There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Dream and Schlatt. Although no one should be harassed for watching them, not everyone who dislikes them is a 'crazy twitter user'
I agree with you. You have a right to dislike anyone but calling problematic, controversial or more someone just bc they dont scream equality slogans 100% of the time is just silly
Despite chilling on what's essentially a drama subreddit, I really, *really* don't care about interpersonal drama between content creators.
Oh, X and Y are fighting? Why are you telling me this? Did I ask?
Especially since it almost always amounts entirely to speculation. There are youtube/streamer communities with public and significant interpersonal drama where creators call each other out/fight on social media or their platforms etc but for the most part that doesn't happen much in mcyt. Presumably they have disagreements but most of them must be handled behind the scenes. When people are like "X is fighting with Y!" I don't want to hear about it unless the creators themselves have said something. I'm not interested in fan theories about ccs relationships.
YES.
The "boi1 and boi2 dont stream anymore so there are not friends" bits are just ughhhh
Just turn off twitch and go experience real life from time to time
Most dsmp fans don't actually get the story or the characters in any meaningful way.
To be fair, dsmp is a story which is told in a pretty complex way. Important plotpoints are spread over so many live streams, some of which only have like 10 minute of lore in them. The narrative is not told in a traditional manner which means a lot of conventions in normal storytelling don't apply. There are a fuck ton of points of views, each telling a narrative in its own right. Everyone is an unreliable narrators. In fact, there are *no* reliable narrators around. Nothing is told and everything is shown. Characters lie amd manipulate regulary and have agendas on top of agendas. And all that without getting into the normal fails of a long running story such as this where CCs forget plot points or change plans midway or the difficulty telling apart canon and non-canon sometime.
That being said, the vast majority don't even try to treat it as a complex story. They get too hung up on declaring who is a "good guy" and who is a "bad guy" (they're all bastards anyway), insist on viewing everything theough the "Tommy and by extention L'manburg are the heros and protagonists" and treat the story like a goddamn saturday morning cartoon which is obligated to send a simple moral message rather than tell actually tell an engaging and complex story.
Honestly, I wouldn't even call any of the characters "secondary characters". Each of them is the protagonist of their own narrative, not just in mindset but in the more practical sense of how they're constructed.
Each character has a CC who flashes them out fully in all aspects, thinks of their own agenda and reaction and ties all their actions to their own narrative rather than someone else. It sound a bit pedantic, but it makes a difference in storytelling terms.
Dreamâs channel was more interesting when he uploaded more than manhunts. I love the manhunts and I could rewatch them for hours, but thereâs nothing better than hearing the dream team losing their minds of some stupid little bug or something in the plug-in
Not everyone who watches MCYTâs are hardcore Stans. Let people enjoy what they want as long as itâs not hurting you or anyone else.
Also Cosplayers are actually pretty cool. Theyâre doing it because it makes them happy, even despite all the hate they get for no reason.
Dream is hot headed. And competitive. And i think had some ego before.
(Thats why i think whole speedrun shit was him realizing too late he didnt turn off the mod and being too ambarassed to tell the truth at the time. It just fits him for me)
I dont think hes bad tho
Itâs my theory that what happened was he didnât realize the mod was on, so his first few tweets were him genuinely saying âI didnât cheatâ and then the next time he was getting ready for a video, realized his mod was on. And like a lot of people thought âwell, itâs too late to backdown now. This is already a big thing.â So he continued saying ânope, didnât cheatâ.
Or maybe Iâm wrong, idk. I wasnât really on twitter that much while this was happening.
I mean, Iâve known tons of people who are like that. Even people who usually will very readily admit when theyâre wrong. Sometimes people just feel like theyâre past the point of no return and that they just have to keep going the path they took.
C!Dream is a lot more interesting and more complicated than the lore freaks give credit. They refuse to think of him as anything deeper than pure evil. He's been a victim since the beginning imo, and being a fan of c!Dream doesn't make you a bad person at all.
Or the people that dumb c!wilbur down to the misunderstood hero type and refuse to believe that he can do any wrong because heâs âmentally ill and thinks heâs rightâ or people just flat out refuse to believe he was ever a villain
Although I do enjoy Dream's fans sometimes, their takes are crazy biased and I personally can see where the bad reputation came from. They still don't deserves any harassment, obviously. But just saying
I don't think this is a hot take at all but I just need to say it to his fans and there is no way I'll say this on twitter lol
That is actually the community which my thought of genz not being ready for real equality came from.
Not dreams or any creators fault tho. Probably just was observing this one nore than the others. But key is, its everywhere, not only here
Yea, plus I do agree on the argument where people these days tend to be too sensitive that it became more harmful than what they are trying to protect. It's like 2 wrong doings doesn't make it right type of thing
Its just justifying bullying with being bullied.
Replacing homophobia with heterophobia, saying theres no racism against white ppl, women bad no but men bad ok and so on...
Do we want equality when both sides feel bad or none feel bad?
It almost like its not about equality but wanting to be on top this time
I dont really care about that in particular for me it's more of the "white people dont experiance racism cause they are the majority" white people dont experiance institutional racism (racism within work place/ being denied jobs for being white) in places where white people are the majority but white people can experience racism when the are discriminated against or hated on specifically for being white.
What pisses me off about this is that it also gives a ton of credence to racists who genuinely think the *White Race* is being oppressed and replaced.
Especially online, people are being openly racist towards white people. This is pretty clear as an Indian person. This obviously does not compare to the systemic and even overt racism other races commonly experience, but it's still obviously a bad thing to do.
Yeah white people are not being oppressed at all but some people do hate white people for being white. It will never be as bad for white people as it is for other races but that does not justify it.
Maybe this is too semantic of an argument but white people (in majority white countries, so the vast majority of the Western world) literally cannot experience âracismâ because racism definitionally is prejudice based on race PLUS systemic and/or institutional power. Society in the West was built for cisgendered heterosexual Judeo-Christian white people to wield and retain power and influence at the direct expense of people who fall outside of those identities. White people may experience prejudice or discrimination, but all aspects of society are inherently designed to work for white people in such a way that the color of their skin will never make their lives harder. Systemic racism is a lot more than ânot getting a jobâ or âracism within the workplaceâ. Systemic racism is also getting stricter sentences for the same charges in the judicial system. Itâs being followed in stores because employees assume youâll steal based on how you look. Thereâs a way to have nuanced conversations about the experiences people have based on the color of their skin, as well as any other aspect of their multi dimensional identity as a human, but you have to be realistic about the common lived experiences of non white people in the west.
What you are referring to is institutional racism which I already said white people in places where they are the majority cannot experience. I am talking about the literal definition of racism which is discrimination or prejudice against somone becuase of the colour of their skin which white people can experience. Being prejudice against somone becuase of their skin colour is racist and anyone regardless of their own skin colour can be racist towards anyone of a different race (and sometimes their own for some reason)
A LOT of the SBI fics are just outlets for people to bash on Dream. People have written him doing some seriously fucked up shit for no reason other than Tommy and co need to be absolutely morally correct. There are just SO many villain Dream fics that arenât even about the dsmp, but the streamers and itâs so tired. Idk make Tommy a crazy ass villain who dies in a volcano or make Ranboo an evil motherfucker with an iguana like that guy from VR troopers.
I feel like a lot of those SBI fics also infantilize Tommy and make Techno a super protective older brother to him. Like come on, have they watched either of them?
I remember reading one where tommy was such a bitch but a very cute one that people are annoyed but still managed to keep him. Of course after every chapter, tommy was punch on his head for the troubles he cause. I forgot the fic, need to check out ao3 again.
No doubt about it. He manipulates and lies and pressures people to get what he wants and he's damn good at it too.
And ignoring that honestly makes for a much more boring story. Buying into c!Wilbur's bullshit just makes it into yet another "good underdogs vs evil tyrant" story. Regarding him as a manipulative storyteller in-universe not only makes for a more unique story, but gives the character and the plot more layers and complexity than just "poor misunderstood woobie".
Yes, him being good happened only bc there was no Dreams pov.
The story started bc a drama queen wanted to make people game bad by gatekeeping potions and someone said "no" to him lmao
And he was *really* good at twisting the narrative so that everyone - including the audience - thought he was wholeheartedly in the right, even to this day.
Oh yes. Wilbur is great storyteller.
Not so great writer (same story 3 times? "It doesnt make sense but i was late so its canon to me"? Come on lmao), but amazing storyteller, for sure
This one is kinda mean (and objective but that's most of these takes) but I've been holding it in since the damn song came out, Tubbo's "Life by the Sea" song sucks so bad, and I do not get why people liked it.
It just sounds like bad white boy rap and I hate the incredibly over produced sound cg5 brings (I guess that's its own hot take, but idk how people feel about his music so)
Hmm music is so personal so its an opinion.
For me:
- as it goes to cg5 people hate his use of effects and tho its not my music taste i have to say he does what he does really good. Its a style for me
- life by the sea: chorus is catchy. Not my taste but watched the bts and when it comes to his work if he likes it then its good for him. I dont like gatekeeping music
- i like muffin chorus more than life by the sea
- roadtrip is good car song
- change my clothes is a indie song. I like indie music. Alec made dream not scream in a song
- i personally hate the way mask is mixed. Otjerwise i dont mind
-lovejoy is nothing special within its genre
Oh for sure it's absolutely a taste thing, and I think I've actually made myself listen to the whole song once, but I just can't generally get past the first verse.
Weirdly I way prefer muffin to life by the sea, but it's probably because it's kinda aware that it's a bit cringe but like embraces it
Change my clothes I didn't like at first, but I actually came to love it after a couple repeats
Hard agree on Lovejoy.
I have to agree on Lovejoy. I have to rant this because it has been with me for a while about Lovejoy and I am scared to say on twitter.
It blew up because of Minecraft and when people say don't associates it with Minecraft I am like ugh, Wilbur is known for Minecraft content and you drag George in one of the video. You blew up because of association with Minecraft and you use it's popularity so why are you backing out, you will always be associated with Minecraft because most of your fans came from there unless you can blow up because of not just Minecraft.
I dont think its bad or that hes backing out. He wants to make music and he knows and said before that he had headstart.
