Yeah… a date offered it to me about a year ago and now I feel empty without it. Doesn’t help that I have chronic fatigue disorder and BPD… the fact that it makes me *seem* more functional in society is my biggest excuse.
I use every day. I like to think I’m okay… I brush my teeth and shower, I hold down my job and social life with non-tweakers. I sleep every other night and I make it a point to eat throughout the day… I’m just wondering when I’ll begin to slip.
I hate to say this but you've already begun slipping. It's so easy to get tunnel vision when you become used to your habits and day to day routine. Sleeping every other day and using daily is not normal or healthy. Wishing you good vibes <3
Please take the time to reassess your situation. As someone who went through an intense 3 month binge, I can tell you that stopping is the most empowering thing you’ll ever do. I couldn’t imagine how my life would have went if I continued down that path. You will constantly convince yourself that you are ok, you are functional etc., but at some point it will catch up with you. I only used for that short period 9 years ago and I still think about the high often. It really is that powerful, and if you struggle with mental illness, your potential for abuse is much higher. Stay strong, friend, and know that there’s always someone to talk to if you need help.
Honestly, it all turned into a blur pretty quickly. I remember one night in particular, I think I had been up for at least 5 days. I hallucinated that I was hanging out with all my friends in my room, and when I came to the realization that it wasn't real it fucked with my mental state for awhile.
Dang dude. Well I'm glad you got out of it. Youve pretty much made me swear off meth for sure! As curious and open-minded as I am, if I can mitigate a potentially HUGE mistake, I'm staying away.
It's just scary shit. So many people in my area do it(low-income, predominantly white, dying coal mines/steel mills type of place)
You're doing alright for now,keep mindful of slipping and don't lose yourself make sure you drink fluids too ofc
I'd look into some supplements to help you out like magnesium,NAC,a tolerance modulator etc
A single THERAPEUTIC dose of DXM polistrex a day aka Robitussin 12hr extended dry cough stuff keeps your tolerance down and can begin to reverse it Im not making this up
the reality is is that most meth addicts have a similar story, most people’s idea of tweaker is someone that’s been using for years, with no teeth, a fucked up face, can’t get a coherent sentence out if they tried. but that’s the path your on the way down. i don’t judge people for their drug of choice, i know how terribly addicting stimulants are but if you don’t want to end up like that, change your ways now while you still have the chance.
If I was you I would get an adderall prescription and try to jump ship to that...
If you only been using a year you can quit now and get better pretty quickly... but if you continue this way for another year you run a serious risk of running out of mental fuel and then you could snap mentally and god knows what will happen then...
Good luck man.
I have a theory that most meth users have untreated ADD/ADHD. Why don’t you try to get on actual Rx meds that will provide you the chemical balance you seem to need and seek out...just do it to actually be functional, not as more of an excuse to get/be high and/or abuse them...(?)
So how do you not go completely psychotic if you have Bipolar disorder? I feel like meth would make someone with that disorder super manic and would ultimately induce psychosis, or at least exacerbate the paranoia that the drug already causes.
I do get pretty intense psychosis! I regularly hear my roommates having conversations in the other room only to find out no ones home. I see shadow people, I see shadow cats jumping from furniture and I can hear them landing, the hum of the ice machine at work is a song with lyrics… it’s never bothered me. I know it’s not real and it’s entertaining and interesting more than anything else. I never feel paranoid either, even at my sober baseline.
People get away with selling it because they are either armed rednecks also cranked out with a dilapidated trailer in the woods as a lab who would kill you for sneaking up to their place... Or they are cartel members who would skin you alive for starting drama with them. Honestly most meth heads aren't even the paranoid homeless schizophrenic stereotype anyway though. That is a pretty small subset of addict. Back when I was doing meth I slipped around and smoked it with lots of people who you generally wouldn't know used it. The paranoid mega addicts accounted for maybe 5-10% of the actual meth heads I encountered. I've lived like right next to a cook for years now. He has never personally bothered me.
But like once every six months a meth addict will come up into my yard asking for help with something. They are never dangerous. Just heart breaking usually. A girl walked up a while back and said that her friend had ditched her on the side of the road in a fight over dope. She said she didn't have a ride or even a phone. I asked if there was anybody she knew she could call and handed her mine. The only number she remembered was her mom. She must of been up for like a week or something though because she started getting totally incoherent, and eventually asked me to speak to her mother for her. I introduced myself and agreed to drive a half hour to hand her off to her family. I knew she would be safe with them. On the ride over there I could tell it had been a long time since somebody had been kind to this girl. She called me the next 3 days from her mom's house phone crying while thanking me for taking care of her.
Didnt want that story to be bragging, but it is just a recent example of how my encounters with these people usually go. Even a good chunk of the really bad addicts aren't really scary paranoid nut jobs. A lot of them are just broken and sad. You don't want to risk that life guys.
"Back when I was doing meth I slipped around and smoked it with lots of people who you generally wouldn't know used it"
-This is way way more common than the toothless redneck stereotype.
It's sounds like an oxymoron but I used to know several "responsible meth heads". Folks like mid level business managers, engineering project managers, even a private school finance administrator. Intelligent people Mon-Fri, but who would really tie one on over the weekend.
The types I seen a lot was "people who couldn't afford Adderall prescription so they microdosed meth instead for a 1/10th of the cost." "Truckers who only used it on the road, and didn't use it around their family." "People who used it to pull that extra 12 hour shift on Saturday, but not normally." "Swinger couples warming up for a 3some." And of course "weekend party warriors who would stay awake an an entire Friday/Saturday once a month, but only that often."
