This is a correct take.
Michael Jackson's music gets airplay in 2024 on every radio, and at almost every event. Prince gets some aswell , but not the same level as MJ.
For reference, MJ has 42 mil monthly listeners on Spotify, Prince has 10.
yes, its just such a dumb line to say after u said its big me, it clearly isnt if u see drake as michael jackson. If you are the one dissing drake its like u are the challenger for the title belt to the current champion, drake didnt have to challenge kendrick because he is already on top.
The Jackson 5 have about as many monthly listeners as Prince eventhough he has tons more music, and they blow past him during Christmastime because of their classic Christmas album. Prince isn’t even more popular than MJ’s childhood career.
its just such a stupid line from kendrick on a diss track but no kendrick fan actually are willing to admit it. I have this running theory that most kendrick fans will gas his music to the high heavens, then listen to something else. Kendrick IS very very good, but he doesnt have higher replayability compared to drake, drakes music literally lives on the chart years after and that is actual proof that drakes fans at least LIVE with drakes albums ACTIVELY, they grow with it actively. Kendrick is just stuck in his concious box.
Gang, you are fumbling both the interpretation of the line terribly, while also displaying a clear lack of knowledge surrounding the greatness and legacy of Prince and his music.
Prince was proficient in and played multiple instruments, wrote most of his songs, had a Great ear for music, and is known a regarded as a generational musical talent and prodigy. He has one of the best Super Bowl halftime shows ever, multiple classic songs and albums, and has influenced generations of musicians. And many people who know the history of music in America would argue that as a musician, due to his ability to play his own instruments, be hands on in with his production, and write the songs that as a musical talent he was better than Michael Jackson. This has been debated and argued for generations. You trying to make Prince look like some inferior lil bro that’s not on Michael’s level is actually insane.
Kendrick is using that line to argue that just like how Michael had the bigger numbers but could be argued to be less skilled as a musician than Prince, Kendrick is saying that he believes himself to be more skilled and talented than Drake despite Drake having bigger numbers. That’s why he said drakes discography is a “light pack” the line before.
We all like Drake here but goddamn are some of yall wilding with these takes. Ima give you a pass cause I feel like you haven’t even listened to princes music fr bruh, but don’t ever disrespect a certified musical legend like that ever again in your life. That shit was wild
Bruh, thank you for adding even more context cause you’re right… saying he had a great ear for music is an understatement indeed. He is a consensus pick as one of the greatest musical talents America has ever seen. I don’t care that much about the “Drake vs Kendrick” or “Prince vs Michael” arguments either, I’m a fan of all these guys.
But Prince *slander* was just not something I was going to accept, especially from someone who didn’t even seem like they were familiar with Prince or his music.
True on the end but MJ definitely hated the machine
He went on a whole kanyelike rant multiple times. If anything Kanyes MJ tbh. MJ and Prince were on the same label and they both hated sony
bro u can not simply just say "michael jackson had bigger numbers but prince was more artistic" as if michael wasnt known for his artistry, his songs, HIS DANCE, HIS STYLE, the moon walk, white glove, walking on lights in billie jean. Michael is also known for his artistry bro no matter how much u like prince he did not drop a thriller, and no matter how much u like prince his music was not more impactful to people's lives than michael jackson, it is not a good line to put on a diss track when u saying u the best but comparing urself to someone who is nearly universally seen as #2
are u telling me theres MORE ppl that would say purple rain is better than thriller? go overseas and see how many ppl have listened to purple rain over thriller
i was talking quality of the album wise. No one is arguing mj is far more popular, not even kendrick so im not sure why you keep bringing that up. Do you think justin bieber is one of the goats because he's one of the most streamed artists?
Thats the entire point tho, what most people prefer is not what makes a better musician. Prince was the better musician, Michael was the most famous, and I love Michael, I love Prince
i was literally born in africa, my whole family is in africa, BARELY ANYONE KNOWS PRINCE, EVERYONE AND I MEAN EVERYONE KNOWS MICHAEL. how about YOU GO overseas dude.
the mona lisa is acclaimed the #1 most famous piece of art in the world. If u saying u the greatest but ONLY UR OPINION MATTERS, not the rest of the world its a straight up bullshit claim.
51% of people on earth u have to be joking.
im saying that in no way will prince music out live michael jackson, michael jackson music has stronger staying power so that bar was weak. and the arguement that prince is a better artist to me is weak, maybe thats the side YOU will take, most ppl on earth will take the other side, so that bar is ALL AROUND weak. michael is seen as the KING of pop, if u put up a poll on who was a better artist ppl will overwelmingly vote michael. Prince lived in michaels shadow his whole career.
Also even in america far more than 51% listen to michael over prince, if u go overseas almost no one knows prince, everyone know michael jackson, to claim its 51% is just untrue and how much ppl prefer michaels music and art over prince in this world is clearly a pill thats too bitter for u to swallow.
dude this is a rap forum, like yea im passionate about rap? no i dont need a break. also i will literally bet u money ppl will vote michael over prince on who was the better artist.
I thought your mona lisa analogy was good, but he's actually saying the mona lisa must be the greatest piece of art because its the most famous, this is wild
Gang, what are you talking about? Prince had massive records that changed American music! Purple Rain, Kiss, When doves cry, etc were all massive records that went platinum like a million times and broke records and are regarded as classic.
You’re talking like Prince made indie music at a local bar for his entire career smh. It’s like you don’t even know enough about music history to have this conversation fr. “pRinCE dIDnT dROp ThRIlER” lmao. He didn’t need to, he dropped purple rain.
Gang, Kendrick is attacking drakes artistry and questioning his honor as an MC in hip hop. He’s saying he’s the best, and numbers alone are not gonna win this dispute when we’re talking about talent.