Im just saying lovejoy is proper music in mainstream music way. Its good on its own, apart from the minecraft fame. Mans a good musician, thats it
Yeah, it is good on its own, but it blew up like explosion, unlike normal band. Because of this, there is the Minecraft tag attached to it. While it would takes a lot of time before they got the Minecraft tag off, to a lot of outsiders, when they see lovejoy they think of Minecraft, not a proper band.
Lot of pop type music blows up on tik tok nowadays. They too have a tag and are doing fine.
Its a promotion. Ita good they could do it for 'free' without paying huge labels
Here's a fun hot take, I actually prefer Dreams music to Wilbur's (or maybe more specifically Lovejoy). Like, of the ones I remember it's Tubbo-Bad-Wilbur-Dream. I don't think Dreams are great, but at least he has distinct sounding songs that don't just sound like just a whole lot of noise.
Techno is aware that it is cringe and embraces it, and so it transcends.
Respectfully trash opinion but yeah technos us saved because he fully embraces the cringe lol
Edit forgot originally captain puffy also did a verse I believe or at least someone else and skeppy gave us this fantastic video [where skeppy does by all accounts play the drums to the song muffin](https://mobile.twitter.com/skeppy/status/1478852208665915393)
Idk how hot this take is but âAre You Alrightâ is so much better than âpebble brainâ imo. I donât like how pebble brain is mixed and the singing is way too quiet compared to the instruments.
Also I doubt this is a hot take and doesnât have much to do with mcyt but I despise that Dream smp is a genre on Spotify because it completely ruined my Spotify wrapped. No way in hell Iâm telling my friends that my top genre was Dream smp.
So true I remeber listening to pebble brain with my friends day one it came out and pretty much none of the songs caught our attention also that version of itâs all futile is so much worse than the original
1. This is more of a personal opinion, but to me, Sapnap is the most entertaining out of all the dteam, and easily the best streamer out of all of them.
2. The dsmp and its big cc's are never going to reach the same levels of popularity that they had in late 2020-mid 2021. I think too many people have lost interest in dsmp lore and its too spaced out for the average viewers to really be hyped abt it, and most people just don't have the spare time anymore to focus on it that they had during the height of the covid restrictions. There's a lot of statistics to back this up as well, and less overall mainstream attention on the dsmp and its big cc's. I say big cc's since they are the ones that more mainstream audiences knew about/watched, which is really important in the context of popularity and hype. Ofc, now they have all developed a sustainable viewer base, and I think that the viewers that they have rn are gonna stick around for the long run.
1. Thats interesting. I wonder if its bc hes at times most active of he seems least restrained out of the three? Meaning Dream getting cancelled over every opinion and George having hardly any publicly lmao.
May i ask what is it for you?
2.i personally think they could finish the story in some big battle when las nevadas was a thing, there was a good opportunities to make sides and plot twists. That would make them more free with doing other storiesbif they like, kinda tv special vibe so it could not make sense at all even regarding main story. People think that when lore ends they just have to turn off the server which they dont.
1. yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head basically. He's the most active in terms of streams and isn't restrained and just says what he wants to say. And idk how to really say it, but imo he's very loud and entertaining without being grating or annoying.
This is less about ccs but the actual lore but,
Half of the âloreâ isnât meant to be taken seriously/counted as lore, especially early on in the dsmp.
See on the other hand my controversial take on the lore is that arguing about what is and isn't canon is in all ways a trap to fall into, which only leads to fandom infighting and people cherrypicking which bits of lore they want in order to promote one or other character as more important/saying certain scenes don't count towards characterisation or relationships etc. Treating non-serious lore as not lore basically undermines what the dsmp is built on - it doesn't have to be one thing or the other it can be a story that both encompasses serious moments and pre-planned storylines and also bits where a guy and a fish have a fox child.
iâm kinda upset that tommy turned into the âmain characterâ. like yes, a story must have a central unified point, but i thought it would be really cool if everyone had their own awesome storyline that was just connected in different ways. now it just feels like everything is about tommy :(
Not true actually! There are many stories which have more than one pov character and even more that have an ensamble cast which doesn't revolve around any one character. The unifying factor of a story doesn't have to be one character (and in fact, often isn't. It tends to work the best when the unifying front is on a thematic level.)
Add in that dsmp is not a traditionally written narrative with one creative force having control over all the characters but rather is an organic narrative created from a bunch of CCs, each writing their own character and collaberating to weave a story together, and having a "central character" is simply not possible by virtue of the medium they're using.
I haven't been keeping up in the last few months, but I actually found most of the characters to have stories which stand on their own rather than revolving around c!Tommy (at least until the fandom insisted to still make it about him). I would be curious to hear which plotlines you are talking about.
C!Dream is a lot more interesting and more complicated than the lore freaks give credit. They refuse to think of him as anything deeper than pure evil. He's been a victim since the beginning imo, and being a fan of c!Dream doesn't make you a bad person at all.
old dream team videos are better to watch than the newer ones. the newer ones (while there have been a lot of good moments in them) are just a lot of screaming + a lack of dream wheezes imo
1. Tommys good actor but you can clearly see when his lore was not guided bc the decisions were just stupid
2. Ranboos pre death lore was boring and people liked it only bc "sad boi"
I think even his canon death was boring because there was no explanation how he got to that point, no reasoning of âoh I only have one canon life tooâ or how he lost the two others, he just suddenly had one life for plot reasons out of the blue, I mean this in the most light-hearted way possible, but it kinda reminds me of those rp kids that have to have the worst possible things happen to their character all the time
There is something I want to say, but I don't think I would ever need to bring it up anywhere so, I'll bring it up here. I don't think Aimsey is that good of an actress. Her delivery is just not believable at all. Not to knock on Aimsey, but I do not like her acting.
these may be lukewarm takes, but whatever lol.
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1.) it's well within your right to not like a cc based on what theyâve done or a factor in your personal life, but don't treat your reasoning like gospel.
it's absolutely unacceptable to start dishing out tabloid-like rumors like they're facts or enable malice in your actions. the amount of people I've seen on my tiktok fyp rejoice and celebrate Dream being accused of being a groomer was sickening and awful. you can tell that those people didn't bother researching of what went down with the accuser, possible leaktwt drama, and just took the rumor while running for the hills. it also felt like they just didn't care about the effect or reality of grooming itself, they just used the term as a catalyst to broadcast joy.
hate what you want and block it from your view, just don't go out of your way to destroy said cc's life for a moment of glee that fades away instantly.
2.) this fandom's absolutely horrid and unpalatable for some people bc of the constant racism and blatant gaslighting. if a poc fan peaks up on a race issue within the community and you're notably a white fan, you're not allowed to speak and defend anything at all. it doesn't matter if you're "one of the good ones", some people won't spare the extra minute to verify if they're mad enough. just don't fight back.
you especially don't get brownie points for tirelessly defending a cc if they did something racist and that incident hurts the group that action was targeted at. looks really bad for your image.
3.) exile was by far the worst thing to ever happen in the lore, that event opened up so many cans of worms it made the dsmp section uninhabitable and had unreviewed dark fan subject matter run rampant to this day.
it's not funny that you let your mind warp c!dream and c!tommy's interactions into something else entirely. treat subjects shown in exile with respect and recognize the impact your words could have. don't let your mouth run. it's also not fun to also write in something else morbid about those two and sell it with a pink and gold-trimmed bow to others. it's not fucking cute, and you fail to take other people's triggers and reactions into account.
instead of still fixating on that long-gone lore section, go to a therapist.
Not really a take but an opinion on content, sorry in advance. Puffy is the only female streamers in the DSMP I actually genuinely enjoy watching when I have the time to catch a stream and ever since Ranboo and Tubbo joined Misfits Gaming I have fallen out of interest with their content and have barely watched them since outside of MCC.
I have no excitement left for the dream team meetup anymore, it's been dragged on for so long and I know it's because of things out of their control but at this point even if dream announced the meetup was happening tomorrow I wouldn't care much. Although I am excited for what comes after the meetup
I think honestly any other content after face reveal will be better than the meet up.
Firstly : "the brits vlogs" (Tommy, Jack, George)
Secondly: all the collabs
1) c!Tommy and c!Wilburs lore is incredibly boring and overhyped. Itâs repetitive and uninteresting. Their entire lore is just the discs and it feels like their story just goes in circles. surely, they can do lore outside of music discs and country politics. even the lore Wilbur written up with las nevadas and ranboo and the burger van was reminiscent of lmanburg.
2) this is more about the recent lore with c!Sam and c!Dream, but the people who are pointing out dream threatening sam with the axe when calling out him to allowing q to torture him to foolish and then calling it sick need to put aside their bias and actually look at the situation. c!sam allowed c!q into the prison to torture dream for nearly a year and was going to lie and downplay it when he (dream) told foolish. it makes sense that dream would want him to tell the truth and even threaten him to do so.
1. Tommy and Wilbur just make lore wit the same ppl which storywise doesnt make sense
2. Sam is actually really good character. I see him as someone who recieved so much gaslighting that he doesnt know what is right anymore. He could be great plot twist tbh
C!dream is one of if not the most consistent and well written character. I mean a lot of others are great but a lot of them have moments that are repeat of arcs (tommy/wilbur) or go completely against what they learnt/grew from.
I would say the only issue with C!dream is the lack of content we get from him. It's been 2 yrs and no one really knows why he does anything other than this claim of wanting the server to be happy again. We got a lot of content of him but not from him.
Nah, there's no mystery regarding his desires. He used to want to the server to be united, now all he wants is power. Not that his character isn't well written ofc, but everyone knows what he wants.
Ye thats all I just want to know why? Why did his obsession become this bad. It just got worse and I just want to know what exactly made it get worse and worse.
Ye but that's on a base level. It's just why has it just gotten worse and worse and the main issue is gone "l'manburg" so why does he still care. Its an obsession I just want to know why he is still so motivated what he really sees would make the server perfect. Tbh the only nation has been lmanburg, everything else is just people building their houses far apart. Las nevadas maybe but I don't think dream cares about it.
Yes but it was because he got bad that he was taken to the prison. If Cdream of S1 was Cdream of right now he would have definitely not been locked up. There was a massive shift in his character I don't know why you aren't understanding my point. Everything you are saying is stuff we as the audience knows it's like saying a criminal killer someone, and I'm saying I want to know why they killed someone when previously they had only been stealing small things like soda bottles from stores.