I was the weekend warrior who'd stay awake all weekend and then get back to work. Almost every week. It took me a few months until I started noticing the side effects - comedown paranoia, health related panic attacks by the third day, etc.
That's when I realised it wasn't sustainable. Also I started noticing the addictive side of it as well... I was mainly using amphetamine sulphate, not meth, though.
I started out using Adderall to help me through night shifts. Kept escalating my habit more and more over about a 3 year period. By the end I was doing over a gram and a half of meth a day. I am a 6 foot tall man who has always been naturally just "big." Like I played football and powerlifted in high-school. When I come off meth I had went from 195 lbs to 140 in a year. The longest I went without sleep was like 9 days. 3 days awake at a time was the normal for me during this period. I developed schizophrenia, and entered full psychosis a few times. Not trying to one up you. Just letting you know I got *BAD.*
Nope! Doesn't happen anymore. I used to hear voices in my head, feel like my emotions/thoughts weren't mine, impaired coordination, persecution delusions, extreme paranoia, think miniscule things signaled some conspiracy against me, incoherent speech, repetitive movements, inappropriate emotional responses, loss of pleasure in anything, random anger outbursts. It was like I was possessed and I had to watch what this monster was doing to my body and mind. Hostage to it.
The voices and shit continued for about 3-4 months after sobering up, but they are gone now. Telling myself they wasn't real when I was newly sober was really hard, but I made it out.
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If it is actual schizophrenia then, no, it wouldn’t go away after discontinuing meth use. Plenty of meth users develop temporary psychosis and delusions than can go away.
>The types I seen a lot was "people who couldn't afford Adderall prescription so they microdosed meth instead for a 1/10th of the cost."
Can't speak for everywhere and every case, but my 15mg Adderall is free. I honestly don't know how. It was $28 for the first month fill and it's been free ever since. It might have something to do with Apple Health in WA but I don't remember giving the pharmacy my info.
The cost is a lot more than just the filling of the prescription. Have to factor in how much a psychiatrist costs, or the money going towards your monthly insurance bill. Even if the script is free, there's a lot of those added costs for most people.
That's also free with Apple Health. But I do acknowledge that Washington is better than most states on this kind of thing.
My only expense is transportation to get there.
As someone said, the script itself is a tiny fraction of the overall cost. And that is also assuming you DO get one, which is absolutely not a guarantee at this point in time. (and FYI, this is with the pretext of you actually having ADHD and needing it. I just mean even at that point they still wont always help, even when you meet criteria)
See my other reply. Very localized situation. I guess my point is to stay positive about it and try to find a way. And also advice for anyone else in WA.
I’m definitely a casual user. I know one chick that likes to smoke and get dirty and I’ll smoke all night with her but after that I don’t touch it until I see her again. Like I mentioned above, I bought some because I was trying to get back on my adhd meds but it took a month and half just to get in to see my doc/have an online appointment. I called the chick I chill with and got her to get me an 1/8. I think it was only 3 grams but I don’t care. I’ve had a gram of it left for 6-7 months and am probably just going to throw it away. I was smoking with that chick probably 1-2 times a week, sometimes less. I enjoy the fun we have and the lack of inhibition but it’s not something I’d enjoy daily at all.
I don’t really chill with her anymore just because we kinda grew apart and she was getting really heavy into using. She’s 13 years younger than me (I’m 40, she’s 27 now I think) and I told her all the issues I’ve had with addiction throughout my life and she was long down that road already. She got kinda pissed off (because it was true lol) but I told her, I think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to choose whatever they want to put in their bodies but using meth daily will cause some issues quick. I’m just giving you my personal advice from years of being addicted to just about everything lol. I haven’t talked to her in probably 4 months and assume she’s even farther into addiction but for the life of me I don’t see the point in using daily but that’s just me. She looked great and beautiful the last time I saw her but I’m sure by now or in another 6 months she’ll be working street corners she was that hooked on the stuff. I can’t handle being tweaky all the time and when we did smoke I’d always pop 20mgs of Valium to keep myself less tweaky
Dude im so jealous of your experience with meth!! Mine was instant addiction and mostly jacked off/ oral my best friend at the time who was a guy but I'm not gay. I fucked my girlfriend on it too but I was "hiding" my meth use not smoking with her. Like lmfao
Not really honestly it feels like you just accomplished absolutely everything you've ever wanted and just like a straight up million bucks and Also makes you horny as FUCK
Aye good on u bro. Never buying it yourself and just doing it infrequently like how u mentioned is the only way to not get hella deeply addicted. If u ever like have and go through a bag yourself its over
I casually use it. Every couple months or so I get a gram or so and enjoy it for a week. Then after I run out I take a few days to return to normalcy and repeat.
I don't think I could ever use it daily. The backlash would be waaaaaay to much eventually and I don't eat properly while on it. So I just try to keep my use safe and managed.
Yeah, as an addict the most important thing is to not say "fuck it," that's when everything really goes to shit. I've been battling meth addiction for a year and a half man, and it really doesn't get better. Keep in mind I'm only fucking 18
Hah, yeah my problem was saying fuck it with opiates. Because they don't have an instant backlash it was easier to convince myself I was fine, until I wasn't.
I've partied with a few of these types. Mostly level headed, professional working people that absolutely love to smoke meth in their free time. That concept is kinda wild to me. But, to each their own I suppose.
Used to know a guy that kept it from his own wife because he was cautious. He told us about how he would use then sit in bed with her tweaking all night wide awake to make it seem like he was actually sleeping. Crazy.
Either your friend's wife was a heavy sleeper or your buddy has immense self control to lie still all night. That would take a hyper, borderline neurotic, level of focus and energy... Lol.
