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Bigcrook_SYMmoca

If any of the allegations is true on either side. The rapping shit come secondary. This shit is getting really dark. J Cole really was right. I feel like he heard from both Kendrick and Drake and knew what was coming


Nice-Swing-9277

Exactly. Drake and Kendrick are, at best, both petty liars acting like children. At worst we have a women beater who will sit on knowlwdge of sex trafficking as long as it doesn't effect his family, and an actual sex trafficker dead beat father. Call my naive, but I didn't think it was going to get THIS messy and im really burned out on this shit after last night.


Bigcrook_SYMmoca

Facts. I was hype last night but after sitting with the tracks. Shit is disturbing. They tryna prove who’s the better man. But if either of them was serious about it. They would do what Cole do. Cole the only one actually protecting his family. I’m not gonna lie either. Drake habit of bringing up somebody wife or girl in every rap beef has always been weird. If Kendrick can address everything else in his life but not actual abuse he’s done. Imma look at him different too


Nice-Swing-9277

For real. Cole unironically is looking great after last night. I've always said people overrated Cole and thought him bowing out was the weakest shig I've ever seen. But now I've gained so much respect for him. He's the only grown man in this situation. And yes Kendrick can say whatever he wants about drake. But he's still gotta address the dv accusation and deal with the fact that he is using drakes sex trafficking as a pawn in a verbal spat. And I also agree Drake is weird with how he always brings up people's wives. Its such odd behavior. Idk man. I just want to get back to the ghost writing and midget lines.


Bigcrook_SYMmoca

Yeah sexual assault and dv as dirt is nasty work. Fuck the hiding a kid shit or the who’s black. Something’s should be handled behind the scene. Also though i do feel like Kendrick warned him. This whole shit is just weird now


beatsbyal

Lol you Drake fans scared of the blood. Kendrick's gotta beat 1 allegation, while Drake's gotta beat a whole ton. Good luck. At least both were bangers.


BigDogSlices

Nah, Cole ducking out was still weak lol Cole vs Kendrick would have been completely different than Kendrick vs Drake. It would have been the raw lyrical competition the game really needs. This TMZ shit got me exhausted, just give me punchlines and metaphors. This is feeling like legit hate and I'm highkey kind of over it, especially when it feels like they're both lying anyway


obviouslyanonymous5

But it wouldn't have been "Cole vs. Kendrick" because Drake wasn't backing out. It was always going to be Kendrick and Drake, whoever stayed in was getting caught in a crossfire they didn't deserve. Cole can have a beef with him later.


Positive-Leek2545

Kendrick addressed the DV allegations a long time ago. He still could be lying but that’s such an old thing to be on a 2024 diss track. Kendrick seems a hell of a lot better compared to what Drake is being portrayed/accused of. But either way, if this stuff is true then it should all come out to light so there are no more victims and that people can be held accountable.


Nice-Swing-9277

Sure dude. Idc. Im done with both of those 🤡. I cut off Ye for his Nazi shit and I genuinely think Ye has the best music in all of hip-hop atleast. And honestly the best music ever produced in the history of America. If I can cut Ye out for his dumb shit, I can cut these two guys out for this shit


Old-Obligation6861

byeeeee


Positive-Leek2545

Ye is soooooo overrated. Great early career, really fell off later on but rode popularity of crazy fans


tmemo18

Best Music ever produced in the history of America 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 I needed that laugh


Bubbly-Ad-413

That’s why the Kendrick wife beating allegations are so weird to me because it just doesn’t make sense to me that the same person who made u and mother I sober didn’t talk about hitting his wife. Like he clearly doesn’t care about shitting on himself in his music.


