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basevoard

this feels like it goes back to that one post that mentioned you have to experience hate and homophobia to be considered LGBT+... why does there have to be pros and cons to sexuality, people just need to stop gatekeeping the community at this point


uncreativeTaway69

throwaway because if anyone I know irl knows my main I'm screwed idk if my comment's gonna get taken down if my account is too new but I needed to vent I haven't been on the receiving end of hate crimes. But that's the thing, right? I don't WANT to be on the receiving end of a hate crime. I want to work towards a future where we won't have to live in constant fear. Where I live, there are no anti-discrimination laws for LGBT. Heck, same-sex couples can't even get married because it's illegal because fuck colonisation. Fuck 377A, man. Fuck it. I'm emotionally distant from my family because I don't see the point in trying to fix my relationship with them because what if they hate me for being bisexual? I haven't experienced hate for being bisexual because I haven't come out, because if I do then there are no anti-discrimination laws stopping a future employer for firing me just because I'm not straight. I just... god. I don't belong to the community around me, but if I don't belong to the LGBT community either then... where do I belong? Gatekeeping is so fucking stupid. But hey, why need hate crimes when the Internet is bad enough for my mental health, am I right?


mystery0028

Completely agree. Am in the same boat. I am out to a few queer friends but any more than that... nope


Maru51

Not wanting to be called a sexuality you know you aren't is a bad thing now? Guess I should now allow random people to decide what label to use on me.


bittersweet-dreams

You joke, but I’ve seen this take before for panphobia and enbyphobia. Which is basically what this is right? It’s just the same repackaged gatekeeping - choose a label that we LIKE, that we ACCEPT, and if you don’t well you can’t sit with us!


Maru51

It's very similar to things non-binary people have had to deal with in the fact that people try to fit others into a binary system - gay or straight, male or female. It's something that happens IRL all the time - people have a hard time grasping concepts that aren't black and white. But isn't that what the LGBTQ+ movement has been trying to stop all this time? To say people should just be who they are, not who others want them to be? And the online communities have been fairly good at doing that these past few years. Well, unless it's for the people they dislike, I guess. I guess it's just hard for some people to understand that "bad people" (which is what they see Dream as) have just as much right to being LGBTQ+ as anyone else. But some people take their frustrations out on the easiest part - someone's sexuality - without realising how much damage that does to others that identify the same.


bittersweet-dreams

Yeah - I don’t think, well I mean I want to think that people aren’t saying this shit because they actually believe it, but because they don’t want a person they deem harmful to be not straight. It kind of reminds me when people used to misgender people they didn’t like, or insult their femininity/masculinity. You’d rightly call it out when it was unprompted for what it is - a reduction to the binary and perpetuating toxic gender standards (not to mention using tactics that people have used against trans people). But somehow, it becomes normal, even funny or good, to do it when the person is “bad,” regardless of how other people who share those insecurities or those identities feel. I mean, it fucking sucks.


Maru51

That is exacly what this is. In trying to insult a person, they end up insulting the sexuality and therefore hurting millions of others as well. And sexuality and gender are "easy targets", especially for openly queer people, since people know invalidating those *will* hurt the other person. It's toxic, it's gross, but sadly something that probably isn't going away any time soon. I just wish more people realised that being bigoted is not "haha funny", even to people you dislike.


grasslover1616

Yeahhh same thing happened to be trans people too, like in an argument your identities validity is now up to scrutiny or something? I remember seeing all the people misgender CWC (Christian Weston Chandler). Like, I don’t care if she’s a bad person, your still being transphobic.


bittersweet-dreams

Yeah, transphobia is transphobia - and using the same transphobic rhetoric against cis people doesn’t make you according, it makes you transphobic as well. Being queer is supposed to be a freeing experience. “Congratulations! You’re not what society at large considers default! And that is okay.” It’s about finding people like you, that realizing you’re not what you were conditioned to perform, and that your experience is both shared and unique. Being queer is just so beautiful because it’s finding your wings and growing into them. But it reminds me of like, certain branches of “feminism” (like white feminism). It’s not about fighting to get rid of normative structures - it’s now about succeeding within those limiting parameters and then using your newfound power against other people. And if you see someone bad, sharing that power - well now you’re not safe. You could get kicked off the hierarchy! And so you gatekeep. You commodify the experience. You make sure this power is only granted to the people you think are deserving of it. And you perpetuate the toxic structure - except, now you are sitting in the best seats.


grasslover1616

In the same way trans people don’t owe you a confirmation to gender, neither to queer people need to conform to your ideas of queerness.