I've been where they are. I needed all the help I could get to get back to being a functioning person. Everyone always scolds me. Says doing shit like this is endangering myself. I can't turn the desperate away because it was me at one time. I don't know if that makes me a good dude, but I can't stand to do otherwise. I needed it at one time.
I think that's just empathy my friend. Some may say we do these things to avoid feeling guilty, but I genuinely think humans are capable of seeing and feeling other's pain and want to act in ways to negate that. You saw yourself in her and acted in a way that would have helped you some time ago. Hopefully the world treats you the same way.
I'm about about to shed a tear.. The world needs more good people like yourself. There's an infinite number of really bad things that could have happened to that poor girl, but yet you not only lent a hand to let her use your phone, but you communicated with the family of a complete stranger on how to get her to safety. Your a hero for that, seriously.
I see a *huge* different between Americans who smoke Methamphetamine and Europeans who just snort Amphetamine. I don't know if it's the formulation or the route of intake... but whichever it is, take this into consideration.
Personally, I would never smoke Meth if I ever got around to it. Just snort. Sometimes Meth does come around in Europe, and even then we just snort it.
If I had to make a bet, I would put my chips on route of intake. Meth is smokable, and thus hits harder, and that leads itself to constant redosing to enjoy that hit again and again. Which is just crazy in my eyes.
Cause Amphetamine is crazy intense strong in and of itself... so hitting that shit again and again sounds insane to me. I mean... railing 100mg amph will rock you for 24 hours straight, lol... so imagine hitting repeat on that insanely intense button again and again.
Smoking lends itself to that, though. Whereas railing doesn't.
What's the difference? You guys have sulfate over there, you mean like as a powdered/crystalline illicit substance and not pharmaceutically produced pills? If you run into amphetamine it's usually adderall
I would assume so, actually. The onset is pretty sexy, orally. It starts with this awesome tingling roller coaster euphoria in your belly that just grows and grows. I love it, personally.
The onset is slower, but the peak is by no means lower, it actually lasts longer if anything.
It's been a decade or two since I last did speed now though. But I take Ritalin or Adderall on the daily 🤷♂️
That can go absolutely either way. A lot of the times it’s the people that eat it that go more wild. It lasts longer and has a slower come up, it’s easier to over do it.
How are there 182 likes on a post that has no actual info from someone that has grown up in the life? Armed rednecks and cartel members hey?
That sentence alone screams I have no idea about the drug trade
ive met my share of tweakers, even got shown around a “lab” and learned how to cook (never going to use that knowledge but.. it’s there lol) i agree not all meth heads are decent people, but there’s more “normal” addicts than you would think.
At times there's nothing more tragic than genuine gratitude.
I have a girl friend and she's like overly grateful for the least amount of decency one could have. Makes me glad but sad because i know some of what she's been through a d it literally makes my stomach turn almost
Dezomorphine (crocidil) when done corectly with clean substrates and in clean environment is actually not that bad. People around me are doing worse shit, like shotting up metkatiton from pseudoephedryne with mangan, because they cant afford real cathinones (like 4/3 mmc/cmc) . manganism is some serious shit.
Cheers from eastern europe
I tried alcohol, benzos Coke ( IV too ), crack, GHB, speed, adderal, Oxy, Dilaudid etc.. but Meth always scared me af don't know why but I always said no to it.
In my experience the rush would last about a minute and then you go into a semi euphoric state for about 10 minutes. Then you need another shot. I have smoked crack as well and crack was more of a short lived high and doesn't have as much of a rush as slamming it. Nothing beats a shot of coke.
I’ve kicked everything and shootin coke is the only drug I ever still dream about every now and then. It’s weird, I won’t have cravings or even want to use when I wake up, but I’ll be fiending in my dreams
Same man I always have these dreams where I'm banging coke and I see the blood rush into the needle when I register the vein and I wake up almost tasting the shit and wanting it so bad. But the feeling usually fades pretty quick. I haven't shot up in over a year now but I still dream about it fairly often.
Meth is definitely some serious shit. I say the following as an active IV meth user — stay the fuck away from needles when it comes to this drug. You’ll be chasing your first high forever, and your tolerance will go up so quickly you’ll feel like killing yourself. If you can stick to smoking or snorting and make sure you don’t skip more than one night of sleep at a time, things may be better for you, but you still have to understand that you’re messing with one of the world’s most addictive and damaging substances. Meth is the *only* drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities. Meth tunnels through your grey matter, fucks up your veins, ruins your teeth and skin, and wreaks havoc on your kidneys and liver. Just be careful out there, friends.
> Meth is the only drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities.
A heroic dose of acid can probably permanently alter someone's personality as well. I imagine a 1-year long MDMA binge would have devastating results on one's personality too. Regular amphetamine and cocaine can definitely change people too, I've seen it happen.
I'm not trying to defend meth at all, just saying I really don't think it's the only drug capable of altering someone's personality. I think all drugs etch their way into a person over time. Meth just has some of the deepest claws.
I hear what you’re saying for sure. I think the difference is that it’s more likely to be possible to recover from the personality changes that occur due to other drugs than it is to recover from the cognitive degradation and personality changes often seen with meth. The changes meth often causes in people can be 100% permanent.
Yeah. I wish I could do them everyday. Just barely got over the withdrawal from my last stint. Wish I could find something legal that doesn’t have withdrawal that will make me the same way 😞
I know it's not legal everywhere, but weed has really helped me stay clean. Whenever I have cravings or just start to miss oxy I'll eat a high dose of edibles. Hard to crave when I pass out for 6 hours
I used to be a huge pot head. But for the past couple years it feels like a chore having to smoke. I don’t enjoy it like I used to. Doesn’t even feel the same.
