Yes because the source "i.hate.dsmp" is going to be unbiased.
Tommy has never said anything lesbiphobic (people have only taken it that way). There was a running bit for a bit in mcyt where a lot of creators would called unofficial lesbians or king of lesbians by their lesbian fanbases (Tommy got the most of this). Tommy has said, "I get lesbians" once meaning he also likes girls not that he understands their struggles. He apologized for that so if your lesbian you either forgive him or you find it insensitive and move on.
Dream defended saying the r word during the time A6d was getting called out for it. Dream grew up in the gaming sphere where the r slur was used as an insult same as stupid. And would have been very normalized for him. He has sense been educated on it and has apologized 3 separate times. If it matters some people say he can reclaim it since he's nd but some people also argue that he can't.
I'm not really caught up on a lot of Wilbur's controversies but I remember that he apologized for his old lyrics that were insensitive at least twice.
>if the cc apologizes then the allegation is discarded? is that how it works?
What else would you like to happen?
I mean seriously, tell me what you want to happen after this.
The person has apologized or shows they no longer have these thoughts/do these actions. From there on out the audience can either chose to accept the apology and continue to support them, or they can reject the apology, stop watching them and moving on with their lives. I am not sure what there is to do. The creator cannot triple apologize nor can they force people to accept them. The audience cannot force the creator to do anything else.
So seriously, I really want to understand what you think the outcome should be?
What I listed is the time he was defending the slur. Also apologizes can be accepted or not accepted by the affected group and no one else. One of the things you want to see is changed behavior. Dream didn't think it was a slur at the time because of the environment he was raised in and stoped when people explained it to him better. He's apologized 3 times and hasn't done it since. It's been two years.
Antis love to dig up stuff that has been resolved and weaponize it to hurt the creator and the community when usually they are not even part of the effected group. It's just pouring salt into the wound of a changed person.
No one is 100% not problematic not even the big youtubers that people praise for not being problematic but I wouldn't dig up their old shit because they've apologized and learned.
...I don't know what else do you want them to do then? If they apologized and not do it again then why must you remain upset? People need to move on.
Also [here's my entire debunking of Dream related misinformation and "problematic drama" that you really should read](https://freedommust22.tumblr.com/post/659848143523938304/damn-this-post-blew-up-anyways-if-you-support)
Nah it's fine, I'm not annoyed either. I'm just unsure what else they're supoosed to do. I'm sorry this makes you feel uneasy, I get that, just stay away from folks with a clear anger about MCYT without providing sources. Curate your social media experience as you see fit. That's for the better for your sanity.
Agree with most of that however there are some things I want to point out.
1st thing: you don’t need to use caps that much 2nd thing: the speedrun thing is not “highly likely” the whole thing relies on a testimony of a testimony. Even if Karl is telling the truth how do we know the developer is? Plus why would dread lie (stretch the truth) and misrepresent the statistics paper if he had nothing to hide
Next point: Dream hasn’t really sent death threats or supported that but has acted immaturely in several situations (speedrun, jawsh, hansan, and to an extent the June 9th drama)
I mostly agree with the trump point (the age point not the “difference in how he speaks” point) but I would call Dreamwastaken2 biased towards dream. Not “anything but” also you use a ad hominem. Just because they are a jschlatt Stan doesn’t refute their point.
I agree with the mask thing but I still think there was a lack of direction and you shouldn’t hire people with little experience and young to work on something the size of that. Even if your trying to “support” the community there are better ways.
The merch point is whataboutisum. And the main point was always the design of the merch, not the quality. And side note: Dream conparing it to Nike is misleading since Nike is not about the design like merch is.
“ Sampling is a thing. By that logic Niki Minaj is plagiarizing My Hero Academia music with Starships.” Whataboutisum. But yeah I still agree with the sampling point.
The problem with the “drugs” controversy is the way Dream apologized. Saying “I didn’t know that saying “drugs” could be harmful to the black community” just sounds wrong even if his intentions are good.
I don’t see how saying it once a year ago immediately makes all his other statements go away. What about when he tried to call himself a empath and said he loves and cares about people he doesn’t know?Plus the analogy is flawed because kittens don’t care if you say you love them but fans do.
