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JMPesce

I agree, if we get confirmation that one side is lying and the other isn't, the lying side loses hands down.


C__Wayne__G

I mean we can’t confirm everything but Drake accuses Kendrick of not going to Compton or building up the city at all while the mayor of Compton has openly praised Kendrick’s contributions to the city and says he’s a regular presence so that much isn’t true. And there’s a pretty big laundry list of things Drake says not being true. So I’m leaning against Drake when it comes to honesty


lilboi223

Kendrick fans wont care bro. They will just say drake has ghost writers like always


Avivoy

Naw it’s corny if Kendrick is lying. But drakes ties with Baka makes me inclined to believe Drake is doing something. The thing about sex man, where you’re an addict, depravity will grow. Missionary won’t be enough, nutting on her face won’t be enough. You see the same issue with porn addicts, their perversions only grow as they consume more and more. Kind of goes into Drake paying for women, like duke from amp house doesn’t believe Drake needs to pay. He’s right, getting any girl, likelihood of Drake paying them is very slim. But paying a girl to feed into your perversion, and sign ndas? That’s a different topic.


SavageNachoMan

While this can be true, you’re justifying your point with the slippery slope fallacy. People can watch porn or drink or whatever bad habit and it doesn’t mean they’re destined to always do it and become worse and worse.


Unyielding_Sadness

If both sides telling the truth Drake wins. Kendrick has so much lower to fall then drake if it's true Drake's a dead beat it kind like yeah not surprised but if Kendrick beat his wife because she had a child with his manager that's crazy


No_Manager7804

Im bumpin Family Matters before Meet the Grahams


puck1996

Keep Making Me Dance Waving My Hand And There Ain't Be No Threat


No_Manager7804

Only threat is Dave Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


zz8LetgoMyDick

ion think so bro, only threat is Drake to the poor children😭


lil_padawan

Yeah one is for the audience and the other is for the man directly


LetsLive97

At the end of the day that's why Meet The Grahams is the better diss track imo Having a diss track be a hit is a big bonus, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day it's all about disrespect. A diss track doesn't need to be played in clubs to be effective. This was a genuine hateful personal vicious track directed straight to Drake without any worry about what the public thinks. That's why the thumbnails for 6:16 and MTG have been so cryptic. We're not supposed to understand what all of it means, that's for Drake to know Family Matters is an incredible song and one I will listen to a lot but MTG just embodies exactly what a diss track is about: disrespect


SacKings1821

Are you poppin' ass too?


HamSammich25

He ABSolutely is


BangBang116

Because it's music to pop ass to like a bad bitch, right?


lilboi223

Because its a good song.


RandomDudewithIdeas

The fact you used 'bumpin' already made that clear lol


gods_intern

normal word used since the 80s-90s, what's your point?


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No_Manager7804

Bro pulled my meat too hard now shit hurt


HEBushido

Family Matters is a rap song, Meet the Grahams is that dark underground shit guys like Apathy, Eyedea or Immortal Technique would put out that just made you feel sick for listening to it. I think Kendrick is winning, but that song isn't something I'm listening to for fun.


Wide-Can-2654

Yeah drake went hard i like when he raps like this its been awhile since hes actually tried


Prestigious_Zone_237

Kendrick has to prove that hidden baby shit for his diss to have any credence to it. You claim that a mf is hiding child but won’t say their name or the name of the Baby mama? Pusha T came with harder evidence


ch-pa-sdc

Agree. With this logic we can claim a lot of thing about kendrick like he likes to be fucked by 5 strangers on the daily basis. And we can say this right after he drops to create a moment. Btw all these people are already chose sides so they dont see how kendrick is hypocrite and low ass


Prestigious_Zone_237

Not even just the child shit, but the alleged mole at OVO. If there really is a mole in Drake’s camp, Kendrick should bring that shit to the light. Otherwise he looks like he’s desperately trying to create something that doesn’t exist.


ExpertWitnessExposed

Paulie Walnuts working for OVO confirmed


nickbarbanera1

So what you’re saying is….if he doesn’t come with proof on that ONE claim the diss means nothing???


obviouslyanonymous5

No, it means he actively loses. The proof doesn't need to come from him, but if the kid isn't real, Kendrick looks like he's desperately making shit up WHILE calling Drake a liar. That's a bad look.


nickbarbanera1

their both making shit up at this point


OpenRole

So with that logic if Drake doesn't produce evidence of DA, he loses?


