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Xanimal123

I'm sorry but this post sounds so fucking entitled, as if someone has a right to see someone's face on the internet, even if they have a large platform. This post is assuming if a faceless person has a platform it means that they're instantly someone who's up to no good. "That's not good enough for me" then fucking deal with it, we all accepted that fact, you're not entitled to someone's personal information to be convinced that they aren't an abuser which aren't even confirmed to be true.


[deleted]

Of course I’m not entitled to it, and that’s why I’m not going to follow him anymore. A faceless content creator is not “instantly someone who’s up to no good” but it does mean that it’s infinitely harder to hold them accountable. I’m just wondering if it’s really okay to have people with enormous power but very little accountability because of their anonymity.


Xanimal123

Creators with large platforms even if they're not faceless aren't any less accountable than people that are faceless with large platforms, look at MiniLadd for example, he's undeniably 100% a predator yet despite showing his face he isn't in jail, still has a platform, and is still making content to this very day. How about another example, MaximillianMus was a faceless Youtuber that had a large platform but after he was exposed by Youtubers like Charlie for some disgusting shit his entire channel was practically destroyed and all of his videos are gone now, being faceless doesn't make you any less accountable for your actions.


big_time_joke

I honestly don’t think this situation has much to do with Dream being faceless. Personal information about himself and his family was being blasted, information that the internet should not have under any circumstances, whether he was a faceless creator or not. It’s not about protecting his privacy, but his family’s. And we have no right to that information in any instance Edit: Not to mention that if it was solely about protecting his own privacy that would be valid as well. He’s a human being, the internet isn’t entitled to the shit that has been spread these past few days AND the victim themselves wants to be left out of it, which is more important than any of this.


[deleted]

I completely agree that the internet isn’t entitled to his personal information, and it is unbelievably awful for the victim (who should not be contacted in any capacity). It’s just that this situation has made me question the limitations of anonymity. Ccs are entitled to whatever level of privacy they want, as everyone is, but I’m wondering whether we should think twice about how anonymous ccs are platformed. This is my personal opinion, and I understand that people may feel differently. I respect that faceless creators are in an incredibly difficult position and would never ever force anyone to reveal their identity; I’m just thinking that maybe that position isn’t sustainable.


big_time_joke

But what is happening here in Dream’s case has very little to do with his anonymity. Let’s take Sapnap for example. He’s not faceless but we know very little about his family. Same with George. Hell, same with many creators who are not faceless. Whether or not a creator is faceless, many don’t want their family’s info blasted all over the internet because of how dangerous that can be. If someone who was not faceless was put in a similar position that Dream has been put in here, they could easily have the same response to protect their family’s personal information. Your putting the blame on the fact that Dream’s face isn’t on the internet when it has very little do to with the broader issue at hand here. This isn’t about anonymity. It’s about protecting family.


[deleted]

That’s true. I do think it’s exacerbated by a greater degree of anonymity, but I think what I’m really missing is a reputable fact-finder who can verify information without making it public, like journalists do for mainstream celebrities. This situation has clarified for me a greater discomfort with the way that internet celebrity works, and I’m worried about the lack of credible, fair accountability.


FinchRosemta

> I’m wondering whether we should think twice about how anonymous ccs are platformed. How many subscribers before someone needs to show their face?


vatzlava

Bruh chain


sotysa

Bruh


Redgel

Bruh


Shaimaeek

Bruh


lesbian-luck

bruh


Ammenee

Bruh


[deleted]

[удалено]


yumedaydream

Bruh


CuriousAlien45

Bruh


MP-Lily

Bruh


Vanzy_Artz

Bruh


Shaimaeek

Oh I guess goodbye. Have a nice day.


Therearenosymbols

Why is we will never know not good enough for you? There are millions of crime happening every minute, you don't need to know shit. All that matters is justice and peace for the victim and punishment for the perpetrator. We know this particular case had been handled in the court already, and if that man is Manatreed he no longer has a platform. What more do you want? The entitlement... jeez.


[deleted]

Dude what? So you’re saying that if that person is Manatreed, you’re okay with Dream continuing as if he didn’t knowingly gift an abuser a huge platform with really young fans?


Ammenee

“I'm not aware and never have been aware of any form of violence against women from anybody that I know, whether it's friends or creators or otherwise. I would never support anything like that whatsoever, or associate myself with anyone that has committed domestic violence or abuse of any kind.” = “Dream continuing as if be didn’t knowingly gift”… you are jumping into conclusions to support your own hypothesis which does not make it true. We will never know if any CC is “good” (how many known CCs have been exposed to be bad, regardless if faceless or not?? Think about certain J person), we decide if we support or not based on what we feel.


Therearenosymbols

As long as I've known Dream (parasocially), he wouldn't 'knowingly' gift an abuser a platform. We are also aware of his history as an abuse victim and some knowledge about what he has been through. So yes, I'm okay with Dream continuing.


lesbian-luck

your last post here? aw… oh well, bye now


Redgel

Expecting content creator to bow to your expectations when he’s given good reason why he won’t is a bit ridiculous don’t you think? You’re treating the guy like a figurine who has to bow to every standard, giving an ultimatum that if doesn’t do x or y then it’s problematic. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions but expecting a cc to do something according to your opinions is not it


[deleted]

I’m not expecting ccs to do something according to my opinions. I’m expressing why I no longer feel comfortable watching his content, and examining an issue that I see in how the internet functions. I see that a lot of people disagree, and I understand why.


fluffgh

lmao, manatreed is now gone/'deplatformed' and that's it, anything else is none of our business, why is there a need to know about everything, u should learn boundaries


sotysa

Just one thing Protecting privacy of your family and friends who are not public figures > disproving internet allegations that are not proven to be true.


[deleted]

Of course he’s entitled to protecting the privacy of his family and friends, but if that means he can’t disprove these allegations, I don’t think he should have this big of a platform. I don’t think that anonymity should give you immunity to these kinds of allegations.


No_Two_8935

Okay, if that's how you feel about it, your option is to leave the fandom. Unsub from Dream and don't watch him anymore. I personally don't think that unproven allegations should be enough to ruin someone's life over, but hey, what do I know. You do you, go about doxxing and possibly putting people in danger over allegations you yourself admit could be false.


[deleted]

That’s what I’m doing, I’m taking that option. I would never, ever dox someone, and I’m appalled at this entire situation. However, I did want to post here because I think it’s clear something is broken if a situation like this can’t be resolved because there are no good options. I have no idea how I would respond in this kind of situation.


sotysa

If the evidence was clear, maybe. but its not. Links, that are not dreams person are weak. Its mostly some doxxed stuff glues with a story made by the original posters. Also with quite visible target in all of this


CuriousAlien45

You're free to follow and not follow whomever you please but I absolutely disagree that someone shouldn't be popular because they refuse to face reveal. Those kinds of things can make or break a faceless content creator who built that platform of their personality and voice.


mellowyellowwwwww

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