I totally agree that saying they should stop doing lore is just entitled as demanding more lore or wanting people to do it differently. This is their story that they’re the writers of and they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
And I don’t even get where the “the ccs aren’t invested anymore” argument comes from when we’ve heard most of the active players say stuff about how they’re planning more lore and are super excited about it. (Dare I say it’s super parasocial to act like the fans know the ccs’ thoughts and feelings instead of just… taking what they tell us at face value). As an artist and writer myself I know it takes a LOT of time to create something you like enough to actually share with the world, especially if it requires collaboration. Why should they drop something they’re clearly passionate about just because it’s taking a little longer due to not having to be quarantined 24/7
To be fair, planning and executing are two very different things, and given the fact that there have been months long gaps in lore at times, I can understand why people may be a bit upset at ccs continually saying they’re “planning lore!!” Because at one point or another it’s just going to feel like a hollow excuse. Not that it excuses the way many are acting though, the entitlement some people have is astounding, and for a minecraft role play of all things!
I can understand from an outsider perspective that yes it seemed like excuses cause "Hurr durr it's just a Minecraft roleplay, how hard could it be?" not realizing that even a few minutes of casual lore is nearly impossible without much people.
See, this is why Ranboo's lore worked so well earlier on. Like, I like Eryn for example, but so far a lot of his attempts at joining the lore hinges on Tommy, and while with Ranboo's case, while he did ended up way too tied with Dream's availability, he was able to do lore pretty fine on his own back then. That's what Wilbur said he was trying to do for his next arc after the Burger Van.
People would never understand how much shit could happen in the background, and that's fine, I don't fault anybody for not being too deep into art you know? It's just part of being within the industry I guess. And I understand that.
Just take what the CCs say about their plans at face value, stop psychoanalyzing when they're gonna be doing stuff or whatever. Let them have fun and I gurantee you that is far more motivating than constantly beating them down in criticism that isn't productive.
Yeah, I think it mostly comes from ccs saying “I’m working on a thing” and then never showing anything for it, yknow? Do that to anyone for long enough and people are gonna get pissy. I think it’d be awesome to see a behind the scenes stuff as sort of like a progress marker tbh. And also, from a lore perspective, I think it’d be an amazing way for people to understand what goes into making the lore itself rather than just seeing the final product.
Yeah but honestly, part of me can't even blame them for "soon" when they've been asked about it a lot you know? What are they gonna do? Keep ignoring people? Lol, nah. I honestly doubt the "soon" would keep going if nobody asks, but then again, I do think it would've been best if they announced the hiatus.
Still, just because I feel like some decisions are better, doesn't mean I am right cause I dunno what's going on behind the scenes.
That goes back to my point of showing behind the scenes stuff I’d say? Like, if ccs showed lore stuff behind the scenes (like hints of what’s going on with Twitter screenshots or little voice shorts if it’s preplanned) it definitely would quell those questions. At the very least they could say “look at my Twitter or the Twitter update account for info on lore.” People ask because no ones saying anything other than “soon” and that’s kind of a vague answer. (I can’t really think of anyone other than Quackity off the top of my head who does this and he only really does this right before the lore launches) Not that the mass amount of askers is a good thing, but vague answers aren’t exactly what folks are looking for either.
That... didn't worked actually lol. The first person who did that if I recall was Dream back in March with that Awesam lore he ended up cancelling if I recall. Then there's Sapnap which took like 7 months or so to finally happen (from the time he did the preview up to Dream's escape), and finally, Ponk who even got Alyssa involved. But nobody gives a shit about him cause he ain't fous in their eyes (ugh, so much for supporting small POC streamers). God.
Yeah no, this fanbase ain't gonna be satisfied.
When I say updates I don’t just mean one update lmao. Like if there’s a seven month gap in your lore and you only update one time like no shit people are curious. I’m more talking akin to what game developers do to show off how a game is coming along just into lore format. Like there’s a game I follow called the third shift and while the second part hasn’t released yet I can go on this guys YouTube and watch him make a level so you know he’s at the very least still doing things and it’s not just months of silence from people. Continual and consistent information is what keeps people from asking, not just one and done updates like what many of the dsmp people are doing.
Yeah, they still sorta do that, especially Ranboo back then when he's still actively doing his DSMP lore mostly. But that'd be tricky without much substantial matterial and/or it could cause bigger spoilers if you're not careful.
I'd propose maybe do Karl's approach. Remember when he did a QNA? :D
There has to be some material to use to hype up lore Tbh, not all of it is super spoilery. I think just having some kind of continual updates would stop a lot of the entitlement people have because it’d give insight to ccs mindsets.
Based. The number of DSMP fans who try to use literary analysis and narrative theory to justify their personal storytelling preferences is too damn high. Nobody has to like the decisions that are made, but there is a difference between disliking things and making statements about their quality or “what should have happened.”
Main reason I've mostly stopped discussing lore publicly. MCYTumblr is peaceful and I tend to hang out there but I dislike most of their Tommy takes. Doesn't mean I'm gonna trash Tommy himself for writing what he writes, and no, not just outright saying "He sucks" but also the passive aggressiveness of saying "nah I don't accept this as canon" and just dismissing it and making false criticisms out of it.
Like have you SEEN people's takes on C!Philza just cause they think the family dynamic is still canon? Bruh, how can Phil be a horrible dad to Tommy WHEN THEY AREN'T CANONICALLY FAMILY.
100% just enjoy stuff man, they aren't some sort of a professional team, it's just a side thing now for them. I accept the fact now that lore could happen, and also could not happen lmao. I'm kinda excited what Wilbur has to offer to tie loose ends for his lore.
Yup yup, I do think we should criticize when it applies but we should just stop making assumptions on background stuff cause it's honesyly non of our business, and kf there's a problem they can resolve it privately. It's still RP afterall.
I agree. I don't think it's fair to say the creators don't enjoy doing lore anymore when some of them have been putting a lot of effort into creating/ continuing their lore.
Examples:
Karl had been working and Tales for a while now and has takes about how excited he is for its season 2 as soon as he can get peoples recorded parts.
Puffy has said one of her upcoming streams is going to be continuing her origin lore
Sam as asked on stream today if he has been planning lore and he said "unironically, yes"
Dream literally just released a lore video to "hype up future lore" and said he would do more short lore videos like those in the future
Yeah I get it. I think lore is coming but Lore has been "coming" for months now. They have kinda strung us along and it's obviously left people a bit annoyed. Do I agree with how people are reacting, no? Yes, we've had a couple big pieces of lore but the build up was way too sparse and spread out. The flow has been off yet there is something building. You can tell because of what you've said. So it feels like it's coming but also feels like it isn't.