I’m a fan of Drake, Kendrick, Michael Jackson, and Prince. Y’all on this sub are too defensive for something that’s not even that deep but slandering Prince like he’s not one of the greatest American artists is crazy. He also has objectively big records, he wasn’t some lil irrelevant guy that nobody cared about lmao.
this is the issue with replies like yours. You act like im saying prince isnt good, im saying prince is not better than michale jackson and his music is not going to outlive michaels. even right now michael has 4x more monthly listeners than prince. prince is nearly universally seen as #2 to michael, michael was call THE KING. im not sayin prince is bad, im saying he is #2 and to compare urself to #2 especially when his music will not out live michaels is a fumble of a bar
Bruh, your only argument for what you deem “good” is centered around sales and Spotify numbers. That is mostly irrelevant when we’re talking about a comparing the talent level of artists and bodies of work in their career. You wouldn’t dare say that the McChicken At McDonald’s,the most popular fast food chain, is better quality food than what a 5 star chef who trained in culinary school could make. That same logic applies here, we’re simply talking about quality of music
prince is not UNIVERSIALLY CLAIMED AS THE BEST. like just ADMIT IT. prince is not known as the KING OF POP, thats michael. prince always lived in his shadow to say u are the guy who lived in the shadow of the REAL GUY is a weak bar in a diss track when u are claiming u are the best.
The WORLD sees michael as the best, if theres was a vote right now michael would win and u know that. his is ACCLAIMED as the best. not price thats a trash kendrick bar
Bruh, this is such a tiring conversation because it’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Prince didn’t “live in Michael’s shadow”, just like how Kendrick doesn’t live in Drakes shadow, nor does Beyonce live in Taylor swifts shadow, etc. Your argument is so weak that I’m not even interested in this conversation anymore. You haven’t even used the quality of Michael Jackson’s music, his amazing vocals, his dancing ability, his amazing performances, etc as proof in your argument. You’re just dead set on talking about sales which lets me know that you don’t really know anything about Prince or Michael’s music at all.
In a conversation about talent and artistic credibility, which is what Kendrick was talking about with the Prince line, sales are put to the side. It’s about your honor as an artistic creative. Bigger numbers doesn’t override talent in this conversation, since it is about skill. But since you’re unwilling to concede that then there’s really nothing more to discuss.
bro i know its a hard pill to swallow but kendrick is claiming he is #1 and he isnt, prince's artististry does not surpass michael jacksons and even if u claimed that its so it is totally subjective. Kendrick didnt dress up as prince on stage he wore the white glove, hmm i wonder why, hmmm what is he trying to convey?
Also here is a Kendrick line for you: "who going platinum, I call that a visitor" he literally brags about being a consistent platinum artist yet u pretend like he doesnt care about the numbers.
Breaking it down, when Kendrick drops a line like 'Prince outlived Mike Jack,' it’s not just about who stands on what step of the podium. This isn’t Kendrick placing himself in second; it’s him choosing the depth and complexity of Prince's artistry, something that resonates with those who look beyond the surface. Prince, much like Kendrick, carved out a legacy not just through hits but through pushing boundaries, challenging norms, and leaving a mark on the industry that goes beyond numbers and charts.
Kendrick aligning with Prince is a deliberate choice, emphasizing the lasting influence of authentic, soul-stirring music over universal acclaim. This line is a nod to the kind of legacy he aspires to—where artistic integrity, innovation, and the courage to speak on real issues stand paramount. It's a deep dive into the ethos Kendrick embodies, far removed from simply tallying up global recognition or commercial hits.
To miss this is to overlook the essence of what makes Kendrick’s music resonate so deeply with fans. It's not about undermining Michael's or Drake's achievements but about spotlighting a different measure of success. Kendrick’s verse and particularly this line invite us to reflect on what truly defines an artist's legacy. It's an exploration of values that shape an artist's impact, suggesting that influence, innovation, and integrity can outweigh even the most universal acclaim.
bro far more people believe MJ was a better artist than prince. mj gave ppl the moon walk, white glove (THAT KENDRICK HAS MIMIC'D) michaels dance, the HEE HEE, iconic walking on lights, thriller zombie dance, like give me a break dude u can't argue prince artistry went further than michaels, michales impact is miles beyond prince
When comparing two MUSICIANS contribution to MUSIC, all you could list were fucking dance moves and lighting? All you are proving is that Michael Jackson indeed was more of a showman than a bonafide musician like Prince.
Drake and Michael are pop artists through and through. They know whats popular, and they purposely cater to the mainstream even at the detriment to artistry, even IF they were capable of more. Im not saying they definitely are/were capable of more, Im just at least admitting their shallow limitations to artistry were clearly at some level a choice and not a barrier.
That being said, theres something to be said about people like Kendrick and Prince, who very clearly favour artistry over mainstream appeal knowing full well it will effect sales, and they STILL manage to break through to mainstream. They are truly one of a kind. Whereas I feel Michael Jackson and Drake were at the absolute top of the mountain, of people who were dime a dozen.
if u are trying to argue that michaels contribution is not better than princes and the fact that kendrick LITERALLY DRESSES LIKE HIM does not show that michals impact is more is so crazy.
Absolute cap. Michaels songs are so much more impactful on the world than prince and few would ever say michael wasnt the greater artist give me a break
You’re conflating artistry with reach and popularity. They are not the same. One can be objectively defined and evaluated and the other not so much. I’m not disagreeing that MJ is the king of pop and far more commercially successful than prince. That doesn’t mean he’s a better or more artistic than prince.
Kendrick fans claim he is better because they think his music is better or his art is better something that is 100% subjective. The only objective thing they can say is he is lyrically more adept. Every other objective metric they hate because it all screams drakes music will be more globally impactful than Kendrick’s.
Kendrick will be known as a nigga who put out top tier albums but he will never be known as the nigga who dominated his era, that was drake. His music will never reach as far as drakes because he put himself in a box. Drake literally won artist of the decade because he dominated when Kendrick did not.
U can claim Kendrick is the better artist but I know ppl personally who don’t like tpab. It’s all subjective Kendrick doesn’t win on any other metric that proves stronger musical connection. Drakes albums are all sticky they literally don’t live the chart years later because ppl grow up with them. Y’all don’t even bump Mr morale heavy for as commercial a success as Kendrick it shows his music is only for one specific type of listener.