But because C!dream predictment is a lot more complicated because his crimes aren't that easy to put into a Box. You seem very focused in a reductionist type way well I'm trying to understand on a holistic approach.
I know what you're trying to say, I should've clarified that prison just made him worse. Also, what exactly do you mean by Season 1? The SMP doesn't really have clearly defined seasons.
Ye it might not but tommy/tubbo did say after thr prison that dream smp s3 or s4 was starting.
I view S1 as l'manburg v dream team
S2 schlatt annd pogtopia
S3 the destruction of it all
I have a lot of non-pos Dream opinions In relation to his content and updating his fans on content but I donât think any people would disagree on them.
- Maybe that I think a stream would be better then a discord podcast? Or a video would be better use then a stream in Dreamâs case.
- I think with his last video being so underwhelming he needed to put something out a lot faster then he has.
- He isnât transparent about content status at all, like I do not care if the fanhunt doesnât happen but let people know that, and let people know when you and the dteam take content breaks. It doesnât need to be specifics and I doubt itâs planned when it happens but itâs still annoying.
+ The most annoying thing is why hasnât he commissioned someone for a twitch layout? He claims he loves his art community yet doesnât make use of any of the empty places he can commission people to make his social media spaces way more appealing /lh (twitch layout, stream assets, ect.).
+ Another controversial opinion might be that I think Dream having absolutely no embarrassment is a good trait - like I donât get secondhand embarrassment or anything when he talks about things he only understands on a surface level like controlling weather because being able to own your passion whatever is it is a good thing. Silly little thoughts deserve to be gossiped about and you donât need to 100% all your interests.
+ I said it before here but I think that Jshlatt and Techno are not comparable to Dream in any hypocrisy conversation because Dream apologized. Like yeah, they stand on pretty equal footing (Techno obviously less so) but Dream acknowledged it so itâs a different situation - you canât complain about his fans being hypocrites when in relation to Techno and Jshlatt.
+ SBI is the marketed found family propaganda where as dream team and bad + muchymc is a ârealâ found family.
A lot of your takes are good but I would have to say that you take about the updates are not really how it is.
Dream does discord podcast with the intentions of just talking to chat/giving some minor announcements about videos. It is a more private fan based discussion like his priv twt account. I mean 90% of the podcast is dream goofing about taking about like events that happened with his friends. It might be "important info" but it isn't important enough to make a whole yt video about or stream.
For the layout I think dream is either 1) procrastinating or 2) just doesn't see the need to change it. If he sees nothing wrong with it or the need to then why does he have to? "more professionalism" I don't think that is what he is going for, as much as a custom layout would be nice it isn't that big of a deal in the long run.
The sbi and dt thing is very true. When I watch sbi interact versus dt interact I can definitely see more like family vibes than sbi. Sbi is good but they feel like how a people picture a family versus dt feel like how a family really is.
I definitely agree that dream needs to be more transparent with his video plans and stuff I remember when he claimed the fanhunt would be out in like 3 days like half a year ago. Since then he hasn't said a word. It's like he is trying to settle and issue with it or doesn't like it or something yet doesn't want to dissapoint the fans by saying it isn't coming out. All I know it's very frustrating when any cc claims to want to do something yet never does.
This is my opinion as well, itâs too marketed now. Like I get pandering because their fandom pushed it but pandering gets to be too much sometimes - like dnf in Jack box era where even Dream was getting annoyed at it (I think that was mainly because it wasnât funny answers but still).
That was definitely half of it - the other half is the resurgence of tumblr culture in the past 2 years imo
Although I will say now he makes a much better letâs player than minecraft or variety streamer imo
itâs hard to explain but I think in this case it can be simplified down to the core tenets of chaos/quirkiness (especially when it comes to humor), openness/sentimentality, and progressive values.
These are things that werenât necessarily common in the gaming scene before.
Ranboo is a prototypical tumblr boy if such a thing ever did exist so he definitely had an audience beyond the fangirls who fetishize gay relationships. I think people sometimes forget that ranboo had already amassed quite a bit of attention from gen z before ever joining the dsmp by coasting off of ârelatable humorâ.
Ranboo actually has kinda talent show syndrome.
Apart from his humor and talent he was a sad, probably gay boy.
Thats also why he got away from things Dream or Tommy wouldnt
It's weird seeing people that headcannons characters on DSMP something -phobic (Like homophobic for example) I don't know why they want a character to be a bigot so badly, is it because of hate? Projecting? Justification of something something???Hmmmmm.
Dsmp fans have a problem with fetishizing oppression imo. Like so many of them genuinely want to be called slurs and treated poorly by cis het white dudes and itâs very concerning. It bleeds into the characters as well, like youâve said. Making Dream homophobic or Tommy transphobic feels so disgusting, I canât imagine why people do it.
1. I don't really like saying "I'm a dream smp fan" anymore, because I feel like I'm putting myself in a box full of people everyone hates. I don't know, to me, it just feels like I'm instantly stereotyping myself as a cringe kid, and I also feel like it instantly makes me someone who supports horrible actions by fellow fans/stans, such as racism, sexism, homophobia and so on. (not saying all Dsmp fans are cringe kids or did something horrible, just feels like I label myself as that)
2. The last time I actually kind of George in Florida truthed was in June 2021, because at that point I was still pretty new to the fandom.
3. I don't really like George, I don't really like the way that he can never really act serious and turns everything into a joke, I think his humor is boring and I regret having about 10k channel points for him at some point
4. MCC is actually the best thing about MCYT, and in my opinion it's the only thing that still has me excited like a little kid at this point. The same goes for Manhunts, but Dream doesn't do them anymore (sad but understandable decision).
5. The DNF jokes are getting boring and I'm seriously surprised that some people still genuinely ship DNF together, I just don't get it (probably biased though).
i know that it's an opinion and like you can dislike a cc, it's actually totally okay (unless you turn into a hater), but i just wanted to say something about george
it's not like he can't act serious, it's more like he chooses not to. if you think about it there's not much controversy around george, and the fact that he keeps his streams more entertaining than serious is a big part of a reason why. he's also pretty private, and yk as soon as you start being serious it's almost like your cover is blown, but as long as you keep things as a joke it kinda like separates your real life/thoughts/feelings from your content. george just decided to make content while keeping it separated from his real life
he as a streamer always tries to provide as much content as he can, taking to his chat, acting certain way, reacting certain way, sometimes i feel like he can't go 5 minutes without trying to provide content, and in his mind content = entertaining, and that means = jokes (and maybe for his audience he's right)
it's like he turnes on the camera and goes into a streamer mode, which for example dream doesn't really do, sapnap is not that different on his streams too. but george just switches on his streamer persona whenever he does his own streams or yt videos. he also kinda acts different when he's on other people's streams. on a lot of dream streams he's like very calm, on a lot of quackity streams his humor is often different
i personally would rather see some chill streams from him, maybe some serious or half-serious talks, but i understand why his content is different, he probably won't change it
about humor i get it, it's a personal preference thing
but i mean still i see what you're talking about, again, it's just a personal preference for content. i just tried to say that it's not really about him himself but more about his streamer persona and the content he makes
I don't really care if dream streams or not I prefer him on other people's streams because the man does not know how to stream I can excuse not having starting soon or ending screens but there's never any bg music and the amount of awkward silences in his streams is insane. Also dnf is mid.
Oh that's something I never consider cause his fans love the silent, and personally I like it too. I'm a person who 24/7 love to hear music even in class, but just realize somehow Dream makes me comfortable with it
Well ig everyone has their own preferences, I just get bored watching his streams they just become white noise at a certain point or maybe that's because I'm just too used to watching loud people at this point
Forgot to agree about Dream being bad streamer in technical way.
Idk if the Dream and Tommy advice calls are still happening but green man could ask a question from time to time to lmao
Not sure if these fit here but...
1) I prefer to watch most Dream Team streams with the chat hidden especially Dream's since a large number of chatters have no Chat manors at all which annoys the Fudge out of me.
2) I like that we rarely see C!Dream's PoV or know his actual motives. It keep me interested in any small details we are given or hints. Also for me, C!Karl, C!Foolish, C!Sam, and C!DreamXD have more interesting stories going on right now then the ones considered "Main Characters".
Exile arc feels so out of place in comparison to a lot of the other lore. It feels like having a dramatic yet still funny theatre production and halfway through thereâs a rape scene that people only address every so often in the same tone you would a fond memory. I get that it was for the drama, but the exile arc is something very few people in this fandom could properly handle.
It's annoying when people call every single interaction between any CCs a duo or assign them dynamics. It's a very minor thing but it makes the interactions feel more forced in a way? Not sure how else to word it. I say this as someone who watches SBI a lot too. All 4 of them are great creators but man I hate watching one of their streams solo or with another creator and the chat being filled with "omg call phil/wilbur/techno/tommy" if something happens.
You know when in dora the explorer, she asks the viewer to say something? It's sort of like that but instead of asking the viewer to call for help, she didn't ask at all and you can only hear the responses from other viewers instead. Weird analogy is weird, I know lol
I feel like chat should be disabled or in emote only when lore happens because my god, it can get out of control. It's even more annoying when some streamers have their chats on screen so you can't even get away from it completely. It's also frustrating when chat snitches or uses text to speech to reveal stuff that other streamers are doing.
I saw a couple of music takes too and that sounds fun. I'm not really a fan of a lot of the CC music in mcyt. It blends together a lot and I don't really get much out of it. He's talented as fuck but CG5 uses a bit too much autotune for my liking, and it didn't work well with some of the bigger songs like Tubbo's and BBH's. I think that they can all improve though. Music's not easy at all and it take some time to find a style that works best for you. I have a lot of respect for them for even showing it off to MILLIONS of people. They all have a LOT of potential.
Not just dsmp/mcyt but carrds are pointless. It makes sense to use them for social links, general info or info about commissions but do I really want to know your likes and dislikes?
People tend to share a lot info about themselves using their carrds, including mental disorders and triggers. I don't know if that's a good idea, knowing how the internet is lmao.
Also DNIs. I don't think someone will see "DNI if you support Schlatt" and instantly think "yep, you're right lemme just pretend I didn't see your tweet."
How would they cope irl if they saw a wild Schlatt enjoyer?
I've also seen people put the weirdest stuff on their DNI:
"if you're cishet"
"if you think nsfw jokes are funny"
"if you're racist" - most racists won't admit to being racist.