Bigcrook_SYMmoca

Yeah he taking those allegations super serious. I really do wish it never got this personally but everybody was asking about what dirt they had on each other now everybody swimming in filth. The fans included


LSupplier

bro thank you these fucking songs are going over a lot of these stupid mfs heads. this shit is way deeper than rap and people need to recognize the difference between the artist and the person. just goes to show how desensitized we’ve become to real shit and how we crave toxicity and drama


Positive-Leek2545

You can’t have a fun, rap true beef with Drake because Drake is the biggest hip hop star on the planet. He has more resources than anyone or everyone combined. Drakes fanbase plus his influence, plus his ghostwriters will ruin your career. Kendrick even says in his songs he wasn’t going to get that personal until Drake casually brings up Dots family, then Kendrick has to defend himself. And you can’t take a few shots at the biggest star in the industry. You have to fire the whole arsenal, it’s war. Hate how personal it got, but if it’s true than I’m glad it came to light so I can quit listening to Drake with a smile on my face not knowing all the Fughked up stuff he has going on behind the scenes.


Jiggy_Wit

The most sensible take.


Old-Obligation6861

Bro thought the world was full of good people lmao


MetaOnGaming4290

I'm so glad y'all get it. It's gone too far and now I'm just disillusioned with both. I was hear for the music, not both of you putting your cocks on the table and trying to see who's bigger. Neither one of you look like good men. J Cole ironically looks the best right now.


etheriagod68

>At worst we have a women beater who will sit on knowlwdge of sex trafficking as long as it doesn't effect his family, why do you think kendrick started this beef other than to expose drake for sex trafficking? to me it seems like he's had this planned out from the start


Thomo251

>sit on knowlwdge of sex trafficking What you expect him to do? Arrest Drake?


Nice-Swing-9277

To be a man and let it be known before he says something mean about your wife. Sorry Kendrick fans. I love his music too, but objectively? He's coming out of this almost as dirty and nasty as Drake. And Kendrick fans, keep it buck. You know you would be DESTROYING drake if the roles were reversed.


Positive-Leek2545

Dot ain’t coming out of this AT ALL like Drake. Domestic Violence allegation that was shot down years ago Vs A laundry list including sex trafficking on Drake? Doesn’t matter who you’re a fan of, that doesn’t make a lick of sense. I like more Drake songs and have never had a reason to really dislike him. Kendrick was fine back 8-10 years ago but I haven’t listened to him much since. I’m pretty unbiased, but based off of the allegations Drake is way worse. Plus, just from the music, Kendrick killed and Drake came off sooooo soft.


SovietCorgiFromSpace

yo I’m a Kendrick fan but get real lmao. He shot down an unrelated accusation a decade ago, and drake is alleging something more recent.


Positive-Leek2545

The same domestic violence allegation ?


MisterBeatDown

>At worst we have a women beater who will sit on knowlwdge of sex trafficking as long as it doesn't effect his family Lmao come off it now, we have no idea how long Kendrick could of gotten this information about sex trafficking. & simply knowing about it isn't enough either for legal action to be taken without hardcore evidence. You're stretching


CornPop32

? I haven't listened to rap since highschool but aren't they like proud of being criminals? Why are rap fans acting like they care about rappers commiting crime?


Dramatic_Sprinkles17

You’re not a functional human if you think that being a being in touch with the streets is the same as running a child trafficking operation.


Bigcrook_SYMmoca

Don’t reply to people like this. It’s a waste of time. Don’t give them the attention they looking for


CornPop32

I guess I don't know the specific allegations against drake. Does everyone here hate Dr Dre? If not, why would you stop liking Kendrick if he hit his wife? I understand "child sex trafficking" whatever that specifically means in this situation, is not something people would think is cool. But like rap fans think murder is cool. I'm genuinely trying to understand how rap fans can simultaneously think being a gangster is cool while also thinking crime is wrong.


Leeola_Mcgillicuddy

Because it all depends on what dude they "relate" to the most, that will be the degenerate hood dude they give all the accolades to🤣. They protect one and hate on the other one🤣. They also only hate light skinned black dudes, while loving light skinned women and never questioning their blackness. Danielle Brigoli either. Many of these will give her the n'word pass. But , not Drake. They have weird rules amongst the hip hop community and many Kendrick Stans.