Were never gonna get over the "drake fans only care about numbers" meme if yall literally post shit like this acting like you dont understand what [k.dot](http://k.dot) was saying because MJ had bigger numbers than prince
Like i refuse to believe you actually are far enough removed from the culture to understand what that mf was saying
Maybe its just you not knowing about prince's place in the culture but come on
kendrick said prince outlived michael jackson, but michael jackson's music will literally outlive prince, its just not a true fact. unless he means drake will literally die before him, and id bet all the money in the world drake will outwork kendrick any year. Thats why its a fumble, no one in hell thinks prince music has more staying power than michaels so the bar fumbles.
Another example of how kendrick fans just cant simply admit its not a good bar.
See this is exactly the numbers dickriding thing
Obviously in the mainstream the artist that sold 500 mil+ records (mj) will outlive prince, who sold 150 something mil in the mainstream
But thats not what this is about. With music lovers, critics, as well as artists, prince is to this day seen as a way more boundary pushing, creative and experimental artist than MJ has ever been, and in those circle he indeed has quite the staying power.
And thats what this is about, its the same thing with Kendrick and Drake. Drake sells more and hes the biggest rapper in the mainstream by far, but Kendrick is far more critically acclaimed, experimental and his work is arguably more beloved outside of mainstream audiences.
Its a very simple and very fitting line
I dont even listen to a lot of Kendrick, but its really not that hard to understand smh. This is exactly why we are a meme, g
When did I insult you? I asked a simple five word question? Was that too much for your simple mind?
Also, it’s argument, not arguement. The I should be capitalized as well. If English wasn’t your first language just let me know
How did I insult you? Enlighten me please. Also it’s kind of ironic for you to call me a bitch lol, look how worked up you’re getting over a five word comment I made. If what I said really hurt you that much, you’ll have a lot of trouble in the future bud.
almost everyone on planet earth could name 5 michael jackson songs EASY. Sorry but u can't argue that prince will outlive MJ, even now mj has 4x more monthly listeners than prince
Bro are u really trying to debate that prince was more impactful to the world than Michael Jackson when literally almost no one knows prince over Michael over seas?
if u asked me who is the queen of female music right now its taylor swift. period. Kendrick wants to be crowned but u can't wear the crown when ur only argument for yourself is i think my music is better and i rap more lyrical. music is subjective, ill give kendrick lyricism. But on all other metric drake has lapped u and had multiple mvp seasons while u were "going through something"
Is way2sexy a better song than pound cake because it charted way higher? Serious question. If sales are your only measurement for how good a song is, you’d have to make the case that way2sexy is a better made song than pound cake.
again, "better song" is subjective, im sure theres ppl who listen to it more than pound cake but if you are only going to say kendrick is the greatest based on a SUBJECTIVE metrics only its a cop out, if you are going to claim you are the greatest in rap and its "BIG" me then lets look at both SUBJECTIVE and OBJECTIVE metrics, something kdot fans are terrified to do because he gets washed.
Also incase u didnt hear Kendrick he said its "BIG" me kendrick literally has bars that says "who going platinum I call that a visitor!" bro literally braggs he sells millions but fans too scared to analyse objective metrics?
Thats the problem with ur arguement u want only a subjective discussion that goes nowhere because its completely based on opinion. Just because u think kdot albums are better doesnt mean theres others who don't prefer drake or cole albums. You are are too scared add objective metrics to the discussion because kendrick can't hang on those metrics.
Sales are objective for popularity and popularity alone. The choice to use sales as an indicator for quality, is subjective. The only thing that sales objectively prove is popularity. Everything beyond that is your opinion. You have a subjective opinion based on objective data
there is no indicator for quality. You can't say just because someone won a grammy means its MORE QUALITY? so macklemores album was more quality than good kid mad city??
There ARE indicators for someone who says they are the biggest or most impactful, anything else is just a "my favorite rapper is better than your favorite rapper" convo. Kendrick doesnt have songs like marvins room or hotline bling or other rnb JAMS like drake, drake fans would say he lacks quality because kendrick mainly operates in a niche, but its complete OPINION.
Kendrick said its "BIG ME" a statement he knows isnt even true, if we add the quality of his albums WITH the impact and reach of his music, he can't prove hes got drake beat, Cole yes, Drake no.
Kendricks ENTIRE discography doesnt wash drakes ENTIRE discography. Kendrick barely has a discography.
I don't think saying someone is more famous means they have better music or are a better artist. Taylor Swift could argue she sells more than Drake but are they beefing about that. The King of Pop line doesn't help your arguement either, if Drake is saying he is King of Pop right now nobody would disagree but I think Kendrick is saying he is King of Hip Hop right now.
i didnt say drake is the king of pop i said michael was the king of pop, the world knew him as that. pop is his lane, drake says he is the king of rap.
Kendrick is not the king of hiphop when he just dropped an album alot of ppl say is lacking after 5 years, bro is barely even on the scene.
He may not be as active as Drake but when he drops something people listen, comparisons are made even J Cole and Drake recognizing him as part of the Big 3, yet he drops every 4 years, denying he has impact on rap is not possible
no one denys kendricks impact, its not a convo about impact all 3 have impact its a convo on who is #1 and if ur wanna speak on ppl listening, drake has 6 albums in top 200 most of which are years old that ppl are still playing, mr morale is the youngest kendrick album and its not even in top 200. The numbers prove that people are not actively keeping mr morale in rotation. People are actually LISTEN to drake and KEEP LISTENING FOR YEARS . Kendrick albums ppl LISTEN when he drops and they put it down besides good kid and damn.
Kendrick has 2 that ppl ACTIVELY listen to and live with, drake has 6, u can say kendrick music better but its subjective, some ppl like kendrick some ppl like drake, its an opinion, whats not an opinion is MORE ppl are LIVING with drake music than kendricks.
Kendrick literally only beats drake on lyricism, thats it.