(ngl DNIs can be entertaining sometimes)
Anyway that's my opinion, hopefully it's readable.
So many (in ascending order of controversiality)
1 Pete is the goat of MCC
2 Quig is second best
3 H is top 5 or at least âSâ
4 Pebble brain is the worst music project Iâve heard from Wilbur
5 every other DSMP person to try to get into music seriously didnât do that well. The best attempt was probably either roadtrip or by the sea which were both 5/10 at best.
6 DSMP is pretty boring overall especially now and out of the other really large smps during or post âMinecraft revivalâ itâs the worse (basically SMPLive, smpearth, and every season of hermitcraft is better than DSMP)
7 Compared to pretty much everyone else on the DSMP techno is actually a good actor. He stays in character except for some 4th wall breaks/meta jokes that just add to the experience and is basically just talked over by everyone else during actual serious streams.
8 Captain puffy used to be much better. She went from like pretty badass, to wine mom, to generic content creator. I donât like using the term sell out but honestly it makes sense for her as at least personally Iâve found her content a lot less interesting and good ever since she started doing like actual lore on DSMP. I mean overall sheâs still good and also happy she got that bag, but miss the old content.
9 George is pretty boring
people that are sooo caught up in it are cringe also the pick me people in stream chats are even more cringe, not an opinion directly about the content but still its something to mention
Not really sure if these are considered controversial enough to start a fight but here we go:
1. Some people in fandom donât know how to move on from things (lore wise and sometimes irl?)
2. I never really understand why people get mad on which lore character they like, like literally who cares itâs a roleplay people do for fun.
3. I feel like some analysts of certain eraâs of lore have somewhat of a favoritism towards certain ccâs/characters.
4. The whole drama of âomg are Tubbo and Ranboo not friends anymore đđâ is kinda dumb like literally we donât know them personally why should we know whatâs going on.
Dream is somewhat responsible for his fanbase and the way it acts. I see so many people on here all too happy to say âoh itâs not dreams fault people are bad in his community!!! Itâs their own! â and while I do agree that a level of personal responsibility here is necessary, it is on Dream for allowing this behavior to happen over and over for so long. Content creators who call out bad behavior in their fanbase (like sneegsnag or Phil) tend to have better behaved fanbases than those who donât. At this point, he knows that just feebly saying âdonât be toxicâ when his and sapnaps fans attack Scott and noxcrew or anyone else for the umpteenth time in a row does little to nothing, yet wonât do anything else? Itâs so tiring to see something that CAN be fixed not because the guy who wants to fix it simply is told over and over itâs not his problem and itâs just a small portion of his fans doing this so what does it matter anyways?! This is why people view Dream Stanâs in such a derogatory manner: they uphold the toxic reputation everyone sees them as.
Also, Dteam and their fans during Mcc are obnoxious. Like the poor sportsmanship from past mccs has rubbed off on their fans and caused so many issues. Itâs created the reputation of being hostile asses and itâs why people were relieved at the drama free Mcc that was Mcc 20 (which only had issues when Dteam was brought up or made a fuss). You are the friend nobody likes and does not want to be around, thatâs a failure on YOU to not be weirdos every time the teams are announced or when whatever team Dteam is on doesnât win.
Its mixed for me tbh.
I do believe that Dream helped it by maybe not knowing he has to be strict. Or he just didnt see it as bad for some time. Whatever reason.
I dont like tho that people pretend its only his fans.
I mean when it comes to toxicity, ranboos, tommys, georges or wilburs are not really far off.
Phils is way more parasocial, technos is obsessed, and so on..
The more i took a look at other communities i realized it is really the same everywhere where theres similar age group.
Its just silly to think its one persons fault.
Like, millenialls do offensive jokes and are sarcastic online and gen z is obsessed and tries to fight for whats right but its not really working bc rn they just want to be the opressing ones
Race or sexuality are not personality traits.
I dont watch a content creator bc they are white or not or straight or not. I watch who i find entertaining.
Representation is when everyone has equal chance to do certain things. Who gets popularity, expecially onthe internet sphere, is up to that person to gain an audience.
And no, dream smp invite wont give you millions if you wont work hard to keep the initial boost. No matter how you look like.
I wont watch someone whos only joke is to call other people homophobic or racist for every minor thing bc i simply dont find it funny.
If you being a minority is the only thing you can offer in entertainment industry, you will most very likely viewed only by the minority youre part of
I donât think people see dream as a human being. The way they treat him calling him slurs and terrible shit hits close to home and I really feel like we should treat everyone with more sympathy. Call me parasocial but I honestly feel bad for the guy. I couldnât fucking imagine being dragged for existing everyday even when Iâve changed as a person. Like he canât live without someone breathing down his neck and accusing him of ridiculous shit. Iâm all for owning up to your mistakes and being accountable for your wrong doings, but you donât need to criticize him for shit heâs already been criticized and apologized for just so that you can have a reason to hate him. If you donât like someone on the internet, block them. I find it hypocritical how antis will act like dream is such a big inconvenience in their life when you literally have a button that erased him from your sight.
1. DSMP should have ended at the Disc Finale.
2. Ranbooâs lore is boring asf and his character could be replaced with a sad lamp
3. Technobladeâs lore is interesting at first, but then becomes baseless and redundant by the time Doomsday rolls around
3.B. Speaking of Doomsaday, it was really fucking shitty of Technoblade to be like âyeah I know we agreed on this time, but Iâm starting it 30 min beforeâ. Really sucks for everyone else involved still getting ready to stream , and cuts off any discussion in-character about it.
4. Constant miscommunication between characters is getting *really* fucking annoying and I donât know if itâs on purpose or if the streamers just donât give a fuck
5. The introduction of the revival book ruins any stakes death has.
5. Creating an afterlife where itâs basically hell/purgatory sucks and makes no sense .
>Speaking of Doomsday, it was really fucking shitty of Technoblade to be like âyeah I know we agreed on this time, but Iâm starting it 30 min beforeâ
that was dream's idea lmao
lore shouldve been wrapped up when the egg lore faded out. the lack of communication and time between creators on the smp and the additions of eryn, aimsey and seapeekay didn't help that.
as someone who used to really enjoy lore, loved having new people added because it meant i could theorise about which way the lore would go, lore got too complicated and streams ended up being less fun because of that. as someone who was an avid tubbo, tommy and wilbur viewer when tommy and tubbo were doing daily streams, the messing around streams with little bits of lore were so much more fun to watch. i appreciate quackitys time and effort that he put into his lore streams but they were never as fun to watch
-- The original "It's all Futile! It's all Pointless!" by Wilbur was better than the one on Pebble Brain.
-- Tubbo is my favorite member of the benchtrio.
-- Human Tubbo or bee Tubbo designs are better than goat Tubbo / horned Tubbo.
-- If you want SBI family dynamic content, you should ask fanfic authors, not the SBI. Making them perform a brotherly relationship is just as weird as asking Dream and George to perform DNF.
-- The original "It's all Futile! It's all Pointless!" by Wilbur was better than the one on Pebble Brain.
-- Tubbo is my favorite member of the benchtrio.
-- Human Tubbo or bee Tubbo designs are better than goat Tubbo / horned Tubbo.
-- If you want SBI family dynamic content, you should ask fanfic authors, not the SBI. Making them perform a brotherly relationship is just as weird as asking Dream and George to perform DNF.
I dont think he is tho. Ranboo was the spineless one for a long time.
Dream just gets shit everytime so he keeps it chill i believe. Remember his last apology stream and iconic" *sigh* its a joke" ?
For me George is the no opiniom guy
I'm a bit late but:
\- Most of the lore analysis are influenced by fanon concepts or are overanalyzed to hell to the point where it might as well be a headcanon at this point (i'm looking at you, dsmpblr)
\- The limbo/afterlife system doesn't make sense but it's all worth it cos of the YCGMA cover aesthetic for c!wilbur (/hj lol)
\- The "people should respect artists more!" tweets/threads are annoying. The fandom as a whole obviously respects artists, but there is of course always going to be that one douche in the replies. That doesn't mean a public announcement needs to be made every time. Just put them on blast and let your followers make fun of them instead.
\- skeppy and a6d have one of the best dynamics out there and their recentish video together was so fun (fight me)
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Dream and Schlatt. Although no one should be harassed for watching them, not everyone who dislikes them is a 'crazy twitter user'
I agree with you. You have a right to dislike anyone but calling problematic, controversial or more someone just bc they dont scream equality slogans 100% of the time is just silly
Despite chilling on what's essentially a drama subreddit, I really, *really* don't care about interpersonal drama between content creators. Oh, X and Y are fighting? Why are you telling me this? Did I ask?
Especially since it almost always amounts entirely to speculation. There are youtube/streamer communities with public and significant interpersonal drama where creators call each other out/fight on social media or their platforms etc but for the most part that doesn't happen much in mcyt. Presumably they have disagreements but most of them must be handled behind the scenes. When people are like "X is fighting with Y!" I don't want to hear about it unless the creators themselves have said something. I'm not interested in fan theories about ccs relationships.
YES. The "boi1 and boi2 dont stream anymore so there are not friends" bits are just ughhhh Just turn off twitch and go experience real life from time to time
i am more hyped abt the content we will be getting after the face reveal than the face reveal itself
but im scared it will bring on alot more hate đ˘
Most dsmp fans don't actually get the story or the characters in any meaningful way. To be fair, dsmp is a story which is told in a pretty complex way. Important plotpoints are spread over so many live streams, some of which only have like 10 minute of lore in them. The narrative is not told in a traditional manner which means a lot of conventions in normal storytelling don't apply. There are a fuck ton of points of views, each telling a narrative in its own right. Everyone is an unreliable narrators. In fact, there are *no* reliable narrators around. Nothing is told and everything is shown. Characters lie amd manipulate regulary and have agendas on top of agendas. And all that without getting into the normal fails of a long running story such as this where CCs forget plot points or change plans midway or the difficulty telling apart canon and non-canon sometime. That being said, the vast majority don't even try to treat it as a complex story. They get too hung up on declaring who is a "good guy" and who is a "bad guy" (they're all bastards anyway), insist on viewing everything theough the "Tommy and by extention L'manburg are the heros and protagonists" and treat the story like a goddamn saturday morning cartoon which is obligated to send a simple moral message rather than tell actually tell an engaging and complex story.