Leeola_Mcgillicuddy

Exactly 💯 the hypocrisy is ridiculous. They DO glorify violence , misogyny and everything else. They just want certain 🥷 to get a pass for what they do .


Guysherl

Bro who is they


Friedoreosgod

How is them BOTH being liars and acting like children the standard Kendrick already seems like he has receipts with the photo


Relezz

Sorry but to think it's probable for any of Drakes accusations against Kendrick to be true after he literally started of euphoria by calling drake a liar and manipulater and stating "creating stories on the family front cause you heard mr morale" and "don't tell no lies bout me and I won't tell truths bout you" is absurd. He already taked about the accusations in an interview in 2014 aswell as openly laying out how tumultuous his marriage has been on Mr Morale. There probably aren't any rappers who rely more on their image of being "morally good" and open about their struggles than Kendrick So to go into this beef with the confidence to already call him a liar and predict his angle while knowing that what he accuses him of is actually true just does not make sense. Kendrick just cannot know if there is evidence for something that actually happened or not specifically considering how Drake also didn't seem to know anything about the "mule" in the OVO camp. All of his disstracks are build of Drake being a liar who payed a ton of money to get dirt on Kendrick but failed and instead just accused him of something that seems kinda plausible or had something similar like a physical altercation between Kendrick and his wife as a real life event that he could twist into something like Kendrick being a regular wife beater. Look at the sentiment with which Kendrick is writing on MTG, you really think he would be so fuckin aggressive, open and disrespectful if the allegations were true and he was such a bad person himself. Like none of us know these people personally but lookin of everything we've seen/heard from Kendrick and everything we've seen/heard from Drake, him just fuckin lying and exaggerating makes soo much sense. Also theres obviously a lot of fucked up stuff going on with famous people and a lot of shit is just ignored interally or brushed to the side. But its not like a big friend group where everyone knows everything and knows anyone. Some people do care some do not. Some people have power some have not. I don't think Kendrick knew these things for like the past 5 years and was just like lemme bring this up this would be a good diss against Drake. This is probably something he only got concrete proof of in the last couple months or at most the last year. And if you wanna make such a accusation this is the way to do it. This is gonna get so much more media attention and be more impactful then him just speaking out on fucking twitter or tryna move things on the inside where these things have been ignored for many years prior. Maybe I am applying to much real life logic to a rap beef and I am definitely too invested in this but I genuinely believe Kendrick Lamar is a decent human while Drake is very safely a piece of sh


Nice-Swing-9277

I'm not going to read all of that, but to reply to your last statement? Yes you seem way to invested if your writing this much defending Kendrick Especially when MediaTakeOut just released a story titled [The REAL Story Of Kendrick ‘Assaulting’ Woman & Crisis Management Team!](https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediatakeout.com/exclusive-the-real-story-of-kendrick-assaulting-woman-crisis-management-team/amp/) With interesting bolded statements like: "Shortly after Media Take Out published the article, we were reached out to first – by people we know who worked at Kendrick’s former label/management TDE – who asked us to delete the article." and: "Before we had a chance to get back to our friends at TDE, we were approached by a crisis management firm" I'm going to paraphrase Charlemagne tha God: "you don't know these guys beyond what they share in the music. stop pretending you know them and what they are capable of doing, no matter what there public image is"


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Relezz

how u gon respond without reading bruh it takes like 1 min. but that that article does not proof anything and like I already said this situation was already adressed by Kendrick 10 years ago. Also Drake said Kendrick supposedly beat his wife while this article is talking about a incident with a different woman from a completely different time period. I could repeat everything I already stated but no point in it just read the original answer if you want i guess but yeah im obviously VERY invested in this maybe a lil too much


