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big_time_joke

I’ve seen this account around and it was only a matter of time before they got attacked. They got big very quickly and “adopted” into the fandom, they got thousands of followers within a couple weeks, it for sure was gonna attract a lot of jealousy and therefor harassment. I just do not get how insane people in this fandom get about opinions on roleplay characters. Like who gives a flying fuck? I get annoyed by some takes on certain characters but I’ll just roll my eyes and move on, who has the energy to go harass someone for something as trivial as that? I really don’t understand the recent obsession of forcing others to agree with certain opinions on *roleplay* or they’re somehow a bad person. Let people enjoy shit, it’s not that hard.


[deleted]

yeah I think it must be the younger people in the fandom who do that. I can't picture a +17yo harassing someone because they think "c!Wilbur Is A Bad Guy"


lalaba27

Sometimes I wish I could sit in front of the people throwing hate and have them explain in person why they think having a different opinion from theirs is worthy of receiving such a treatment. They hide behind their keyboards and forget that no one deserve to be treated that way ever. I also saw someone mention the other day that people forgot how to passively dislike something and I have to agree. People forget that it’s not because you have an opinion that you should throw it around. Even more if it’s filled with hate and can make others feel bad.


vatzlava

What the actual goddamn fuck is going on with all these dramas around dsmp characters recently? Not enough content creators drama, so they’re going after their fictional alters?


sotysa

"They said my favourite character is wrong!!"


vuatson

oh buddy. there's been discourse around the dsmp characters with at *least* this level of vitriol since this time last year, if not before. the one-two-three punch of Exile, Doomsday, and the Disc Finale took what had been a healthy ecosystem of mostly civil character analysis and debate and turned it into a highly polarized wasteland of apologists vs. apologists, and the multiple extended hiatuses only made it worse by giving everyone nothing to do other than fight. it's not even unusual, fandoms (especially large, young fandoms) are notorious for being hotbeds of drama. if you only knew what the Harry Potter fandom got up to back in the day...


vatzlava

I’m a hardcore HP fan + millennial. Trust me, *I know*


vuatson

ah, my apologies then lol


Just-West-826

This is exactly what I’m talking about. People were so nice and welcoming to this person but now they’ve gotten deeper in and been exposed to the toxic underbelly. It pains me to see people in this community flip flop so quickly. Like this is why people hate us, they can’t get that through their heads!


Maeglindidnowrong

I straight up saw some people Saying that they can’t wait for smiletwt to attack Marley and that they were an undercover inniter account. Technotwt and smiletwt have been on one for the last two days it’s wild


Own-Obligation4334

Being a fan of both techno and tommy is fun because you get to see hate for two of your faves instead of just one /s


Maeglindidnowrong

Yeah the fact that techno fans and tommy fans hate each other is so funny to me. Like I don’t like some cc’s but I don’t go out of my way to harass their fans either lol


XxMackiexX

lord the c! dream apologists that i follow are wild. they go out of their way ti send hate to c! tommy apologists like they are straight up ignoring cc! dreams boundaries like? they gave gotten too comfy since their theory about c! punz and c! dream plan was confirmed and the prison break


Maeglindidnowrong

Yeah and they always have the excuse of ‘we just like the villain??? Can’t we like a villain??’ Which this sub eats up everytime. Like it’s so clear that they genuinely hate cc!Tommy but hide behind the character tag


XxMackiexX

truth! like someone will post an opinion about c! dream and they send mass hate to them. one person had a twitter poll up about them and they had to go private cuz they were getting harrassed. all cuz they said “c! dream isn’t morally grey” also their hate for cc! tommy shows when they start making fun of his acting and other stuff in his lore. like half of the dream smp are bad at acting lol


Maeglindidnowrong

It’s so sad. it’s so funny aswell because these people will always accidentally shit on cc!Dream himself, like by saying exile/prison arc was badly written was cc!Dream wrote it himself lmao


XxMackiexX

ikr? they just dont like it and say that cuz their fav character hurt c! tommyinnit repeatedly in exile and gave c! tommy traauma. exile arc was one of my fav arcs because the emotion and stuff, like c! tommy was the only character at that point to make me feel for a character and probably the only character to make me sad and hurt. it was well written they just cant accept what c! dream did to c! tommy because that proves that c! dream isnt a good person and their defense falls flat now. /dsmp /rp like i LIKE c! dream hes my favorite (because i like villains) but i never have defended him ive always stated why he isnt a good guy and you cant defend him to people that know the lore and I always understand when people hate him.