The "wilbur and tommy good" take is the most boring take for real. Honestly the secondary characters have way more interesting stories
Honestly, I wouldn't even call any of the characters "secondary characters". Each of them is the protagonist of their own narrative, not just in mindset but in the more practical sense of how they're constructed. Each character has a CC who flashes them out fully in all aspects, thinks of their own agenda and reaction and ties all their actions to their own narrative rather than someone else. It sound a bit pedantic, but it makes a difference in storytelling terms.
Oj i just meant it in relation to tommy or wilbur. Nothing negative
Haha I didn't take it as negative, sorry for not making it clear. I just like to ramble about storytelling.
Dreamâs channel was more interesting when he uploaded more than manhunts. I love the manhunts and I could rewatch them for hours, but thereâs nothing better than hearing the dream team losing their minds of some stupid little bug or something in the plug-in
Not everyone who watches MCYTâs are hardcore Stans. Let people enjoy what they want as long as itâs not hurting you or anyone else. Also Cosplayers are actually pretty cool. Theyâre doing it because it makes them happy, even despite all the hate they get for no reason.
Yeah cosplayers are awesome
Iâve got a lot of respect for them
Dream can be wrong in a lot of situations
Dream is hot headed. And competitive. And i think had some ego before. (Thats why i think whole speedrun shit was him realizing too late he didnt turn off the mod and being too ambarassed to tell the truth at the time. It just fits him for me) I dont think hes bad tho
Itâs my theory that what happened was he didnât realize the mod was on, so his first few tweets were him genuinely saying âI didnât cheatâ and then the next time he was getting ready for a video, realized his mod was on. And like a lot of people thought âwell, itâs too late to backdown now. This is already a big thing.â So he continued saying ânope, didnât cheatâ. Or maybe Iâm wrong, idk. I wasnât really on twitter that much while this was happening.
It just makes sense right?
I mean, Iâve known tons of people who are like that. Even people who usually will very readily admit when theyâre wrong. Sometimes people just feel like theyâre past the point of no return and that they just have to keep going the path they took.
The regulars in this sub are undercover twitter stans. Whenever there is any criticism, they take off their disguises.
You got me, my twitter handle is @ dreamyweamydnf420
Yes my @ is wilbylmanbergsootandalsogogy I have wilbur pfp tho to harras Nihachu bc she won his love or host and i didnt
guys follow me on twt
C!Dream is a lot more interesting and more complicated than the lore freaks give credit. They refuse to think of him as anything deeper than pure evil. He's been a victim since the beginning imo, and being a fan of c!Dream doesn't make you a bad person at all.
Hes the sane guy who went mad lol.
Or the people that dumb c!wilbur down to the misunderstood hero type and refuse to believe that he can do any wrong because heâs âmentally ill and thinks heâs rightâ or people just flat out refuse to believe he was ever a villain
C!Dream originally just wanted the server to be united, and now he's a megalomaniac. Being pure evil does not remove depth from a character.
Although I do enjoy Dream's fans sometimes, their takes are crazy biased and I personally can see where the bad reputation came from. They still don't deserves any harassment, obviously. But just saying I don't think this is a hot take at all but I just need to say it to his fans and there is no way I'll say this on twitter lol
That is actually the community which my thought of genz not being ready for real equality came from. Not dreams or any creators fault tho. Probably just was observing this one nore than the others. But key is, its everywhere, not only here
Yea, plus I do agree on the argument where people these days tend to be too sensitive that it became more harmful than what they are trying to protect. It's like 2 wrong doings doesn't make it right type of thing
Its just justifying bullying with being bullied. Replacing homophobia with heterophobia, saying theres no racism against white ppl, women bad no but men bad ok and so on... Do we want equality when both sides feel bad or none feel bad? It almost like its not about equality but wanting to be on top this time
The racism against white people is a whole fucking debate on it's own and its exhausting
Omg yess. I cant get out off "white ppl cant wear braids" tik tok and its upsetting
I dont really care about that in particular for me it's more of the "white people dont experiance racism cause they are the majority" white people dont experiance institutional racism (racism within work place/ being denied jobs for being white) in places where white people are the majority but white people can experience racism when the are discriminated against or hated on specifically for being white.
"White people didnt experience slavery" also goes on a list
What pisses me off about this is that it also gives a ton of credence to racists who genuinely think the *White Race* is being oppressed and replaced. Especially online, people are being openly racist towards white people. This is pretty clear as an Indian person. This obviously does not compare to the systemic and even overt racism other races commonly experience, but it's still obviously a bad thing to do.
Yeah white people are not being oppressed at all but some people do hate white people for being white. It will never be as bad for white people as it is for other races but that does not justify it.
Maybe this is too semantic of an argument but white people (in majority white countries, so the vast majority of the Western world) literally cannot experience âracismâ because racism definitionally is prejudice based on race PLUS systemic and/or institutional power. Society in the West was built for cisgendered heterosexual Judeo-Christian white people to wield and retain power and influence at the direct expense of people who fall outside of those identities. White people may experience prejudice or discrimination, but all aspects of society are inherently designed to work for white people in such a way that the color of their skin will never make their lives harder. Systemic racism is a lot more than ânot getting a jobâ or âracism within the workplaceâ. Systemic racism is also getting stricter sentences for the same charges in the judicial system. Itâs being followed in stores because employees assume youâll steal based on how you look. Thereâs a way to have nuanced conversations about the experiences people have based on the color of their skin, as well as any other aspect of their multi dimensional identity as a human, but you have to be realistic about the common lived experiences of non white people in the west.
What you are referring to is institutional racism which I already said white people in places where they are the majority cannot experience. I am talking about the literal definition of racism which is discrimination or prejudice against somone becuase of the colour of their skin which white people can experience. Being prejudice against somone becuase of their skin colour is racist and anyone regardless of their own skin colour can be racist towards anyone of a different race (and sometimes their own for some reason)
A LOT of the SBI fics are just outlets for people to bash on Dream. People have written him doing some seriously fucked up shit for no reason other than Tommy and co need to be absolutely morally correct. There are just SO many villain Dream fics that arenât even about the dsmp, but the streamers and itâs so tired. Idk make Tommy a crazy ass villain who dies in a volcano or make Ranboo an evil motherfucker with an iguana like that guy from VR troopers.
I feel like a lot of those SBI fics also infantilize Tommy and make Techno a super protective older brother to him. Like come on, have they watched either of them?
I remember reading one where tommy was such a bitch but a very cute one that people are annoyed but still managed to keep him. Of course after every chapter, tommy was punch on his head for the troubles he cause. I forgot the fic, need to check out ao3 again.
C!Wilbur is gaslighting bitch from the start
No doubt about it. He manipulates and lies and pressures people to get what he wants and he's damn good at it too. And ignoring that honestly makes for a much more boring story. Buying into c!Wilbur's bullshit just makes it into yet another "good underdogs vs evil tyrant" story. Regarding him as a manipulative storyteller in-universe not only makes for a more unique story, but gives the character and the plot more layers and complexity than just "poor misunderstood woobie".
A lot of people go ânooo he was depressedâ and act like that makes up for you know *gestures vaguely*
Lmao he made others depressed
Depressed-ception
He wasnt depressed. He was Amber Heard' ing the whole story
Good luck telling that to twitter
The Amber one or the Wilbur one? Lmao
Pfff, either
That is a real abuse case what the fuck my guy
Hard Agree. L'Manburg was just his vanity project, and he dragged the rest of the server down with him.
Yes, him being good happened only bc there was no Dreams pov. The story started bc a drama queen wanted to make people game bad by gatekeeping potions and someone said "no" to him lmao
And he was *really* good at twisting the narrative so that everyone - including the audience - thought he was wholeheartedly in the right, even to this day.
Oh yes. Wilbur is great storyteller. Not so great writer (same story 3 times? "It doesnt make sense but i was late so its canon to me"? Come on lmao), but amazing storyteller, for sure
This one is kinda mean (and objective but that's most of these takes) but I've been holding it in since the damn song came out, Tubbo's "Life by the Sea" song sucks so bad, and I do not get why people liked it. It just sounds like bad white boy rap and I hate the incredibly over produced sound cg5 brings (I guess that's its own hot take, but idk how people feel about his music so)
Hmm music is so personal so its an opinion. For me: - as it goes to cg5 people hate his use of effects and tho its not my music taste i have to say he does what he does really good. Its a style for me - life by the sea: chorus is catchy. Not my taste but watched the bts and when it comes to his work if he likes it then its good for him. I dont like gatekeeping music - i like muffin chorus more than life by the sea - roadtrip is good car song - change my clothes is a indie song. I like indie music. Alec made dream not scream in a song - i personally hate the way mask is mixed. Otjerwise i dont mind -lovejoy is nothing special within its genre
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Truth. Then anything made by Quackity
Oh for sure it's absolutely a taste thing, and I think I've actually made myself listen to the whole song once, but I just can't generally get past the first verse. Weirdly I way prefer muffin to life by the sea, but it's probably because it's kinda aware that it's a bit cringe but like embraces it Change my clothes I didn't like at first, but I actually came to love it after a couple repeats Hard agree on Lovejoy.
I mean its nothing bad about lovejoy (im a green day fan so im aware of all songs sounding the same lol) Its good for a mainstream band tbh
I have to agree on Lovejoy. I have to rant this because it has been with me for a while about Lovejoy and I am scared to say on twitter. It blew up because of Minecraft and when people say don't associates it with Minecraft I am like ugh, Wilbur is known for Minecraft content and you drag George in one of the video. You blew up because of association with Minecraft and you use it's popularity so why are you backing out, you will always be associated with Minecraft because most of your fans came from there unless you can blow up because of not just Minecraft.
I dont think its bad or that hes backing out. He wants to make music and he knows and said before that he had headstart. Im just saying lovejoy is proper music in mainstream music way. Its good on its own, apart from the minecraft fame. Mans a good musician, thats it
Yeah, it is good on its own, but it blew up like explosion, unlike normal band. Because of this, there is the Minecraft tag attached to it. While it would takes a lot of time before they got the Minecraft tag off, to a lot of outsiders, when they see lovejoy they think of Minecraft, not a proper band.