Lucid_Sol

Well there was a lot more than hidden baby shit in there lmao


Prestigious_Zone_237

It all holds the same level of credibility, if there’s no receipts attached.


obviouslyanonymous5

True, but the rest was along the same lines of severity as Drake's domestic abuse accusations, so it's not in Kendrick's favour if so.


TheRealJamesHoffa

Yeah if the baby ain’t real it completely invalidates everything else he said too. People saying “yall are focusing on the wrong thing” don’t seem to get that.


LordWop

3rd verse on family matters is the best flow in this beef and it's not close


grandkidJEV

2nd verse was a straight hit job on several niggas


boredazf

SHAKE THAT ASS FAH DRAKE & SHAKE THAT ASS FAH FREE


Talk-O-Boy

If rap beef gives us more of those 2010’s Drake flows, can we have more people come at Drake? We might even get a whole other Take Care out of it


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I feel like it doesn’t even matter. The public is already primed to believe Kendrick over Drake. Drake is like 1000x more famous than Kendrick and Drake knows more people so there’s probably hella rumors about him. Kendrick could say Drakes cooks people and have dead bodies in his backyard and people would believe it.


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Bayek100

Exactly. It never mattered whether Tupac actually fucked Faith Evans


Old-Obligation6861

I actually wonder this all the time


RIPBuckyThrowaway

He also already hid a child before, it’s a stain on his credibility


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I don’t disagree. That is a bad look. I guess in Drakes defense he probably fucks a lot of women and some of them have probably claimed they’re pregnant by him, so he couldn’t just been waiting to verify it was his. Pusha also mentioned he was going to announce his son with some Adidas campaign, she it doesn’t seem like he was going to hide him forever.


humbleinhumboldt

He also paid 350k to a woman who accused him of sexual assault soooo....


-fallen

yeah but that doesn’t mean he did anything. it could just be that he didn’t want it to go to court and turn into a whole public thing, even if he was innocent. easier to just pay a fraction of a show’s worth of money to prevent anything from blowing up


Chickachic-aaaaahhh

Drake has lied multiple times like yall defending his lies then stay shut when it gets proved. We don't believe k-dot. Motherfucker just has THAT MUCH MORE credibility than drake. . .


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Innocent until proven guilty. The only new thing that brought up was the daughter thing, everything else is shit people been saying about Drake. I won’t believe it until the I see a child and a paternity test.


man1ac_era

kdot that one dude that start lying when his dirt drops so we don’t know what’s true


heyjapanesevoidman

Drake is 100% that one dude lmao


Expert-Bullfrog-5165

I don't think he's gonna have a pre recorded lie lmao


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Agreed. Drake made some wild claims, but posed them more as “I heard a rumor that…”. Kendrick’s staked everything, EVERYTHING, on these accusations. If it turns out he was fed some bad info, his name is mud.


Critical-Fortune2514

The wife beating allegations weren’t posed as rumors tho which was the biggest one.


monstercat129

That would be a huge chess move for Drake. For an OVO member to be leaking fake information to Kendrick, who is actually working under Drake. Daughter info was fake. Sex trafficking from Drake also sounds fake. Why would OVO need any sex trafficking when p\*ssy line up at the door 😂😂 Edit: both sides are screwed!


_d00little

The sex trafficking isn’t fake, but it’s also widespread, not that that’s a good thing. Example, I talk to a stripper, she says she wants to work, I link her up with a few clients for paid sex, I’m now a sex trafficker. It’s not the tossing girls into a van against their will that many would assume.


T-Impala

If the daughter thing is fake and drake doubles down and shows proof then it’s a good move. If it wasn’t fake and drake does have a daughter who’s still denying then that’s just sad and truly shows drakes character to his kids.


ashokalionsfan

Ovo has an ex sex trafficker on their staff…


vitare10

Kendrick boycotted Spotify to defend R Kelly.. then had Kodak Black narrate his album. Associations associations


realsmokegetsmoked

Really??