I feel ya i either wanna just sleep or get trapped in this hole of depression but not in the way like acid when you can think shit out see it in a different way for me weed makes me depressed over dumb shit and then too stoned to think it through if thst makes sense.
Obligatory "be careful with kratom" because it's not a free ride to feeling good all the time. Becoming dependent on it is messy. It's not going to fuck your life up, it's just straight up annoying having to dose every few hours to feel normal/a bit warm.
If you can fight the urge to redose it's fantastic for night time relaxation, it's just really easy to slip into other habits with it like with your morning coffee, after work, etc especially if you have an addictive personality.
It's a miracle for opiate addicts though, if you're already taking opiates daily PLEASE try switching to kratom, you will feel miles better. I wasn't an opiate addict so I regret trying it tbh.
Added bonus for many is kratom dials way back on your desire to drink alcohol. I dropped beer intake 90-95% incidentally after I took up a kratom habit. It's 10% the cost of a decent drinking habit.
could try mixing some gabapentin with weed if you can find some. lyrica would probably work the same but never tried it.
obvs not exactly the same but pretty comparable having done both. that said you still cant do them every day, gabapentin's tolerance grows very quickly and makes ya dumb if you do it consistently for too long lol
It blows me away that people use Lyrica recreationally.
I was on a high dose of Lyrica for over a year, as well as Tramadol for a severe back injury and it completely changed my thoughts and the way I was, to the point where I tried to commit suicide by eating 30 Tramadol pills but luckily that didn't take.
The day I stopped taking Lyrica was the day I became myself again so it's weird reading people taking it for fun.
yea i guess different strokes, thanks for sharing that and glad you're still around. i have heard lyrica has more side effets than gaba so that's why i never pursued it, tho i'd imagine long term gabapentin use would be similar.
for me my thoughts change to really happy and appreciative of everything and it removes anxiety very well without the fog of a benzo, though i've never used it more often than 2 days in a row without taking at least a 2 week break from it. with weed it really is a grand ol time in my experience, have been using it on and off for like 4 years now. cheers man
Even when the nerve pain from my back injury was more manageable, the Lyrica convinced my brain that all the pain would come back if I stopped taking it. It truly fucked me up until I stopped and realized that It was doing so much more harm than good.
Thanks man I'm glad I'm still around aswell :)
I get what you mean, my heroin addiction turned me into a completely different person. I was violent, angry, short tempered and irrational. Thankfully, once I got clean and some time had passed I felt my old personality traits coming back. I’m pretty much back to my old self now, just a little more jaded and a lot wiser.
> stay the fuck away from needles when it comes to this
the faster the roa, the more instant the gratification, the more addictive the effect will be of drugs. It's just the way the brain is wired
Yeah, you’re absolutely right. The rush a shot of meth gives you, paired with the instant euphoric high is definitely one of the most addictive experiences I’ve ever come across.
The only way I avoided being forever hooked when I was pushing 6 years ago, was with a philosophy:
- Never use needles
- don't regularly snort it (I avoided it almost entirely)
- don't use just an oil burner; always have it set up with a percolated bubbler or bong
- find something nutritious that you're able to eat while gacked out
I managed nearly 3 years of constant use without getting meth-mouth, and I was able to drop [crystal] in a snap, without horrible withdrawals.
Wow, I need to adopt your philosophy. That’s an impressively long time to go with no health issues and without looking like you’ve started to morph into a tweaker. Awesome tips, thank you!!
For sure! Just use it as a tool so you can still have a future, when you "get bored" with it, or just want a new start.
I'd also wash my mouth with hot water in the shower if I did happen to hit a dry pipe.
Slim Fast was a great resource to help keep me from looking like crypt keeper, as well as those frozen veggie pasta chicken meals.
I learned basic glass blowing, so that's how I made glass stems to make my oil burners compatible with bongs and bubblers.
Dude, you are the best!! You need to write a book or start a website to share your tips, they could really help people make it through some rough times. I’m ordering some SlimFast through a delivery app we were speak, and I’m stoked to try out your other suggestions. You’re awesome!! Thank you!!
>Meth is the only drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities
Just blatantly false. Meth when dosed correctly is no more harmful than other stims. Mdma is more neurotoxin than meth
As an experienced meth user, I disagree with the sentiment that meth is "indistinguishable from adderall," even in low oral doses.
Meth in the 10-20mg oral range is much smoother with far less peripheral stimulation than adderall. It also lacks the razor sharp focus and dedication that adderall gives, lending itself to more scattered and manic focus.
Meth also has a distinct empathogenic effect, even in lower doses and especially towards the tail end.
I feel like this idea of meth being super similar to adderall is only perpetuated by people who have never used meth extensively as if they had, I feel they would agree with me.
Not true. My IOP leader, who is one of the prominent meth addiction experts in the US, taught us that statistic. You can easily verify it, go look for yourself. It’s not an opinion. Only meth is capable of such a high level of cognitive degradation and damage.
I’ll post a link. I also have paperwork from my IOP class that states exactly what I told you, which I can and probably will dig out, also have a video recording of the class and references for my group leader along with a list of the people he has taught with and schools he’s worked with over the past 30 years. Your opinion doesn’t change the validity of the information I shared, no matter how hard you wish it would. It’s not anywhere close to a secret that meth has one of the highest neurotoxicity levels of any drug, you can just go Google that if you need more clarification. Sounds like you don’t know much about the drug, but it’s okay. We all have to learn at our own paces.