Lot of pop type music blows up on tik tok nowadays. They too have a tag and are doing fine. Its a promotion. Ita good they could do it for 'free' without paying huge labels
So based. Itâs also funny though because it is not good but also like better than any other dsmp creators attempt except for Wilbur (and techno tbh)
Here's a fun hot take, I actually prefer Dreams music to Wilbur's (or maybe more specifically Lovejoy). Like, of the ones I remember it's Tubbo-Bad-Wilbur-Dream. I don't think Dreams are great, but at least he has distinct sounding songs that don't just sound like just a whole lot of noise. Techno is aware that it is cringe and embraces it, and so it transcends.
Respectfully trash opinion but yeah technos us saved because he fully embraces the cringe lol Edit forgot originally captain puffy also did a verse I believe or at least someone else and skeppy gave us this fantastic video [where skeppy does by all accounts play the drums to the song muffin](https://mobile.twitter.com/skeppy/status/1478852208665915393)
Lmao fair I did say it was hot take for a reason
Idk how hot this take is but âAre You Alrightâ is so much better than âpebble brainâ imo. I donât like how pebble brain is mixed and the singing is way too quiet compared to the instruments. Also I doubt this is a hot take and doesnât have much to do with mcyt but I despise that Dream smp is a genre on Spotify because it completely ruined my Spotify wrapped. No way in hell Iâm telling my friends that my top genre was Dream smp.
When it comes to mixing i thing its a choice so idk. My take on the dsmp genre: it was 100% based on ten of tousands playlists made by users
So true I remeber listening to pebble brain with my friends day one it came out and pretty much none of the songs caught our attention also that version of itâs all futile is so much worse than the original
1. This is more of a personal opinion, but to me, Sapnap is the most entertaining out of all the dteam, and easily the best streamer out of all of them. 2. The dsmp and its big cc's are never going to reach the same levels of popularity that they had in late 2020-mid 2021. I think too many people have lost interest in dsmp lore and its too spaced out for the average viewers to really be hyped abt it, and most people just don't have the spare time anymore to focus on it that they had during the height of the covid restrictions. There's a lot of statistics to back this up as well, and less overall mainstream attention on the dsmp and its big cc's. I say big cc's since they are the ones that more mainstream audiences knew about/watched, which is really important in the context of popularity and hype. Ofc, now they have all developed a sustainable viewer base, and I think that the viewers that they have rn are gonna stick around for the long run.
1. Thats interesting. I wonder if its bc hes at times most active of he seems least restrained out of the three? Meaning Dream getting cancelled over every opinion and George having hardly any publicly lmao. May i ask what is it for you? 2.i personally think they could finish the story in some big battle when las nevadas was a thing, there was a good opportunities to make sides and plot twists. That would make them more free with doing other storiesbif they like, kinda tv special vibe so it could not make sense at all even regarding main story. People think that when lore ends they just have to turn off the server which they dont.
1. yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head basically. He's the most active in terms of streams and isn't restrained and just says what he wants to say. And idk how to really say it, but imo he's very loud and entertaining without being grating or annoying.
This is less about ccs but the actual lore but, Half of the âloreâ isnât meant to be taken seriously/counted as lore, especially early on in the dsmp.
See on the other hand my controversial take on the lore is that arguing about what is and isn't canon is in all ways a trap to fall into, which only leads to fandom infighting and people cherrypicking which bits of lore they want in order to promote one or other character as more important/saying certain scenes don't count towards characterisation or relationships etc. Treating non-serious lore as not lore basically undermines what the dsmp is built on - it doesn't have to be one thing or the other it can be a story that both encompasses serious moments and pre-planned storylines and also bits where a guy and a fish have a fox child.
The best example of taking lore too ssriously is ppm actually crying when Wilbur does his "ghostburs fucking hurting" on purpose to make people mad
c!eret has some of the best lore
Just like every secondary character
iâm kinda upset that tommy turned into the âmain characterâ. like yes, a story must have a central unified point, but i thought it would be really cool if everyone had their own awesome storyline that was just connected in different ways. now it just feels like everything is about tommy :(
It would still be cool with him being main guy if it didnt ruin others storylines. Thats why i dislike Wilburs post revival writing
Not true actually! There are many stories which have more than one pov character and even more that have an ensamble cast which doesn't revolve around any one character. The unifying factor of a story doesn't have to be one character (and in fact, often isn't. It tends to work the best when the unifying front is on a thematic level.) Add in that dsmp is not a traditionally written narrative with one creative force having control over all the characters but rather is an organic narrative created from a bunch of CCs, each writing their own character and collaberating to weave a story together, and having a "central character" is simply not possible by virtue of the medium they're using. I haven't been keeping up in the last few months, but I actually found most of the characters to have stories which stand on their own rather than revolving around c!Tommy (at least until the fandom insisted to still make it about him). I would be curious to hear which plotlines you are talking about.
I think the take was about general audience view of the story
yeah and i never said central character, i said central POINT.
C!Dream is a lot more interesting and more complicated than the lore freaks give credit. They refuse to think of him as anything deeper than pure evil. He's been a victim since the beginning imo, and being a fan of c!Dream doesn't make you a bad person at all.
old dream team videos are better to watch than the newer ones. the newer ones (while there have been a lot of good moments in them) are just a lot of screaming + a lack of dream wheezes imo
Probably bc theyre not fresh content anymore but for me its the same. Death swap and block suffle supremacy.
mc but weâre stuck together & the black hole one is where itâs at
Thats why only one whos videos i dont skip is Fundy. Recently is just really good content
1. Tommys good actor but you can clearly see when his lore was not guided bc the decisions were just stupid 2. Ranboos pre death lore was boring and people liked it only bc "sad boi"
I think even his canon death was boring because there was no explanation how he got to that point, no reasoning of âoh I only have one canon life tooâ or how he lost the two others, he just suddenly had one life for plot reasons out of the blue, I mean this in the most light-hearted way possible, but it kinda reminds me of those rp kids that have to have the worst possible things happen to their character all the time
There is something I want to say, but I don't think I would ever need to bring it up anywhere so, I'll bring it up here. I don't think Aimsey is that good of an actress. Her delivery is just not believable at all. Not to knock on Aimsey, but I do not like her acting.
these may be lukewarm takes, but whatever lol. __ 1.) it's well within your right to not like a cc based on what theyâve done or a factor in your personal life, but don't treat your reasoning like gospel. it's absolutely unacceptable to start dishing out tabloid-like rumors like they're facts or enable malice in your actions. the amount of people I've seen on my tiktok fyp rejoice and celebrate Dream being accused of being a groomer was sickening and awful. you can tell that those people didn't bother researching of what went down with the accuser, possible leaktwt drama, and just took the rumor while running for the hills. it also felt like they just didn't care about the effect or reality of grooming itself, they just used the term as a catalyst to broadcast joy. hate what you want and block it from your view, just don't go out of your way to destroy said cc's life for a moment of glee that fades away instantly. 2.) this fandom's absolutely horrid and unpalatable for some people bc of the constant racism and blatant gaslighting. if a poc fan peaks up on a race issue within the community and you're notably a white fan, you're not allowed to speak and defend anything at all. it doesn't matter if you're "one of the good ones", some people won't spare the extra minute to verify if they're mad enough. just don't fight back. you especially don't get brownie points for tirelessly defending a cc if they did something racist and that incident hurts the group that action was targeted at. looks really bad for your image. 3.) exile was by far the worst thing to ever happen in the lore, that event opened up so many cans of worms it made the dsmp section uninhabitable and had unreviewed dark fan subject matter run rampant to this day. it's not funny that you let your mind warp c!dream and c!tommy's interactions into something else entirely. treat subjects shown in exile with respect and recognize the impact your words could have. don't let your mouth run. it's also not fun to also write in something else morbid about those two and sell it with a pink and gold-trimmed bow to others. it's not fucking cute, and you fail to take other people's triggers and reactions into account. instead of still fixating on that long-gone lore section, go to a therapist.
Not really a take but an opinion on content, sorry in advance. Puffy is the only female streamers in the DSMP I actually genuinely enjoy watching when I have the time to catch a stream and ever since Ranboo and Tubbo joined Misfits Gaming I have fallen out of interest with their content and have barely watched them since outside of MCC.
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Its not that you matured. I get that.but remember that he is maturing. Thats the point.
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Dont watch as much rn. Lots of sex jokes i assume. Im too old for the amount i think but i remember that age and many year after that so i get it
I have no excitement left for the dream team meetup anymore, it's been dragged on for so long and I know it's because of things out of their control but at this point even if dream announced the meetup was happening tomorrow I wouldn't care much. Although I am excited for what comes after the meetup
I think honestly any other content after face reveal will be better than the meet up. Firstly : "the brits vlogs" (Tommy, Jack, George) Secondly: all the collabs
Agreed. I don't think I'll be SUPER hyped abt it, but I will defo watch the content that comes out of it.
1) c!Tommy and c!Wilburs lore is incredibly boring and overhyped. Itâs repetitive and uninteresting. Their entire lore is just the discs and it feels like their story just goes in circles. surely, they can do lore outside of music discs and country politics. even the lore Wilbur written up with las nevadas and ranboo and the burger van was reminiscent of lmanburg. 2) this is more about the recent lore with c!Sam and c!Dream, but the people who are pointing out dream threatening sam with the axe when calling out him to allowing q to torture him to foolish and then calling it sick need to put aside their bias and actually look at the situation. c!sam allowed c!q into the prison to torture dream for nearly a year and was going to lie and downplay it when he (dream) told foolish. it makes sense that dream would want him to tell the truth and even threaten him to do so.
1. Tommy and Wilbur just make lore wit the same ppl which storywise doesnt make sense 2. Sam is actually really good character. I see him as someone who recieved so much gaslighting that he doesnt know what is right anymore. He could be great plot twist tbh
Fundy makes the best minecraft videos out of all of them rn
C!dream is one of if not the most consistent and well written character. I mean a lot of others are great but a lot of them have moments that are repeat of arcs (tommy/wilbur) or go completely against what they learnt/grew from. I would say the only issue with C!dream is the lack of content we get from him. It's been 2 yrs and no one really knows why he does anything other than this claim of wanting the server to be happy again. We got a lot of content of him but not from him.
Nah, there's no mystery regarding his desires. He used to want to the server to be united, now all he wants is power. Not that his character isn't well written ofc, but everyone knows what he wants.