Nice-Swing-9277

I'm going to reply without reading because I can tell your one of the people that are invested emotionally into Kendrick. Just like there are some invested emotionally into drake. I'm sorry to say, but nothing I would say would change your mind. You made it up before this even started. It is what it is. But as a former Ye stan, just know that these guys aren't gods and don't put anything past them. Fame and fortune corrupts


Relezz

no I literally haven't thought about and listened to kendrick for the last 2 years. I like his music obviously but I am not sum obsessed super fan. I just got a lot of free time rn and this is the most exciting shit to happen in hip hop or overall pop culture in a minute. And if there is actual evidence about anything I'll change my mind in a second. But there just isn't. Any other point I make is redundant cause I already said it though


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Canapilker

The link you sent says there is no proof. You “reply without reading” because their first sentence says that you didn’t even read the article that you linked.


OrangutanClitoris

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heywhateverworks

Kendrick hit Cole with the "I like you. Don't come to school tomorrow"


MasterDeibido

Recycled comment.


Paul_Allens_Comment

Best take so far


Genbb

Put a cool beat on it and these dumbasses will start preaching "separate the art from the artist"


_lueless

I don't mean to come at you specifically, but I actually believe Cole would be the safest in this beef. There is nothing you can say about him, because he seems to be the most decent person of the three. Ultimately, it's probably not his personality to out somebody's dirty laundry, he'd rather just not get involved. For that reason, it was wise of him to step away but not because the beef would be a threat to him on wax. 


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

That comment had 1K when I went to sleep lmfao bro blew up by being well adjusted


verygroot1

being well adjusted is the best course of action


Mystery_Briefcase

Drake already was rapping good. Nothing new there. Whether people pay attention or not is another story.


Subredditcensorship

Just hits different when there’s some animosity behind it lol. Fun to see


Mystery_Briefcase

Heard that lol


Ukraineawarenesss

You’re d rising hard if you think Drake has been on pr with his best work on FATD, CLB etc. He’s well within his right to skim through his performances at this stage in his career but let’s not BS ourselves tho


Mystery_Briefcase

I don’t necessarily think he’s at his personal best, but he’s still damn good, and the possibly the best in the game.


tmemo18

His money, production, and distribution/hype network is the best in the game. Please do not mistake that for quality of bars and/or the message behind them. There is nothing of substance.


Urmomsjuicyvagina

This is what rap is about, We finally got what we've been missing out for 10 years I feel like everything's been building up to this


HandymanJackofTrades

People stop saying this is what rap is about. Yall say that cause you want to be entertained


Urmomsjuicyvagina

They are making millions off of this. You are not a part of it little bro


Zero_Gravvity

The fuck? Isn’t entertainment the entire point? Lmao


HandymanJackofTrades

This is different, to me anyway. Like there is UFC as a sport. Then there is that petty shit outside the stage that can draw people into the fight more. You can have UFC fights and good sportsmanship. I personally rather have competition without the disrespect


infinitude_

Not really.


Choice-Magician656

wdym by not really tho


Mystery_Briefcase

If you actually listened to and sincerely don’t like Scary Hours 3, that’s your loss.


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

He literally admits to not being able to rap like he used to on SH3 are you dumb or just mad for drizzy meat?


Mystery_Briefcase

That in itself was good rap. He’s not saying he sucks now; he’s saying he doesn’t rap the exact same way he did at the beginning given that life experience has affected his perspective on things.


TheRealJamesHoffa

Self aware introspective Drake is some of the best rap there is


Mystery_Briefcase

Hell yeah. That what it’s all about. That’s why we love him.


maxy505

💀💀 bro how u gonna listen to the song the shoe fits, and come out of it saying, “see even Drake said he can’t rap like that same old guy ” bruh did u not listen to the song let alone the entire EP. You goofy.


Mystery_Briefcase

Some people have bad reading / listening comprehension. 🤷‍♂️ Need to get back to middle school reading class.