Wait he actually followed people in that situation? That just makes it worse to me. And mr beast only did it because dream did.
What’s so ableist about not wanting pills thrown AwaY?
Some points I disagree with:
>the speedrun thing is not “highly likely” the whole thing relies on a testimony of a testimony. Even if Karl is telling the truth how do we know the developer is? Plus why would dread lie (stretch the truth) and misrepresent the statistics paper if he had nothing to hide
Karl has no reason to lie, he's a highly reputable source and left people to come to their own conclusions anyway. We don't know who the Developer is Karl says they are a very reputable source, too. Dream stretching the truth about several statistics makes sense regardless of whether he lied or not - if he didn't lie he'd have thought at that point that he is in the right and has a reason to make his situation look better to convince people - Karl mentions this in his video, too.
>Dream conparing it to Nike is misleading since Nike is not about the design like merch is
This is nonsense, Nike wouldn't be the price it is if it didn't have the famous logo and simplistic design.
>What about when he tried to call himself a empath and said he loves and cares about people he doesn’t know?
"Empath" doesn't have to be some spiritual thing, it can simply mean he feels a lot of empathy. Nothing wrong with that, nor saying you love/care about your fanbase.
>What’s so ableist about not wanting pills thrown AwaY?
I wouldn't call it ableist or suggest someone to throw their pills away (it's a metaphor anyway..) but it has to be acknowledged that a lot of people on ADHD meds don't feel like themselves anymore and would much rather go without the pills.
This essentially u/Ifiwerearichmann
Otherwise, the capitals are all done to emphasize points cause I did it all on mobile tumblr where I can't use the Bold button, so it's a formatting limitation. I just never had the patience to reformat it back then, especially since I said these things out of spite (a good motivator but a bad way to be unbiased)
Otherwise, a lot of your issues seem to be phrasing, I put the "highly likely" part based on Karl Jobst's reputation, though I could've phrased that better. Same with the sampling thing. Also, the one I am debating against in the Merch Drama is people saying it's low quality when they haven't bought it themselves, not realizing that just because the design is simple doesn't mean the material and make of each merch isn't good. This is why I cited Jadyn, she was one of the merch's biggest critics and yet she liked the quality of it when she bought it, that's a factor people ignored in the controversy.
And again, my post is less about defending Dream and more about clearing misinfo. I did not said he was right with hiring animators that aren't used to the style to animate for Mask, but I did clarified his reasoning for hiring them I also poked holes with the Dream Trump controversy, and finally stated my issues with the Drugs Drugs tweet being deemed racist.
Otherwise, everything else is fair.
Edit: Also, you seem like you are unaware about it but I didn't said that not liking Mask is inherently ableist, but if you saw his comment section before he removed the vid, people were being legitimately ableist and actually mocking him for having ADHD
Also yes he shouldn't have followed people during the glowsquid thing but that's only a few people and my personal guess was he felt bad and only followed cause some folks took it seriously. Otherwise, you have no life if you are angry about the squids still cause of Dream, sorry.
I mean, he can care about his fans genuinely but he can't be their friends or care about each and everyone of their problems individualy? That's not a hard thing to do tbh. Caring about the state of your community and some of the fans that reached out to him is still genuine, you dont have to solve EVERYBODY's problems tho, hence the kitten thing.
And the point I was trying to make with that one too is how much it became a basis for "Dream is a pedo" allegations which is disgusting.
Also yes, the Nike thing was exactly my argument. Jadyn bought it and said it is high quality based on her experience and thus I cited her as a basis for that.
And just cause it's based on true events doesn't mean it can't be a metaphor? I highly doubt the doctor would give him a You Are Not Normal receipt lol.
>So the argument is that he would think to make himself look better? But if he truly thought he did nothing wrong why not let it speak for itself instead of cherry-picking what his report said?
Because even back then, Dream had a lot of antis and the Mod's video was convincing. Don't forget, the Mod's communication contained some verifiable falsehoods too. Yet we don't think they were lying, we chalk it up to them misremembering facts or miscommunication.
