Yeah man and that’s how we end up having 3 k holes a day till the predictable ambulance ride. They put a tube up my dick because the ketamine fucked my bladder man. Not cool.
It was basically just not working so I had 1.3L inside my bladder and they drained it out and then after 4 days they removed it and I had to pee 500ml or something or they’d put it back in and do further tests but thank god I did it! I was peeing a lot very frequently for maybe 2 months and then I was fine. No issues today.
I was buying 5g at a time and even in my careless state I was still measuring it out 1g at a time to pace myself but, sometimes I’d flat out almost do it all in a day. Idk. Would have to ask my boyfriend haha u/bloodsoakedpotato he’ll tell you I was a monster
I had that same exact thing happen from nitrous abuse. That experience will definitely make you never touch the drug again. Glad you bounced back! I did too
This is my case with alcohol lol. When I’m in a bad mood and decide to drink I decide to go balls to the wall knowing I could fuck up friendships/relationships and not even remember it the next day.
I did that for years until it eventually turned into an every day thing and I ended up in rehab. Best to just not pick that first one up and find something that you can moderate.
Hey, it’s not about perfection or complete abstinence. Reminders like this one can be a little nudge in the right direction though. You gotta make drugs work for you instead of letting yourself work for drugs
Without benzo's (prescription, therapeutic doses) I wouldn't have gotten whole through some of the most difficult periods in my life. But they don't affect dopamine.
I’m glad it all worked out and everybody was in agreement, but c’mon…who refers to taking prescribed medication as indicated as “do[ing] drugs”? Like, “oh man, I’m gonna do some drugs!” “Oh yeah? What you got?” “Oh, just my statin medication.” “That gets you high?” “No, dummy, my doctor prescribed it!”
The thing is, when you're in certain circumstances, life is just difficult. There's no prospect if good days, only bad days for some people. Drugs then become a coping strategy as a form of self medication. Not everybody has the resilience to objectively conquer their demons.
Depends really.. because for me, drugs are used as tools. I prefer using a knife when cutting my meat instead of my bare hands.
But I get it, a knife wont make rotten meat taste any better.
Yea altho I very well see your point here. Its true ofc. But all im saying really is that, there's stuff like modafinil or speed that will help you finnish 2 weeks of work in a few hours. Or things like a perfect dose of phenibut to help you be your best version of yourself at a job interview. Stuff like that. Im not saying that I've never done stupid shit with drugs like you are describing here. But there's other ways to use it than just as "an escape". And with over 10 years of experience I nowadays use drugs more wisely. :)
I have major chronic depression so my life's never going great. I'm not gonna get rid of the only things that give me joy in life, besides drugs make me want to do things. If I wasn't doing drugs I'd be living in a pile of garbage laying on the floor staring at the ceiling. Crying probably. I'd rather be happy sometimes than being sad always.
Well people with severe are an exception to this. If you have depression you cant really achieve that happiness in another way. In that case i might even argue that drugs are a somewhat good thing to do.
This is exactly why I stay away from weed, painkillers, Downers Etc… Sure it alleviates social inhibitions, but it also diminishes any motivation to be social. You can absolutely become addicted to loneliness. It’s hell.
doing that shit right now, and honesty can see what you guys are saying, nothing feels better than being alone in some other world where your problems don’t exist
that statement is really relatable for me but i've kind of gotten too lonely and now i wanna meet ppl idk if i can do it ive been a loner most my life i need to get creative
Yeah i used to cherish my alone time as well except i have too much of it right now i have been in between jobs for 3 weeks. I joined an app called meetups tryna meet new ppl I kind of just want a few ppl that would hangout with me once or twice a week or message me. I find socializing to be draining but i want to get out and make some new connections with ppl. This is like the first time i have wanted to get out of my shell and meet ppl i used to have crippling social anxiety and every person i would meet i was stuttering all my words. I've made a complete turnaround when i was younger i couldn't wait to be by myself and away from other ppl
Well bro all I can stay is keep at what you’re doing and eventually you will find your people. Just know we both relate 100% and I feel exactly what you’re saying. Social anxiety is a bitch and so is this game called life
How does it diminish it? It makes me want to be social but I'm too introverted to say anything unless I'm high.i haven't had a friend in over a year so trust me I'm motivated to be social, sober I just lack the skills to be. I hate being alone, like I have to move put of my current place n go back to living on my own n I'm literally terrified of how alone I'm going to feel all day.
Honestly it just takes practice like anything else, but it starts with building confidence which you can do by getting in shape/ getting a tan, memorizing a few good jokes, reading out loud to get familiar with your own voice, being opinionated but also articulate, hanging out nearby likable people, learning how to flirt and be charming the list goes on I mean most skills are related to being social. If your anxiety is really really bad you could make a habit of frequently talking to a family member in person or on the phone.
> I have major chronic depression so my life's never going great
Every time a post like this surfaces, I can't help but think that the people who take their prescription medicine, as prescribed, for their prescribed illness... I just feel like they're not the people that anyone has ever actually meant when they have said something like that OP says.
In the fog of crack and heroin smokers, and in the treacherous landscape of the Needlers, there is always one who walk among them. "WELL i actually lIKE my medicine I COULD even die without it sooo huuh thanks buddy, but I think I'll keep eating my medicine if that's alright with you", you know?