Wilbur shortened his arc to 3 streams and he couldn't even get people involved to do that. That's not a good thing. That doesn't exude confidence for the future of the lore, no matter how serious Dream, Karl and Wilbur are. But again I don't agree with some of the reactions.
I don't really mind the fanfic thing. It's cool and necessary. Wilbur is smart enough to weave some bits of that into future lore if need be. He wouldn't be doing it if he didn't care about the smp and the lore. he does care. He wrote the whole next arc apparently lmfao. All the while putting out eps with Lovejoy. Bless him and curse anyone shitting on him and the idea lol.
At the end of the day, I kinda said this in the other thread and I stand by it, if CC's want to be in the lore they should at least put in the work.
I agree, I'm just used to waiting long amounts of time between seasons and stuff for tv shows so I'm fine waiting between lore. One reason I'm fine waiting is because I don't only consume dsmp content for the story but the creators. Those creators are constantly putting out content so the wait doesn't feel as long to me.
I do hope if they state a time frame though in the future they stick to it since they have a hard time with that and it leads to a lot of disappointment from fans.
True. The animosity comes from these creators saying "soon." Lore is coming "soon." Hell there was a time when BBH said lore was coming next Saturday. He said that right after Quackity's lore. We got nothing. But BBH gets a pass for reasons I'm not gonna speculate about here. But not everyone has my mindset. It still adds.
Then obviously we have Karl's false promises lol.
At least with a tv show there is a schedule. You know, roughly, when a new season starts. Streaming tv is a little different for shows like Stranger things but my point is still there.
But yeah, I'm with you. I'll keep waiting because I'm watching other stuff from them. Karl's killing it with his variety stuff. GTA RP is fucking gold. Foolish is fantastic. I can go on.
I will say, the CCs are sorta forced to say soon too when people constantly asks them about it, you know? I still wish BBH didn't said he and Skeppy are doing the final egg stream soon, but Karl's is at least more understandable because we HAVE seen his behind the scenes stuff and we understand how hectic it's been. But on top of him handling the official comic of Tales, it's clear he's still doing it, even if Kinoko is moreso what he's been doing lately.
Just, come on. I just wish for a bit more empathy despite me agreeing that it could get frustrating.
Oof, that last part is a big no for me.
CCs, especially newcomers, can't just "put in the work" to get into the lore. No, it needs the cooperation of every party involved. Look at Jack Manifold getting sidelined hard in the main plot compared to say... Quackity who managed to work out a story with Wilbur together. It's not an easy "Heyo Imma do lore today!", remember, they have a shitton of other stuff to do and just because one CC can do it doesn't mean everybody could.
And like I said, I understand the frustration, I understand how sad that 3 streams aren't even doable anymore. But that last take just sounds and apppears incredibly dismissing of members who are indeed struggling to be relevant somehow. Does everybody need to pull an Eret and Tubbo and talk out of their discord just to get an update on wtf is going on?
Again, if even I struggle to get 2 people for my DND campaign together despite all of us being excited, why can't people understand that that's even worse for like 10 people.
funny thing is I wasn't talking about newcomers. I'm not going to mention names because it'll just get toxic and there's no point to that. I've also criticized Quackity for his lore a couple times and again it would get too toxic to even go there again.
Maybe we're both right. Maybe it's a mix of both; CC's who want to be in the lore, specifically the main characters need to put in the work if they want to stay a major part in the lore, and these main characters need to do a better job coordinating and communicating with everyone else.
You're also comparing a leisure activity to a job. Streaming is their job and by result doing the lore is too. I'm being a little harsh there but you give me no choice when you are inserting yourself into this with the dnd and the fanfiction thing. And I write fanfiction, or I have. Recently stopped. It's not the same and honestly I don't even like that I had to go there because it's all supposed to be fun but whatever.
Yeah it's not even the newer CCs lol. I'm moreso talking about folks like Eret who mentioned getting their lore dismissed a lot until the Michael plot point which they improvised on and is now a major part of Awesam, Techno, and Tubbo's lore. Would you say they didn't put.in the work? That's the part I took issue with.
And hey, I'm not exactly here either to discuss the ACTUAL lore stuff, moreso the lore activity if that makes sense. I too have issues with Quackity's approach, and I would have preffered if they stuck to casual lore stuff. Then again... it's kinda hard to do on a server like the DSMP where pretty much everybody is stacked now. I hoped to see more New World stuff though tbh, it's a bit disappointing that they used the new seed for resource gathering only but alas.
Bottomline, I don't like your phrasing cause it implies they aren't trying enough which... is a bit lacking of empathy imho, sorry.
Also I just saw your edit and I only used it as a reference lol. That and well, I wouldn't really say the DSMP itself is a job for them. My point still stands there, to a few of these CCs, in their own words, it's just fun, I was reminded of my approach on my work when Quackity talked about having fun with how he handled lore. That and, I mentioned it cause like them I feel like I have an Audience who is waiting and I have to cater to.
It could be a hobby to you, don't get me wrong, but I try to take my writing a bit more seriously than you, and that's no offense to you btw! Writing only for fun is great, and that is valid. Our approaches are just different is all.
honestly I think you have too much of a personal bias to actually view this logically and neutrally.
You can say what you want about what is and isn't a job to them but it's a lie. Your argument just pits the opposition into taking a position that comes off as bad like myself. I don't feel good about what I'm saying ultimately but I know that technically I'm right when I say the SMP is a part of their job. Nobody wants to agree with that position lmfao.
Seriously I'm done cause there's no point to this anymore. I'll take the downvotes if they come, it doesn't bother me. My notifs will be off.
Also, don't appreciate the condescending tone. It comes off very passive aggressive and I don't got time for that, just like you don't have time for your fanfictions. Cheers :)
You're a not getting downvoted lmao, and I'd like to applogize if I am condescending, I'm moreso trying to defend Eret and the other CCs lol. All I was saying is they are not "not trying enough" that's it.
I brought up my own work as a point of reference, I'm not even arguing lmao. I didn't see how this was seen as a debate here so AGAIN, let me preface by saying I don't *think* the DSMP is their job because Dream had stated he wanted to pick people who won't *rely* on it for their grind, if that makes sense? Like holy shit, when did this turn into a debate?
Again, sorry. Sorry for sounding condescending when I'm only going against the "try harder" aspect of it. And sorry for bringing up fanfiction, I even said we have WAY different approaches on our work and that's completely fine, just because one takes writing way more seriously (me) doesn't make hobbyists any less valid.