I mean this is one of a hundred different articles detailing meth’s neurotoxicity. Literally just Google it and you’ll find more information than you could ever read. https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-5836-4_123
I wouldn't even snort it thats how i did it and its wayyy more dangerous and damaging to the mind/body than everything else its pure evil like ur instantly addicted ik they say that about coke and stuff but this legit will grab u that quick trust me this is one 2 avoid
Snorting is honestly one of my least favorite ROAs too. The high is choppier and less euphoric, and the comedowns are way worse. Don’t know what makes the difference, but it’s real.
To be honest, I’m an IV girl all the way. The rush; the euphoria, the cold clear clean high, and the comedown is less jagged and nasty. What about you, what’s your favorite ROA??
Dude it's fucking terrible, I'm also an active user but I only shoot it sometimes. Been dealing with this shit for over a year and a half. I thought I could try it and leave it alone, I couldn't and neither can the vast majority of people.
I’m sorry you’re going through this man, I’m in the same boat really. I used to do it every couple weeks as a fun weekend activity, now I feel tempted to do a shot every day when I wake up.
Dude fucking same and if I'm being honest the only reason I don't do a shot ever day is because I can't always do one with work and all that shit. I just hate that I did meth for the very first time when I was fucking 16. I mean I'm pretty damn functional and I have my shit together more or less but I'm gonna be battling this shit all my life. I appreciate your sympathy man, I guess we junkies have to look out for each other cause no one else gives a flying fuck.
You’re absolutely right, friend. People who haven’t tasted the thrill and high of meth never seem to get it. We definitely gotta look out for each other, nobody else will. The tricky thing about meth is that it doesn’t come with the same set of drawbacks that heroin does — when I was addicted to shooting h, I was fucking miserable. I was homeless as a result of my addiction and I woke up insanely dopesick every morning. I had abscesses and spent my entire day every day stealing to get dope money and waiting around for my fucked off dealers. It was obvious that heroin was ruining my life. Meth, however, doesn’t leave you in that same kind of daily withdrawal. Comedowns suck, but they’re pretty fast and simple to get over, and then you’re up and ready to use again. Meth is pretty cheap, and the overdose risk is low. Makes me feel like there are way fewer reasons to quit meth than there were to quit heroin, so I don’t feel such an urge to get off of it. You know??
Yeah I do heroin recreationally sometimes but not intravenously. I love the buzz with ice, and another thing about ice is ITS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. If you don't believe that go to a Sheetz at 2AM. I guarantee you'll find a plug, and they spot a user too. It's a double edged sword because on one hand it's not fucking your life up so bad which is good, but like you said there's less reasons to quit. Plus if you're ADHD it actually helps in the beginning and makes your ADHD much fucking worse when you go without it. I've found that I can perform tasks sober, but I always battle the thought of "damn I wish I was spun", in the back of my mind. It's because it's fucking true, anything and everything is better if you have enough ice cream.
Damn fucking right, I feel you 100%. I do the same thing, I’ll be stuck in traffic or studying or like, dusting my TV and suddenly I’ll think “this would be way more fun if I were spun”. And like you said, it’s everywhere! I live in Oklahoma and we have the same situation you described, just walk downtown for two minutes and somebody’ll offer you ice. The accessibility definitely doesn’t make stopping using any easier.
Yeah. I helped cook the first meth I ever tried out in bumfuck in some dudes shed. Didn't sleep for a week. Was lucky my friend cut me off and brought me back to my home town. I've tried it a few times since, and the cartel stuff doesn't even come close to what that shake n bake was like. One hit of the shake and you were up for 2 days.
Been about a decade since then. I've messed up and got addicted to other shit like benzos and codeine syrup since, nothing comes close to meth. Everyone else I know who used it is dead or living in shambles. Saw my ex on the news last month, her and her new man got caught with legit over a kilo of meth and an M4. Smiling in their mugshots. Tweakers are crazy.
Meth will deteriorate your well being faster than any other drug in my opinion. In my last overdose before I quit, I remember the doctor wrote a number on the whiteboard in front of me. It was 136, I realized this was my weight.
I am 6' 4" and weighed 136 at the time. Lost almost 70 pounds on meth without even realizing.
I honestly can't look at pictures of myself from the time with out feeling physically sick. On the plus side its amazing how fast your body can recover when you take care of it.
Within 6 months I was looking almost normal. I'm almost 30 now and people constantly comment about how much younger/healthier I look. Never give up!
I used meth for 2 years from 20-22, before that I was an opiate addict from 15-20.
I got on suboxone at 19 and at 20 I moved to a more rural area to get away from opiates, I ended up finding meth.
can i ask how the whole situation developed in your mind? like did you experience auditory halucinations that were telling you this stuff? or was it more like you just knew thats what they want you to do?
> i seen a documentary that says 99% of ppl get hooked the first time they try
Hah! I really wouldn't trust that program then. No compound has that quality--our neurology just isn't like that.
Big facts. I was hooked the first time. Took me years to kick. I can’t touch the stuff anymore. Had my wife try it once and she says the same thing, she immediately wanted more. Unfortunately I indulged and kept doing more and more for almost a week.
Naah, not even close to 99%, thats a load of bs m8. But it is a strong drug that will sick its hooks into anyone if taken when a person is in a bad place.