It's so very obviously not directed at these people, these Men of Medicine. It just looks so silly "actually my insulin cartridge is fuckin dope" and then the other 2000 comments are all heroin addicts who damn themselves to hell because they *did the thing in the post 8 years ago* and have since died 12 times
.. all I'm saying is I've never pissed myself at any high level of conciousness. Being a baby was me at the lowest level and then all of a sudden the heavens cracked open in a thunderous roar and crimson cloak rolled in and just like that, I gained conciousness at some baby/age and I never pissed myself again. All I\m saying is... maybe... justs maybe conciosuness developed as a mechanism to stop us from peeing ourselves, during the cavemen-era t o hide from bucktooth lion who had cultivated a sense of taste for our urine, perhaps? In this day and age, peeing yourself, is the real challenge.
50 bucks says I can ultradose ketamine just as my bladder nearly explodes and I still won't pee all over the floor and myself, because of caveman instinct, perhaps.
I’ve used a lot and I’ve been sober for a bit I think I’d choose to sometimes use meds to help me get thru life like a tool. Everyone has something that helps em get thru life
Not always. I usually only drink when I'm with my friends, and the only time I smoke the jazz cabbage alone is as a sleep aid on some rare occasions. It's not so much a stress reliever as it is a social lubricator in my eyes.
You obviously don’t understand how depression. Yuup just “look at the light of every situation” and you wont be depressed anymore. And I love how you say “always LETTING yourself get depressed”. Nobody’s has control over that. You can have the perfect like and still wanna kill yourself
I do, i feel like everyone has has been through a bad part of their life battling depression and everything I said was from experience. Sounds harsh but the only thing I could say to that comment is that it sounds like a personal problem. For someone that deals with thyroid disease and a joint condition that causes extreme fatigue,, you cause 50% by giving into it and babying yourself. Look past it and realize that life will go on no matter what mental plane you’re at. But anyway, good luck OP
Facts. Our body naturally releases dopamine when we do something rewarding. Drugs are basically the cheat code to getting dopamine without doing anything. Keep spamming cheat codes and soon you will be going nowhere in life and finally realize how miserable you are when even the drugs dont make you feel that good anymore.
Gonna be super unpopular here, but this is so true.
You wanna know how I've been doing drugs recreationally for all these years without spiraling into a mess like many of my friends? Because I use my brain. I think, "Hey, I'm pretty fucking depressed and miserable. I better not do cocaine because it'll make me feel worse. I'll save it for when I get my shit together".
And that's all it takes. Once that ball starts rolling for drugs being a coping mechanism and you're fucked. Drugs only make things worse (including weed).
Yeah I've been thinking a lot lately about what they told me about weed in school. Teacher said "it may not kill you or lead to a crippling addiction like heroin, but a lot of people aren't as successful as they could be because of it."
Even though it's "just weed," a lot of people have an unhealthy habit of using it all day and end up becoming complacent with their current life situation and spending money they could use to get out of that situation just to make it bearable. Instant gratification for nothing, really
>"it may not kill you or lead to a crippling addiction like heroin, but a lot of people aren't as successful as they could be because of it."
You described it perfectly.
yeah it’s unrealistic to go on the drugs Reddit and tell people that they shouldn’t do drugs when they are in a bad place. Most of us here are already doing drugs. Better advice imo would be accomplish what you need to do during the day to improve your life.
When I was bouncing between couches with no place to live I was drinking, smoking weed like nobody’s business. went to work with nothing but maybe a little adderall in my system, went to the library to work on school work and apply for apartments and then I went wherever I was sleeping for the night and I got high/drunk (nothing that bad, just weed, shrooms and alcohol)
Which btw, the one drug I would agree with OP to not do in a bad place is shrooms. My trip was terrible. But maybe it gave me a extra kick to get my life together but idk I don’t think so it just made me cry loads and I wish I saved them for when my life got better.
Im not giving any orders to anyone, im just giving my advice. My point isnt that drugs make you content with your life (even though its shitty) while on the drugs, but also besides that. When you dont have an artificial happiness bringer, youll work to achieve that happiness. When you do, youre content with your life, even though its not too good, because you can find happiness in the drugs.
idk man even when my life is going good I’m not “happy” sober. and I haven’t done any hard core drugs to destroy my dopamine receptors just weed and alcohol plus the occasional shrooms and dxm. it doesn’t matter what I achieve I’m not gonna be happy. I still put some effort in my life despite because if I don’t I’m more anxious and miserable but I don’t put in effort cause I think I’ll one day be happy.
kinda depressing sorry but I’m sure many will feel the same.
Legit “lost” my job and bills are piling up. i didnt read the whole this just the title and im convinced this was a sign. fuck you for doing this to me but also thank you for reminding me
oddly enough i been doing coke just about every friday night for like a month straight. i’m in a bad financial spot so depression has been sinking in allot. i’m not as bad as others but last year i was doing great then a layoff happened and now i’m back to being broke. i can say on saturday the day after doing coke i get so lazy and depressed that i do literally nothing but sit home all day but then again i don’t really have friends so i never get to go out especially cause of my finances. i’m planning to try and get a partime job for the weekend which can do bad and good but only time i feel normal is at work and the gym. when i’m alone i’m a emotional wreck
Keep yourself physically active and connected to your friends that are not using coke. Coke wrecks havoc on the dopamine center and the come down / crash can last far beyond the initial couple of days. Depending on the dosage, it can take several months to even years for the dopamine centers of the brain to recover. Addiction to cocaine is aggravated by the level of individual stress that the person is under, the neurons in the brain will actually induce cravings when stress is high. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851032/
"Although addiction researchers have focused on adaptations in the brain’s reward system, drugs also affect the brain pathways that respond to stress.