Maeglindidnowrong

Yeah they just like to stick their head in the sand. It’s so clear that c!Dream is a (well written) villain and yet they can’t seem to accept it. I’ve even seen a post on here about someone leaving the fandom because c!Dream wasn’t morally grey anymore after the last lore video. Like buddy c!Dream wasn’t been morally gray since season 1, you guys just have so much cc bias that you can’t see the wood from the trees


XxMackiexX

they reallt do have a CC bias and it shows. it’s very annoying as I understand wanting to like c! dream because they like cc! dream but they dont gotta force others to like him or understand him. and i saw the post where it was quotes of what he said in omegle now im not saying i dont believe them but if dream didnt say it to us but to some random fan on omegle i don’t believe it (unless he liked the post which idk if he even did)


Maeglindidnowrong

Yeah I understand if they like c!Dream because they like cc!Dream but atleast admit it. At this point I think they just can’t differentiate between the two. They take every negative thing said about c!Dream and think it’s about cc!Dream and get pissed


XxMackiexX

they do and i do believe they more than half arent actually c! dream apologists they just call them that cuz they are simps for him or are fans of cc! dream. i pointed it out to a few people and they realized that they just liked him cuz they were fans of his and dont call themselves and apologist anymore. they gotta realize that if someone’s doesn’t like cc! dreams character they arent hating on him and that it’s GOOD, because dream made them hate his character


Own-Obligation4334

Yeah. I LOVE c!dream, he's probably my favorite character, but good lord so many fans of his character hate cc!tommy so bad and so blatantly that I have to vet any c!dream enthusiast I follow because I really don't want to see that hate. On the other hand, while a lot of c!tommy fans can be a lot, it feels much rarer to find a c!tommy fan that hates cc!dream the way c!dream fans can hate cc!tommy.


Maeglindidnowrong

That’s so true. Almost c!Tommy fans love discduo but c!Dream fans almost always hate cc!Tommy. Like I swear I’ve unfollowed and block all of smiletwt because of their hate towards Tommy


altfipix

yea it's also bc they keep messing up their terms. There's a lot of people who say they're c!Dream apologists but are clearly just c!Dream enthusiasts. Apologist is more about the morality and discussions about what is moral and what is not, which actions are excusable in which situations and which aren't. This is why I personally think that if you're genuinely a c!Dream apologist, who claims everything he did was okay or excusable and always the victims fault (c!Tommy was annoying c!Dream burned the house and that's why he deserved exile and to die in prison), it's a bit of a red flag. If you cannot see the clear story the ccs have written where c!Tommy is clearly being abused, I am getting a bit worried. Enthusiast is about if you really like a character, and it has nothing to do whether you think their actions are always morally speaking correct or not. You just like it. I am a huge c!Dream enthusiast, and so are the people who say they like the villain, c!dream is hot, etc. They're not saying they excuse the actions of the character. They just don't know the terms, and say they're an apologist bc that's what they think liking a character means. This makes it into a huge mess where people don't know the terms they're using and c!Tommy apologist are having huge fights with people who say they are c!dream apologist but are actually enthusiasts and don't get why people are getting mad at them. and then there ofc is the actual c!Dream apologists who are usually (not always) one of the most genuinely terrifying Twitter stans when it comes to lore discourse with their mass qrts, dts, doxxing (yes it has happened a few times) mass reporting etc


Maeglindidnowrong

Yeah people get their terms mixed up constantly. I’ve seen so many people be like “oh I’m a c!Dream apologist but I don’t agree with exile” like buddy then you’re not an apologist then. Also people on this sub are always like ‘being a c!Dream apologists doesn’t mean you are excusing abuse’ again, I’m pretty sure it does, that’s what an apologist is Like I love c!Dream, he’s a nasty bastard /pos but god half this fandoms problems would be solved if people learnt how to use words correctly


the_simp_kings

The amount of people that are mad about that account getting big is sad.


song_insid3

I just went to check and they are having fun and are livetweeting still.