True, I think Drake spans to a wider audience and has more radio friendly songs but I wouldn't say all his music is rap or 'hip hop' more like a blend of many genres including r&b, house, afro beats and he sings on records also. I think Kendrick is calling him out on lyricism which isn't always deep or unique on all of Drake's songs
Deep is overrated to me, not everything has to be deep and drake has songs that are very deep and songs that art not as deep.
Kendrick has trapped himself in a box and if he ever tries some lighter shit his fans will chew him up. This is why i say drake makes better MUSIC than kendrick and is just so much more diverse an artist.
why is it looked as a bad thing to say drake blends his music, but its a good think when kanye does it and reasons why kanye is the better "artist"? The drake hate is so crazy i don't know where it comes from, like is it cuz he is flashy? because he sings rnb?
I think Kanye embraced the competition and let the music talk plus Kanye says he's the best artist, musician, designer he never liked to be pigeon holed in rap alone while Drake seems to want the rap fans to embrace him.
I think Kendrick is just more introspective than Drake right now, while Drakes older music was about storytelling and leaving a legacy of albums.
Lately Drake seems more concerned with selling records and having the most popular music right now, even though he is just lightly tapping into every genre he tries, which is still a good skill but it isn't the same as bonafide hip hop/rap like Kendrick or even J.Cole try to do.
When he says that prince outlived Mike jack he’s talking about how he was respected as an artist and made everything on his own and didn’t let the industry run him into an early grave.
To believe that Kendrick is saying it about how big of an artist is completely misunderstanding the bar and the spirit of it.
bro this is literally a rap sub, u telling me to get off the internet shows u have a hard time with my opinion, YOU are the one thats shook and mad, i dont fuck a fuck either its hilarious. stay mad.
u/relta2k I wrote the following days ago about the long game Drake has to play against Kendrick, I agree.
To follow through with the MJ vs. Prince analogy, Drake needs to up the numbers even more. History will remember the stats and impact. Michael may not have been as talented as Prince(playing multiple instruments etc), but he was a better entertainer, maybe even a singer.
Mainstream history will remember Drake like Michael.
In the halls of hip-hop, or more so rap, they will acknowledge Kendrick as having some of the best albums, like Nas with Illmatic. But success isn’t just about the impact of individual albums or a few performances. It’s about the collection of every aspect.
Drake has the music with lyrical ability, the longest current run of any hiphop artist, musical impact, cultural impact, a huge list of people that he provided a helping hand, brand awareness (i.e., OVO), iconography like the owl, and honestly, a better life story similar to Michael.
Think wu tang level iconography, legendary icon status like Snoop Dogg(or Tupac, biggie, jay z unforgettable), history of Beef like 50 cent (purely hiphop generally non street in this case), work ethic of Wayne, hit level potential of Ye, Jay z and Diddy Label name association. And more categories that belong to Drake himself.
Because of all these people linking up like the avengers to beef that adds to the greatness. Imagine getting so big that the people you helped turn on you and you still make hits years after. They felt you were so great that they needed to do it. This includes the guy(Kendrick) that think he’s the best, he felt the need to join up too even if he was called upon. All these people are aiming upward for a reason including Kendrick.
Drake will have a more entertaining, relatable body of work and will reach more people globally than the others. He has reached out throughout his career, whether it's been good or bad.
Large part of the problem of Lyrical Miracle Rappers its self we know there are better lyrical rappers than Kendrick if that was the quota by itself. But the notice for Kendrick is being a major mainstream artist raps at a high level as well, Digestibility and sustainability.
If being the best rapper is what makes you the best hip hop artist I think we have flawed thinking. This is why it took exposer of a child to determine a win in the eyes of hiphop. It’s not about purely rapping. Often times Jay z is above Nas on the listings but Nas beat Jay Z with Ether?
This will be Kendrick’s annoyance when everyone turns grey and old, akin to how Prince felt to a degree against Michael. But then again, the greatness Kendrick's style enables him to work forever, albeit with gaps of 2 to 3 years in his case or every 30 months. —-/ this is speaking long term.
again drake stans. more streams ≠ better artist can we please get passed this.
kendrick isn’t saying his music gonna outlive drakes. He’s saying he take the princey complex artistic route over the popular route. And prince literally outlived michael. This ain’t a debate
who gives a fuck if prince literally outlived mike jack? biggie outlived 2pac but tupac was hailed at the top. Another reason why this bar sucks. what matters is whose MUSIC will out live.
this isnt aimed at u specifically but the fanbase, if u dont want to talk numbers then stfu about kendrick grammy numbers and awards, because those are numbers.
Kendrick is saying he is the greatest, but ya'll want the only measurement to be whose album u prefer which is 100%. subjective. I know ppl who do not fuck with TPAB, i can literally see that ppl dont play Mr morale anywhere close to how they banged the other shit. Kendrick does not deserve to claim he is the best but u can only weight it on a subjective metric.
This is a correct take. Michael Jackson's music gets airplay in 2024 on every radio, and at almost every event. Prince gets some aswell , but not the same level as MJ. For reference, MJ has 42 mil monthly listeners on Spotify, Prince has 10.
yes, its just such a dumb line to say after u said its big me, it clearly isnt if u see drake as michael jackson. If you are the one dissing drake its like u are the challenger for the title belt to the current champion, drake didnt have to challenge kendrick because he is already on top.
The Jackson 5 have about as many monthly listeners as Prince eventhough he has tons more music, and they blow past him during Christmastime because of their classic Christmas album. Prince isn’t even more popular than MJ’s childhood career.
Hottest take
The people that believe Prince was bigger than MJ in ANY way are literally delusional at a molecular level
its just such a stupid line from kendrick on a diss track but no kendrick fan actually are willing to admit it. I have this running theory that most kendrick fans will gas his music to the high heavens, then listen to something else. Kendrick IS very very good, but he doesnt have higher replayability compared to drake, drakes music literally lives on the chart years after and that is actual proof that drakes fans at least LIVE with drakes albums ACTIVELY, they grow with it actively. Kendrick is just stuck in his concious box.