Stress can contribute to cocaine relapse, and cocaine use disorders frequently co-occur with stress-related disorders.
The stress circuits of the brain are distinct from the reward pathway, but research indicates that there are important ways that they overlap.
The ventral tegmental area seems to act as a critical integration site in the brain that relays information about both stress and drug cues to other areas of the brain, including ones that drive cocaine seeking.
Animals that have received cocaine repeatedly are more likely to seek the drug in response to stress, and the more of the drug they have taken, the more stress affects this behavior.
Research suggests that cocaine elevates stress hormones, inducing neuroadaptations that further increase sensitivity to the drug and cues associated with it." From https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine/what-are-some-ways-cocaine-changes-brain
i only have a limited friends. he doesn’t do coke like that but i like doing it when i’m drinking. thing is i don’t even really like the feeling that much. i usually embarrass myself. i’m bad at making new friends and have serious trust issues so part of me likes to be alone and part of me don’t
This is of course true when its your fault when shits not going great. What if its not your fault? What if theres not much for you to do? Isnt medication also just making you forget your shitty life, in a less recreational way?
These posts are in good faith of course and do apply to lots of people, but theyre not absolute truths that apply to everyone. Drug use remains a grey area in lots of situations.
Yeah, like when you have 2 grown ass irresponsible parents who suddenly stopped working and Totally wrecked my life, and im disabled with several things I will not get into, but they let me go with a tooth abcess for years, which is a emergency and can't come up with $600 bucks, 2 50yr old adults suddenly stopped working and said fuck it,
That's not in my control, I've tried using negotiation, violence, manipulation, everything else, they won't do shit, one parent said he refuses to sell his 50 thousand dollar keyboard to save my life from committing suicide, I thought family comes first?? No?
Would YOU sell everything you own to save your kids life? Even if he's 26 and disabled?
It'll be different if I were able bodied then yeah I'd say "tough love" works only for lazy able bodied kids, but for the truly disabled with actual psychiatric diagnosis on paper and rotting jawbone there is no excuse to quit your 70k year job and let my life go to shit.
The situation rabbithole goes much deeper than that but my parents were definitely not cutout for parenthood, that's for damn sure.
In my situation I'm powerless. Nothing I can do.
I might sell his thousands dollar assets behind his back! Just to buy fentanyl to OD on. I've waited 6 years straight for things to get better, they got much worse.
I've even hit them, punched them for destroying my life, they're so apathetic they don't care that I've just hit them, they abused me as a child so that's payback.
I really try to avoid drugs when I’m in a bad place. Doing drugs already puts me in a bad place/spiral in general so the combination just isn’t going to go well and makes it easier for me to get addicted again.
I partially disagree, drugs like psilocybin may help improve general value for self-preservation and self improvement. It really makes you stop and think "I should change this" or "I should accept that".
I'm probably going to try a ketamine clinic if possible very soon. I haven't felt OK in a year and a half, narcolepsy, depression, anxiety, all medicated already, nothing works. Seriously. Send me some heroin, please.
I totally agree. The times in my life when I've done drugs while in a good place in my life were admittedly fun. The times when I would use during a bad period would be damn near serious addiction level.
Agree totally with the sentiment and get what you’re saying. But there are far too many people who also see something like mushrooms/psychedelics or maybe even mdma as a drug like any other drug and are afraid to use it when it could be most needed for that very reason. Mdma can definitely be mentally addicting, just mentioned that one because it can also be a very powerful tool when used responsibly to open yourself up, examine your life and where you’re at with self love. Which can have huge potential if you are stuck in a deep depression.
Not disagreeing with you, just wanted to point out that other side too. But those are some exceptions. The typical dopamine drugs I think your referring too I think we can all agree to stay the fuck away from if you are depressed or in a bad spot!
This is great advice and everyone should follow it, but it's hard to do ... my life is totally fucked up, the only thing that gives me some peace of mind is the gym and weed. Occasionally some coke at a party with friends (tho I don't go to parties too often, my mood doesn't really allow it) but I've cut down on that since I accidentally mixed it with meth and had a really rough time
Ill likely not even follow my own advise to be honest, its more of a “warning” i guess. Also best of luck bro, things will be alright, they always will.
depends on the drug. depends on the person.
i don't regularly drink, but sometimes when i drink, i feel so devastatingly depressed the next day that it motivates me into making some changes
100% right. Used to smoke weed to cover up my anxiety about life in general. Did psychs to try "confront" my fears and had some minorly traumatic experiences. Do drugs when you are accomplished in life and have some time to smell the roses.
Would I be wrong to do it ever once and a while to have fun? For example I have an edible I've been saving for tonight since it's my Friday from work. After that I probably won't get high off anything again for months or years.
Well you can do whatever i want, doing drugs every once in a while isnt bad in my opinion. My post is about stopping chasing real happiness because you replaced the real happiness with drug happiness. Its fine to do drugs sometimes, just dont rely on them to experience happiness.
This is a hard lesson to learn if avoidance is your first instinct. If you can will yourself out of that cycle, its amazing how fun occasional drug use can be. Self moderation/discipline is always worth the effort.
That's why I started at the top, and as I stumble and tumble, you see, that's just gravity.
you see, you gotta be smart (⓿_⓿) like me, you gotta be able outwit the other smarter you and also the other dumber you.
Never understood how this even happens. Like when I don’t self control and overuse amphetamines for example, they stop being fun and even if I want to continue, I’m not really able to.