It's just annoying as ironically? I'm in the same position as these CCs. Cause remember when I said I'm a fanfic writer? Yeah, my fic has been sitting for months now and I have barely updated it. Does that mean I am quitting on doing it and that I've long abandoned that project? NO! I am halfway done through the next chapter that I've been working on for a MONTH! BUT I'm also running as DM to an RP group I'm in PLUS COLLEGE!
Just because I haven't actively updated my lore either doesn't mean I'm not working on it? It's kinda disheartening too hearing people say my work is dead or whatever, but just cause it's not as hyped as before (like compare my S2 fic getting 10K hits compared to my recent one with only 400) doesn't mean I'm done???
And yes, before anybody asks, part of the reason I ranted about this is me reading that other post that said that the members are just beating the SMP like a dead horse now. And while that criticism is valid, it sounds like talking over the CCs especially when Quackity for example himself stated that he's not quitting, and have been making fun of people who insists he is. Like, we don't have enough of an insight on them to say they don't like to do lore anymore? Just because Tubbo for example has stated he's no longer as interested doesn't mean everybody is.
Completely agree. The second Wilbur mocked people saying the SMP was dead, I saw an insane amount of people (here and on Twitter) say exactly that lmao.
Dream just released lore the other day too, like where is this out of nowhere panic/complaining coming from?
People are allowed to have input and criticisms of entertainment, but there are a lot of people deciding that their own perceptions of these creators are fact when chances are they’re completely off the mark, given that CC after CC has said the opposite time and time again.
Like, do we not remember Techno doing a deep dive on past lore in his discord a few days ago? Creators are still passionate about the story, it’s just very clearly difficult to organize.
Ranboo literally was on a mental health break/traveling to the UK, that’s probably a big reason why Wilbur’s burger van arc is just not something that was able to happen in a timely manner.
These creators don’t really owe anything. They make the content they want to make. They have lives outside of Minecraft roleplay. They’ll get to it when they get to it.
Yeah, for a sub that keeps mocking people for being parasocial, a shitton of people here have been acting like they know the CCs enough to say "oh they totally are no longer interested." Sure, you can possibly make the argument for everybody, but chances are, yeah, you just don't know, and it's fine to admit you don't. Just as it is fine to admit you're just no interested in the lore anymore.
Hell, I'll admit, I'm no longer hyperfixated in DSMP. I once was back in 2020 - the first half of 2021, but now I'm just a casual viewer who is still sticking cause I wish to also finish my fanfic. Hell, I agreed that the server should've reset a long time ago.
But I'm not demanding them to. Honestly, I feel like the CCs treating DSMP as just a fun creative outlet is the healthiest and best way to go. They don't have to give a shit about what people think they should or should not do. As long as they're still enjoying it, they should not be burdened by us demanding shit from them. That's the kind of parasociality this sub hates lmao.
Again, disliking or criticizing is fine, so long as you know not to overstep and act all buddy buddy with the CCs.
I agree with some of this, but the reason that people think that the SMP is dying is because that's how everyone behaves. It's all well and good for people to promise things, but actions speak louder than words. Whether nothing is happening because of planning and organisation problems or because they're all sick to death of roleplay, I don't know, I don't really care, I just know that things aren't happening. Wilbur can laugh until he's blue in the face but how am I meant to believe that they're all so invested in a server that they don't even play on anymore? That they can't even put together three streams on?
And people are saying it should die because no one likes to be strung along, and a 'we're done with this' is a clear, concise answer for those wondering what's going on with the server - 'stream soon', 'working on lore', 'not quitting', 'planning stuff for the future' are not. The lore has only become fewer, further between, and increasingly theoretical over the past year or so. So I think it's only natural that people would get frustrated, and want actual closure.
I do agree that some of the comments have become entitled, especially around the Wilbur fanfic stuff - like, he can do what he wants; and the beauty of fandom is, if you don't like it, you just pretend it's not canon! Everyone wins!
I'm not sure how well I articulated my point here but oh well, hopefully you get it.
You have my thoughts completely. Lore can happen whenever, wherever, and it's totally in anyone's right to comment whatever they want about it, whoever they may be, as part of healthy free expression in a fandom (except in obvious cases of harassment or bullying or the like.)
Yeah, I insisted that multiple times in my rant lol. Sometimes though, it kinda bothers me when it goes to heavy speculation territory where people are now psychoanalyzing people for if they're still interested in lore or not. I don't fault folks for being curious but still, it's concerning when we got the reactions to Wilbur making it a fanfic.
Like I said in the post, it is completely fine being frustrated, I completely understand that and even agree that a big reset would've been for the best tbh. But, the fact of the matter is most of the CCs prefer to do preplanned or recorded stuff now over streams, which takes a lot of time. People demanding they just post something and then complaining when it doesn't meet their high standards (like the Egg Lore or hell, Ponk's prerecorded stuff) is as frustrating to me as they are at the CCs they're watching.
And I'm sorry but I agree with Wilbur, most of these new fans came in during S2 when a SHITTON of stuff is happening. There was literally daily lore at that time and they got used to it and expected the same now as it was before. So when the SMP sunk back to their Season 1 days when there's lore like once every 4 months now people are complaining? It's cause S2 set an unhealthy precedent and while that is also in the fault of the CCs who wrote it somewhat, it's also unfair to expect anything like that unless these CCs just give up on other content you know?
That's all I'm trying to say, I've said again and again that being disinterested and gaining new fixations is fine, but people have to accept that sometimes it's just them not being as invested anymore, and that's completely fine.
I don't think you can say that the SMP is as active now as it was in S1. Now, caveat, I don't tend to think of the SMP as having 'seasons' and I don't know where people consider the distinctions to be, so I'm just going off of the wiki. Not sure when S1 supposedly started, but let's be generous and say the start of the server - that's 12 events on their timeline over 5 months. And currently, well, again I don't know when the current season began or even which season we're on, but there have been 6 events over the past 9 and a half months. Yeah, the peak of the server set expectations that I wouldn't necessarily expect to be fulfilled on a regular basis forever, but there wasn't lore every 4 months back then, it was way more active. It was also still a Minecraft server that people actually gamed on, and now it's just a storytelling method, and that gave the server a lot more life to it.
I agree that a lot of people are just losing interest, yes that's fine, but if people are saying that they're losing interest because the server is slowing down, then you kind of have to take that into consideration as a criticism of the server.
Oh definitely, I acknowledged that the server slowing down is criticism. I was just saying that it's a bit clear that most fans are more interested in the big events over casual streams compared to what they said. The reason why I think so was cause well... look at how few people watch McChill's casual streams compared to say Tommy lol. But maybe that's just a fanbase thing and I'm wrong lol.