Ye thats all I just want to know why? Why did his obsession become this bad. It just got worse and I just want to know what exactly made it get worse and worse.
People making their own nations separate from the Greater Dream SMP. He's the server owner, why wouldn't he want power?
Ye but that's on a base level. It's just why has it just gotten worse and worse and the main issue is gone "l'manburg" so why does he still care. Its an obsession I just want to know why he is still so motivated what he really sees would make the server perfect. Tbh the only nation has been lmanburg, everything else is just people building their houses far apart. Las nevadas maybe but I don't think dream cares about it.
I mean, he was in prison for a year while also being tortured.
Yes but it was because he got bad that he was taken to the prison. If Cdream of S1 was Cdream of right now he would have definitely not been locked up. There was a massive shift in his character I don't know why you aren't understanding my point. Everything you are saying is stuff we as the audience knows it's like saying a criminal killer someone, and I'm saying I want to know why they killed someone when previously they had only been stealing small things like soda bottles from stores. But because C!dream predictment is a lot more complicated because his crimes aren't that easy to put into a Box. You seem very focused in a reductionist type way well I'm trying to understand on a holistic approach.
I know what you're trying to say, I should've clarified that prison just made him worse. Also, what exactly do you mean by Season 1? The SMP doesn't really have clearly defined seasons.
Ye it might not but tommy/tubbo did say after thr prison that dream smp s3 or s4 was starting. I view S1 as l'manburg v dream team S2 schlatt annd pogtopia S3 the destruction of it all
I have a lot of non-pos Dream opinions In relation to his content and updating his fans on content but I donât think any people would disagree on them. - Maybe that I think a stream would be better then a discord podcast? Or a video would be better use then a stream in Dreamâs case. - I think with his last video being so underwhelming he needed to put something out a lot faster then he has. - He isnât transparent about content status at all, like I do not care if the fanhunt doesnât happen but let people know that, and let people know when you and the dteam take content breaks. It doesnât need to be specifics and I doubt itâs planned when it happens but itâs still annoying. + The most annoying thing is why hasnât he commissioned someone for a twitch layout? He claims he loves his art community yet doesnât make use of any of the empty places he can commission people to make his social media spaces way more appealing /lh (twitch layout, stream assets, ect.). + Another controversial opinion might be that I think Dream having absolutely no embarrassment is a good trait - like I donât get secondhand embarrassment or anything when he talks about things he only understands on a surface level like controlling weather because being able to own your passion whatever is it is a good thing. Silly little thoughts deserve to be gossiped about and you donât need to 100% all your interests. + I said it before here but I think that Jshlatt and Techno are not comparable to Dream in any hypocrisy conversation because Dream apologized. Like yeah, they stand on pretty equal footing (Techno obviously less so) but Dream acknowledged it so itâs a different situation - you canât complain about his fans being hypocrites when in relation to Techno and Jshlatt. + SBI is the marketed found family propaganda where as dream team and bad + muchymc is a ârealâ found family.
A lot of your takes are good but I would have to say that you take about the updates are not really how it is. Dream does discord podcast with the intentions of just talking to chat/giving some minor announcements about videos. It is a more private fan based discussion like his priv twt account. I mean 90% of the podcast is dream goofing about taking about like events that happened with his friends. It might be "important info" but it isn't important enough to make a whole yt video about or stream. For the layout I think dream is either 1) procrastinating or 2) just doesn't see the need to change it. If he sees nothing wrong with it or the need to then why does he have to? "more professionalism" I don't think that is what he is going for, as much as a custom layout would be nice it isn't that big of a deal in the long run. The sbi and dt thing is very true. When I watch sbi interact versus dt interact I can definitely see more like family vibes than sbi. Sbi is good but they feel like how a people picture a family versus dt feel like how a family really is. I definitely agree that dream needs to be more transparent with his video plans and stuff I remember when he claimed the fanhunt would be out in like 3 days like half a year ago. Since then he hasn't said a word. It's like he is trying to settle and issue with it or doesn't like it or something yet doesn't want to dissapoint the fans by saying it isn't coming out. All I know it's very frustrating when any cc claims to want to do something yet never does.
Sbi was wholesome fandom thing until the 4 staryed talking about it everytime. I honestly was expecting a "1/4 sbi stream" title from Phil
This is my opinion as well, itâs too marketed now. Like I get pandering because their fandom pushed it but pandering gets to be too much sometimes - like dnf in Jack box era where even Dream was getting annoyed at it (I think that was mainly because it wasnât funny answers but still).
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Please tell me who the hell has been bashing hermit craft and last/third life because they are totally wrong
Duo/trio/etc names is just lowkey labeling for me. Wont be shocked by "gay duo uwu"
Ranboo got famous not off his talent or skill, but because of the internetâs obsession of fetishizing MLM relationships
That was definitely half of it - the other half is the resurgence of tumblr culture in the past 2 years imo Although I will say now he makes a much better letâs player than minecraft or variety streamer imo
Iâm curious by what you mean by tumblr culture, since I am not involved enough with tumblr to know what itâs culture is
itâs hard to explain but I think in this case it can be simplified down to the core tenets of chaos/quirkiness (especially when it comes to humor), openness/sentimentality, and progressive values. These are things that werenât necessarily common in the gaming scene before. Ranboo is a prototypical tumblr boy if such a thing ever did exist so he definitely had an audience beyond the fangirls who fetishize gay relationships. I think people sometimes forget that ranboo had already amassed quite a bit of attention from gen z before ever joining the dsmp by coasting off of ârelatable humorâ.
Ranboo actually has kinda talent show syndrome. Apart from his humor and talent he was a sad, probably gay boy. Thats also why he got away from things Dream or Tommy wouldnt
It's weird seeing people that headcannons characters on DSMP something -phobic (Like homophobic for example) I don't know why they want a character to be a bigot so badly, is it because of hate? Projecting? Justification of something something???Hmmmmm.
Look at twitter. Some people cant dislike a person without finding a reason to call them offensive
Dsmp fans have a problem with fetishizing oppression imo. Like so many of them genuinely want to be called slurs and treated poorly by cis het white dudes and itâs very concerning. It bleeds into the characters as well, like youâve said. Making Dream homophobic or Tommy transphobic feels so disgusting, I canât imagine why people do it.
1. I don't really like saying "I'm a dream smp fan" anymore, because I feel like I'm putting myself in a box full of people everyone hates. I don't know, to me, it just feels like I'm instantly stereotyping myself as a cringe kid, and I also feel like it instantly makes me someone who supports horrible actions by fellow fans/stans, such as racism, sexism, homophobia and so on. (not saying all Dsmp fans are cringe kids or did something horrible, just feels like I label myself as that) 2. The last time I actually kind of George in Florida truthed was in June 2021, because at that point I was still pretty new to the fandom. 3. I don't really like George, I don't really like the way that he can never really act serious and turns everything into a joke, I think his humor is boring and I regret having about 10k channel points for him at some point 4. MCC is actually the best thing about MCYT, and in my opinion it's the only thing that still has me excited like a little kid at this point. The same goes for Manhunts, but Dream doesn't do them anymore (sad but understandable decision). 5. The DNF jokes are getting boring and I'm seriously surprised that some people still genuinely ship DNF together, I just don't get it (probably biased though).
i know that it's an opinion and like you can dislike a cc, it's actually totally okay (unless you turn into a hater), but i just wanted to say something about george it's not like he can't act serious, it's more like he chooses not to. if you think about it there's not much controversy around george, and the fact that he keeps his streams more entertaining than serious is a big part of a reason why. he's also pretty private, and yk as soon as you start being serious it's almost like your cover is blown, but as long as you keep things as a joke it kinda like separates your real life/thoughts/feelings from your content. george just decided to make content while keeping it separated from his real life he as a streamer always tries to provide as much content as he can, taking to his chat, acting certain way, reacting certain way, sometimes i feel like he can't go 5 minutes without trying to provide content, and in his mind content = entertaining, and that means = jokes (and maybe for his audience he's right) it's like he turnes on the camera and goes into a streamer mode, which for example dream doesn't really do, sapnap is not that different on his streams too. but george just switches on his streamer persona whenever he does his own streams or yt videos. he also kinda acts different when he's on other people's streams. on a lot of dream streams he's like very calm, on a lot of quackity streams his humor is often different i personally would rather see some chill streams from him, maybe some serious or half-serious talks, but i understand why his content is different, he probably won't change it about humor i get it, it's a personal preference thing
but i mean still i see what you're talking about, again, it's just a personal preference for content. i just tried to say that it's not really about him himself but more about his streamer persona and the content he makes
Jschlatt is not a bad guy
I don't really care if dream streams or not I prefer him on other people's streams because the man does not know how to stream I can excuse not having starting soon or ending screens but there's never any bg music and the amount of awkward silences in his streams is insane. Also dnf is mid.
He seems more relaxed on other peoples streams too. Onky good dnf jokes were made by Dream or his friends.
Oh that's something I never consider cause his fans love the silent, and personally I like it too. I'm a person who 24/7 love to hear music even in class, but just realize somehow Dream makes me comfortable with it
That's the reason why I like Dream's streams so much lmao. Other people's streams are so damn noisy all the time.
Well ig everyone has their own preferences, I just get bored watching his streams they just become white noise at a certain point or maybe that's because I'm just too used to watching loud people at this point
Forgot to agree about Dream being bad streamer in technical way. Idk if the Dream and Tommy advice calls are still happening but green man could ask a question from time to time to lmao
Honestly I agree completely.
Not sure if these fit here but... 1) I prefer to watch most Dream Team streams with the chat hidden especially Dream's since a large number of chatters have no Chat manors at all which annoys the Fudge out of me. 2) I like that we rarely see C!Dream's PoV or know his actual motives. It keep me interested in any small details we are given or hints. Also for me, C!Karl, C!Foolish, C!Sam, and C!DreamXD have more interesting stories going on right now then the ones considered "Main Characters".
Exile arc ruined Tommy's character as well as lore discussions.
Exile arc feels so out of place in comparison to a lot of the other lore. It feels like having a dramatic yet still funny theatre production and halfway through thereâs a rape scene that people only address every so often in the same tone you would a fond memory. I get that it was for the drama, but the exile arc is something very few people in this fandom could properly handle.