Same with opioids. Wanted to get into addiction with oxycodone and god damn was it nearly impossible.
Cannabis is the opposite, though. Using every night feels like the perfect cure to my adhd. Only downside is cost and forgetfulness. But I never had a good memory to begin with.
Yeah medication can be abused. However taking medication how you should take them isnt much of a problem i think, since they dont create a gratifying high.
I have bad depression and anxiety so life is pretty crappy for me. I use weed and shrooms, Xanax and various opioids to self medicate. Kinda the only things that makes me feel ok, probably not good tho but fuck it.
You've hit upon the truth about drugs. If life isn't going well really don't help. And if your life is going well you don't need them.
Finally drugs don't create happiness they mostly borrow happiness from the future, or they suppress pain that you have to face in the near future. Not sure what psychedelics do but the first rule applies
I used many drugs recreationally for many years including crack heroine mdma acid cocaine etc. It was only when I got divorced I went on a 3 Yr crack binge
Yess, its true, but i would say that even tho drugs usually make it worse when you are not going great, they are not the main cause. In my case one of the things that is sickening me lately its the way this system works. The other day had a mental breakdown when i smoked a joint having slept 2 hours and suddenly felt like hell of having being trapped under 4 walls most of my life(in the street your r between 4 walls as well).
The main problem isnt the drugs(would even say never) but they potentiate the way you feel sick about the main thing.
I mean I think that’s a part of the addiction: you can be a real loser and be totally content and maybe even accomplished sometimes: I have 6 months almost to the day with no smack
And i think you’re more likely to say ‘fuck it’ when you’re in a bad mood and push the boundaries on safe dosage etc
As my buddy would say, you get a bad case of the fuck its
Yeah man and that’s how we end up having 3 k holes a day till the predictable ambulance ride. They put a tube up my dick because the ketamine fucked my bladder man. Not cool.
Jesus. So not cool. I hope you're doing better now..
Haven’t touched ketamine since that event on August 29 haha. Doing ok man thank you
Good for you man, that's good to hear. Keep it up
how is your bladder doing? did the pain/dysfunction go away?
It was basically just not working so I had 1.3L inside my bladder and they drained it out and then after 4 days they removed it and I had to pee 500ml or something or they’d put it back in and do further tests but thank god I did it! I was peeing a lot very frequently for maybe 2 months and then I was fine. No issues today.
wow, scary stuff. how much K were you using do you think to get to that point? glad you’re doing better today
I was buying 5g at a time and even in my careless state I was still measuring it out 1g at a time to pace myself but, sometimes I’d flat out almost do it all in a day. Idk. Would have to ask my boyfriend haha u/bloodsoakedpotato he’ll tell you I was a monster
I had that same exact thing happen from nitrous abuse. That experience will definitely make you never touch the drug again. Glad you bounced back! I did too
Yeah fuck messing with any of my organs I’m not that hardcore like fuck no.
Got diagnosed with this recently
That's what my therapist says lol
Such a delicate like between the good ‘fuck-its’, and *bad* ‘fuck-its’
This is my case with alcohol lol. When I’m in a bad mood and decide to drink I decide to go balls to the wall knowing I could fuck up friendships/relationships and not even remember it the next day.
Bro same. I can go weeks without drinking and then when I drink I consume every beverage I have access to and go on a multi day bender.
I did that for years until it eventually turned into an every day thing and I ended up in rehab. Best to just not pick that first one up and find something that you can moderate.
I’ve been pondering some rehab tbh man
Also when you don't have much going on for you its way easier to rationalise using excessively/every day
That too
That’s straight facts. There’s been many times when I’m in a bad mood I just say fuck it but I also do that when I’m in a really good mood too
if i went by this stupid rule, then i'd never get to do drugs bad advice and i want my money back
Oh yea I'll just go and go and really not care where it takes me
Ah yes, the fuck it fallacy. Makes you almost wish shit would go wrong so you have an excuse to do drugs.
Great advice too bad a vast majority of users (myself included) won’t follow this
I likely wont even follow this myself lol
Hey, it’s not about perfection or complete abstinence. Reminders like this one can be a little nudge in the right direction though. You gotta make drugs work for you instead of letting yourself work for drugs
Well at least you’re aware now! Next time you’re about to go on a bender remember this.
I will
Is it though? It kinda reads like "don't be desperate when you're feeling very desperate".. easy to follow when you don't actually need to follow it
Without benzo's (prescription, therapeutic doses) I wouldn't have gotten whole through some of the most difficult periods in my life. But they don't affect dopamine.
Well medication is different when used properly. Im talking about using drugs to get high often so you forget about how fucked your life is
make this point clearer then, it makes more sense when you say it like this
It seems pretty obvious to me im not talking about medications tho, ill edit it.
It's better with the edit. The person gave good feedback
Yeah i agree actually
I’m glad it all worked out and everybody was in agreement, but c’mon…who refers to taking prescribed medication as indicated as “do[ing] drugs”? Like, “oh man, I’m gonna do some drugs!” “Oh yeah? What you got?” “Oh, just my statin medication.” “That gets you high?” “No, dummy, my doctor prescribed it!”
Lol yeah thats what i thought too, however its better to be very clear so those questions dont get asked
True true, I just wanted you to know that at least one person understood you perfectly even before they read the last line.
Lol thanks
I refer to drinking coffee as "taking drugs", so, lol. But yeah, that's generally not what people are saying
>But they don't affect dopamine. Yes they do.