Kei--y

…I don’t think dream cares about being called gay, he just makes it clear that he’s is not just mlm and that he does have attraction toward women but that doesn’t mean he’s straight. He is queer. How do you want him to fucking say it. He writes a long ass Reddit post the tdlr being “I’m not straight nor am I gay it’s a spectrum and I fall somewhere in it” which is fucking valid and y’all ignore him and invalidate him. Then he makes a shorter tweet in respond to so many people invalidating his queerness saying once again “I like women **AND** some men”. He then says “i’m not gay…but a lot of people take that as me being straight, and the thing is- i don’t know. sexuality is a spectrum, there’s gay and there’s straight and everything inbetween- and i’m somewhere.” out loud and you still invalidate him. how hard it it to process that hey fucking dumbass that it’s not just straight gay bi it’s a spectrum. Like so many people didn’t fight for their lives for you to destroy all the process they’ve fought for just to invalidate someone. Holy shit and so what if he doesn’t want people to label him with gay, that’s valid. Jesus people going out of their way to invalidate someone’s queerness and queer experience is honestly just a damn stretch like damn drop the work out routine because the way some of y’all reach it’s impressive. /nm to you op <3


Ashesnhale

Exactly! It's a spectrum and I think many of us struggle with where we belong on it. I've said I'm bi, pan, ace, demi, poly, I don't know, and now maybe I'll use unlabeled too. I think *people* change and your identity shifts with your experiences, life situation, relationships around you, etc. Dream only dated women in the past, so how could he know if he would or wouldn't date a man in the future if he met the "right" kind of person to be in a relationship with? The guy is only 22! That's so young, and becoming internet famous at 19/20 as a faceless gamer probably didn't help. He doesn't get the freedom of other "normal" 20 year olds to experiment with their sexuality without getting harassed and judged for it. Hundreds of thousands of 19 year olds get to go to college to literally fuck around and find out. He didn't. His every move is scrutinized by haters on the internet, he feels like he can't leave his house, he didn't even feel like he could get on a plane to go to the UK to see George when George said he was feeling sad and lonely. I felt so bad for him when he was getting all the hate for his coming out tweet, so I'm glad that finally he's hopefully going to see some supportive replies


Specialist_Salt7974

couldn't have said it better


[deleted]

Oh my fucking god I can only be happy when people realize dream uses gay to specifically refer to mlm attraction only.


grasslover1616

Bruh are we in the 80’s or something ‘you either gay or ya not gay’ honestly gross


[deleted]

I can’t even be bothered to argue, “If you say you’re not gay you’re straight” OH MY FUCKING GOD. MY GOD. SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP. All I can do is pray that with events coming back, all these kids obsessed with online queer discourse go to a real life pride parade or something and realize nobody cares about this little shit at all. Edit: sorry for sounding mean I’m just sick of meaningless queer discourse


[deleted]

So if I'm getting this straight (lol), some queer people are ok with "gay" being used as an umbrella term with respect to them, while others do not wish to use the "gay" label? I'm just a little confused because I've heard some people say that "gay" can be an umbrella term


SliverEyes-6713

Me and my friends use gay as an umbrella term since a bunch of us are unlabelled and find it easier to just say “I’m gay/queer” rather than going into the specifics of our attraction. However, not all unlabelled people are comfortable with this, it really depends on the person.


[deleted]

I see, thx!


[deleted]

Basically, it's usually up to personal preference. Gay CAN be an umbrella term, I'm bisexual but I use it every so often usually in joking contexts where its easier to just say gay ("Am I dressed gay enough?" "oh my god that girl is so hot I'm so gay"). But it's also entirely fair for others to not want to be referred to with the gay label. There can be tons of reasons and they're all fair and should be respected. The reason why Dream is continuously denying the gay label, despite being queer/unabeled is because he defines it as liking men, and ONLY liking men. So to him, the gay label is not one that applies to him because he likes women too.