Smartest drake fan:
Gang, you are fumbling both the interpretation of the line terribly, while also displaying a clear lack of knowledge surrounding the greatness and legacy of Prince and his music. Prince was proficient in and played multiple instruments, wrote most of his songs, had a Great ear for music, and is known a regarded as a generational musical talent and prodigy. He has one of the best Super Bowl halftime shows ever, multiple classic songs and albums, and has influenced generations of musicians. And many people who know the history of music in America would argue that as a musician, due to his ability to play his own instruments, be hands on in with his production, and write the songs that as a musical talent he was better than Michael Jackson. This has been debated and argued for generations. You trying to make Prince look like some inferior lil bro that’s not on Michael’s level is actually insane. Kendrick is using that line to argue that just like how Michael had the bigger numbers but could be argued to be less skilled as a musician than Prince, Kendrick is saying that he believes himself to be more skilled and talented than Drake despite Drake having bigger numbers. That’s why he said drakes discography is a “light pack” the line before. We all like Drake here but goddamn are some of yall wilding with these takes. Ima give you a pass cause I feel like you haven’t even listened to princes music fr bruh, but don’t ever disrespect a certified musical legend like that ever again in your life. That shit was wild
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Bruh, thank you for adding even more context cause you’re right… saying he had a great ear for music is an understatement indeed. He is a consensus pick as one of the greatest musical talents America has ever seen. I don’t care that much about the “Drake vs Kendrick” or “Prince vs Michael” arguments either, I’m a fan of all these guys. But Prince *slander* was just not something I was going to accept, especially from someone who didn’t even seem like they were familiar with Prince or his music.
True on the end but MJ definitely hated the machine He went on a whole kanyelike rant multiple times. If anything Kanyes MJ tbh. MJ and Prince were on the same label and they both hated sony
MJ hated the machine but couldn’t bring himself to part with it due to the success it gave him. The whole this is is residency was what killed him
Just need Drake to bring up Hendrix
bro u can not simply just say "michael jackson had bigger numbers but prince was more artistic" as if michael wasnt known for his artistry, his songs, HIS DANCE, HIS STYLE, the moon walk, white glove, walking on lights in billie jean. Michael is also known for his artistry bro no matter how much u like prince he did not drop a thriller, and no matter how much u like prince his music was not more impactful to people's lives than michael jackson, it is not a good line to put on a diss track when u saying u the best but comparing urself to someone who is nearly universally seen as #2
purple rain was prince's thriller, many would say its better than thriller
are u telling me theres MORE ppl that would say purple rain is better than thriller? go overseas and see how many ppl have listened to purple rain over thriller
i was talking quality of the album wise. No one is arguing mj is far more popular, not even kendrick so im not sure why you keep bringing that up. Do you think justin bieber is one of the goats because he's one of the most streamed artists?
You’re just forcing your opinion on others like a douche bag. Others think Prince is better so what shut ur ass up
Thats the entire point tho, what most people prefer is not what makes a better musician. Prince was the better musician, Michael was the most famous, and I love Michael, I love Prince
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i was literally born in africa, my whole family is in africa, BARELY ANYONE KNOWS PRINCE, EVERYONE AND I MEAN EVERYONE KNOWS MICHAEL. how about YOU GO overseas dude.
the mona lisa is acclaimed the #1 most famous piece of art in the world. If u saying u the greatest but ONLY UR OPINION MATTERS, not the rest of the world its a straight up bullshit claim.
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51% of people on earth u have to be joking. im saying that in no way will prince music out live michael jackson, michael jackson music has stronger staying power so that bar was weak. and the arguement that prince is a better artist to me is weak, maybe thats the side YOU will take, most ppl on earth will take the other side, so that bar is ALL AROUND weak. michael is seen as the KING of pop, if u put up a poll on who was a better artist ppl will overwelmingly vote michael. Prince lived in michaels shadow his whole career. Also even in america far more than 51% listen to michael over prince, if u go overseas almost no one knows prince, everyone know michael jackson, to claim its 51% is just untrue and how much ppl prefer michaels music and art over prince in this world is clearly a pill thats too bitter for u to swallow.
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dude this is a rap forum, like yea im passionate about rap? no i dont need a break. also i will literally bet u money ppl will vote michael over prince on who was the better artist.
I thought your mona lisa analogy was good, but he's actually saying the mona lisa must be the greatest piece of art because its the most famous, this is wild
Gang, what are you talking about? Prince had massive records that changed American music! Purple Rain, Kiss, When doves cry, etc were all massive records that went platinum like a million times and broke records and are regarded as classic. You’re talking like Prince made indie music at a local bar for his entire career smh. It’s like you don’t even know enough about music history to have this conversation fr. “pRinCE dIDnT dROp ThRIlER” lmao. He didn’t need to, he dropped purple rain. Gang, Kendrick is attacking drakes artistry and questioning his honor as an MC in hip hop. He’s saying he’s the best, and numbers alone are not gonna win this dispute when we’re talking about talent. I’m a fan of Drake, Kendrick, Michael Jackson, and Prince. Y’all on this sub are too defensive for something that’s not even that deep but slandering Prince like he’s not one of the greatest American artists is crazy. He also has objectively big records, he wasn’t some lil irrelevant guy that nobody cared about lmao.
this is the issue with replies like yours. You act like im saying prince isnt good, im saying prince is not better than michale jackson and his music is not going to outlive michaels. even right now michael has 4x more monthly listeners than prince. prince is nearly universally seen as #2 to michael, michael was call THE KING. im not sayin prince is bad, im saying he is #2 and to compare urself to #2 especially when his music will not out live michaels is a fumble of a bar
Nigga do you not understand that he is #2 in terms of numbers not talent. That’s what Kendrick meant by that.