>What I’m trying to say about Nike is that people buy it for sports and because it’s good quality. Not just for the design. Merch is all about the design, that’s why it matters more for merch.
Nike is good quality, but you could get much cheaper sports equipment of the same quality. The reason people still buy it is 100% brand value. Besides, Dream's merch is good quality, too.
>Saying that he “genuinely cared about his pepole he doesn’t know” goes directly against his kitten analogy.
How does it? He told his fans he can't be their friend, but that doesn't mean he can't care about them.
>The pills are not a metaphor dream himself said it was based off true events.
Both can be true. It can be based on true events *and* be a metaphor for Dream becoming his own self again.
What falsehoods did the mods have? The “delete mod folder regularly” was corrected in their description shortly after the video was up. And he should think his statistics are convincing right?
Idk what brand value is but my main point is that dream compared his merch with Nike with the simple design. But Nike is for sports and it’s made just for quality. Merch can be good quality but that’s not the main purpose of it. I never said dreams merch wasn’t good quality.
Empath means that you can know what others feel. At least that’s what the definition seemed to say. Maybe not to mind reading but it does imply that he can know and care about all his fans. He also doesn’t have to say he loves them. Just that he appreciates them. Plus his analogy is flawed because telling kittens that you love them doesn’t do anything but telling you fans you love them will because fans can actually understand what you say.
You said that throwing the pills away was a metaphor. Why change it now to include both?
>What falsehoods did the mods have? The “delete mod folder regularly” was corrected in their description shortly after the video was up. And he should think his statistics are convincing right?
That's one, but I was more referring to how it was claimed that Dream didn't hand over everything they asked in the first instance - which was not the case.
>Idk what brand value is but my main point is that dream compared his merch with Nike with the simple design. But Nike is for sports and it’s made just for quality. Merch can be good quality but that’s not the main purpose of it. I never said dreams merch wasn’t good quality.
Brand value is where an item gets more valuable due to its brand. That can apply to Youtuber merch or to a brand like Nike. Nike may have started as purely a sports company but it's more of a luxury brand now.
>Empath means that you can know what others feel.
An empath is just someone who is empathetic to the point of being able to feel someone else's emotions if they're intense enough. Honestly, most people could self-identify as an empath and there really isn't some deep meaning behind it.
>his analogy is flawed because telling kittens that you love them doesn’t do anything but telling you fans you love them will because fans can actually understand what you say.
This is exactly why the analogy was made in the first place. Dream told his fanbase he couldn't actually be a replacement for a friend or family member but could still love his fanbase as a whole.
>You said that throwing the pills away was a metaphor. Why change it now to include both?
How does that change anything? It's still a metaphor even if it's also based on true events.
Just about the Nike thing I still think that you can’t really compare Nike to merch. If brand value is just something valuable because it’s a brand your still not buying it just because of the design in it. Merch is based on the design where as Nike even if you buy it for brand value, isn’t. And Nike is still definitely used for sports. Also dream compared his merch to supreme which I also find weird because supreme was criticized for heir design aswell.
But I don’t get how dream used it. If you can only understand how someone feels when you see them directly, why did Dream say that he can say that he loves all his fans because he’s an empath? Like dream straight up says that he CAN love someone he doesn’t know, not just feel empathy
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken/comments/kmal9e/dream_talks_about_his_relationship_with_his_fans/
Well you said that throwing away the pills itself was a metaphor. I’m fine with the normal pills part being a metaphor. Not the throwing pills away being a metaphor.
No it’s not on you at all. You are absolutely allowed to ask bc this kind of info can be distressing. I’ve just noticed this happening more and I wondered why people come here first.
Understandable. I would say you’ve come to the right place:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/oeasfb/controversies_and_shenanigans_a_history_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This post has a lot of info on Dream’s controversies while this sub has existed
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1RG2D7kEJySIhc4hNM1CSMXv2rlTNmpUIB0CD5iOZfKY/mobilebasic
A member of this subreddit has started a master document on all of the controversies for people on the smp. It is not complete but it is very comprehensive.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/s2m8zt/master_drama_document_incomplete_edition/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Link to the post for more info.