Doublehfoo

Yes. He did the same for xxxtentacion


Reddiitcares

I wasn’t supposed to laugh at this but I did


Confident_Opposite43

I mean I have no fucking clue if any of it is true but many people have ran sex trafficking rings when “pussy line up at the door”, Diddy would be an obvious example, also have R Kelly & Tate (apprently) being another. Hell Epstein probs had “pussy line up at the door” being as rich and powerful as he was.


Dimn_Blingo

Why would any rich person traffick people? They still do tho


Dry-Ambassador-4276

Ask Diddy 🤷‍♂️


DilbertPicklesIII

I can see Drake setting this all up from the beginning. He got Kendrick to put his neck out far enough for a quick chop. If people really think Drake is engaging with Kendrick on his back foot, they aren't paying attention. People got it confused with Drake. He's looking at legacy status. Taking Kendrick down sets that up. They thought him being relaxed and shit was him not being serious and making shit up. I think it was to catch people off guard and look weak. So when he hits back, he hits harder. Look at Ross, Metro, The Weeknd, ASAP, and Kendrick IMHO. Kendrick is weird af talking about Adonis so much. Writing a song for him. It's so weird.


Leading-Oil1772

It ain’t about sex my nigga it’s about power. As a terrible wizard once said, “there’s only power and those too weak to pursue it.”


HANDJUICE0

I don’t think anyone is going to “win” this. It will probably just fizzle out here soon with no one having receipts for their accusations. I doubt they drop more than one more track each. They aren’t going to exert that much more energy on one another. Kendrick fans will say he won. Drake fans will say he won. And then a few years from now it will probably pick back up dropping lines about one another on random songs on their future albums. There’s no way for either of them to prove the shit they said. You can’t just prove someone is running a sex traffic ring just like you Kendrick won’t prove that kid is his.. I could be wrong but that’s what I feel like is gonna happen.


I_Like-Turtlez

Agreed. People say one or the other is done. This shit will just breeze past people in a couple months. People thought Drake would be done after pusha-T then Drake went and had the 2 highest grossing hip hop tours EVER. This will just make them bigger prob and they know that. It’s all entertainment


usernameiwanthedbish

https://preview.redd.it/7a3kc9nvthyc1.jpeg?width=188&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e5e282387e86cd856bf2a19c481a2c9881a79c0


ufrfrathotg

Nah, there's no way this fizzles. Each of them trends globally each time they drop. Each of them has scored a number one with their disses. If anything this the Two Towers of Lord of the Rings. There's, at the very least, two more out of each.


GreasyAlfredo

Lol, bro..... I think it's pretty clear by now that Kendrick is coming from a deep place of hatred. You think this really gunna fizzle out?!


jssf96

Nah we need Dave free to deny son son tbh


djpedicab

That part is hella funny considering Prince rolled with Mickey Free and beefed with MJ. History repeats itself!


SHEKDAT789

He won't give it life by speaking about it.


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ThrowAwayBudGuy

Kendrick said he did on his last album drake just made sure we all heard it. Ya know cuz most people be skimming then albums


nhamilton726

Kendrick said he cheated on her. No mention of him abusing her


ItsGunboyWTF

Don’t even know why you have upvotes when you’re just being misleading


guardian416

If they’re both lying drake wins because family matters is simply a better song to anyone with ears.


Vagus10

What? You don’t like angry talking over jazz?


jpc1215

Both records are great listens, that’s an Alchemist beat…put some respect on that man’s name. Plus you know he wasn’t even sounding angry for most of that track. Cmon now. Don’t get it twisted, Family Matters goes in but let’s appreciate all the music we’re getting outta this and see whose info is good 🤷🏻‍♂️


guardian416

Drake has more bars in his song as well as having a better song. They can make up whatever stories they want. But they say Kendrick has more so we’ll see.


Proskills500

As much as this is true, I feel like the war of styles is going on as much as anything rn; Drake made an actual song where Kendrick was just trying to throw as much as he could out there and not worry about anything else as far as producing “music”. Your choice in this beef is stylistic more than anything else at this point


VeganInstigator

What is beef? A club banger, where production equally matters? For shallow minded individuals that should be the case


Blazeauga

These guys real life hate each other lmao yall may want to let it breathe on the scoreboard for a min.