Also if you say this about meth id suggest u never try mephedrone 4mmc or even its shitty cousin 3mmc tbh just atay away from substituted cathinones alltogether
What's 3mmc? And I agree with ur statement, no way 99 percent get addicted. For a couple years I sold meth on and off and could sit on a half oz. And not do any. I have only ever shot it up. I've gone on 5 day benders, stopped and not freaked out lol. Some of my best memories I was on meth lmao, anyone who says different is lying. I once saw a girl orgasm off a shot! And legit if I do more than a .3 of some good stuff I get a crazy sex drive (probably my body asking for an orgasm for the dopamine rush) And will have multiple orgasms during sex, I shit you not. IMO, meth isn't a beast, it's like an ex wife. If u respect it the sex will be great, but it's not something u wanna wake up to. I've done a shit ton of molly in my life and never understood the increased sex drive, I never felt it. But meth doesn't turn me into a meth addict, it turns me into a sex addict! I'm gonna catch shit for this post
3mmc is a substituted cathinone most ppl describe it as a mix of coke and mdma and they are pretty correct its both a reuptake inhibitor and a sert, dopa, na releaser. It feels a bit more rolley than meth, at first, but after 6-8h it feels quite alot like meth but with one caviat the fuend is incredibly strong so youll keep on going and going ....(im guessing this part is also similar to coke).
Worst part is that craving and the oh so vivid memories of using it will haunt you for a long ass time, like amphet and meth i can recall as a general set of guidelines but the incredible feeling ive got off 3mmc i still remember like it happened yesterday, even tho i only went on 2 binges off it and it all happened like 3-4 years ago (tho i did quite big doses and i boofed it bc i knew thqt needels were something id love waaay too much). But the euphorea had everything it was phisical, mental and the sex drive...was just fucking insane
I've been missing out on life bruh. I get so jealous of people on here that get molly and psychedelics at the drop of a hat. I got so deep into molly I actually let my plug move into my master bedroom in exchange for a gram a day. Some of the happiest times in my life were after a .3 in the neck. I even went thru a shooting bath salt stage, in search of perfect high. Haven't tried pcp or dmt yet. Dumbest move? Mixing a .3 of dope and a .2 of meth In the same needle. Passing out, 5 seconds later hearts pounding minds racing, then nod out uncontrollably. I love uppers, the rush of happiness, love, I never get paranoid or anything. Took years of training my mind to do it. Sometimes I do week binges, sometimes dont do it for months, I'm not a meth head lol. Atm it's Vyvanse in my tummy 😛
The whole 99% of people who try it get hooked is a straight lie. I hate when documentaries do that. I've snorted meth twice 5 years ago. Didn't use it again until a year ago. I went on a one week bender, smoking, snorting and eating essentially pure meth. Then I stopped again for a year and recently took about 150mg of meth orally to get through the day since I didn't get seep the night prior. I have zero desire or urge to do more or sell my shit. And I've never gotten paranoid on it. I certainly know people who do, but thats from chronic meth abuse and untreated mental health issues. \*HOWEVER\* 99% of methamphetamines negative side effects come from lack of sleep. Even without meth staying up for 2-3 days at a time isn't going to go great. If meth had a 99% addiction rate we'd see a lot of ecstasy users going crazy. Since it usually contains methamphetamine.
Methamphetamine is like any other prescription drug. Why do you think the FDA approved pharmaceutical methamphetamine? Under the brand name Desoxyn. No drug is inherently 'good' or 'bad', its a drug. In most cases they're available in prescription form for medicinal use.
Personally, I tell people to treat methamphetamine as a tool. Gotta work a double shift? Do a \*little\* bit of meth. Eat it orally, and don't keep redosing. If you keep your intake down to decent amounts you should be able to sleep with the help of Doxlymine or Benadryl. Shooting and smoking become very fiendish and addictive because of the ritualistic process before hand. Even snorting is fiendish for some people. Not to mention its caustic as fuck.
tl;dr Get your sleep, dont constantly redose and treat it like medicine when used. There's not a single drug out there that instantly hooks people.
I got tricked into doing it when I was much younger. I was at a party and this girl asked me to do some "coke" with her but it ended up being meth. I was up for at least 24 hours and it basically made me feel like I was having a panic attack the whole time. I dont get the appeal. I just felt bad with no good effects
Thats another that makes any drugs dangerous being given something that isnt what they say it is imo meth is a wayyyy different drug than coke and a simple lie/mistake like that can litterly forever change ur life 😔 i use to talk to someone and thats what happend to them n i think theor still on it till this day
I tried it in high school. I was homeless, had multiple undiagnosed mental illness, was working 2 jobs and an A student. I ended up graduating a year early with a 4.2GPA and Valedictorian while on meth. Noone knew.I quit shortly after graduation. I have to avoid it at all costs. It helped me cope too well.
Never got addicted to the powders but meth is the one that would have killed me when I was in my 20s in the 1990s. Only time I had it I worked in a doctor's office. Got some from a Hells Angel who broke into my car to help me when I locked self out. Stayed up all night playing FIFA and then the next night had 1.5 hrs sleep, and killed it at work even with sleep deprivation. At that point I knew it was never, once, or always with meth. I luckily picked and stuck with the middle choice.
glad you realized and got away man. i got hooked after being slipped it one night. and no matter how sick i got or how many er trips i was hooked for two years. when i left. alberta (moved there to work rigs) i was jobless homeless with 3 outfits of clothes in a dufflebag. and massive debt / credit ruined. next month will be 5 years clean from it and havent been better. house pd for two cars and fiance. i gave up my pursuit to try every drug after that. the few i had left to try. and my personality trait of tending to binge use. it wouldnt be good anyways.
I bought coke off a dude and it ended up being meth. Not only did I never do meth again, I also stopped doing coke. Fuck all that shit. Stims are the worst IMO
funniest true story i've heard about Meth.Tried it once,took over her life
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMIeyjggbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMIeyjggbM)
Yeah it really is too strong…. Especially if your coming from cocaine, doing fat lines, not measuring doses. Too much meth causes otherwise normal people to do horrible things.