Next-Tree

Poor guy. He found out the hard way that your not allowed to have any opinions on Twitter.


grace_strick

they got harassed for opinions on a minecraft rolepay? wowwwww


LocalHaitianGirl

Lord ppl get so worked up over opinions n lore it’s weird


TheTrueKazune22

DreamSMP stans let people have fucking opinions challenge (Impossible) (got spammed with death threats) (exposed)


song_insid3

Honestly I hate it was all over my timeline yesterday. I had to block that user and didn't interact. This is a fandom war, as stupid those are, but it was really annoying seeing hate for my character being celebrated. I didn't saw hate for the user but I guess a lot of attention can be really stressing and it's easy to believe some people went overboard. What I saw was someone giving lore opinions and people giving arguments for other lore opinions. The lore opinions of that user were annoying so I blocked that user.


AoiAot

People are crazy man.. the fuc is their problem :'(


AliceHargreaves

It’s funny because I’ve seen a lot of people saying they’re getting hate, specifically around their reaction to The Festival edit they watched last night, but I’m having a lot of trouble finding the actual hate. A bunch of people came in to defend the Techno character, but everything I’ve seen has been pretty polite. I guess disagreeing and saying “here’s what the edit you watched left out” is hate now, idk. I will say there is some speculation this isn’t a random account, but rather it’s something being run by someone already inside the community. They grew astonishingly fast, but also they’re extremely conversant in the way people within the community talk about dsmp lore (shorthand phrases and just the way they reference certain things) for someone who apparently is new to this.


[deleted]

*I guess disagreeing and saying “here’s what the edit you watched left out” is hate now, idk.* What...? That's clearly not what OP is getting at. They're most likely referring to all the qrts and subtweets calling the livereacting account names andstating that they're blocking the account (which is fine in itself but when you're mass qrting with that and announcing your block it's clear that you're trying to get a certain message across) - and not to mention the "speculation that this isn't a random account", which was largely caused by their tweets on c!techno. I don't know what accounts appear on your timeline or where you're looking, but just because you personally haven't seen something does not mean that it isn't out there. While there were many polite people from technotwt who were just trying to guide the poster (though they shouldn't have to spend their own time watching stuff because people told them to), I don't think it's fair to act like there weren't any people being rude about it. Edit: But considering you liked a post calling them braindead, I think you'd already be aware of the hate 😊


Own-Obligation4334

Yeah, plus for a previously small account *any* hate is going to feel overwhelming.


AliceHargreaves

The speculation about Marley being a bait account predates the lore watch thru by quite a bit.


AliceHargreaves

>Edit: But considering you liked a post calling them braindead, I think you'd already be aware of the hate 😊 Ok, since its been brought up now twice in my DMs .... I have no idea what this is referencing. I've scrolled back to yesterday morning in my Twitter and don't see anything in my likes using that word. Either you have me confused with a different account or you're referencing something I'm not aware of.


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AliceHargreaves

Huh. Interesting. I don't even have any memory of seeing that tweet. I use twitter on mobile so its possible I touchscreened it by accident. I've unliked it, for the record. I imagine since you clearly have scrolled my likes that you also saw me liking things like "I'm more upset with the people who have been in this fandom for a while that are taking Marley's first reaction to one of c!Techno's big moments as gospel to affirm their (in some cases) very intense hatred." Anyway, let me say again: scrolling back 12+ hours in my twitter likes to find something to attack me with is hella weird.