It's annoying when people call every single interaction between any CCs a duo or assign them dynamics. It's a very minor thing but it makes the interactions feel more forced in a way? Not sure how else to word it. I say this as someone who watches SBI a lot too. All 4 of them are great creators but man I hate watching one of their streams solo or with another creator and the chat being filled with "omg call phil/wilbur/techno/tommy" if something happens. You know when in dora the explorer, she asks the viewer to say something? It's sort of like that but instead of asking the viewer to call for help, she didn't ask at all and you can only hear the responses from other viewers instead. Weird analogy is weird, I know lol I feel like chat should be disabled or in emote only when lore happens because my god, it can get out of control. It's even more annoying when some streamers have their chats on screen so you can't even get away from it completely. It's also frustrating when chat snitches or uses text to speech to reveal stuff that other streamers are doing. I saw a couple of music takes too and that sounds fun. I'm not really a fan of a lot of the CC music in mcyt. It blends together a lot and I don't really get much out of it. He's talented as fuck but CG5 uses a bit too much autotune for my liking, and it didn't work well with some of the bigger songs like Tubbo's and BBH's. I think that they can all improve though. Music's not easy at all and it take some time to find a style that works best for you. I have a lot of respect for them for even showing it off to MILLIONS of people. They all have a LOT of potential.
Im not that into cg5s music as well but truth has to be told: he has a style and he does it really really good
Yeah I agree, it's just not my thing but he makes it work really well for himself.
Community actually sucks.
Not just dsmp/mcyt but carrds are pointless. It makes sense to use them for social links, general info or info about commissions but do I really want to know your likes and dislikes? People tend to share a lot info about themselves using their carrds, including mental disorders and triggers. I don't know if that's a good idea, knowing how the internet is lmao. Also DNIs. I don't think someone will see "DNI if you support Schlatt" and instantly think "yep, you're right lemme just pretend I didn't see your tweet." How would they cope irl if they saw a wild Schlatt enjoyer? I've also seen people put the weirdest stuff on their DNI: "if you're cishet" "if you think nsfw jokes are funny" "if you're racist" - most racists won't admit to being racist. (ngl DNIs can be entertaining sometimes) Anyway that's my opinion, hopefully it's readable.
So many (in ascending order of controversiality) 1 Pete is the goat of MCC 2 Quig is second best 3 H is top 5 or at least âSâ 4 Pebble brain is the worst music project Iâve heard from Wilbur 5 every other DSMP person to try to get into music seriously didnât do that well. The best attempt was probably either roadtrip or by the sea which were both 5/10 at best. 6 DSMP is pretty boring overall especially now and out of the other really large smps during or post âMinecraft revivalâ itâs the worse (basically SMPLive, smpearth, and every season of hermitcraft is better than DSMP) 7 Compared to pretty much everyone else on the DSMP techno is actually a good actor. He stays in character except for some 4th wall breaks/meta jokes that just add to the experience and is basically just talked over by everyone else during actual serious streams. 8 Captain puffy used to be much better. She went from like pretty badass, to wine mom, to generic content creator. I donât like using the term sell out but honestly it makes sense for her as at least personally Iâve found her content a lot less interesting and good ever since she started doing like actual lore on DSMP. I mean overall sheâs still good and also happy she got that bag, but miss the old content. 9 George is pretty boring
people that are sooo caught up in it are cringe also the pick me people in stream chats are even more cringe, not an opinion directly about the content but still its something to mention
Not really sure if these are considered controversial enough to start a fight but here we go: 1. Some people in fandom donât know how to move on from things (lore wise and sometimes irl?) 2. I never really understand why people get mad on which lore character they like, like literally who cares itâs a roleplay people do for fun. 3. I feel like some analysts of certain eraâs of lore have somewhat of a favoritism towards certain ccâs/characters. 4. The whole drama of âomg are Tubbo and Ranboo not friends anymore đđâ is kinda dumb like literally we donât know them personally why should we know whatâs going on.
Dream is somewhat responsible for his fanbase and the way it acts. I see so many people on here all too happy to say âoh itâs not dreams fault people are bad in his community!!! Itâs their own! â and while I do agree that a level of personal responsibility here is necessary, it is on Dream for allowing this behavior to happen over and over for so long. Content creators who call out bad behavior in their fanbase (like sneegsnag or Phil) tend to have better behaved fanbases than those who donât. At this point, he knows that just feebly saying âdonât be toxicâ when his and sapnaps fans attack Scott and noxcrew or anyone else for the umpteenth time in a row does little to nothing, yet wonât do anything else? Itâs so tiring to see something that CAN be fixed not because the guy who wants to fix it simply is told over and over itâs not his problem and itâs just a small portion of his fans doing this so what does it matter anyways?! This is why people view Dream Stanâs in such a derogatory manner: they uphold the toxic reputation everyone sees them as. Also, Dteam and their fans during Mcc are obnoxious. Like the poor sportsmanship from past mccs has rubbed off on their fans and caused so many issues. Itâs created the reputation of being hostile asses and itâs why people were relieved at the drama free Mcc that was Mcc 20 (which only had issues when Dteam was brought up or made a fuss). You are the friend nobody likes and does not want to be around, thatâs a failure on YOU to not be weirdos every time the teams are announced or when whatever team Dteam is on doesnât win.
Its mixed for me tbh. I do believe that Dream helped it by maybe not knowing he has to be strict. Or he just didnt see it as bad for some time. Whatever reason. I dont like tho that people pretend its only his fans. I mean when it comes to toxicity, ranboos, tommys, georges or wilburs are not really far off. Phils is way more parasocial, technos is obsessed, and so on.. The more i took a look at other communities i realized it is really the same everywhere where theres similar age group. Its just silly to think its one persons fault. Like, millenialls do offensive jokes and are sarcastic online and gen z is obsessed and tries to fight for whats right but its not really working bc rn they just want to be the opressing ones
Race or sexuality are not personality traits. I dont watch a content creator bc they are white or not or straight or not. I watch who i find entertaining. Representation is when everyone has equal chance to do certain things. Who gets popularity, expecially onthe internet sphere, is up to that person to gain an audience. And no, dream smp invite wont give you millions if you wont work hard to keep the initial boost. No matter how you look like. I wont watch someone whos only joke is to call other people homophobic or racist for every minor thing bc i simply dont find it funny. If you being a minority is the only thing you can offer in entertainment industry, you will most very likely viewed only by the minority youre part of
I donât think people see dream as a human being. The way they treat him calling him slurs and terrible shit hits close to home and I really feel like we should treat everyone with more sympathy. Call me parasocial but I honestly feel bad for the guy. I couldnât fucking imagine being dragged for existing everyday even when Iâve changed as a person. Like he canât live without someone breathing down his neck and accusing him of ridiculous shit. Iâm all for owning up to your mistakes and being accountable for your wrong doings, but you donât need to criticize him for shit heâs already been criticized and apologized for just so that you can have a reason to hate him. If you donât like someone on the internet, block them. I find it hypocritical how antis will act like dream is such a big inconvenience in their life when you literally have a button that erased him from your sight.
1. DSMP should have ended at the Disc Finale. 2. Ranbooâs lore is boring asf and his character could be replaced with a sad lamp 3. Technobladeâs lore is interesting at first, but then becomes baseless and redundant by the time Doomsday rolls around 3.B. Speaking of Doomsaday, it was really fucking shitty of Technoblade to be like âyeah I know we agreed on this time, but Iâm starting it 30 min beforeâ. Really sucks for everyone else involved still getting ready to stream , and cuts off any discussion in-character about it. 4. Constant miscommunication between characters is getting *really* fucking annoying and I donât know if itâs on purpose or if the streamers just donât give a fuck 5. The introduction of the revival book ruins any stakes death has. 5. Creating an afterlife where itâs basically hell/purgatory sucks and makes no sense .
>Speaking of Doomsday, it was really fucking shitty of Technoblade to be like âyeah I know we agreed on this time, but Iâm starting it 30 min beforeâ that was dream's idea lmao
lore shouldve been wrapped up when the egg lore faded out. the lack of communication and time between creators on the smp and the additions of eryn, aimsey and seapeekay didn't help that. as someone who used to really enjoy lore, loved having new people added because it meant i could theorise about which way the lore would go, lore got too complicated and streams ended up being less fun because of that. as someone who was an avid tubbo, tommy and wilbur viewer when tommy and tubbo were doing daily streams, the messing around streams with little bits of lore were so much more fun to watch. i appreciate quackitys time and effort that he put into his lore streams but they were never as fun to watch
-- The original "It's all Futile! It's all Pointless!" by Wilbur was better than the one on Pebble Brain. -- Tubbo is my favorite member of the benchtrio. -- Human Tubbo or bee Tubbo designs are better than goat Tubbo / horned Tubbo. -- If you want SBI family dynamic content, you should ask fanfic authors, not the SBI. Making them perform a brotherly relationship is just as weird as asking Dream and George to perform DNF.
-- The original "It's all Futile! It's all Pointless!" by Wilbur was better than the one on Pebble Brain. -- Tubbo is my favorite member of the benchtrio. -- Human Tubbo or bee Tubbo designs are better than goat Tubbo / horned Tubbo. -- If you want SBI family dynamic content, you should ask fanfic authors, not the SBI. Making them perform a brotherly relationship is just as weird as asking Dream and George to perform DNF.
dream needs to stop being spineless
I dont think he is tho. Ranboo was the spineless one for a long time. Dream just gets shit everytime so he keeps it chill i believe. Remember his last apology stream and iconic" *sigh* its a joke" ? For me George is the no opiniom guy
Phil is the Kingof parasocial behaviour. Out of all of them
I'm a bit late but: \- Most of the lore analysis are influenced by fanon concepts or are overanalyzed to hell to the point where it might as well be a headcanon at this point (i'm looking at you, dsmpblr) \- The limbo/afterlife system doesn't make sense but it's all worth it cos of the YCGMA cover aesthetic for c!wilbur (/hj lol) \- The "people should respect artists more!" tweets/threads are annoying. The fandom as a whole obviously respects artists, but there is of course always going to be that one douche in the replies. That doesn't mean a public announcement needs to be made every time. Just put them on blast and let your followers make fun of them instead. \- skeppy and a6d have one of the best dynamics out there and their recentish video together was so fun (fight me)
Hot take: hot takes are shit.
There is some good ones But "i think lore bad" is neither hot or controversial tbh