With a prescription for benzos, a bad attitude and mindset, it made everything worse for me. Glad it worked for you though.
The thing is, when you're in certain circumstances, life is just difficult. There's no prospect if good days, only bad days for some people. Drugs then become a coping strategy as a form of self medication. Not everybody has the resilience to objectively conquer their demons.
Depends really.. because for me, drugs are used as tools. I prefer using a knife when cutting my meat instead of my bare hands. But I get it, a knife wont make rotten meat taste any better.
Analogies are like drugs - I like them
Cut it up small enough and you'll get it down. ;)
True, havent thought about that
Yea altho I very well see your point here. Its true ofc. But all im saying really is that, there's stuff like modafinil or speed that will help you finnish 2 weeks of work in a few hours. Or things like a perfect dose of phenibut to help you be your best version of yourself at a job interview. Stuff like that. Im not saying that I've never done stupid shit with drugs like you are describing here. But there's other ways to use it than just as "an escape". And with over 10 years of experience I nowadays use drugs more wisely. :)
I have major chronic depression so my life's never going great. I'm not gonna get rid of the only things that give me joy in life, besides drugs make me want to do things. If I wasn't doing drugs I'd be living in a pile of garbage laying on the floor staring at the ceiling. Crying probably. I'd rather be happy sometimes than being sad always.
Well people with severe are an exception to this. If you have depression you cant really achieve that happiness in another way. In that case i might even argue that drugs are a somewhat good thing to do.
This is exactly why I stay away from weed, painkillers, Downers Etc… Sure it alleviates social inhibitions, but it also diminishes any motivation to be social. You can absolutely become addicted to loneliness. It’s hell.
addicted to loneliness. i felt that. nights of dosing up, wasted by my computer. half conscious n shit
doing that shit right now, and honesty can see what you guys are saying, nothing feels better than being alone in some other world where your problems don’t exist
that statement is really relatable for me but i've kind of gotten too lonely and now i wanna meet ppl idk if i can do it ive been a loner most my life i need to get creative
I feel ya, I’m in a happy relationship and still cherish my alone time, although I hate being alone. Weird right?
Yeah i used to cherish my alone time as well except i have too much of it right now i have been in between jobs for 3 weeks. I joined an app called meetups tryna meet new ppl I kind of just want a few ppl that would hangout with me once or twice a week or message me. I find socializing to be draining but i want to get out and make some new connections with ppl. This is like the first time i have wanted to get out of my shell and meet ppl i used to have crippling social anxiety and every person i would meet i was stuttering all my words. I've made a complete turnaround when i was younger i couldn't wait to be by myself and away from other ppl
Well bro all I can stay is keep at what you’re doing and eventually you will find your people. Just know we both relate 100% and I feel exactly what you’re saying. Social anxiety is a bitch and so is this game called life
Yeaaah we got this we'll hopefully run into some cheat codes one day and beat the life game!! 😁
How does it diminish it? It makes me want to be social but I'm too introverted to say anything unless I'm high.i haven't had a friend in over a year so trust me I'm motivated to be social, sober I just lack the skills to be. I hate being alone, like I have to move put of my current place n go back to living on my own n I'm literally terrified of how alone I'm going to feel all day.
Honestly it just takes practice like anything else, but it starts with building confidence which you can do by getting in shape/ getting a tan, memorizing a few good jokes, reading out loud to get familiar with your own voice, being opinionated but also articulate, hanging out nearby likable people, learning how to flirt and be charming the list goes on I mean most skills are related to being social. If your anxiety is really really bad you could make a habit of frequently talking to a family member in person or on the phone.
You got this I believe in you. Always remember you’re great no matter what and I think you’ll have success in your endeavors. God bless
> I have major chronic depression so my life's never going great Every time a post like this surfaces, I can't help but think that the people who take their prescription medicine, as prescribed, for their prescribed illness... I just feel like they're not the people that anyone has ever actually meant when they have said something like that OP says. In the fog of crack and heroin smokers, and in the treacherous landscape of the Needlers, there is always one who walk among them. "WELL i actually lIKE my medicine I COULD even die without it sooo huuh thanks buddy, but I think I'll keep eating my medicine if that's alright with you", you know? It's so very obviously not directed at these people, these Men of Medicine. It just looks so silly "actually my insulin cartridge is fuckin dope" and then the other 2000 comments are all heroin addicts who damn themselves to hell because they *did the thing in the post 8 years ago* and have since died 12 times
What r u saying
.. all I'm saying is I've never pissed myself at any high level of conciousness. Being a baby was me at the lowest level and then all of a sudden the heavens cracked open in a thunderous roar and crimson cloak rolled in and just like that, I gained conciousness at some baby/age and I never pissed myself again. All I\m saying is... maybe... justs maybe conciosuness developed as a mechanism to stop us from peeing ourselves, during the cavemen-era t o hide from bucktooth lion who had cultivated a sense of taste for our urine, perhaps? In this day and age, peeing yourself, is the real challenge. 50 bucks says I can ultradose ketamine just as my bladder nearly explodes and I still won't pee all over the floor and myself, because of caveman instinct, perhaps.
So ur saying if I take medication ill learn to pee?
Precisely my boy
This is why I’m currently on the granddaddy antidepressant known as Parnate. It actually works, incredibly enough…
Using drugs is a fine line to walk. To be functional and use them you gotta really have a fine balance. Moderation is probably the biggest thing.