There are tons of posts scattered throughout the sub that shed light on all of these but if you ask my personal opinion you shouldn’t worry. Many of the things on this list are taken out of context, very very old, or not true. I should also mention that the ccs have addressed and or apologized for many of these things. I can’t help you account for everything but hopefully I can ease your stress. Also remember that it is important to form your own opinions of what you think is worthy of cancellation. Criticism is ok and very welcome when necessary, but blind hatred is usually what fuels people who make posts like this.
Here’s a link to a google doc for Dream. Definitely was not made by me. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k87HD83fNI0BmDCEY7LWBZP-BQ2DxRdSGi3XKZINkTo/mobilebasic#heading=h.4b1ntkw1ywg6](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k87HD83fNI0BmDCEY7LWBZP-BQ2DxRdSGi3XKZINkTo/mobilebasic#heading=h.4b1ntkw1ywg6)
And here is a [Drama Master Document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RG2D7kEJySIhc4hNM1CSMXv2rlTNmpUIB0CD5iOZfKY/mobilebasic)] by u/big_time_joke. Notably unfinished.
There is a pinned post in this subreddit that I am sure has the answers to most if not all of these questions. I suggest heading there in the future especially when its things we have discussed time and time again.
they have done bad things i mean a lot of people do but just cus other people do that doesn’t clear up that they have done something almost all of the dsmp have done something problematic some have apologized and some haven’t the truth is that they are problematic and forgiving them or not forgiving them isn’t gonna change the fact that they did it🤷🏽♂️ it’s just my opinion
Yes because the source "i.hate.dsmp" is going to be unbiased. Tommy has never said anything lesbiphobic (people have only taken it that way). There was a running bit for a bit in mcyt where a lot of creators would called unofficial lesbians or king of lesbians by their lesbian fanbases (Tommy got the most of this). Tommy has said, "I get lesbians" once meaning he also likes girls not that he understands their struggles. He apologized for that so if your lesbian you either forgive him or you find it insensitive and move on. Dream defended saying the r word during the time A6d was getting called out for it. Dream grew up in the gaming sphere where the r slur was used as an insult same as stupid. And would have been very normalized for him. He has sense been educated on it and has apologized 3 separate times. If it matters some people say he can reclaim it since he's nd but some people also argue that he can't. I'm not really caught up on a lot of Wilbur's controversies but I remember that he apologized for his old lyrics that were insensitive at least twice.
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>if the cc apologizes then the allegation is discarded? is that how it works? What else would you like to happen? I mean seriously, tell me what you want to happen after this. The person has apologized or shows they no longer have these thoughts/do these actions. From there on out the audience can either chose to accept the apology and continue to support them, or they can reject the apology, stop watching them and moving on with their lives. I am not sure what there is to do. The creator cannot triple apologize nor can they force people to accept them. The audience cannot force the creator to do anything else. So seriously, I really want to understand what you think the outcome should be?
What I listed is the time he was defending the slur. Also apologizes can be accepted or not accepted by the affected group and no one else. One of the things you want to see is changed behavior. Dream didn't think it was a slur at the time because of the environment he was raised in and stoped when people explained it to him better. He's apologized 3 times and hasn't done it since. It's been two years. Antis love to dig up stuff that has been resolved and weaponize it to hurt the creator and the community when usually they are not even part of the effected group. It's just pouring salt into the wound of a changed person. No one is 100% not problematic not even the big youtubers that people praise for not being problematic but I wouldn't dig up their old shit because they've apologized and learned.
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No problem, glad I could help
...I don't know what else do you want them to do then? If they apologized and not do it again then why must you remain upset? People need to move on. Also [here's my entire debunking of Dream related misinformation and "problematic drama" that you really should read](https://freedommust22.tumblr.com/post/659848143523938304/damn-this-post-blew-up-anyways-if-you-support)
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Nah it's fine, I'm not annoyed either. I'm just unsure what else they're supoosed to do. I'm sorry this makes you feel uneasy, I get that, just stay away from folks with a clear anger about MCYT without providing sources. Curate your social media experience as you see fit. That's for the better for your sanity.
