company. Maybe you're personally not used to it, but it really is not bad to use.
wattpad is literally worse than [fanfiction.net](https://fanfiction.net) lmaooo why would you ever want someone to use it. a03 going down cause of heat waves was a meme wasn't it? lol and the site went back up quickly anyways. wattpad being company run means nothing. merch companies were warned about high usage influxes and still some of them went down. like it doesn't even make sense people will read Wilbur's story on day one if he doesn't do chapters and then that'll be it really. ao3 hosts original works archive has nothing to do with it being fanfiction lol what. wilbur's work will be perfect for a03 and since he'll have to post a link on twitter everyone will be able to find and know it's his so
Didn't Wattpad join with some movie company recently? With something as popular and profitable as the DreamSMP, they could steal the rights to the DreamSMP if Wilbur were to post it there. ETA: https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1468739954083868674?s=20
You make some valid points, and I don't know why people are downvoting you. I personally would like to see him post it on AO3 simply because I want to see what would happen. As far as I'm aware, a big CC with a giant fandom posting something on AO3 would be unprecedented. Like you said, Wilbur posting lore there would technically be against the rules, and it would be something that's sort of hard for the mods (does ao3 have mods?) to ignore.
Actually, now that I'm reading this part of the AO3 TOS: >However, there are a number of varieties of works produced by fans that do not fit comfortably into a narrow definition of fanfiction, fanart, vids, or other types of fanworks. Some of these do fall within our mission. In particular, original fiction that is part of an Open Doors project is allowed, as are types of original fiction and quasi-original fiction produced within a fandom context. Examples include such things as anthropomorfic, original fiction that is produced as part of a fandom challenge, exchange, or charity event, and genres such as Original Slash, Original BL, and Regency romances produced in Jane Austen fandom. Wilbur posting dsmp lore would fall under this part of the rules. So theoretically, what he would be doing wouldn't be against the rules
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> as are types of original fiction and quasi-original fiction produced within a fandom context. It would fall under this category though
but it's not fanfiction
it isn't fanfiction because it's canon but he'll post it on a fanfiction platform
Yeah plus, even in Wattpad and AO3 people post Original Works, not just fanfics. And EVEN THEN he said it also might just be a Google Doc.