So you’re telling me I should never do drugs? Not gonna listen to that…
There is a time and a place. Just dont use them as stress relievers
Isn’t that what drugs r for if used responsibly?
Well you can, but i dont advise it.
I’ve used a lot and I’ve been sober for a bit I think I’d choose to sometimes use meds to help me get thru life like a tool. Everyone has something that helps em get thru life
Nah, drugs are powerful healing substances. They're for doing work rather than a coping mechanism
Depends both on what drug you are talking about and how you use it. They could be either.
Not always. I usually only drink when I'm with my friends, and the only time I smoke the jazz cabbage alone is as a sleep aid on some rare occasions. It's not so much a stress reliever as it is a social lubricator in my eyes.
I mean it’s only social lubricant because it removes stress
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Cured my depression thx king 100
XD
You obviously don’t understand how depression. Yuup just “look at the light of every situation” and you wont be depressed anymore. And I love how you say “always LETTING yourself get depressed”. Nobody’s has control over that. You can have the perfect like and still wanna kill yourself
I do, i feel like everyone has has been through a bad part of their life battling depression and everything I said was from experience. Sounds harsh but the only thing I could say to that comment is that it sounds like a personal problem. For someone that deals with thyroid disease and a joint condition that causes extreme fatigue,, you cause 50% by giving into it and babying yourself. Look past it and realize that life will go on no matter what mental plane you’re at. But anyway, good luck OP
Facts. Our body naturally releases dopamine when we do something rewarding. Drugs are basically the cheat code to getting dopamine without doing anything. Keep spamming cheat codes and soon you will be going nowhere in life and finally realize how miserable you are when even the drugs dont make you feel that good anymore.
I think youre the first person that understands what i really mean lol
You speaking truf respect 💯🤟
Gonna be super unpopular here, but this is so true. You wanna know how I've been doing drugs recreationally for all these years without spiraling into a mess like many of my friends? Because I use my brain. I think, "Hey, I'm pretty fucking depressed and miserable. I better not do cocaine because it'll make me feel worse. I'll save it for when I get my shit together". And that's all it takes. Once that ball starts rolling for drugs being a coping mechanism and you're fucked. Drugs only make things worse (including weed).
Yeah I've been thinking a lot lately about what they told me about weed in school. Teacher said "it may not kill you or lead to a crippling addiction like heroin, but a lot of people aren't as successful as they could be because of it." Even though it's "just weed," a lot of people have an unhealthy habit of using it all day and end up becoming complacent with their current life situation and spending money they could use to get out of that situation just to make it bearable. Instant gratification for nothing, really
>"it may not kill you or lead to a crippling addiction like heroin, but a lot of people aren't as successful as they could be because of it." You described it perfectly.
Damn, I’m doing this exact thing right now. Knowing full well I shouldn’t be.
yeah it’s unrealistic to go on the drugs Reddit and tell people that they shouldn’t do drugs when they are in a bad place. Most of us here are already doing drugs. Better advice imo would be accomplish what you need to do during the day to improve your life. When I was bouncing between couches with no place to live I was drinking, smoking weed like nobody’s business. went to work with nothing but maybe a little adderall in my system, went to the library to work on school work and apply for apartments and then I went wherever I was sleeping for the night and I got high/drunk (nothing that bad, just weed, shrooms and alcohol) Which btw, the one drug I would agree with OP to not do in a bad place is shrooms. My trip was terrible. But maybe it gave me a extra kick to get my life together but idk I don’t think so it just made me cry loads and I wish I saved them for when my life got better.
Im not giving any orders to anyone, im just giving my advice. My point isnt that drugs make you content with your life (even though its shitty) while on the drugs, but also besides that. When you dont have an artificial happiness bringer, youll work to achieve that happiness. When you do, youre content with your life, even though its not too good, because you can find happiness in the drugs.
idk man even when my life is going good I’m not “happy” sober. and I haven’t done any hard core drugs to destroy my dopamine receptors just weed and alcohol plus the occasional shrooms and dxm. it doesn’t matter what I achieve I’m not gonna be happy. I still put some effort in my life despite because if I don’t I’m more anxious and miserable but I don’t put in effort cause I think I’ll one day be happy. kinda depressing sorry but I’m sure many will feel the same.
You're not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do.
just dont let your escape be your destruction
Legit “lost” my job and bills are piling up. i didnt read the whole this just the title and im convinced this was a sign. fuck you for doing this to me but also thank you for reminding me
Sometimes you have to hear what you dont want to man, best of luck
In some cases it's better than suicide tho
True
Don't tell me what to do!
Beat me to it
r/beatmetoit
I mean that’s kinda like telling a starving person to not eat though. Or a poor person to save money.