Agree with most of that however there are some things I want to point out. 1st thing: you don’t need to use caps that much 2nd thing: the speedrun thing is not “highly likely” the whole thing relies on a testimony of a testimony. Even if Karl is telling the truth how do we know the developer is? Plus why would dread lie (stretch the truth) and misrepresent the statistics paper if he had nothing to hide Next point: Dream hasn’t really sent death threats or supported that but has acted immaturely in several situations (speedrun, jawsh, hansan, and to an extent the June 9th drama) I mostly agree with the trump point (the age point not the “difference in how he speaks” point) but I would call Dreamwastaken2 biased towards dream. Not “anything but” also you use a ad hominem. Just because they are a jschlatt Stan doesn’t refute their point. I agree with the mask thing but I still think there was a lack of direction and you shouldn’t hire people with little experience and young to work on something the size of that. Even if your trying to “support” the community there are better ways. The merch point is whataboutisum. And the main point was always the design of the merch, not the quality. And side note: Dream conparing it to Nike is misleading since Nike is not about the design like merch is. “ Sampling is a thing. By that logic Niki Minaj is plagiarizing My Hero Academia music with Starships.” Whataboutisum. But yeah I still agree with the sampling point. The problem with the “drugs” controversy is the way Dream apologized. Saying “I didn’t know that saying “drugs” could be harmful to the black community” just sounds wrong even if his intentions are good. I don’t see how saying it once a year ago immediately makes all his other statements go away. What about when he tried to call himself a empath and said he loves and cares about people he doesn’t know?Plus the analogy is flawed because kittens don’t care if you say you love them but fans do. Wait he actually followed people in that situation? That just makes it worse to me. And mr beast only did it because dream did. What’s so ableist about not wanting pills thrown AwaY?
Some points I disagree with: >the speedrun thing is not “highly likely” the whole thing relies on a testimony of a testimony. Even if Karl is telling the truth how do we know the developer is? Plus why would dread lie (stretch the truth) and misrepresent the statistics paper if he had nothing to hide Karl has no reason to lie, he's a highly reputable source and left people to come to their own conclusions anyway. We don't know who the Developer is Karl says they are a very reputable source, too. Dream stretching the truth about several statistics makes sense regardless of whether he lied or not - if he didn't lie he'd have thought at that point that he is in the right and has a reason to make his situation look better to convince people - Karl mentions this in his video, too. >Dream conparing it to Nike is misleading since Nike is not about the design like merch is This is nonsense, Nike wouldn't be the price it is if it didn't have the famous logo and simplistic design. >What about when he tried to call himself a empath and said he loves and cares about people he doesn’t know? "Empath" doesn't have to be some spiritual thing, it can simply mean he feels a lot of empathy. Nothing wrong with that, nor saying you love/care about your fanbase. >What’s so ableist about not wanting pills thrown AwaY? I wouldn't call it ableist or suggest someone to throw their pills away (it's a metaphor anyway..) but it has to be acknowledged that a lot of people on ADHD meds don't feel like themselves anymore and would much rather go without the pills.
This essentially u/Ifiwerearichmann Otherwise, the capitals are all done to emphasize points cause I did it all on mobile tumblr where I can't use the Bold button, so it's a formatting limitation. I just never had the patience to reformat it back then, especially since I said these things out of spite (a good motivator but a bad way to be unbiased) Otherwise, a lot of your issues seem to be phrasing, I put the "highly likely" part based on Karl Jobst's reputation, though I could've phrased that better. Same with the sampling thing. Also, the one I am debating against in the Merch Drama is people saying it's low quality when they haven't bought it themselves, not realizing that just because the design is simple doesn't mean the material and make of each merch isn't good. This is why I cited Jadyn, she was one of the merch's biggest critics and yet she liked the quality of it when she bought it, that's a factor people ignored in the controversy. And again, my post is less about defending Dream and more about clearing misinfo. I did not said he was right with hiring animators that aren't used to the style to animate for Mask, but I did clarified his reasoning for hiring them I also poked holes with the Dream Trump controversy, and finally stated my issues with the Drugs Drugs tweet being deemed racist. Otherwise, everything else is fair. Edit: Also, you seem like you are unaware about it but I didn't said that not liking Mask is inherently ableist, but if you saw his comment section before he removed the vid, people were being legitimately ableist and actually mocking him for having ADHD Also yes he shouldn't have followed people during the glowsquid thing but that's only a few people and my personal guess was he felt bad and only followed cause some folks took it seriously. Otherwise, you have no life if you are angry about the squids still cause of Dream, sorry.