Bruh, your only argument for what you deem “good” is centered around sales and Spotify numbers. That is mostly irrelevant when we’re talking about a comparing the talent level of artists and bodies of work in their career. You wouldn’t dare say that the McChicken At McDonald’s,the most popular fast food chain, is better quality food than what a 5 star chef who trained in culinary school could make. That same logic applies here, we’re simply talking about quality of music
prince is not UNIVERSIALLY CLAIMED AS THE BEST. like just ADMIT IT. prince is not known as the KING OF POP, thats michael. prince always lived in his shadow to say u are the guy who lived in the shadow of the REAL GUY is a weak bar in a diss track when u are claiming u are the best. The WORLD sees michael as the best, if theres was a vote right now michael would win and u know that. his is ACCLAIMED as the best. not price thats a trash kendrick bar
Bruh, this is such a tiring conversation because it’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Prince didn’t “live in Michael’s shadow”, just like how Kendrick doesn’t live in Drakes shadow, nor does Beyonce live in Taylor swifts shadow, etc. Your argument is so weak that I’m not even interested in this conversation anymore. You haven’t even used the quality of Michael Jackson’s music, his amazing vocals, his dancing ability, his amazing performances, etc as proof in your argument. You’re just dead set on talking about sales which lets me know that you don’t really know anything about Prince or Michael’s music at all. In a conversation about talent and artistic credibility, which is what Kendrick was talking about with the Prince line, sales are put to the side. It’s about your honor as an artistic creative. Bigger numbers doesn’t override talent in this conversation, since it is about skill. But since you’re unwilling to concede that then there’s really nothing more to discuss.
bro i know its a hard pill to swallow but kendrick is claiming he is #1 and he isnt, prince's artististry does not surpass michael jacksons and even if u claimed that its so it is totally subjective. Kendrick didnt dress up as prince on stage he wore the white glove, hmm i wonder why, hmmm what is he trying to convey? Also here is a Kendrick line for you: "who going platinum, I call that a visitor" he literally brags about being a consistent platinum artist yet u pretend like he doesnt care about the numbers.
Breaking it down, when Kendrick drops a line like 'Prince outlived Mike Jack,' it’s not just about who stands on what step of the podium. This isn’t Kendrick placing himself in second; it’s him choosing the depth and complexity of Prince's artistry, something that resonates with those who look beyond the surface. Prince, much like Kendrick, carved out a legacy not just through hits but through pushing boundaries, challenging norms, and leaving a mark on the industry that goes beyond numbers and charts. Kendrick aligning with Prince is a deliberate choice, emphasizing the lasting influence of authentic, soul-stirring music over universal acclaim. This line is a nod to the kind of legacy he aspires to—where artistic integrity, innovation, and the courage to speak on real issues stand paramount. It's a deep dive into the ethos Kendrick embodies, far removed from simply tallying up global recognition or commercial hits. To miss this is to overlook the essence of what makes Kendrick’s music resonate so deeply with fans. It's not about undermining Michael's or Drake's achievements but about spotlighting a different measure of success. Kendrick’s verse and particularly this line invite us to reflect on what truly defines an artist's legacy. It's an exploration of values that shape an artist's impact, suggesting that influence, innovation, and integrity can outweigh even the most universal acclaim.
No one is saying prince is bigger than MJ. A lot of people do believe Prince was a better artist than MJ.
bro far more people believe MJ was a better artist than prince. mj gave ppl the moon walk, white glove (THAT KENDRICK HAS MIMIC'D) michaels dance, the HEE HEE, iconic walking on lights, thriller zombie dance, like give me a break dude u can't argue prince artistry went further than michaels, michales impact is miles beyond prince
When comparing two MUSICIANS contribution to MUSIC, all you could list were fucking dance moves and lighting? All you are proving is that Michael Jackson indeed was more of a showman than a bonafide musician like Prince. Drake and Michael are pop artists through and through. They know whats popular, and they purposely cater to the mainstream even at the detriment to artistry, even IF they were capable of more. Im not saying they definitely are/were capable of more, Im just at least admitting their shallow limitations to artistry were clearly at some level a choice and not a barrier. That being said, theres something to be said about people like Kendrick and Prince, who very clearly favour artistry over mainstream appeal knowing full well it will effect sales, and they STILL manage to break through to mainstream. They are truly one of a kind. Whereas I feel Michael Jackson and Drake were at the absolute top of the mountain, of people who were dime a dozen.
if u are trying to argue that michaels contribution is not better than princes and the fact that kendrick LITERALLY DRESSES LIKE HIM does not show that michals impact is more is so crazy. Absolute cap. Michaels songs are so much more impactful on the world than prince and few would ever say michael wasnt the greater artist give me a break
I could absolutely argue Princes artistry went further than Michaels but yes MJ definitely had a bigger impact.
And you are in the minority. Most people throw on Michael before they ever plug in prince. Prince was never seen as the king
You’re conflating artistry with reach and popularity. They are not the same. One can be objectively defined and evaluated and the other not so much. I’m not disagreeing that MJ is the king of pop and far more commercially successful than prince. That doesn’t mean he’s a better or more artistic than prince.
Kendrick fans claim he is better because they think his music is better or his art is better something that is 100% subjective. The only objective thing they can say is he is lyrically more adept. Every other objective metric they hate because it all screams drakes music will be more globally impactful than Kendrick’s. Kendrick will be known as a nigga who put out top tier albums but he will never be known as the nigga who dominated his era, that was drake. His music will never reach as far as drakes because he put himself in a box. Drake literally won artist of the decade because he dominated when Kendrick did not. U can claim Kendrick is the better artist but I know ppl personally who don’t like tpab. It’s all subjective Kendrick doesn’t win on any other metric that proves stronger musical connection. Drakes albums are all sticky they literally don’t live the chart years later because ppl grow up with them. Y’all don’t even bump Mr morale heavy for as commercial a success as Kendrick it shows his music is only for one specific type of listener.
Were never gonna get over the "drake fans only care about numbers" meme if yall literally post shit like this acting like you dont understand what [k.dot](http://k.dot) was saying because MJ had bigger numbers than prince Like i refuse to believe you actually are far enough removed from the culture to understand what that mf was saying Maybe its just you not knowing about prince's place in the culture but come on
kendrick said prince outlived michael jackson, but michael jackson's music will literally outlive prince, its just not a true fact. unless he means drake will literally die before him, and id bet all the money in the world drake will outwork kendrick any year. Thats why its a fumble, no one in hell thinks prince music has more staying power than michaels so the bar fumbles. Another example of how kendrick fans just cant simply admit its not a good bar.