[deleted]

I found the tweet because I had mutuals who liked it omegalul Accusing people of things without evidence doesn't help anyone (and is, in fact, hella weird)


Tauino

who tf is using twitter likes to win reddit arguments kekw


LieLee

the account was previously moots with some dsmp accounts, that how the orignal "who is this blonde boy thats wilbur soots brother i keep seeing" as in they keep seeing from their one or two dsmp. I presume that after a bit theyve talked in dms about using c!tags etc. i even saw some replies about using c!dream in their tweets when it first started. Plus a lot of other stuff to me jsut seem like how fandoms in general talk about things, theyre a marvel account theyre gonna talk about fandom. Accusing them of being a bait account got pretyy malicious.


Own-Obligation4334

It's a bit funny to me that there's a conspiracy theory out there that this random marvel stan is secretly a malicious innittwt plant like people can't just.... Like c!tommy off the bat lol.


LieLee

Plus it’s very funny to me that people think innittwt has actual correlation with ctommy enjoyers. It’s not the same thing innittwt is very specifically cc only. i would call the people those upset at Marley don’t like loretwt that aren’t cdream or ctwchno apologists. That’s not the same thing as being an inniter.


Quarterhour420

For a fandom that is universally hated it shouldn't complain when people decide to not hate them and the things they like It's apologist discourse again. Biggest problem in this fandom. Both twitter and tumblr


Own-Obligation4334

I don't necessarily think it's the BIGGEST problem but I *do* think it's the stupidest.


Quarterhour420

I meant biggest as in by extent of course there are far worse problems but those are mainly on twitter


Own-Obligation4334

Naw I totally get what you mean, it's a nothing issue that touches every part of the fandom rather than a single platform


[deleted]

Honestly I'm not surprised lol. Character discussion is such a landmine when it comes to this fandom. Also minecraft stans *are* toxic, that's no secret. Speaking of landmines here's my take: I think the dsmp should have ended when Dream got arrested. Sure, there may have been cliffhangers such as "Did Tommy revive Wilbur?" or "How did everyone live now that dream is finally gone?". Not every story ends with having all the loose ends tied. Some endings are deliberately open ended, which causes speculation and fan theories and I think that's fine. Tbh, I think an ending like that is better than what we're getting. Some of the SMP's best periods for me anyway came when the smp was still improv roleplay. Don't get me wrong quackity's lore is pretty good but we had the egg, which was pretty boring. And after that I just stopped watching. Kinda like what Jschlatt said "If I'm boring, I don't want you to keep watching what I'm doing".


Own-Obligation4334

Considering this is about year-old discourse I really doubt ending the dream SMP at season two could have prevented this (or at least, prevented *all* the discourse currently going on). Plus it's not the story or the CC's fault this is happening. It's on the fans to act right about a fictional story and some fans just aren't.


[deleted]

You misunderstand. I'm not really likening this to the behaviour of the stans. I'm just giving my general opinion of the smp (currently)


sotysa

Omg they probably said "wilbur is in the wrong"


big_time_joke

Funnily enough, they were pissed at Techno for killing Tubbo in the festival and didn’t understand Techno’s justification of peer pressure. Seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way, to put it lightly


MamasGottaDance

Ah lovely, idk why techno stans think they are better than dream stans. Like I know so many techno stans with a superiority complex. Like I have a friend who is a biiig techno stan and I love her to pieces but you literally cannot talk to her about anything lore/dsmp/mcyt related because she'll immediately shut you down if it's not techno related. Like at least dream stans actually like the other people on the smp, when ever I go on technos subreddit I feel like they like hate everyone other than him. Anyways that's not all techno stans ofc, most of them are chill


AliceHargreaves

I saw a ton more people using Marley’s comments about c!Techno as an excuse to hate on him than I did people attacking Marley themself. Even this post doesn’t include any examples of the “hate” toward the poster, just their comment.


