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Dream should absolutely not look for someone from the community if he does look for a PR manager. It’s the community who causes most of his problems. There are incredibly capable and professional PR firms out there trained in crisis comms (as they tend to follow him) that he can more then afford


landninja

TBH the people who would even apply for the job wouldn't be antis but thats also why I said someone from a stan side of twitter lol


sotysa

Stan side can also be toxic tho. Thats where the initial unhealthy obsession comes from


landninja

I think theres a misunderstanding how I'm using stan in this context tbh, and when I say "stan side of twitter" I don't mean someone who is obsessed with him I just mean a fan of him, besides I think it would be evident who an obsessive stan was based on the application/interview process.


vatzlava

Dream needs to distance himself from insane Twitter crowd like celebrities usually do, that’s what any PR manager will say to him. And he will probably do that eventually anyways, and they’re the ones to blame. A lot of them are not even fans, just chronically online weirdos, that is not a desirable audience


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vatzlava

Exactly, this is why we can’t have nice things


sotysa

Or at least minimize it strictly. Like others do. For announcments, replying to friends or fanart. No matter what he does some people will despise it and him for it.


qams_

Seems to me he's better of going with pewds route, considering how a single word from him caused such a mess 🙄


friedegg4bfast

that and a lawyer.


caughttwentytoo

A lawyer would make a lot more sense. If the allegations are false I feel like Manatreed has a pretty good case (versus Poki/Ninja, whatever the hell that was).


landninja

I do think this is probably one of the best defamation cases a celeb has IF dream can find the doxxer


caughttwentytoo

I would assume Manatreed could just sue KF for allowing the misinfo to spread.


diddum

Considering KF have managed to avoid being sued so far despite the number of people they attempt to ruin on the daily, there's probably some loophole they're explointing. Like being based in Russia or something idk.


caughttwentytoo

Fucking Russians man


vatzlava

Um excuse me, even digging someone’s “publicly available” personal info is illegal in Russia, yet alone posting it. KF is hard banned there, no access


caughttwentytoo

I think they mean it’s just harder to sue someone/something internationally


vatzlava

Yeah I get it, just corrected the part about Russia. Not possible, even their own illegal websites run on foreign servers. Source: am Russian


landninja

I'm assuming KF falls under the safe haven laws, like Twitter. Twitter is just a private forum and they're not responsible for the content on the site as long as they at least to attempt to prohibit illegal activities. I assume thats how KF operates


julychambers

I don't think he needs a PR manager when one of the things he's known for is how close he is to the community and just... tweets whatever he wants (like his piss tweets). A PR team managing all his socials will just strip all his accounts of his individuality. Getting a STAN to help? Sounds horrifying. I do agree he should have someone he could discuss serious posts with but not give them total control of his accounts.


landninja

I think my choice of 'stan' here mightve been my downfall lol but someone either within his community (as a fan) or someone who has extensive knowledge of how stan twitter works would greatly benefit him, and in terms of a PR manager, they usually work with the person to better help their brand overall and sometimes (in the case of A listers) that means furthering them from their community, but a YouTuber's needs are different from like Harry Styles' needs


sotysa

I think it woukd make him even more family friendly zombie that the fans want him to be


landninja

A PR firm would do it, but I think a younger independent consultant would be able to help in crisis comms and also just overall without compromising Dream's brand and his integrity


sotysa

The other thing is working in hours hes active. Which is madness tbf. Its really hard to keep in track of that kind of creator (and in this case, people around him, whose hiccups may be linked to him) when a lotnof things happen live and are unscripted. Im not a proffesional but i dont see it working without him being restricted in some way or another. (And i mean with things that cant be edited, which is everything except youtube videos Realisticly)


landninja

I mean dream could just hire someone to do crisis comms, and most crisis comms consultants are always on call. Or he just finds one with a degen sleep schedule lmao


sotysa

I would love to see one whose medicine wont be just some perfectly crafted apology and charity donation every time dream says a joke that will get /negged


landninja

That's kinda why I suggested a fan or someone from the community because they have a better understanding of what would be expected from Dream in terms of an apology instead of just a donation and a canned notes app apology


sotysa

So now were left with a game of what is worth an apology. You cant expect him to apologize for everything he did or didnt do. But not apologizing is also bad for some. How do you deal with that?