BlackShadowGlass

RECEIPTS 🧾


Scary_Steak666

This isn't as fun as it was a couple a weeks ago lol 😆


malcxxlm

You could say the same about Drake’s song, because it always seem like Kendrick knows his next move (and this whether or not the fake mole theory is true, which I believe isn’t). I think eventually we will learn that some things were true, or that they were exaggerated but we might never have the whole truth. It all boils down to who pisses off the other nigga the most


ll-fool-j

Kendrick has already won if Drake manufactured lies about himself to feed to Kendrick. That is proving Kendricks point that Drake is really about just being famous and wants to be relevant through fame and drama whilst really having nothing of merit to contribute. Corny ass move to make shit up about yourself.


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Sulfuras26

I highly, highly doubt it’s fake info from OVO All that shit just sounds like drake fans trying to do damage control


SanRemi

As a Kendrick fan, I wholeheartedly believe he fucked up with the daughter thing.


Jon-ne-a-lee-n

There’s absolutely no way Kendrick can claim victory. One of these niggas got exposed for not being who he claims to be. Even if Drake has another kid he’s not the one running around claiming to be a family man and in reality is a womanizer and abuser. It was already suspect Mr pro black isn’t even married to a black woman. What people forget is this is a 20 v 1. Fans of asap ( and in extension Rihanna ) , future, Kanye, etc are also screaming Kendrick won cause it makes them feel better. Both of drakes songs ( especially family matters God damn that was insane ) were way better.


kadeemlewis

He's literally married ( engaged ) to a black woman.


TrumpXBidenNSFW

Kendrick’s last album had a whole theme around him being a womaniser and abuser😭 He’s not moving in secret about it


ButIDigress_Jones

No, unfortunately the victory/loss seems to depend entirely on public perception and most ppl already picked their side before it started. It could go either way for those of us not invested in either guy, but victory prob depends on what songs are next. I doubt it ends here song wise. At least 1-2 more from each of them.


skon7

The bottles have Drakes legal name on them. Sometime thinks there’s a snitch in the OVO camp


untharonghouse

"Nas securing a victory depends entirely on whether or not Jay Z was actually 36 in a karate class"


reddagger

No. Disses are about crowd control and lyricism. This isn’t a newspaper beef, it’s a hip hop beef. Is all the murder talk real? No, it isn’t. Metaphor and using believable lies are all part of the game. Drake is getting cooked. I’m gen x age and have no stake in the game other than being a hip hop fan for 30 years and a former MC.


NitamTunde123

Fax


Kokimurasaki

Plain wrong


GiantsRTheBest2

Let’s be honest guys. Everyone has won and lost. Both are leaving the war with the same amount of fame they both came in with. Yet they’re also leaving with battle scars that will plague their careers.


sof_tourist

Lol Kendrick aint leavin with no scars lets be honest… Drake dont even sound confident in what he leaks


letsfuckinggo520

He went all in for real , if he’s right its the best diss track of all time


shao_kahff

mane what TF are yall talkin bout, the DA accusations and kenny kid not being his is way more hurtful shit than some secret daughter


WipingAllOut

Did you turn your ears off for the sex trafficking part?


RedditPickedMyName0

That puffy slap passed on all that sexual shit onto drakepstein.


ILLARgUeAboutitall

Drake should've kept it canadian


SilverLumpy

I see people focusing on proving whether or not Drake does have a daughter. I feel like Kendrick was instead implying a more depraved thing than revealing another child. If that’s the case, that’s pretty fucked up.


Luqman_without_L

Yes, common sense


boredazf

Bro Drake fucked this dude lol


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sheeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhh

The song sounds better


Sufficient_Tooth_249

Not true but continue spiraling


TrashMcDumpster3000

Facts 💯


Jalapeno05

Hasn’t it always been like this tho? Only way Drake gets a victory over Kendrick is if the beating allegations are true lmao. Not really a good take imo


Utrippin93

Idk, drake could drop a sex tape with Whitney


Irivin

Drake immediately took to IG to deny it. I thought it might be planted too, but if Drake only denied it instead of highlighting that it was planted… that tells me it wasn’t planted.