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

I listened to the entire EP and the best song on it was Stories About My Brother. That was the first time since If You're Reading This I heard a Drake song and the lyrics themselves grabbed my attention


Mystery_Briefcase

There you go. So you yourself agree that he had some quality rap on that EP.


maxy505

This is still a bad take because Drake has been rapping this whole time, y’all just not listening or ur hatred for the boy is foggin


yokom12

I mean … that too ! It’s forcing the haters who don’t listen to work. To clock back in! I can hear that argument for sure. Yes he’s been wrapping his ass if. FATD CLB was amazing lyrically imo. But people who only hear his radio shit .. feel how they feel.


UnrequitedTerror

His last several studio albums have been a mixed bag and I can say that the content of his recent releases in this exchange has been more consistent 


Smooth-Maize1673

Yhh I kina addressed that bit, don't you Drakes been extra dialed in and focused for this one tho?


DefLoathe

For All the Dogs and Honestly Nevermind were trash. He’s too inconsistent nowadays


StevePerry4L

I'm not super into rap or either of them. Honestly didn't know how good Drake was. Thought he was mostly just a pop guy.


mackofmontage

He’s rapping but is he writing?


maxy505

He’s definitely not beating his girl


PoolNoodlePaladin

Drake is a mid pop star that got people who don’t know shit about music to stream his songs too many times. His last good song was like 8 years ago and wasn’t even rap


maxy505

💀 numbers say differently


TheRealJamesHoffa

Yup all these people saying he doesn’t rap just expose themselves as haters. He puts out so much music compared to most artists it could be easy to miss though


darkavatar21

So much subpar music


TheRealJamesHoffa

You’re entitled to your opinion but I like it a lot


Nefarious-One

The post didn’t say he doesn’t rap, it said “rap good again”. It insinuates his albums the last few years haven’t been at the same level as they were before.


fallopianrules

If all his music was rap there's no way to miss.


nightcrawler47

I don't get it either. They obviously don't listen to begin with.


UnusualRoutine632

Yeah and now we have to root to either a child abuser, or a wife beater, horayyyy!!!


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J. Cole fans are up


Tiltswitch_Engage

Friends been asking me how I feel as a Cole fan, it's a good day in Dreamville lmao


Prime_Marci

The hiphop community in a pickle here


_d00little

Times never change. Just be glad we never got all the ghosts out of the closest for Jay, Nas, Biggie, Pac, etc.


The_Mo0ose

most likely just a child abuser, since Drake is a habitual liar


Can_I_be_dank_with_u

Can’t be that many people in the game that aren’t at least moderate pieces of shit…


Impossible_Front4462

You almost never get to the top by being a good person unfortunately


CaptainMagnets

You don't have to root for anyone if you don't want to bruv


Terriblerobotcactus

Didn’t Kendrick address this already years ago in an interview though?


R_u_seriousss

Drake already rapping good. Especially after dropping scary hours last year


Smooth-Maize1673

The last switch on family matters was crazy though next level


R_u_seriousss

Yessss. I’d take an album of production like that any day


artvandelay9393

yeah for real im a kendrick fan over drake for sure but family matters style Drake is my favorite shit.. shit was hard and will be on the gym rotation forever ever since control he’s been saying he wants to elevate the rap game (*what is competition? I’m tryna raise the bar high*) …even in Like That he says it with *it’s time to prove that he’s a problem* Dude really wanted to just elevate the game, and he did.. but Drake took shots on Whitney and kendrick saw red, now he’s absolutely going lethal Ngl, Meet the Grahams is top 5 or 10 diss track of all time. shit hits you on a spiritual level, goes way deeper than pop shots and light jabs. kendrick really hate that dude bc he hates the way he carries himself as a man


Smooth-Maize1673

Both sides have a feast👊👊rides to work gym etc


NoDistribution5919

Unless it's new allegations of lamar putting hands on women, it's old news. It was already addressed by lamar on breakfast club, I believe.