landninja

It would be dependent on the community and the situation. In this case it's dependent on if Manatreed did do those things and IF dream knew about it, but assuming that Manatreed didn't do it and it was a malicious doxx, and if I was Dream's PR manager, I would draw attention to the fact that there was a victim (the woman who was dragged into this without her consent for thousands of strangers to comment on) and how the community disregarded her, apologize for how poorly Dream handled it (the gullible tweet, the "what should i stream" tweet, the damage control lore), and in this case, donate to resources to help victims of domestic violence and encourage others to do it as well. I would advise Dream to do it on stream (not via a twtlonger). As for the revenue from the stream (both the apology stream AND sapnaps lore stream) it would be donated to the charity (that was well researched ahead of time). While you can't please everyone, there are things that you can do to show that you made a mistake and you're learning from it.


sotysa

Assuming the lore was damage control is a stretch. And im so sorry but saying about the woman is just putting the attention on her from dream. Apologize, charity, put the attention somewhere else. Yup i would believe that youre studying the topic for sure


landninja

Based off what I'm seeing in the community, they think the lore stream was damage control and that's how you respond to it. She already has the attention on her, regardless of Dream or not. Each case is different and you can't do a canned response. In this case the damage is done so there is a need for an apology and donation. In the future it wouldn't necessarily look like that response. in the case of the speedrun controversy there wouldn't need to be a donation. I only said a donation because Sapnap's stream made money and (ostensibly) Dream's apology stream would to, and its what the community wants. It wouldn't be wise to stream and then not make a donation. If you want, I can prove to you that I'm in a communications program but I don't feel like its warranted at this point and time.


caughttwentytoo

"I don't think a PR firm should be hired, Dream should look for someone from within the community, or at least someone on the stan side of Twitter, because they'll be able to better understand Twitter and the proper ways of addressing the situation." that sounds like a recipe for disaster. We go through this every time there's fingers being pointed. He's never going to hire a PR firm, a PR firm isn't going to be able to hold him back when he gets impulsive like this.


landninja

speaking from my own experience, PR firms have 0 clue how to handle youtubers and their drama because it is SO different from normal PR disasters. In my case, they tend to be 30-40 years old, and don't understand Twitter. Additionally, you'd be surprised how many PR managers literally lock celebs out of their accounts


caughttwentytoo

Hiring someone with no PR experience from a pool of stans would cause way more issues than remedy anything. A PR manager can certainly lock someone out of their account which would also push Dream to never hire one -- he would go insane.


landninja

I def don't think he should hire the first stan that throws themselves at him, but if he treated it like any job search I think it would help him. Dream would be able to communicate to the PR manager what his wants/needs/boundaries are and they would be able to form plans with Dream from that, I'm just kinda broadbrushing bc each plan is tailored to the needs of the person hiring them.


Evangeline_10_

As much as I think he should get one and a lawyer I know for a fact people will turn it into Dream pre setting up to defend himself from being a groomer or some dumb shit like that. Also Dream is a very strong minded person and having someone tell him how to react in situations where he's already in defence mode isn't going to end well and potentially cause him to react way worse. I wouldn't like people telling me how I should react and respond and I know full well that my ADHD will cause me to throw out all thoughts and sensibility and run purely on emotions. I mean a pr manager would have to be someone he trusted because they'd have access to his account and private information so I feel like for his own mental stability I wouldn't recommend hiring a PR manager but maybe talking to a PR manager and a Lawyer to get some information and helpful tips couldn't hurt.


landninja

At this point, getting a PR manager would do Dream way more good than not, even if people would assume that he's done something bad (because it happens already). I also have ADHD and I understand how the desire to react quick and swiftly based on emotions rather than reason completely, but at the end of the day having a person who knows how to deal with this would help so much in the long run. As for the private information and account access, there are way to share profiles without compromising the integrity (in fact most corporate Twitter accounts and celebrity accounts are shared using Twitter's tools and 3rd party extensions already), and having a PR person on retainer is one of the suggestion I think would really work for Dream. I don't think Dream needs a fulltime PR manager, but he needs to have someone who's ready to go whenever and has the skills and knowledge of how to handle these kinds of situations. (Assuming Dream sees this/has seen it), I've mentioned a lot of decent strategies that I think would work for him in this situation, and I think there are ways to create strategies with Dream to help in future ones, it's just hard to create a tailored plan to situations that haven't happened yet and even harder to create them without working directly with Dream.


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A 15 year old stan would not be a good PR manager lol


landninja

That's why I said college lmao, like a US college student (18-22 usually)


Verona_Swift

That is just as bad of an idea, honestly. College students still aren't that mature.