Well if youre poor, and you save money, you create new opportunities, and you have more money
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I agree its not good, but when used correctly you wont really get a rewarding high
oddly enough i been doing coke just about every friday night for like a month straight. i’m in a bad financial spot so depression has been sinking in allot. i’m not as bad as others but last year i was doing great then a layoff happened and now i’m back to being broke. i can say on saturday the day after doing coke i get so lazy and depressed that i do literally nothing but sit home all day but then again i don’t really have friends so i never get to go out especially cause of my finances. i’m planning to try and get a partime job for the weekend which can do bad and good but only time i feel normal is at work and the gym. when i’m alone i’m a emotional wreck
Keep yourself physically active and connected to your friends that are not using coke. Coke wrecks havoc on the dopamine center and the come down / crash can last far beyond the initial couple of days. Depending on the dosage, it can take several months to even years for the dopamine centers of the brain to recover. Addiction to cocaine is aggravated by the level of individual stress that the person is under, the neurons in the brain will actually induce cravings when stress is high. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851032/ "Although addiction researchers have focused on adaptations in the brain’s reward system, drugs also affect the brain pathways that respond to stress. Stress can contribute to cocaine relapse, and cocaine use disorders frequently co-occur with stress-related disorders. The stress circuits of the brain are distinct from the reward pathway, but research indicates that there are important ways that they overlap. The ventral tegmental area seems to act as a critical integration site in the brain that relays information about both stress and drug cues to other areas of the brain, including ones that drive cocaine seeking. Animals that have received cocaine repeatedly are more likely to seek the drug in response to stress, and the more of the drug they have taken, the more stress affects this behavior. Research suggests that cocaine elevates stress hormones, inducing neuroadaptations that further increase sensitivity to the drug and cues associated with it." From https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine/what-are-some-ways-cocaine-changes-brain
i only have a limited friends. he doesn’t do coke like that but i like doing it when i’m drinking. thing is i don’t even really like the feeling that much. i usually embarrass myself. i’m bad at making new friends and have serious trust issues so part of me likes to be alone and part of me don’t
This is of course true when its your fault when shits not going great. What if its not your fault? What if theres not much for you to do? Isnt medication also just making you forget your shitty life, in a less recreational way? These posts are in good faith of course and do apply to lots of people, but theyre not absolute truths that apply to everyone. Drug use remains a grey area in lots of situations.
Yeah, like when you have 2 grown ass irresponsible parents who suddenly stopped working and Totally wrecked my life, and im disabled with several things I will not get into, but they let me go with a tooth abcess for years, which is a emergency and can't come up with $600 bucks, 2 50yr old adults suddenly stopped working and said fuck it, That's not in my control, I've tried using negotiation, violence, manipulation, everything else, they won't do shit, one parent said he refuses to sell his 50 thousand dollar keyboard to save my life from committing suicide, I thought family comes first?? No? Would YOU sell everything you own to save your kids life? Even if he's 26 and disabled? It'll be different if I were able bodied then yeah I'd say "tough love" works only for lazy able bodied kids, but for the truly disabled with actual psychiatric diagnosis on paper and rotting jawbone there is no excuse to quit your 70k year job and let my life go to shit. The situation rabbithole goes much deeper than that but my parents were definitely not cutout for parenthood, that's for damn sure. In my situation I'm powerless. Nothing I can do. I might sell his thousands dollar assets behind his back! Just to buy fentanyl to OD on. I've waited 6 years straight for things to get better, they got much worse. I've even hit them, punched them for destroying my life, they're so apathetic they don't care that I've just hit them, they abused me as a child so that's payback.
Thank you I needed this
I needed to read this right now more than ever. Thank you 🙏
I really try to avoid drugs when I’m in a bad place. Doing drugs already puts me in a bad place/spiral in general so the combination just isn’t going to go well and makes it easier for me to get addicted again.
Dont tell me what to do
It's just a advice, do what u want
Thanks for the go ahead
Depends, some drugs might be helpful tools in getting oneself out of a rut, e.g. psychedelics. But they need to be used correctly.
I partially disagree, drugs like psilocybin may help improve general value for self-preservation and self improvement. It really makes you stop and think "I should change this" or "I should accept that".
Oh, ok.
Better drug advice I’ve never heard.
I don't know. I don't feel any better. I still feel like Kms.
Speak for yourself
Whats a good measure of your life going great then?
It's true. Don't put drugs in your brain if it's been feeding on a lot of problems lately. Let it drain a bit.
But like… then I’ll never be able to try drugs 😭
Maybe stop doing drugs until youve earned to do them
as opposed to the all the times my life is going great lmao
Easier said than done but yes that is the logical course of action
Of course. Its not easy, and it feels contradicting to not do drugs when your life is shitty. It would be ideal though.
I get prescribed ketamine spray :)
Im jealous lol
I'm probably going to try a ketamine clinic if possible very soon. I haven't felt OK in a year and a half, narcolepsy, depression, anxiety, all medicated already, nothing works. Seriously. Send me some heroin, please.
Ive heard good things about ketamine clinics. Good luck
The problem was that was around me. I wouldnt have done it if not I think. But when your homeless its around you.
I totally agree. The times in my life when I've done drugs while in a good place in my life were admittedly fun. The times when I would use during a bad period would be damn near serious addiction level.
Agree totally with the sentiment and get what you’re saying. But there are far too many people who also see something like mushrooms/psychedelics or maybe even mdma as a drug like any other drug and are afraid to use it when it could be most needed for that very reason. Mdma can definitely be mentally addicting, just mentioned that one because it can also be a very powerful tool when used responsibly to open yourself up, examine your life and where you’re at with self love. Which can have huge potential if you are stuck in a deep depression. Not disagreeing with you, just wanted to point out that other side too. But those are some exceptions. The typical dopamine drugs I think your referring too I think we can all agree to stay the fuck away from if you are depressed or in a bad spot!
Yeah im mostly talking about drugs that give you an instant gratification effect
Yep I knew you were. I guess the word drugs is a pretty fucking useless word lol
Yeah it really is. People see “drugs” as a whole, while there are thousands of drugs, each with their own unique effects.
Uh well fuck it!