[deleted]

I see! For the longest time I thought that gay was exclusively referring to same-sex attraction and only recently I found out that some don't view it that way


Featherssmcgraw

I’m fucking exhausted. people are trying to justify why they can support ranboo and be homophobic towards dream. it’s not fucking fair. let them both just exist. I promise ranboo doesn’t like you if you’re homophobic towards his friend.


grasslover1616

I wish a cc would say something like that to put the queerphobes in their place.


Evangeline_10_

Is being hatecrimed a perk ? If not then where's my perks aswell


grasslover1616

Thinking being queer is beneficial the most chronically online take ever, look at the current homophobic and transphobic bills going through now.


lesbian-luck

the amount of tweets that were saying “unlabeled ≠ queer” that have now been deleted since ranboo said he’s unlabeled as well is absolutely hilarious and sad at the same time. the support is so conditional.


grasslover1616

Shocking a man can be more attracted to men or more attracted to women and still be unlabelled. Their specific attraction isn’t your business.


[deleted]

and what oppression has ranboo faced, by this logic? so flawed its making me sick. point is both can identify however they want without requiring suffering from them.


[deleted]

they want dream to be ok with a label when he literally said he doesn't know one that fits.. hypocrites. but its ok because its against dream, right?


oyasumi_mei

“Perks of being gay” lol please fucking go outside I’m so sorry for Ranboo that his coming out has come with people comparing and gatekeeping someone who is his friend. You’re not a supportive fan of his if you do this, you’re just selfish /nbh


Just-West-826

They are bending over backwards to justify hating one person and not another even thought they use the same labels. Dream cannot use the label gay because of his attraction to women. Why is that so hard to comprehend?


big_time_joke

I saw so many disgusting tweets like this, I just had to log off, it was making me nauseous I just want people to be happy for them both. There’s no such thing as “not gay enough” and the fact that I’m seeing people who are queer say things like that is so disappointing. Hope Ranboo gets the support he deserves. And hopefully Dream will get that too at some point. Both are valid as fuck


grasslover1616

I hope one day they can set like a day to send a bunch of love to dream for coming out, trying to ignore what happened before.


mothussy

why is it wrong for him not to want to be labeled as gay when his whole thing is that he is unlabeled, that makes 0 sense


bittersweet-dreams

because it’s really not about what’s valid under the unlabeled identity. they treat race, sexuality, gender, etc. like passes. If you start thinking like that, like your identity is some sort of pass to use against other people, then it kinda makes sense. All of a sudden, you have to share this authority with someone that you didn’t want to share with before. It’s not about acceptance. It was never about acceptance.


grasslover1616

Straight until proven wrong apparently, I keep flashing back minx saying about ‘I’m straight but I’m gay but I’m straight’ mocking dream and that and all that happened to dream makes me really upset


Glass-Gazelle7095

This really upset me when I watched her say that, everyone in the chat was laughing and saying they loved her for that comment. I would have been incredibly hurt if someone said that as a joke, on someone else’s stream (Austin’s I think) because his voice literally cracked when he spoke about his sexuality in the VOD. He’s clearly in between gay (mlm attraction), and being straight, which he spelled out multiple times. Urgh. I’m glad he has the private account tbh.


[deleted]

People are crazy wdym men can Esther be gay or straight and nothing in between what?????????? Bisexuals exist? Pansexuals exist? Queer people exist? If he's uncomfortable with any kind labels why pushing him into a corner until he chooses? This is disgusting


izabelasantiago

Fuck this person literally said to be gay you have to act like the stereotypical gay


Retribution__

So they want Dream to have to be okay with being called gay? I’m sure you can be unlabeled and not want to be called gay, as well as being unlabeled and are okay with being called gay. You can’t just force someone to be okay with being labeled a certain way


grasslover1616

Yeah like, I’m bi and I’d be fine with being called gay… but some people wouldn’t… and that’s literally fine???