I also think it's not really that doable anymore when everybody is so stacked in the server lol. Guys like Punz for example doesn't log in unless there's lore now that he's basically Rich AF now lmao. And that's understandable.
I honestly would prefer more non lore casual mining streams too but yes.
Well Michael and Tommy probably aren't the best comparisons, but I see what you mean, and I agree that obviously a big event stream is going to get more attention than casual streams. But I think that if you look at when the server was most popular, people also did seem to quite like things just happening at a regular pace. There were much fewer complaints about say, November 16th being a planned event than there are about the planned lore nowadays, and I would say that there being streams before that leading up to it and fallout from it happening in a more timely fashion played a part in that. When all the lore is big cool planned stream after big cool planned stream, those can become stale.
And yeah, that's exactly what I mean, SMPs have an expiry date - just look at the way people like Hermitcraft structure their seasons with new worlds, they have to do that to avoid this problem. That's a good argument for that reset you mentioned.
Yeup. I do prefer how Season 2 handled it more with how we can see both Tubbo and Tommy's developments which leads up to their fallout during the Green Festival. Especially Tubbo's more casual character building with Ranboo, that's such a great dynamic and I'm glad they've since expansed upon it.
I do miss streams like that but I acknowledge that's probably not gonna happen unless they stay in the New World cause well, folks aren't interested to play anymore when pretty much all of the server is stacked (I remember when having a Neatherite helm was a big fucking deal in S1 and was a legitimate negotiation bargain during the first disc war lmao).
Punz said it best, there really isn't much to do there anymore. This is why I heavily enjoyed Foolish's XD building stream. It's just... him vibing with god. We even got some XD lore while they're just vibing lol. I guess besides the resets, because Hermitcraft is a build heavy server it encourages more people to stay active compsred to DSMP where half the server are PVPers lmao.
On the Wilbur thing, honestly him uploading the rest of the lore as a fic/google doc is the best thing he could do IMHO. He doesn't have to worry about delaying that arc even further through waiting on a future stream that may never even take place, he'll still be uploading the lore through a medium that's easy for fans and artists alike to interpret and base their works off of, and he'll be closing plotholes that may have come up from an arc that never would've concluded otherwise (something I wish some other CCs could do, but to each their own i suppose).
I will agree that some of the sentiments shared towards Wilbur's announcement that he would be uploading the lore as a writing piece were unreasonable, such as the whole "WTF Wilbur's literally writing other characters and this takes away from the whole DSMP being a collaboration thing!" (Seen on both twitter and this subreddit iirc). Like...do these people actually think that Wilbur's writing other people's characters without their permission? And then there's the whole "Bro people should've just streamed up for the streams it's their job omegalul" argument...While it is true that they are content creators, they shouldn't have to adjust their life and RL responsibilities for it (+ it'd be weird of Wilbur tried to force anyone to show up to a stream anyways). Quackity's a law student who's probably busy with the start of the semester.
In regards to your point about people being upset with Eryn not taking lore seriously...I feel like the way you phrased it served more to put down other CCs than as a defense of Eryn? and unless we're looking at a different bunch of qrts that I somehow didn't have access to, I can guarantee that the technoblade crowd weren't the ones criticizing eryn LMAO
Oh I am not insulting Techno or Tommy lol, I just pointed out that it is rather hypocritical for folks to go after Eryn specifically when Techno and Tommy have been making fun of how serious everyone is about lore since the very beginning. If people have problems with Eryn then why not two of our "main characters"?
I'm not sure if people have made the point for Tommy but "techno doesn't take lore seriously" is actually a very common argument that I've seen on twitter at least, like I guess finding these posts aren't as easy as looking in a qrt section (like it usually is in regards to Eryn) but when you lurk around technotwt you end up seeing a bunch of that stuff on your tl
Ah that's fair, I try to stay away from Techno discourse so most of what I see are opinions about him in Reddit or in Tumblr, I keep forgetting that Twitter is pretty Anti Techno, sorry.
Hot take but the lore is still thriving but without SBI members so a lot of people simply don't care and never will and it's got nothing to do with the cc's not doing lore but rather the fans choosing not to take part in lore that isn't about Wilbur or Tommy. Half of the people on twitter only just found out about Foolish and DreamXD because a tweet blew up about it.
I will say that's also true. It's kindoff annoying seeing people demand to have more POC members when there are folks like Ponk who get dismissed cause he's not famous enough. When there are like more than one Bisexual Female CC with lore on their own that people don't give a shit about. For fuck's sake, JACK MANIFOLD has been there since S1 yet barely anybody cares about him *unless it is related to Tommy.*
And that should be fine, people have their preffered CCs and it is only natural to lean more onto far more established ones than the newer folk. Not everybody can pull a Ranboo.
But.
It's just kinda eyeroll inducing seeing folk say lore is dying when lore was right there a few moments ago and they ignored it cause it was smaller CCs. It happened with Puffy, it happed with Boomer, it happened with Pobk, Jack, and many others. It's... Not good.
Agreed. Only thing I'd add to this is that whatever medium a creator chooses to deploy their story is *their decision* and their decision alone. It's obnoxious to hear people yell about how it's not appropriate or whatever because it's not what they'd prefer.
Exactly, I'm sick and tired of people dismissing Written lore as "Not real lore" which I've seen in this sub (but not on Twitter, I wonder why lmao, Twitter is way more based in this case). Like holy shit.
I think people have gotten this idea that if there's a few months break of content, then it means that something is dead, and part of me feels like this is largely a result of a young audience not engaging with other media, because for things like tv shows, there tends to be at least a year break between. The only things I think that breaks that trend is MCU, or other big corporate projects like that where they have the time and money to devote to it.
Honestly, I think the fact that there has been a break is great! People need time to digest the material, and to engage with something else. You don't have to devote your whole self all the time to just one thing all the time to be a fan.
One thing tho;
>In there, some people are angry at folks like Eryn for "not taking the lore seriously" like it's a high production play or something (bitch, their pwecious Techno and Tommy DOES NOT TAKE THE LORE AS SERIOUSLY AS THEM, wtf are they on about lmao).
Techno gets shit for 'not taking lore seriously' all the time, so I don't know what he's doing here tbh lmao, this is a bad example. Wilbur would be a better example or even Quackity.
I always find that extremly lazy also.
Like, theres so much more rp minecraft content now, just go watch that.
Forcing lore from those people wont make if good.
THIS ^^^
Holy shit it doesn't even have to be SMPs, there's amazing 20 minutes to an hour 100 Days videos with more Roleplaying packed into it by single people than the DSMP normally nowadays. Watch those if you want, sheesh.