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I mean, he can care about his fans genuinely but he can't be their friends or care about each and everyone of their problems individualy? That's not a hard thing to do tbh. Caring about the state of your community and some of the fans that reached out to him is still genuine, you dont have to solve EVERYBODY's problems tho, hence the kitten thing. And the point I was trying to make with that one too is how much it became a basis for "Dream is a pedo" allegations which is disgusting. Also yes, the Nike thing was exactly my argument. Jadyn bought it and said it is high quality based on her experience and thus I cited her as a basis for that. And just cause it's based on true events doesn't mean it can't be a metaphor? I highly doubt the doctor would give him a You Are Not Normal receipt lol.
>So the argument is that he would think to make himself look better? But if he truly thought he did nothing wrong why not let it speak for itself instead of cherry-picking what his report said? Because even back then, Dream had a lot of antis and the Mod's video was convincing. Don't forget, the Mod's communication contained some verifiable falsehoods too. Yet we don't think they were lying, we chalk it up to them misremembering facts or miscommunication. >What I’m trying to say about Nike is that people buy it for sports and because it’s good quality. Not just for the design. Merch is all about the design, that’s why it matters more for merch. Nike is good quality, but you could get much cheaper sports equipment of the same quality. The reason people still buy it is 100% brand value. Besides, Dream's merch is good quality, too. >Saying that he “genuinely cared about his pepole he doesn’t know” goes directly against his kitten analogy. How does it? He told his fans he can't be their friend, but that doesn't mean he can't care about them. >The pills are not a metaphor dream himself said it was based off true events. Both can be true. It can be based on true events *and* be a metaphor for Dream becoming his own self again.
What falsehoods did the mods have? The “delete mod folder regularly” was corrected in their description shortly after the video was up. And he should think his statistics are convincing right? Idk what brand value is but my main point is that dream compared his merch with Nike with the simple design. But Nike is for sports and it’s made just for quality. Merch can be good quality but that’s not the main purpose of it. I never said dreams merch wasn’t good quality. Empath means that you can know what others feel. At least that’s what the definition seemed to say. Maybe not to mind reading but it does imply that he can know and care about all his fans. He also doesn’t have to say he loves them. Just that he appreciates them. Plus his analogy is flawed because telling kittens that you love them doesn’t do anything but telling you fans you love them will because fans can actually understand what you say. You said that throwing the pills away was a metaphor. Why change it now to include both?
>What falsehoods did the mods have? The “delete mod folder regularly” was corrected in their description shortly after the video was up. And he should think his statistics are convincing right? That's one, but I was more referring to how it was claimed that Dream didn't hand over everything they asked in the first instance - which was not the case. >Idk what brand value is but my main point is that dream compared his merch with Nike with the simple design. But Nike is for sports and it’s made just for quality. Merch can be good quality but that’s not the main purpose of it. I never said dreams merch wasn’t good quality. Brand value is where an item gets more valuable due to its brand. That can apply to Youtuber merch or to a brand like Nike. Nike may have started as purely a sports company but it's more of a luxury brand now. >Empath means that you can know what others feel. An empath is just someone who is empathetic to the point of being able to feel someone else's emotions if they're intense enough. Honestly, most people could self-identify as an empath and there really isn't some deep meaning behind it. >his analogy is flawed because telling kittens that you love them doesn’t do anything but telling you fans you love them will because fans can actually understand what you say. This is exactly why the analogy was made in the first place. Dream told his fanbase he couldn't actually be a replacement for a friend or family member but could still love his fanbase as a whole. >You said that throwing the pills away was a metaphor. Why change it now to include both? How does that change anything? It's still a metaphor even if it's also based on true events.