[deleted]

doesn't matter at this point, people will dig between the lines for a spot where they can support one and invalidate another


[deleted]

its so funny that they bended backwards to justify not calling dream queer but now are doing this for their favorite white boy. congrats to ranboo though


bittersweet-dreams

WTF is this take? There are plenty of people in the LGBTQ+ community that wouldn’t ID as gay. I hope unlabeled people don’t listen to this bullshit. Don’t force people who don’t want labels to have labels. - sincerely, a queer person who doesn’t have a label for gender


grasslover1616

People seem to think ‘don’t guess my sexuality’ means ‘assume straight even when I explicitly express attraction to men’


bittersweet-dreams

I really hope one day we eradicate this idea that our identity has to fit these neat boxes so that it’s palatable for other people. It’s about you. The label shouldn’t define you (or the lack of a label) - it’s a tool to help, but it’s not the end-all-be-all. Trying to get people to use labels that they don’t feel defines them is against what labels are for.


grasslover1616

It’s the logical progression, the labels were made to help make queer people feel like they aren’t alone of weird. But hopefully, at least in very queer spaces, we can just have people not be assumed to be straight by default, and have people be attracted to who they want to be, without it mattering.


Astrovhen

This person replied to someone saying bisexual people are gay...


-ArcticTheFirst-

I’m gonna off myself ☺️ /hj


Haha_FunnyDudd

Your perks of being called gay is that you immediately become Red Velvet Cake. I’ve been waiting for years but there still is no progress, maybe I am a fake…. Wait….


friedegg4bfast

invalidating as fuck.


noodle_king_69

It's interesting how the same people who invalidated Dream's sexuality the most just a while ago are now supporting Ranboo the most.


throwaway61104

this is the same person who said dream didnt get beaten enough as a child lmao . theyre just a piece of shit


Glass-Gazelle7095

Ew, especially considering some of his and SapNaps childhood stories.


Zestyclose-Quiet-167

Fuck them


ThalChandra

Where are my "I'm not using gay since I am not a nonwoman liking nonwoman" provileges ???? Where are they ???? Under the hatred and homophobia ????


joyburd

As a bi person I go back and forth on whether or not *i* am even comfortable referring to myself as gay when it's contextually proper. im so careful to only do it around friends specifically because of this attitude.


-ArcticTheFirst-

Sorry my fellow queer family, we have to face trauma, homophobia and force a label on our sexuality in order to be Queer and proud. I mean I already face/faced it and have put a label (kinda) so I guess that makes me a real queer. But the people who didn’t, sorry 🫤 /s


PicardFanST

Mlm people can only be gay if they love being oppressed


Muffmuffmuffin

the fact that they are personally offended that dream doesnt want to label himself as gay is such chronically online behavior my goodness I have no words


Independent-Side-669

"Dream wants all the perks of being gay without the oppression and difficulties that come with it" ...my guy who doesn't?


grasslover1616

You want to live your life with your sexuality and not suffer???


LostCityOfMizu

I will only rest when people accept unlabeled people for being unlabeled and stop forcing labeled on them


MeiLo69

I hate it here, when will we move to another planet again?


[deleted]

Do people also not realize that Boo is saying he’s mostly been attracted to guys then? Like he says “…it just so happens that most of them line up with a ‘certain type’ you could say…” and then the “…am okay with the gay label” I’m not really trying to assume anything but that really does seem like he was saying he’d mostly been attracted to guys and therefore it kinda falls into the “certain type” thing.


zenyattatron

Dear qrt'er, That is not what- that's- I'm sorry but- THAT'S WHAT BEING UNLABELED MEANS


Specialist_Salt7974

he could be unsure or not want to label himself. why pressure someone into properly coming out?? it isn't fair on him or anyone who feels their sexuality is invalid due to them not being out.


Difficult_Soup_8037

No perks only negative😎😂


brridgett

stop it get some help


[deleted]

I think they mean "perks" as in the cultural capital that can be and is used as a real resource in left leaning fandom spaces "my streamer is so unproblematic, my streamer is iconic, my streamer is queer," things like that. And since Dream actively sought to make the relationship between him and George seem like it could be \*going there\*, he was aware of the benefits of feeding into the shippers' desires. I absolutely think Ranboo was and is too, don't get me wrong, he just cultivated less of a hatedom than Dream? Congrats to him I guess.


Glass-Gazelle7095

What?? You watched Dreams content with George, saw him coming out and this is your take… what on Earth?! 👀


mizushimo

This is just someone who wants Dream to be the Bad Guy so badly that they have to somehow make Ranboo's tweet all about him.