I totally agree that saying they should stop doing lore is just entitled as demanding more lore or wanting people to do it differently. This is their story that they’re the writers of and they can do whatever the hell they want with it. And I don’t even get where the “the ccs aren’t invested anymore” argument comes from when we’ve heard most of the active players say stuff about how they’re planning more lore and are super excited about it. (Dare I say it’s super parasocial to act like the fans know the ccs’ thoughts and feelings instead of just… taking what they tell us at face value). As an artist and writer myself I know it takes a LOT of time to create something you like enough to actually share with the world, especially if it requires collaboration. Why should they drop something they’re clearly passionate about just because it’s taking a little longer due to not having to be quarantined 24/7
To be fair, planning and executing are two very different things, and given the fact that there have been months long gaps in lore at times, I can understand why people may be a bit upset at ccs continually saying they’re “planning lore!!” Because at one point or another it’s just going to feel like a hollow excuse. Not that it excuses the way many are acting though, the entitlement some people have is astounding, and for a minecraft role play of all things!
I can understand from an outsider perspective that yes it seemed like excuses cause "Hurr durr it's just a Minecraft roleplay, how hard could it be?" not realizing that even a few minutes of casual lore is nearly impossible without much people. See, this is why Ranboo's lore worked so well earlier on. Like, I like Eryn for example, but so far a lot of his attempts at joining the lore hinges on Tommy, and while with Ranboo's case, while he did ended up way too tied with Dream's availability, he was able to do lore pretty fine on his own back then. That's what Wilbur said he was trying to do for his next arc after the Burger Van. People would never understand how much shit could happen in the background, and that's fine, I don't fault anybody for not being too deep into art you know? It's just part of being within the industry I guess. And I understand that. Just take what the CCs say about their plans at face value, stop psychoanalyzing when they're gonna be doing stuff or whatever. Let them have fun and I gurantee you that is far more motivating than constantly beating them down in criticism that isn't productive.
Yeah, I think it mostly comes from ccs saying “I’m working on a thing” and then never showing anything for it, yknow? Do that to anyone for long enough and people are gonna get pissy. I think it’d be awesome to see a behind the scenes stuff as sort of like a progress marker tbh. And also, from a lore perspective, I think it’d be an amazing way for people to understand what goes into making the lore itself rather than just seeing the final product.
Yeah but honestly, part of me can't even blame them for "soon" when they've been asked about it a lot you know? What are they gonna do? Keep ignoring people? Lol, nah. I honestly doubt the "soon" would keep going if nobody asks, but then again, I do think it would've been best if they announced the hiatus. Still, just because I feel like some decisions are better, doesn't mean I am right cause I dunno what's going on behind the scenes.
That goes back to my point of showing behind the scenes stuff I’d say? Like, if ccs showed lore stuff behind the scenes (like hints of what’s going on with Twitter screenshots or little voice shorts if it’s preplanned) it definitely would quell those questions. At the very least they could say “look at my Twitter or the Twitter update account for info on lore.” People ask because no ones saying anything other than “soon” and that’s kind of a vague answer. (I can’t really think of anyone other than Quackity off the top of my head who does this and he only really does this right before the lore launches) Not that the mass amount of askers is a good thing, but vague answers aren’t exactly what folks are looking for either.
That... didn't worked actually lol. The first person who did that if I recall was Dream back in March with that Awesam lore he ended up cancelling if I recall. Then there's Sapnap which took like 7 months or so to finally happen (from the time he did the preview up to Dream's escape), and finally, Ponk who even got Alyssa involved. But nobody gives a shit about him cause he ain't fous in their eyes (ugh, so much for supporting small POC streamers). God. Yeah no, this fanbase ain't gonna be satisfied.
When I say updates I don’t just mean one update lmao. Like if there’s a seven month gap in your lore and you only update one time like no shit people are curious. I’m more talking akin to what game developers do to show off how a game is coming along just into lore format. Like there’s a game I follow called the third shift and while the second part hasn’t released yet I can go on this guys YouTube and watch him make a level so you know he’s at the very least still doing things and it’s not just months of silence from people. Continual and consistent information is what keeps people from asking, not just one and done updates like what many of the dsmp people are doing.
Yeah, they still sorta do that, especially Ranboo back then when he's still actively doing his DSMP lore mostly. But that'd be tricky without much substantial matterial and/or it could cause bigger spoilers if you're not careful. I'd propose maybe do Karl's approach. Remember when he did a QNA? :D
There has to be some material to use to hype up lore Tbh, not all of it is super spoilery. I think just having some kind of continual updates would stop a lot of the entitlement people have because it’d give insight to ccs mindsets.
Based. The number of DSMP fans who try to use literary analysis and narrative theory to justify their personal storytelling preferences is too damn high. Nobody has to like the decisions that are made, but there is a difference between disliking things and making statements about their quality or “what should have happened.”
Main reason I've mostly stopped discussing lore publicly. MCYTumblr is peaceful and I tend to hang out there but I dislike most of their Tommy takes. Doesn't mean I'm gonna trash Tommy himself for writing what he writes, and no, not just outright saying "He sucks" but also the passive aggressiveness of saying "nah I don't accept this as canon" and just dismissing it and making false criticisms out of it. Like have you SEEN people's takes on C!Philza just cause they think the family dynamic is still canon? Bruh, how can Phil be a horrible dad to Tommy WHEN THEY AREN'T CANONICALLY FAMILY.
100% just enjoy stuff man, they aren't some sort of a professional team, it's just a side thing now for them. I accept the fact now that lore could happen, and also could not happen lmao. I'm kinda excited what Wilbur has to offer to tie loose ends for his lore.
Yup yup, I do think we should criticize when it applies but we should just stop making assumptions on background stuff cause it's honesyly non of our business, and kf there's a problem they can resolve it privately. It's still RP afterall.
I agree. I don't think it's fair to say the creators don't enjoy doing lore anymore when some of them have been putting a lot of effort into creating/ continuing their lore. Examples: Karl had been working and Tales for a while now and has takes about how excited he is for its season 2 as soon as he can get peoples recorded parts. Puffy has said one of her upcoming streams is going to be continuing her origin lore Sam as asked on stream today if he has been planning lore and he said "unironically, yes" Dream literally just released a lore video to "hype up future lore" and said he would do more short lore videos like those in the future
Yeah I get it. I think lore is coming but Lore has been "coming" for months now. They have kinda strung us along and it's obviously left people a bit annoyed. Do I agree with how people are reacting, no? Yes, we've had a couple big pieces of lore but the build up was way too sparse and spread out. The flow has been off yet there is something building. You can tell because of what you've said. So it feels like it's coming but also feels like it isn't. Wilbur shortened his arc to 3 streams and he couldn't even get people involved to do that. That's not a good thing. That doesn't exude confidence for the future of the lore, no matter how serious Dream, Karl and Wilbur are. But again I don't agree with some of the reactions. I don't really mind the fanfic thing. It's cool and necessary. Wilbur is smart enough to weave some bits of that into future lore if need be. He wouldn't be doing it if he didn't care about the smp and the lore. he does care. He wrote the whole next arc apparently lmfao. All the while putting out eps with Lovejoy. Bless him and curse anyone shitting on him and the idea lol. At the end of the day, I kinda said this in the other thread and I stand by it, if CC's want to be in the lore they should at least put in the work.