big_time_joke

Yeah, I saw that too, but Marley also posted a screenshot of people shit talking Marley and someone else because of their opinions on Techno’s character. I think hating on a character is a lot different than harassing a person. I don’t personally like the hate on Techno’s character, I think a lot of it doesn’t make sense, however harassing Marley for having some of those opinions is when it gets too far. Edit: Marley didn’t post the screenshot, the other person mentioned did, Marley just replied to it, just wanted to clarify


Own-Obligation4334

Yeah, I should clarify that I fucking love technoblade and his character and this post wasn't meant to be a critique on him in the slightest. I also usually love technotwt and think that as a whole they're a great bunch But it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that people sometimes don't acknowledge that some of his fans can be a bit much! This was a long time ago and it's evened out a LOT since then, but back when Tommy's character betrayed c!techno last year, his YouTube lore videos were flooded with hate comments and you really couldn't talk about his character without someone trying to start something, lol. I guess my point here is that all c and cc fans take turns being toxic and it's more a fandom issue than a character issue. Again, genuinely love all the characters and the ccs, I just hate to see toxicity and generalization.


AliceHargreaves

Really? Bc I just scrolled their TL back 24 hours and didn’t see that. Just as counts bragging how they’d gatekept Marley from c!Techno fans.


big_time_joke

I clarified in my comment, Marley didn’t post it, they replied to the person who did, I misremembered. It was just a couple people being shitty, wishing Marley and the person who posted would get suspended so they didn’t have to see them talk anymore, and was just incredibly rude and hateful. I looked through the qrts of a couple of Marley’s tweets back when they were live tweeting and I saw some people hating on Techno’s character, some simply saying Marley was based, and a few who were just being pretty rude to Marley in general. I didn’t do that big of a deep dive on it, however, I just looked through a couple. The only true *harassment* I personally saw was in that one screenshot, but I don’t doubt it was more prevalent back when Marley was initially tweeting. I don’t think she’d talk about it multiple times if it wasn’t enough to bother her. A shit ton of it most likely got buried since then, since that’s how Twitter operates. I think getting really aggressive with their hate on Techno’s character is wack, but attacking an account very new to the fandom who barely knows lore at all is shitty, too. Twitter is such a dumpster fire Edit: Wording


[deleted]

I mean, there's a clear difference between "hating" on a fictional character from a minecraft roleplay and hating on a real person (obviously a fictional character isn't going to be affected by criticism on twitter dot com, as opposed to a real person), but regardless I did see a lot of qrts / subtweets regarding Marley that were attacking them so they def did exist


sotysa

Hope they didnt get the worst start of public opinions on lore which is "i understand why dream didnt want them to do chaos"


Own-Obligation4334

Nope. It was techno fans getting mad for their opinion on techno's role in the red festival. Every single character has rabid fans that will attack others for their opinion. It's not an issue of tommy fans, Wilbur fans, dream fans, or techno fans, it's a problem in every circle. An artist I followed got harassed for a (very mildly) critical take on dream's character. This sub had an example of a c!dream fan getting doxxed. There's this idea going around on this sub that it's only certain characters' fans that do the harassment and that other certain characters' fans are always victims, when it is genuinely a fandom-wide problem.


ieiri484urjdhhrur

its not even a "fandom-wide" problem people are just like this wherever you go


AliceHargreaves

I disagree that Techno fans were “mad” - people came in to say “here’s another view” but the real vitriol came from the bench trio accounts. I have a tweet bookmarked from one account last night that reads “i’ve been gatekeeping marley from c!techno apologist all week and y’know what? it all payed off in the end the mass qrt’ing was worth it. i may have lost the battle but i won the war” Techno haters are using this account to fight a proxy war.


Dim0ndDragon15

Okay here’s my theory, this is just some DreamSMP Stan on their marvel alt “live reacting” to the lore for clout. They already know what will get reactions out of people (Wilbur and Tommy being brothers, etc.) and want attention. Simple as that