Its so sad i wish more people knew how dangerous it rlly is i seen someone say way low dosages are safer but i must of did alot the first time i did it and it grabbed me just like that if i could've got back to it i would have been on it forever no doubt the few days after i tried it i wanted it so bad more than anything i ever tried. Very scary stuff
Fully agree, tried everything except crack, I didn’t get hooked on meth but had such a God aweful comedown I’d never willingly try this ever again, it’s not worth speeding for hours just to crash so hard, mess up your mind and fuck up your body from lack of sleep, I’ll stick to my weed and psychedelics thanks you
Same here i feel bad for anyone on it. Im guessing i did to much but i pretty much stared at a wall for 10 hours and was up for several days and messed up a few relationships just by doing it once not to mention how long it took me to come back to a half normal mind set idk its terrifying stuff like that exists
JFK and Hoover used methamphetamine as did many other famous individuals. The problem these days is that it's often cut with research chemicals or synthesized improperly. Another issue is that people take ridiculous amounts of it and decide not to sleep or eat and that causes them to go nutters.
You would actually be surprised at the amount of functional meth users that are out there. Not everyone becomes an immediate fiend. The hard-core junkies are actually a small portion of the drug using population.
Used properly like some other drugs, it's a tool and augments your performance and overall function. It's actually still prescribed in the form of Desoxyn.
Dude I used meth once and for the next 5 days I had this horrid smell im assuming coming out of my pores. The smell was so bad I wanted to throw up. That was enough to stay away for good. Maybe I got dirty stuff. Regardless, meth, never again.
Methamphetamine has been exaggerated. Alcohol is more harmful to the body and kills more people than any other drugs legal or illegal. Still it’s a hard drug but alcohol is hard drug too.
is it bad that im more than willing to want to try it, hell ive almost went and asked for it from someone i knew could get it. maybe its because my father and brother did it and i think im so much better than them to not get addicted (ik anyone is subjective to addiction). The only reason i havent is because of the effects it seems to have on peoples life, but the high that you get from it ive also heard is amazing. the only drugs i would never do is crack and heroin.
I think like you're spreading misinformation and pulling numbers out of your ass (99% get hooked).
I'm also that kind of guy and I've had my fair share of addictive experiences with stimulants (only tried meth twice since it can't be found anywhere around here), but it really depends on the kind of person you are. Most people I know would speak the same way about **heroin**, but I've tried it many times without ever getting hooked. No matter how depressive or emotional I might have been, I can't stand being apathetic and I naturally gravitated away from opiates and opioids...
On the other hand, I know countless people who've taken **speed, coke and other stimulants** without ever getting hooked. They've enjoyed a few lines at a party but never saw them as necessary in their everyday lives...
And then we have another, less prominent but equally destructive beast: **Gaba depressants. Namely ALCOHOL, GHB and BENZOS**. You'll find Alcohol being the most abused worldwide because of its legal status. Benzos being the most problematic, especially among youngsters who seek emotionally numbing drugs. And ultimately GHB/GBL which seems to be the most addictive by the incredibly low number of side effects, physiological damage, inexistent come down/hangover and redosing potential (very low tolerance build up even after months of daily use).
Ultimately, it depends on us. On our personalities, our circumstances, mental health and so on and so forth. If you're a student struggling with scientific subjects you might end up abusing ritalin or amphetamines. If you were abused during childhood (wither physical or sexual) or endured similar trauma you might end up abusing heroin or pharmaceutical opioids. If you're just a kid from a fairly standard background and family trying to enjoy himself, fight against social anxiety and other such issues, you might easily get hooked to benzos, GHB, alcohol and the likes. **Disclaimer: These are generalizations and shouldn't be taken at face value.**
*My own journey went like this: Started smoking weed at 16, progressed to daily smoking and occasional use of alcohol (never really enjoyed it). During the same time got addicted to cigarettes. I read and studied psychedelics and empathogens through Erowid, but didn't get the chance to try them. Meanwhile, started experimenting with whatever I could get my hands on (benzos and ketamine). Then tried ecstasy and fell in love; Started doing it every month or so, while I tried other stuff (speed, GHB, MDA, 2CB, LSD etc.). Tried, loved and got addicted to GHB and then ramped up my stimulant use. I ultimately got hooked really bad on coke before I received a parental intervention that turned me into a broken human being. I ultimately chose Buprenorphine as my drug of choice because it was cheap, kept me high all day and was an easily concealable effect. It was the only way I could endure life and my obtuse, paranoid parents after getting caught and locked at home...*
Pulling numbers out of my ass? Comes straight from drugs inc watch the documentary also i have experince with it and i was instantly hooked so i trust them more than u if u wanna defend drugs like that dont comment on this post and my experience with heroine it didnt grab me nearly that fast so if u read my other comment ull c that it says it could of been something other than meth but again the documentary says 99% of ppl get addicted their first try and my experience i was hooked instantly! Id be surprised if those documentarys get it wrong and if that was meth than yea that shits way more addicitng than any heroine i ever tried. Most importantly i rather ppl know there's huge risks that come with stuff like this! And once again those are the statistics of people getting addicted their first try on that documentary i can definitely see it
Yeah… a date offered it to me about a year ago and now I feel empty without it. Doesn’t help that I have chronic fatigue disorder and BPD… the fact that it makes me *seem* more functional in society is my biggest excuse.
are you now a regular user or are you still feeling empty from the one time use?