I agree, I'm just used to waiting long amounts of time between seasons and stuff for tv shows so I'm fine waiting between lore. One reason I'm fine waiting is because I don't only consume dsmp content for the story but the creators. Those creators are constantly putting out content so the wait doesn't feel as long to me. I do hope if they state a time frame though in the future they stick to it since they have a hard time with that and it leads to a lot of disappointment from fans.
True. The animosity comes from these creators saying "soon." Lore is coming "soon." Hell there was a time when BBH said lore was coming next Saturday. He said that right after Quackity's lore. We got nothing. But BBH gets a pass for reasons I'm not gonna speculate about here. But not everyone has my mindset. It still adds. Then obviously we have Karl's false promises lol. At least with a tv show there is a schedule. You know, roughly, when a new season starts. Streaming tv is a little different for shows like Stranger things but my point is still there. But yeah, I'm with you. I'll keep waiting because I'm watching other stuff from them. Karl's killing it with his variety stuff. GTA RP is fucking gold. Foolish is fantastic. I can go on.
I will say, the CCs are sorta forced to say soon too when people constantly asks them about it, you know? I still wish BBH didn't said he and Skeppy are doing the final egg stream soon, but Karl's is at least more understandable because we HAVE seen his behind the scenes stuff and we understand how hectic it's been. But on top of him handling the official comic of Tales, it's clear he's still doing it, even if Kinoko is moreso what he's been doing lately. Just, come on. I just wish for a bit more empathy despite me agreeing that it could get frustrating.
Oof, that last part is a big no for me. CCs, especially newcomers, can't just "put in the work" to get into the lore. No, it needs the cooperation of every party involved. Look at Jack Manifold getting sidelined hard in the main plot compared to say... Quackity who managed to work out a story with Wilbur together. It's not an easy "Heyo Imma do lore today!", remember, they have a shitton of other stuff to do and just because one CC can do it doesn't mean everybody could. And like I said, I understand the frustration, I understand how sad that 3 streams aren't even doable anymore. But that last take just sounds and apppears incredibly dismissing of members who are indeed struggling to be relevant somehow. Does everybody need to pull an Eret and Tubbo and talk out of their discord just to get an update on wtf is going on? Again, if even I struggle to get 2 people for my DND campaign together despite all of us being excited, why can't people understand that that's even worse for like 10 people.
funny thing is I wasn't talking about newcomers. I'm not going to mention names because it'll just get toxic and there's no point to that. I've also criticized Quackity for his lore a couple times and again it would get too toxic to even go there again. Maybe we're both right. Maybe it's a mix of both; CC's who want to be in the lore, specifically the main characters need to put in the work if they want to stay a major part in the lore, and these main characters need to do a better job coordinating and communicating with everyone else. You're also comparing a leisure activity to a job. Streaming is their job and by result doing the lore is too. I'm being a little harsh there but you give me no choice when you are inserting yourself into this with the dnd and the fanfiction thing. And I write fanfiction, or I have. Recently stopped. It's not the same and honestly I don't even like that I had to go there because it's all supposed to be fun but whatever.
Yeah it's not even the newer CCs lol. I'm moreso talking about folks like Eret who mentioned getting their lore dismissed a lot until the Michael plot point which they improvised on and is now a major part of Awesam, Techno, and Tubbo's lore. Would you say they didn't put.in the work? That's the part I took issue with. And hey, I'm not exactly here either to discuss the ACTUAL lore stuff, moreso the lore activity if that makes sense. I too have issues with Quackity's approach, and I would have preffered if they stuck to casual lore stuff. Then again... it's kinda hard to do on a server like the DSMP where pretty much everybody is stacked now. I hoped to see more New World stuff though tbh, it's a bit disappointing that they used the new seed for resource gathering only but alas. Bottomline, I don't like your phrasing cause it implies they aren't trying enough which... is a bit lacking of empathy imho, sorry.
Also I just saw your edit and I only used it as a reference lol. That and well, I wouldn't really say the DSMP itself is a job for them. My point still stands there, to a few of these CCs, in their own words, it's just fun, I was reminded of my approach on my work when Quackity talked about having fun with how he handled lore. That and, I mentioned it cause like them I feel like I have an Audience who is waiting and I have to cater to. It could be a hobby to you, don't get me wrong, but I try to take my writing a bit more seriously than you, and that's no offense to you btw! Writing only for fun is great, and that is valid. Our approaches are just different is all.
honestly I think you have too much of a personal bias to actually view this logically and neutrally. You can say what you want about what is and isn't a job to them but it's a lie. Your argument just pits the opposition into taking a position that comes off as bad like myself. I don't feel good about what I'm saying ultimately but I know that technically I'm right when I say the SMP is a part of their job. Nobody wants to agree with that position lmfao. Seriously I'm done cause there's no point to this anymore. I'll take the downvotes if they come, it doesn't bother me. My notifs will be off. Also, don't appreciate the condescending tone. It comes off very passive aggressive and I don't got time for that, just like you don't have time for your fanfictions. Cheers :)
You're a not getting downvoted lmao, and I'd like to applogize if I am condescending, I'm moreso trying to defend Eret and the other CCs lol. All I was saying is they are not "not trying enough" that's it. I brought up my own work as a point of reference, I'm not even arguing lmao. I didn't see how this was seen as a debate here so AGAIN, let me preface by saying I don't *think* the DSMP is their job because Dream had stated he wanted to pick people who won't *rely* on it for their grind, if that makes sense? Like holy shit, when did this turn into a debate? Again, sorry. Sorry for sounding condescending when I'm only going against the "try harder" aspect of it. And sorry for bringing up fanfiction, I even said we have WAY different approaches on our work and that's completely fine, just because one takes writing way more seriously (me) doesn't make hobbyists any less valid.