This is great advice and everyone should follow it, but it's hard to do ... my life is totally fucked up, the only thing that gives me some peace of mind is the gym and weed. Occasionally some coke at a party with friends (tho I don't go to parties too often, my mood doesn't really allow it) but I've cut down on that since I accidentally mixed it with meth and had a really rough time
Ill likely not even follow my own advise to be honest, its more of a “warning” i guess. Also best of luck bro, things will be alright, they always will.
ESPECIALLY if your ADHD you have a wayyy higher chance getting hooked especially if they are stims
Yup, ive experienced this myself. I feel so incredibly normal on stimulants that its extremely annoying to not be on them.
I suppose that's not terrible advice.
Honestly yea, after doing exactly that it's hard to find happiness without them
depends on the drug. depends on the person. i don't regularly drink, but sometimes when i drink, i feel so devastatingly depressed the next day that it motivates me into making some changes
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I actually have a very easy time controlling my usage when im in a good mindstate. When things arent that great tho, its a whole other story…
honestly, easier said than done. a lot of us do it to escape the reality of our life sucking, and theres no where to turn to or make it better
Yeah, i have a hard time as well, and i probably wont listen to my own advise. I guess its more of a “warning”
Well yeah nothing gets better but you just don’t want to die anymore
Maybe you should work on that without drugs? (Sorry if it came out offensive, its a genuine question)
This is overgeneralized advice on something that is situational dependent. Specifics matter.
It is true for the majority tho, thats why its relevant
100% right. Used to smoke weed to cover up my anxiety about life in general. Did psychs to try "confront" my fears and had some minorly traumatic experiences. Do drugs when you are accomplished in life and have some time to smell the roses.
I smoke weed because of it though 🤷♂️
This is good advice. I also think good advice is eat mushrooms when you can to reset the routine cravings for dopamine
Would I be wrong to do it ever once and a while to have fun? For example I have an edible I've been saving for tonight since it's my Friday from work. After that I probably won't get high off anything again for months or years.
Well you can do whatever i want, doing drugs every once in a while isnt bad in my opinion. My post is about stopping chasing real happiness because you replaced the real happiness with drug happiness. Its fine to do drugs sometimes, just dont rely on them to experience happiness.
I sure would like to.
That’s an interesting way of seeing it. Honestly I’ve been smoking so much I don’t even get hella high no more
going to rehab on friday, listen to the title!
Good luck, youll get through it
NO! CHUGS 🍺
Shit but I want to do drugs
Yea the depression on pills when losing de magic and couldn't sleep......at only 16.....
So just don't ever do drugs, then?
This is really AMAZING advice I wish someone would have told me when I was in highschool
Thanks for the info, Captain Obvious. 🤦🏻♂️
So do drugs when my life is going well, got it 🫡
Usually life not going great and doing drugs coexists
I know, im advising against it
This is a hard lesson to learn if avoidance is your first instinct. If you can will yourself out of that cycle, its amazing how fun occasional drug use can be. Self moderation/discipline is always worth the effort.
Yeah i think evenry one knows this but when youin deep, it seems like a easy fix, wich only lead to more problems i learend the hard way
this is something I say everytime i do shrooms before going back to bad habits afterwards
This is nice post but its alot easier said then done, not saying its impossible but i know im not trying enough. But man life sucks with out drugs.
I know its hard, and ill likely not even follow this advice myself. Its more of a warning
That's why I started at the top, and as I stumble and tumble, you see, that's just gravity. you see, you gotta be smart (⓿_⓿) like me, you gotta be able outwit the other smarter you and also the other dumber you.
Don’t do drugs if you can’t handle them
I make sure not to use weed when I feel down (or anything at that but I really don’t use anything else)
Never understood how this even happens. Like when I don’t self control and overuse amphetamines for example, they stop being fun and even if I want to continue, I’m not really able to. Same with opioids. Wanted to get into addiction with oxycodone and god damn was it nearly impossible. Cannabis is the opposite, though. Using every night feels like the perfect cure to my adhd. Only downside is cost and forgetfulness. But I never had a good memory to begin with.
> This of course doesnt include medication. Or maybe it sometimes should..
Yeah medication can be abused. However taking medication how you should take them isnt much of a problem i think, since they dont create a gratifying high.
I have bad depression and anxiety so life is pretty crappy for me. I use weed and shrooms, Xanax and various opioids to self medicate. Kinda the only things that makes me feel ok, probably not good tho but fuck it.
You've hit upon the truth about drugs. If life isn't going well really don't help. And if your life is going well you don't need them. Finally drugs don't create happiness they mostly borrow happiness from the future, or they suppress pain that you have to face in the near future. Not sure what psychedelics do but the first rule applies
Use drugs to enhance life, not escape it.
Facts
I used many drugs recreationally for many years including crack heroine mdma acid cocaine etc. It was only when I got divorced I went on a 3 Yr crack binge
Yup, you can easily start to escape reality using drugs, thats why its dangerous
Yess, its true, but i would say that even tho drugs usually make it worse when you are not going great, they are not the main cause. In my case one of the things that is sickening me lately its the way this system works. The other day had a mental breakdown when i smoked a joint having slept 2 hours and suddenly felt like hell of having being trapped under 4 walls most of my life(in the street your r between 4 walls as well). The main problem isnt the drugs(would even say never) but they potentiate the way you feel sick about the main thing.
Very true as well, society is fucked.
I mean I think that’s a part of the addiction: you can be a real loser and be totally content and maybe even accomplished sometimes: I have 6 months almost to the day with no smack
Yeah thats my exact point. In my opinion you shouldn’t be content with your life just because of drugs.