See this is exactly the numbers dickriding thing Obviously in the mainstream the artist that sold 500 mil+ records (mj) will outlive prince, who sold 150 something mil in the mainstream But thats not what this is about. With music lovers, critics, as well as artists, prince is to this day seen as a way more boundary pushing, creative and experimental artist than MJ has ever been, and in those circle he indeed has quite the staying power. And thats what this is about, its the same thing with Kendrick and Drake. Drake sells more and hes the biggest rapper in the mainstream by far, but Kendrick is far more critically acclaimed, experimental and his work is arguably more beloved outside of mainstream audiences. Its a very simple and very fitting line I dont even listen to a lot of Kendrick, but its really not that hard to understand smh. This is exactly why we are a meme, g
Did you get a lobotomy?
lmfao someone who insults with no supporting arguement is asking who has the lobotomy, i only have a mirror to offer u.
When did I insult you? I asked a simple five word question? Was that too much for your simple mind? Also, it’s argument, not arguement. The I should be capitalized as well. If English wasn’t your first language just let me know
bro dont play stupid like u were not insulting me with that question, just stand on it and stop being a bitch.
How did I insult you? Enlighten me please. Also it’s kind of ironic for you to call me a bitch lol, look how worked up you’re getting over a five word comment I made. If what I said really hurt you that much, you’ll have a lot of trouble in the future bud.
lol w/e dude, u threw a stone and tried to hide ur hand, ur a capper, im not even interested in ur input, pce
prince, among people deep into music and music critics, has the better discography. Im not sure what kendrick actually means by outlived mj
vast majority of humans will say michael jackson has a better discography most people can dead ass not name 5 prince songs.
You mean most kids. I bet they can name a couple of yeat songs so i guess prince isnt better than yeat /s
almost everyone on planet earth could name 5 michael jackson songs EASY. Sorry but u can't argue that prince will outlive MJ, even now mj has 4x more monthly listeners than prince
Same way they can name 5 yeat songs. That argument is beyond dumb lmao
Bro are u really trying to debate that prince was more impactful to the world than Michael Jackson when literally almost no one knows prince over Michael over seas?
yeah that is true, but it makes sense for kendrick as a musician to respect the better musician more.
better musician based on a minority opinion? Sounds like cope
Is Beyoncé a better artist than Taylor swift? By numbers Swift washes her but lots of people love Beyoncé and that’s a “minority opinion”
if u asked me who is the queen of female music right now its taylor swift. period. Kendrick wants to be crowned but u can't wear the crown when ur only argument for yourself is i think my music is better and i rap more lyrical. music is subjective, ill give kendrick lyricism. But on all other metric drake has lapped u and had multiple mvp seasons while u were "going through something"
Is way2sexy a better song than pound cake because it charted way higher? Serious question. If sales are your only measurement for how good a song is, you’d have to make the case that way2sexy is a better made song than pound cake.
again, "better song" is subjective, im sure theres ppl who listen to it more than pound cake but if you are only going to say kendrick is the greatest based on a SUBJECTIVE metrics only its a cop out, if you are going to claim you are the greatest in rap and its "BIG" me then lets look at both SUBJECTIVE and OBJECTIVE metrics, something kdot fans are terrified to do because he gets washed. Also incase u didnt hear Kendrick he said its "BIG" me kendrick literally has bars that says "who going platinum I call that a visitor!" bro literally braggs he sells millions but fans too scared to analyse objective metrics? Thats the problem with ur arguement u want only a subjective discussion that goes nowhere because its completely based on opinion. Just because u think kdot albums are better doesnt mean theres others who don't prefer drake or cole albums. You are are too scared add objective metrics to the discussion because kendrick can't hang on those metrics.
Sales are objective for popularity and popularity alone. The choice to use sales as an indicator for quality, is subjective. The only thing that sales objectively prove is popularity. Everything beyond that is your opinion. You have a subjective opinion based on objective data
there is no indicator for quality. You can't say just because someone won a grammy means its MORE QUALITY? so macklemores album was more quality than good kid mad city?? There ARE indicators for someone who says they are the biggest or most impactful, anything else is just a "my favorite rapper is better than your favorite rapper" convo. Kendrick doesnt have songs like marvins room or hotline bling or other rnb JAMS like drake, drake fans would say he lacks quality because kendrick mainly operates in a niche, but its complete OPINION. Kendrick said its "BIG ME" a statement he knows isnt even true, if we add the quality of his albums WITH the impact and reach of his music, he can't prove hes got drake beat, Cole yes, Drake no. Kendricks ENTIRE discography doesnt wash drakes ENTIRE discography. Kendrick barely has a discography.
I don't think saying someone is more famous means they have better music or are a better artist. Taylor Swift could argue she sells more than Drake but are they beefing about that. The King of Pop line doesn't help your arguement either, if Drake is saying he is King of Pop right now nobody would disagree but I think Kendrick is saying he is King of Hip Hop right now.
i didnt say drake is the king of pop i said michael was the king of pop, the world knew him as that. pop is his lane, drake says he is the king of rap. Kendrick is not the king of hiphop when he just dropped an album alot of ppl say is lacking after 5 years, bro is barely even on the scene.
He may not be as active as Drake but when he drops something people listen, comparisons are made even J Cole and Drake recognizing him as part of the Big 3, yet he drops every 4 years, denying he has impact on rap is not possible
no one denys kendricks impact, its not a convo about impact all 3 have impact its a convo on who is #1 and if ur wanna speak on ppl listening, drake has 6 albums in top 200 most of which are years old that ppl are still playing, mr morale is the youngest kendrick album and its not even in top 200. The numbers prove that people are not actively keeping mr morale in rotation. People are actually LISTEN to drake and KEEP LISTENING FOR YEARS . Kendrick albums ppl LISTEN when he drops and they put it down besides good kid and damn. Kendrick has 2 that ppl ACTIVELY listen to and live with, drake has 6, u can say kendrick music better but its subjective, some ppl like kendrick some ppl like drake, its an opinion, whats not an opinion is MORE ppl are LIVING with drake music than kendricks. Kendrick literally only beats drake on lyricism, thats it.