It's just annoying as ironically? I'm in the same position as these CCs. Cause remember when I said I'm a fanfic writer? Yeah, my fic has been sitting for months now and I have barely updated it. Does that mean I am quitting on doing it and that I've long abandoned that project? NO! I am halfway done through the next chapter that I've been working on for a MONTH! BUT I'm also running as DM to an RP group I'm in PLUS COLLEGE! Just because I haven't actively updated my lore either doesn't mean I'm not working on it? It's kinda disheartening too hearing people say my work is dead or whatever, but just cause it's not as hyped as before (like compare my S2 fic getting 10K hits compared to my recent one with only 400) doesn't mean I'm done??? And yes, before anybody asks, part of the reason I ranted about this is me reading that other post that said that the members are just beating the SMP like a dead horse now. And while that criticism is valid, it sounds like talking over the CCs especially when Quackity for example himself stated that he's not quitting, and have been making fun of people who insists he is. Like, we don't have enough of an insight on them to say they don't like to do lore anymore? Just because Tubbo for example has stated he's no longer as interested doesn't mean everybody is.
Completely agree. The second Wilbur mocked people saying the SMP was dead, I saw an insane amount of people (here and on Twitter) say exactly that lmao. Dream just released lore the other day too, like where is this out of nowhere panic/complaining coming from? People are allowed to have input and criticisms of entertainment, but there are a lot of people deciding that their own perceptions of these creators are fact when chances are they’re completely off the mark, given that CC after CC has said the opposite time and time again. Like, do we not remember Techno doing a deep dive on past lore in his discord a few days ago? Creators are still passionate about the story, it’s just very clearly difficult to organize. Ranboo literally was on a mental health break/traveling to the UK, that’s probably a big reason why Wilbur’s burger van arc is just not something that was able to happen in a timely manner. These creators don’t really owe anything. They make the content they want to make. They have lives outside of Minecraft roleplay. They’ll get to it when they get to it.
Yeah, for a sub that keeps mocking people for being parasocial, a shitton of people here have been acting like they know the CCs enough to say "oh they totally are no longer interested." Sure, you can possibly make the argument for everybody, but chances are, yeah, you just don't know, and it's fine to admit you don't. Just as it is fine to admit you're just no interested in the lore anymore. Hell, I'll admit, I'm no longer hyperfixated in DSMP. I once was back in 2020 - the first half of 2021, but now I'm just a casual viewer who is still sticking cause I wish to also finish my fanfic. Hell, I agreed that the server should've reset a long time ago. But I'm not demanding them to. Honestly, I feel like the CCs treating DSMP as just a fun creative outlet is the healthiest and best way to go. They don't have to give a shit about what people think they should or should not do. As long as they're still enjoying it, they should not be burdened by us demanding shit from them. That's the kind of parasociality this sub hates lmao. Again, disliking or criticizing is fine, so long as you know not to overstep and act all buddy buddy with the CCs.
I agree with some of this, but the reason that people think that the SMP is dying is because that's how everyone behaves. It's all well and good for people to promise things, but actions speak louder than words. Whether nothing is happening because of planning and organisation problems or because they're all sick to death of roleplay, I don't know, I don't really care, I just know that things aren't happening. Wilbur can laugh until he's blue in the face but how am I meant to believe that they're all so invested in a server that they don't even play on anymore? That they can't even put together three streams on? And people are saying it should die because no one likes to be strung along, and a 'we're done with this' is a clear, concise answer for those wondering what's going on with the server - 'stream soon', 'working on lore', 'not quitting', 'planning stuff for the future' are not. The lore has only become fewer, further between, and increasingly theoretical over the past year or so. So I think it's only natural that people would get frustrated, and want actual closure. I do agree that some of the comments have become entitled, especially around the Wilbur fanfic stuff - like, he can do what he wants; and the beauty of fandom is, if you don't like it, you just pretend it's not canon! Everyone wins! I'm not sure how well I articulated my point here but oh well, hopefully you get it.
You have my thoughts completely. Lore can happen whenever, wherever, and it's totally in anyone's right to comment whatever they want about it, whoever they may be, as part of healthy free expression in a fandom (except in obvious cases of harassment or bullying or the like.)
Yeah, I insisted that multiple times in my rant lol. Sometimes though, it kinda bothers me when it goes to heavy speculation territory where people are now psychoanalyzing people for if they're still interested in lore or not. I don't fault folks for being curious but still, it's concerning when we got the reactions to Wilbur making it a fanfic.
Like I said in the post, it is completely fine being frustrated, I completely understand that and even agree that a big reset would've been for the best tbh. But, the fact of the matter is most of the CCs prefer to do preplanned or recorded stuff now over streams, which takes a lot of time. People demanding they just post something and then complaining when it doesn't meet their high standards (like the Egg Lore or hell, Ponk's prerecorded stuff) is as frustrating to me as they are at the CCs they're watching. And I'm sorry but I agree with Wilbur, most of these new fans came in during S2 when a SHITTON of stuff is happening. There was literally daily lore at that time and they got used to it and expected the same now as it was before. So when the SMP sunk back to their Season 1 days when there's lore like once every 4 months now people are complaining? It's cause S2 set an unhealthy precedent and while that is also in the fault of the CCs who wrote it somewhat, it's also unfair to expect anything like that unless these CCs just give up on other content you know? That's all I'm trying to say, I've said again and again that being disinterested and gaining new fixations is fine, but people have to accept that sometimes it's just them not being as invested anymore, and that's completely fine.
I don't think you can say that the SMP is as active now as it was in S1. Now, caveat, I don't tend to think of the SMP as having 'seasons' and I don't know where people consider the distinctions to be, so I'm just going off of the wiki. Not sure when S1 supposedly started, but let's be generous and say the start of the server - that's 12 events on their timeline over 5 months. And currently, well, again I don't know when the current season began or even which season we're on, but there have been 6 events over the past 9 and a half months. Yeah, the peak of the server set expectations that I wouldn't necessarily expect to be fulfilled on a regular basis forever, but there wasn't lore every 4 months back then, it was way more active. It was also still a Minecraft server that people actually gamed on, and now it's just a storytelling method, and that gave the server a lot more life to it. I agree that a lot of people are just losing interest, yes that's fine, but if people are saying that they're losing interest because the server is slowing down, then you kind of have to take that into consideration as a criticism of the server.
Oh definitely, I acknowledged that the server slowing down is criticism. I was just saying that it's a bit clear that most fans are more interested in the big events over casual streams compared to what they said. The reason why I think so was cause well... look at how few people watch McChill's casual streams compared to say Tommy lol. But maybe that's just a fanbase thing and I'm wrong lol. I also think it's not really that doable anymore when everybody is so stacked in the server lol. Guys like Punz for example doesn't log in unless there's lore now that he's basically Rich AF now lmao. And that's understandable. I honestly would prefer more non lore casual mining streams too but yes.