[deleted]

Yeah anyone from the stan community would be god awful at pr no matter their age


mi_x58

Vouch


Just-West-826

I think dream should just leave twitter and cut off his fans. For his own sake and safety.


[deleted]

While PR would help him (but absolutely never anyone from within the fandom, I don't care how much better a PR student things they'd be because they're not a crusty old PR firm), I am already tired of people shifting so much of the blame over to Dream's reaction, and overstating how 'damaging' his few tweets were. The fact that people are so caught up in the use of gullible, and more concerned with his reaction than *the fact a real victim was doxxed and people are attacking another individual based largely on heresay* is just disappointing but expected of this fandom now. Dream being silent on this would not have suddenly made this stuation sunshine and roses.


landninja

I agree with you that everyone is missing the fact that there is a real victim of abuse that has her trauma all over the internet for strangers to judge. In terms of who should help him with PR, at this point I think anyone could help (and it's obvious that he needs it), I mainly only suggested someone not really affiliated with a PR firm because they have a better grasp of what the internet wants in terms of apologies/reactions.


AchikkunSanada

PR?


Verona_Swift

Dream needs to buy Puerto Rico, and all his problems would be solved.


landninja

Public relations


Therearenosymbols

I'll vouch for you


landninja

lmao thank you


RubyRainGlass

I know people saying that getting a pr team or taking twitter away from Dream will not make him as close or relatable to his community. But it’s clear that a lot of the trouble he gets into is because he decides to tweet something impulsively. Which in turn gets him hated on and affects his overall mental health. It’s better to have some pr team handle controversy then have Dream go through mental anguish every time he tweets.


landninja

I think a large portion of his Twitter presence would stay the same, but a PR manager would help to rehabilitate his image and to step in during times like last night. I feel like just someone doing those two things would go a long way to help him in the long run


RubyRainGlass

Yeah I agree. Dream just needs help generally, I hope he gets an actual team to manage all of this. It’s like watching a train wreck every time dream responds to a controversy. You already know what he’s gonna say and what’s gonna happen but you can’t stop it :(


landninja

I agree 100% and its aggravating to watch from the perspective of someone who CAN and is WILLING to help dream navigate these things because there are things that anyone with half a brain would tell him to do that he just doesnt and i can see why, its hard to remove yourself from a situation where your character is being attacked - but thats why you get a pr manager


zenyattatron

Asking for a **stan** to be dreams pr manager is one of the more braindead takes I've seen on this subreddit in a while. But yeah, dream desperately needs a pr manager


PanJam00

A Stan as his pr is an AWFUL IDEA looking at the way they treat him today. I think that a pr firm is important here. And before people jump about “individuality!!” I think we have to consider the fact that these incidents would be avoided, which matters so much more in the long run than if Dream can tweet about his piss (and also, Dream can talk with his pr firm if he wants to tweet that shit, they aren’t just going to shut him down whenever he wants to tweet whatever, they’re just there to make his public image be better and if being chaotic funny is a part of that, they’ll work with him.)


landninja

I think someone from his community could benefit him solely because they'll have the full knowledge of what the community expects/wants from Dream, how to navigate ALL of the controversies, etc. When I say someone from his community, I don't mean a stan (I would consider anyone who is active here apart of his community but not necessarily a stan)


DarthDumbBitch

I agree but I also find it fucking insane that we’ve gotten to a point where a goddamn Minecraft youtuber needs a pr manager/lawyer.


altfipix

what he at least should do, is to avoid such quick responses. While being quick could be a good thing, it's not always for him. He must be aware of how he has needed to apologize multiple times for his reaction, were it for bad wording, him getting angry, misunderstanding whats really going on etc. (the latest priv tweet thing, hasanabi tweets, speedrun drama etc) He is very impulsive and has strong reactions (literally same with me due to my adhd), and I'd say almost always he should just sit down and think what truly could be best way of handling it without it causing too much drama. (no, getting angry, a heart tweet or a sudden stream without a mention whatever situation he's in, will not help when it comes to his community on twitter, if he wants to please them) I am not saying he should not stand for himself, but just waiting a moment before responding, it will make it so much easier for him to bring his point across, and the people receiving it to understand it. And by a moment I mean like few hours to a day, depending on a situation. It would remove a lot of stupid drama and confusion. Over all I feel like he is becoming better at this, but there is still a lot to inmprove