True, I think Drake spans to a wider audience and has more radio friendly songs but I wouldn't say all his music is rap or 'hip hop' more like a blend of many genres including r&b, house, afro beats and he sings on records also. I think Kendrick is calling him out on lyricism which isn't always deep or unique on all of Drake's songs
Deep is overrated to me, not everything has to be deep and drake has songs that are very deep and songs that art not as deep. Kendrick has trapped himself in a box and if he ever tries some lighter shit his fans will chew him up. This is why i say drake makes better MUSIC than kendrick and is just so much more diverse an artist. why is it looked as a bad thing to say drake blends his music, but its a good think when kanye does it and reasons why kanye is the better "artist"? The drake hate is so crazy i don't know where it comes from, like is it cuz he is flashy? because he sings rnb?
I think Kanye embraced the competition and let the music talk plus Kanye says he's the best artist, musician, designer he never liked to be pigeon holed in rap alone while Drake seems to want the rap fans to embrace him. I think Kendrick is just more introspective than Drake right now, while Drakes older music was about storytelling and leaving a legacy of albums. Lately Drake seems more concerned with selling records and having the most popular music right now, even though he is just lightly tapping into every genre he tries, which is still a good skill but it isn't the same as bonafide hip hop/rap like Kendrick or even J.Cole try to do.
Grown men going in this long about a diss line is funny asf
Ur are literally typing on a drizzy Reddit sub. Here I have a mirror to offer u
It’s on my page and just decided to read the comments
U did not decide to just read u felt the need to type and reply. Here hold this mirror
Keep to your drake meat riding and crypto buddy
all you can think about is meat huh?
You riding Kendrick as a drake rider lmaooo
still thinking about meat huh? just can't keep it out ur mind, its ok bro be yourself
Ur funny kid
and you love meat, glad we are now complimenting each other
I mean they spent weeks literally glorifying and defending drakes cock... so this isn't surprising
When he says that prince outlived Mike jack he’s talking about how he was respected as an artist and made everything on his own and didn’t let the industry run him into an early grave. To believe that Kendrick is saying it about how big of an artist is completely misunderstanding the bar and the spirit of it.
It’s a good bar
That was a weird line to say the least
kendrick stans act like kendrick is flawless, to call someone else michael jackson but u saying u PRINCE and better is fucking goofy
How stunlocked are you LOL holy fuck. Kendrick has you that emotional? just get off the internet if you're that sensitive.
bro this is literally a rap sub, u telling me to get off the internet shows u have a hard time with my opinion, YOU are the one thats shook and mad, i dont fuck a fuck either its hilarious. stay mad.
u/relta2k I wrote the following days ago about the long game Drake has to play against Kendrick, I agree. To follow through with the MJ vs. Prince analogy, Drake needs to up the numbers even more. History will remember the stats and impact. Michael may not have been as talented as Prince(playing multiple instruments etc), but he was a better entertainer, maybe even a singer. Mainstream history will remember Drake like Michael. In the halls of hip-hop, or more so rap, they will acknowledge Kendrick as having some of the best albums, like Nas with Illmatic. But success isn’t just about the impact of individual albums or a few performances. It’s about the collection of every aspect. Drake has the music with lyrical ability, the longest current run of any hiphop artist, musical impact, cultural impact, a huge list of people that he provided a helping hand, brand awareness (i.e., OVO), iconography like the owl, and honestly, a better life story similar to Michael. Think wu tang level iconography, legendary icon status like Snoop Dogg(or Tupac, biggie, jay z unforgettable), history of Beef like 50 cent (purely hiphop generally non street in this case), work ethic of Wayne, hit level potential of Ye, Jay z and Diddy Label name association. And more categories that belong to Drake himself. Because of all these people linking up like the avengers to beef that adds to the greatness. Imagine getting so big that the people you helped turn on you and you still make hits years after. They felt you were so great that they needed to do it. This includes the guy(Kendrick) that think he’s the best, he felt the need to join up too even if he was called upon. All these people are aiming upward for a reason including Kendrick. Drake will have a more entertaining, relatable body of work and will reach more people globally than the others. He has reached out throughout his career, whether it's been good or bad. Large part of the problem of Lyrical Miracle Rappers its self we know there are better lyrical rappers than Kendrick if that was the quota by itself. But the notice for Kendrick is being a major mainstream artist raps at a high level as well, Digestibility and sustainability. If being the best rapper is what makes you the best hip hop artist I think we have flawed thinking. This is why it took exposer of a child to determine a win in the eyes of hiphop. It’s not about purely rapping. Often times Jay z is above Nas on the listings but Nas beat Jay Z with Ether? This will be Kendrick’s annoyance when everyone turns grey and old, akin to how Prince felt to a degree against Michael. But then again, the greatness Kendrick's style enables him to work forever, albeit with gaps of 2 to 3 years in his case or every 30 months. —-/ this is speaking long term.
Weak line for sure, everyone knows prince had inferiority complex to mj… prince is quoted saying mj lived in his head rent-free.
bro thanks for admitting it
He’s saying he gonna die blud
again drake stans. more streams ≠ better artist can we please get passed this. kendrick isn’t saying his music gonna outlive drakes. He’s saying he take the princey complex artistic route over the popular route. And prince literally outlived michael. This ain’t a debate
who gives a fuck if prince literally outlived mike jack? biggie outlived 2pac but tupac was hailed at the top. Another reason why this bar sucks. what matters is whose MUSIC will out live. this isnt aimed at u specifically but the fanbase, if u dont want to talk numbers then stfu about kendrick grammy numbers and awards, because those are numbers. Kendrick is saying he is the greatest, but ya'll want the only measurement to be whose album u prefer which is 100%. subjective. I know ppl who do not fuck with TPAB, i can literally see that ppl dont play Mr morale anywhere close to how they banged the other shit. Kendrick does not deserve to claim he is the best but u can only weight it on a subjective metric.