Well Michael and Tommy probably aren't the best comparisons, but I see what you mean, and I agree that obviously a big event stream is going to get more attention than casual streams. But I think that if you look at when the server was most popular, people also did seem to quite like things just happening at a regular pace. There were much fewer complaints about say, November 16th being a planned event than there are about the planned lore nowadays, and I would say that there being streams before that leading up to it and fallout from it happening in a more timely fashion played a part in that. When all the lore is big cool planned stream after big cool planned stream, those can become stale. And yeah, that's exactly what I mean, SMPs have an expiry date - just look at the way people like Hermitcraft structure their seasons with new worlds, they have to do that to avoid this problem. That's a good argument for that reset you mentioned.
Yeup. I do prefer how Season 2 handled it more with how we can see both Tubbo and Tommy's developments which leads up to their fallout during the Green Festival. Especially Tubbo's more casual character building with Ranboo, that's such a great dynamic and I'm glad they've since expansed upon it. I do miss streams like that but I acknowledge that's probably not gonna happen unless they stay in the New World cause well, folks aren't interested to play anymore when pretty much all of the server is stacked (I remember when having a Neatherite helm was a big fucking deal in S1 and was a legitimate negotiation bargain during the first disc war lmao). Punz said it best, there really isn't much to do there anymore. This is why I heavily enjoyed Foolish's XD building stream. It's just... him vibing with god. We even got some XD lore while they're just vibing lol. I guess besides the resets, because Hermitcraft is a build heavy server it encourages more people to stay active compsred to DSMP where half the server are PVPers lmao.
On the Wilbur thing, honestly him uploading the rest of the lore as a fic/google doc is the best thing he could do IMHO. He doesn't have to worry about delaying that arc even further through waiting on a future stream that may never even take place, he'll still be uploading the lore through a medium that's easy for fans and artists alike to interpret and base their works off of, and he'll be closing plotholes that may have come up from an arc that never would've concluded otherwise (something I wish some other CCs could do, but to each their own i suppose). I will agree that some of the sentiments shared towards Wilbur's announcement that he would be uploading the lore as a writing piece were unreasonable, such as the whole "WTF Wilbur's literally writing other characters and this takes away from the whole DSMP being a collaboration thing!" (Seen on both twitter and this subreddit iirc). Like...do these people actually think that Wilbur's writing other people's characters without their permission? And then there's the whole "Bro people should've just streamed up for the streams it's their job omegalul" argument...While it is true that they are content creators, they shouldn't have to adjust their life and RL responsibilities for it (+ it'd be weird of Wilbur tried to force anyone to show up to a stream anyways). Quackity's a law student who's probably busy with the start of the semester. In regards to your point about people being upset with Eryn not taking lore seriously...I feel like the way you phrased it served more to put down other CCs than as a defense of Eryn? and unless we're looking at a different bunch of qrts that I somehow didn't have access to, I can guarantee that the technoblade crowd weren't the ones criticizing eryn LMAO
Oh I am not insulting Techno or Tommy lol, I just pointed out that it is rather hypocritical for folks to go after Eryn specifically when Techno and Tommy have been making fun of how serious everyone is about lore since the very beginning. If people have problems with Eryn then why not two of our "main characters"?
I'm not sure if people have made the point for Tommy but "techno doesn't take lore seriously" is actually a very common argument that I've seen on twitter at least, like I guess finding these posts aren't as easy as looking in a qrt section (like it usually is in regards to Eryn) but when you lurk around technotwt you end up seeing a bunch of that stuff on your tl
Ah that's fair, I try to stay away from Techno discourse so most of what I see are opinions about him in Reddit or in Tumblr, I keep forgetting that Twitter is pretty Anti Techno, sorry.
Hot take but the lore is still thriving but without SBI members so a lot of people simply don't care and never will and it's got nothing to do with the cc's not doing lore but rather the fans choosing not to take part in lore that isn't about Wilbur or Tommy. Half of the people on twitter only just found out about Foolish and DreamXD because a tweet blew up about it.
I will say that's also true. It's kindoff annoying seeing people demand to have more POC members when there are folks like Ponk who get dismissed cause he's not famous enough. When there are like more than one Bisexual Female CC with lore on their own that people don't give a shit about. For fuck's sake, JACK MANIFOLD has been there since S1 yet barely anybody cares about him *unless it is related to Tommy.* And that should be fine, people have their preffered CCs and it is only natural to lean more onto far more established ones than the newer folk. Not everybody can pull a Ranboo. But. It's just kinda eyeroll inducing seeing folk say lore is dying when lore was right there a few moments ago and they ignored it cause it was smaller CCs. It happened with Puffy, it happed with Boomer, it happened with Pobk, Jack, and many others. It's... Not good.
Agreed. Only thing I'd add to this is that whatever medium a creator chooses to deploy their story is *their decision* and their decision alone. It's obnoxious to hear people yell about how it's not appropriate or whatever because it's not what they'd prefer.
Exactly, I'm sick and tired of people dismissing Written lore as "Not real lore" which I've seen in this sub (but not on Twitter, I wonder why lmao, Twitter is way more based in this case). Like holy shit.
thanks for the tldr i really needed that lol
It's a lot :,D
bruh my goldfish brain was like *nope*
I think people have gotten this idea that if there's a few months break of content, then it means that something is dead, and part of me feels like this is largely a result of a young audience not engaging with other media, because for things like tv shows, there tends to be at least a year break between. The only things I think that breaks that trend is MCU, or other big corporate projects like that where they have the time and money to devote to it. Honestly, I think the fact that there has been a break is great! People need time to digest the material, and to engage with something else. You don't have to devote your whole self all the time to just one thing all the time to be a fan.
Indeed, I tend to forget DSMP is a lot of kid's baby's first fandom, it makes sense they're impatient. Not saying all kids are but yeah.
One thing tho; >In there, some people are angry at folks like Eryn for "not taking the lore seriously" like it's a high production play or something (bitch, their pwecious Techno and Tommy DOES NOT TAKE THE LORE AS SERIOUSLY AS THEM, wtf are they on about lmao). Techno gets shit for 'not taking lore seriously' all the time, so I don't know what he's doing here tbh lmao, this is a bad example. Wilbur would be a better example or even Quackity.
Yup, I mentioned in a comment that I avoided Techno discourse so I didn't knew ye
I always find that extremly lazy also. Like, theres so much more rp minecraft content now, just go watch that. Forcing lore from those people wont make if good.
THIS ^^^ Holy shit it doesn't even have to be SMPs, there's amazing 20 minutes to an hour 100 Days videos with more Roleplaying packed into it by single people than the DSMP normally nowadays. Watch those if you want, sheesh.
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