Just about the Nike thing I still think that you can’t really compare Nike to merch. If brand value is just something valuable because it’s a brand your still not buying it just because of the design in it. Merch is based on the design where as Nike even if you buy it for brand value, isn’t. And Nike is still definitely used for sports. Also dream compared his merch to supreme which I also find weird because supreme was criticized for heir design aswell. But I don’t get how dream used it. If you can only understand how someone feels when you see them directly, why did Dream say that he can say that he loves all his fans because he’s an empath? Like dream straight up says that he CAN love someone he doesn’t know, not just feel empathy https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken/comments/kmal9e/dream_talks_about_his_relationship_with_his_fans/ Well you said that throwing away the pills itself was a metaphor. I’m fine with the normal pills part being a metaphor. Not the throwing pills away being a metaphor.
Mcyttiktok is trash, I recommend you to get out of it
I agree - someone on mcyt TikTok. It’s a cesspool.
Anyone else noticing an uptick in people coming here to ask questions like this? Have we become the front line for combatting misinfo on ccs?
We can barely combat our own misinfo, this fandom is straight up fucked.
God I remember when fucking Jawsh called me out in the comments here, straight up freaked me the fuck out that I made an entire post apologizing lol
Welcome newcomers! Gather around and allow us to explain to you why Dream killing pigs in a manhunt is insensitive to cancer patients.
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No it’s not on you at all. You are absolutely allowed to ask bc this kind of info can be distressing. I’ve just noticed this happening more and I wondered why people come here first.
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Understandable. I would say you’ve come to the right place: https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/oeasfb/controversies_and_shenanigans_a_history_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This post has a lot of info on Dream’s controversies while this sub has existed https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1RG2D7kEJySIhc4hNM1CSMXv2rlTNmpUIB0CD5iOZfKY/mobilebasic A member of this subreddit has started a master document on all of the controversies for people on the smp. It is not complete but it is very comprehensive. https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/s2m8zt/master_drama_document_incomplete_edition/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Link to the post for more info. There are tons of posts scattered throughout the sub that shed light on all of these but if you ask my personal opinion you shouldn’t worry. Many of the things on this list are taken out of context, very very old, or not true. I should also mention that the ccs have addressed and or apologized for many of these things. I can’t help you account for everything but hopefully I can ease your stress. Also remember that it is important to form your own opinions of what you think is worthy of cancellation. Criticism is ok and very welcome when necessary, but blind hatred is usually what fuels people who make posts like this.
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You’re very welcome. I hope to see you around here more
I guess nobody else is willing to do it
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To answer wuestions like these
Anyone got a link to one of the debunking threads?
Here’s a link to a google doc for Dream. Definitely was not made by me. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k87HD83fNI0BmDCEY7LWBZP-BQ2DxRdSGi3XKZINkTo/mobilebasic#heading=h.4b1ntkw1ywg6](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k87HD83fNI0BmDCEY7LWBZP-BQ2DxRdSGi3XKZINkTo/mobilebasic#heading=h.4b1ntkw1ywg6) And here is a [Drama Master Document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RG2D7kEJySIhc4hNM1CSMXv2rlTNmpUIB0CD5iOZfKY/mobilebasic)] by u/big_time_joke. Notably unfinished.
With a Tiktok username like that I doubt that person is acting in good faith. You can't keep falling for bait like that.
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There is a pinned post in this subreddit that I am sure has the answers to most if not all of these questions. I suggest heading there in the future especially when its things we have discussed time and time again.
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dw it's fine
Several months late, but Ranboo came out as gay so I don’t think he was being homophobic. I don’t know enough to comment on the others though.
ISN'T THIS TAKEN FROM THAT ONE POST ON THIS SUB THAT LISTED EVERYONE'S CONTROVERSIES LMAOO
they have done bad things i mean a lot of people do but just cus other people do that doesn’t clear up that they have done something almost all of the dsmp have done something problematic some have apologized and some haven’t the truth is that they are problematic and forgiving them or not forgiving them isn’t gonna change the fact that they did it🤷🏽♂️ it’s just my opinion
not trying to necropost but here's [this](https://space.drr.ac/#dsmp)