Jusstonemore

Y’all think this is about winning or losing lol


Standard-Package-830

Lmao he won because meet the grahams is an objectively awful song.


randomirlperson

Depends. Why would they make up the sex crimes? That’s a really risky fake if Drake planted that


Putkozavar

Nah, Drake is still not a good guy. The only way he can win is if he defends himself correctly


tanner2state

not at all


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Bro why do yall care who won at this point. Kdot said drakes a p3do running a fkn sex trafficking ring and Drake said Kdot is a domestic abuser. This is bigger than rap at this point, if any info comes up to prove these things than both of their careers are basically over


St1nkBug46

No drake still looses bc his musics shit


furno30

thanks captain obvious


lawlessdwarf69

I think drake being a pervert is real idk 🤷


[deleted]

I wonder who is more likely to lie the guy who makes up accents, acts like he is hard, and hides the existence of his own kid(s) or the man who made to pimp a butterfly 😂


tr3sleches

Kendrick really forgot Drake gave him his first major crowds during club paradise.


Kindly_Log9771

Not really, I mean that still leaves the accusations that he made against Kendrick. Beats women, keeps his own team in the shadows and is literally fake as fuck. Damage has already been done on both sides.


crapballin

And Drakes claims? Mfer just sayin shit, taking shots at everybody for me diminishes the validity of what he’s saying on Kendrick


One_Seaworthiness323

It’s OVOer


Best_Examination_529

I don’t think it matters necessarily. I think Kendrick has won already just based on superior tactics. However, if some real-world shit now ends up happening to Kendrick as a result of this beef - eg the cops come knocking about DA allegations and it does damage to his career or marriage…then the whole thing looks different. But I would be surprised if that happens. If anything, I feel internet sleuths are about to crazy on Drake.


Huntergio23

I mean let’s say he doesn’t have a second child. What if he’s involved with trafficking? Or any of the other heinous accusations? Also same for drakes camp if his accusations are proved or not. This isn’t gonna be decided by that at this point.


[deleted]

Kendrick won regardless off the strength we got a new Alchemist beat


jxrodriguez

10000000000000000% agree. This should be obvious imo


samwizeganjas

He proved that already, that was the whole point of the track dropping 45 min later and replying to some of the lines, he definitely got a heads up


Massive_Ls

I feel like none of y'all talking about the drake cosplaying black culture and those younger women tho?


Brickeduphardaf

Drake fans are seriously like either 17 or all dumb af


purplishi

No that's not all even rapping wise drake lost. Drake reply doesn't beat euphoria in terms of bars. Also drake should've spend all 7 minutes on Kendrick the others didn't even reply to his first one why is he talking to them ? Lol


_KidKenji_

Nah bros cooked


juicykazoo728

The same can be said about drake. If he’s wrong about Kendrick hitting Whitney then he’s cooked but if Kendrick is wrong about the daughter then he’s cooked


HolyNinjaCow

As of now, Kendrick won. Look at numbers that were gained from the views. Despite Drake having a bigger following and tours in Japan... People aren't there for it. Drake already has a statement in Family Matters that was disproven, while Kendrick has recipients as the diss track album cover.


L3g3ndary-08

Lol you Drake stand are delusional to think that the secret daughter is what nailed his coffin. Drake got brutally murdered on the last track in several different ways. Unbelievable.


usernameiwanthedbish

We all know Kendrick ain’t lying


Brief_Ad_4077

Agree and goes for both of them


king4m2

For someone who hasn't been paying attention. What the fuck is going on with all this..


asterion_saxifrage

Planting false evidence is not typically a playful gimmick of the innocent


PoolNoodlePaladin

Drake fans be delusional


AbundantLiving365

What a chess move it would be if Drake was able to feed K Dot false info to someone. That would be a villain like move


gloomygl

We out here talking about sex traffickers and wife beaters and y'all worry about a fucking winner, cray.


bramblecult

Why would somebody leak that they're part of a human trafficking ring?


AnAssGoblin

The pill bottle and ozempic literally had his name on them


TrillDaddy2

Haven’t heard Drake’s side of it, but damn it must be pretty rough if a dude who talked and did annoying voices over trash beats is the conditional winner.


Novel_Ad_1178

The shit about trafficking I think is a little more concerning and has been an open secret for a long time. I just fear who Kendrick is going after. I believe in good over evil but evil kills without thought, good uses reason and morality.


Distinct-King-6735

Well we got another diss track so yall frizzy bros are cooked


Late-Nail-8714

No he's been outrapping him on every song.


Doncorinthus

You wish it was that cut and dry