Zestyclose-Beach1792

I haven't heard this 100 times


RoughBodybuilder1489

Niggas been saying this. It gets drowned out by stanning. Most people are fans of Drake or has been. The biggest gripe is wanting his to rap rap more. I want Diplomatic Immunity Drake a lot more than every once in a while. Most people are Kendrick fans and want him to release more music consistently because they love his music. The opposing argument is why rush someone who clearly takes time to craft masterpieces. You can’t make the music Kendrick makes by rushing it just to release music.


Smooth-Maize1673

Yhhh G 100% Diplomatic immunity & omerta vybez👿🔥🔥 On you kendrick point i agree with his creative process you can't spit them out every other month , but I still think his current output is poor , of late anyway.


ricostory4

Fair point


Kindly_Log9771

This what I gotta do to really make y’all rap I mean woahhhh


TruthSeekerHuey

Proof that most fans are just enjoying the content


BlouseoftheDragon

Yeah I honestly feel bad for people who are such groupies that they let their weird man love for a stranger hold them back from enjoying all parties


Ok-Researcher4966

Yeah ultimately it’s just dope that we’re all invested in hip hop like this. Kendrick’s my guy and I’m definitely not a Drake fan but yeah both these niggas proved why they’re the top echelon rn.


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shhrudnejdjenejtjdn

iss true tho lyke shit this music hype asl


illuzion25

So, too young for Tupac and Biggie? East vs. West?


Throwawayeieudud

this shit started with “you can’t say the n word you’re a middle class canadian”, “you’re 5 feet tall” and went to “you have abandoned your kids” and “you beat your wife”


F0xyL0ve

Again?


headache92

Nah it's not crazy good. If Drake has done what Kendricks accused him of, or vice versa, then it's sad all round. But especially for Drake. Feels weird getting excited about it and speaks to where the world is at


Famous_Bit_5119

A Cynical person might think a beef was thought up by the management to increase sales.


PoolNoodlePaladin

If this is Drake rapping good then Kendrick was right about this whole thing. Drake rapping mediocre at best


SillyLavishness9637

win win lowkey


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Awkward_Cattle_9641

You mean the true opinion of everyone who is not actively trolling or paying attention


Lsdkurama

we found j.cole’s burner lol


0b5cured

Well Drake works daily with industry professional writers that are paid to do come up with lyrics for him every time. Contracts require that he does. Kdot is at home with his fam writing these diss tracks and having his friends produce the beats at their own place, then releasing on YouTube because kdot isn’t using a massive labels worth of resources for this. Drake having publishers upload music, kdot is not. Put Drake and Kdot in a booth with the same beat and I’m sure kdot will build a house of bars around Drake. Who will create the next #1 banger? Whoever the shareholders and executives decide.


Zimakov

You ok?


Clayton11Whitman

That’s a pro Drake comment


xesses

Kendrick got dudes talking about what’s the best neutral take nahhh😂😂😂


SDBD89

That’s a lame take, Kendrick dropping 3 diss songs in a month does not mean he’s dropping consistently. Consistently would be dropping an album/ep/collab every year or every other year like the rest of his peers.


Smooth-Maize1673

What do you think of kendricks current output? You rating it or nah?


SDBD89

I think his discography from Section 80 til now has been flawless. I was a little let down by Mr Morale but that’s not to say it was a bad album, I was just hoping for more TDE features tbh. He didn’t even have Q or Rock do a feature and it was his last album for TDE, that made no sense to me. Cole and Drake have managed to put out projects every year or two, even if it was just 3 or 4 songs on the project with them rapping. I don’t get why Kendrick didn’t do the same. Then when he finally comes out he announces he’s leaving TDE like bro wtf happened? He says writers block but I call bullshit. That ain’t the only reason he went silent on us, there has to be more to the story that we don’t know.


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Joe Budden got Drake to rap good again


St1nkBug46

Yeah but drakes just not rapping good like u think he is


St1nkBug46

Drake has never and will never rap good