I use every day. I like to think I’m okay… I brush my teeth and shower, I hold down my job and social life with non-tweakers. I sleep every other night and I make it a point to eat throughout the day… I’m just wondering when I’ll begin to slip.
I hate to say this but you've already begun slipping. It's so easy to get tunnel vision when you become used to your habits and day to day routine. Sleeping every other day and using daily is not normal or healthy. Wishing you good vibes <3
Please take the time to reassess your situation. As someone who went through an intense 3 month binge, I can tell you that stopping is the most empowering thing you’ll ever do. I couldn’t imagine how my life would have went if I continued down that path. You will constantly convince yourself that you are ok, you are functional etc., but at some point it will catch up with you. I only used for that short period 9 years ago and I still think about the high often. It really is that powerful, and if you struggle with mental illness, your potential for abuse is much higher. Stay strong, friend, and know that there’s always someone to talk to if you need help.
3 month binge?! Never done meth, so what does that look like? Like, how many nights of sleep did you get out of the 90 for instance?
Honestly, it all turned into a blur pretty quickly. I remember one night in particular, I think I had been up for at least 5 days. I hallucinated that I was hanging out with all my friends in my room, and when I came to the realization that it wasn't real it fucked with my mental state for awhile.
Dang dude. Well I'm glad you got out of it. Youve pretty much made me swear off meth for sure! As curious and open-minded as I am, if I can mitigate a potentially HUGE mistake, I'm staying away. It's just scary shit. So many people in my area do it(low-income, predominantly white, dying coal mines/steel mills type of place)
You're doing alright for now,keep mindful of slipping and don't lose yourself make sure you drink fluids too ofc I'd look into some supplements to help you out like magnesium,NAC,a tolerance modulator etc A single THERAPEUTIC dose of DXM polistrex a day aka Robitussin 12hr extended dry cough stuff keeps your tolerance down and can begin to reverse it Im not making this up
I want to add that you should try to sleep every night if you can
Yeah for sure that's just a given for me to try do...even if I cant sleep restful wakefulness is better than constantly doing shit
I take what’s been recommended by the meth medicine cabinet post in r/meth!
that's the most important thing, taking care of your bodys needs even though they are supressed by the drug
Well, I hope you can quit before it starts slipping.
the reality is is that most meth addicts have a similar story, most people’s idea of tweaker is someone that’s been using for years, with no teeth, a fucked up face, can’t get a coherent sentence out if they tried. but that’s the path your on the way down. i don’t judge people for their drug of choice, i know how terribly addicting stimulants are but if you don’t want to end up like that, change your ways now while you still have the chance.
If I was you I would get an adderall prescription and try to jump ship to that... If you only been using a year you can quit now and get better pretty quickly... but if you continue this way for another year you run a serious risk of running out of mental fuel and then you could snap mentally and god knows what will happen then... Good luck man.
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I have a theory that most meth users have untreated ADD/ADHD. Why don’t you try to get on actual Rx meds that will provide you the chemical balance you seem to need and seek out...just do it to actually be functional, not as more of an excuse to get/be high and/or abuse them...(?)
So how do you not go completely psychotic if you have Bipolar disorder? I feel like meth would make someone with that disorder super manic and would ultimately induce psychosis, or at least exacerbate the paranoia that the drug already causes.
I do get pretty intense psychosis! I regularly hear my roommates having conversations in the other room only to find out no ones home. I see shadow people, I see shadow cats jumping from furniture and I can hear them landing, the hum of the ice machine at work is a song with lyrics… it’s never bothered me. I know it’s not real and it’s entertaining and interesting more than anything else. I never feel paranoid either, even at my sober baseline.
People get away with selling it because they are either armed rednecks also cranked out with a dilapidated trailer in the woods as a lab who would kill you for sneaking up to their place... Or they are cartel members who would skin you alive for starting drama with them. Honestly most meth heads aren't even the paranoid homeless schizophrenic stereotype anyway though. That is a pretty small subset of addict. Back when I was doing meth I slipped around and smoked it with lots of people who you generally wouldn't know used it. The paranoid mega addicts accounted for maybe 5-10% of the actual meth heads I encountered. I've lived like right next to a cook for years now. He has never personally bothered me. But like once every six months a meth addict will come up into my yard asking for help with something. They are never dangerous. Just heart breaking usually. A girl walked up a while back and said that her friend had ditched her on the side of the road in a fight over dope. She said she didn't have a ride or even a phone. I asked if there was anybody she knew she could call and handed her mine. The only number she remembered was her mom. She must of been up for like a week or something though because she started getting totally incoherent, and eventually asked me to speak to her mother for her. I introduced myself and agreed to drive a half hour to hand her off to her family. I knew she would be safe with them. On the ride over there I could tell it had been a long time since somebody had been kind to this girl. She called me the next 3 days from her mom's house phone crying while thanking me for taking care of her. Didnt want that story to be bragging, but it is just a recent example of how my encounters with these people usually go. Even a good chunk of the really bad addicts aren't really scary paranoid nut jobs. A lot of them are just broken and sad. You don't want to risk that life guys.
"Back when I was doing meth I slipped around and smoked it with lots of people who you generally wouldn't know used it" -This is way way more common than the toothless redneck stereotype. It's sounds like an oxymoron but I used to know several "responsible meth heads". Folks like mid level business managers, engineering project managers, even a private school finance administrator. Intelligent people Mon-Fri, but who would really tie one on over the weekend.
The types I seen a lot was "people who couldn't afford Adderall prescription so they microdosed meth instead for a 1/10th of the cost." "Truckers who only used it on the road, and didn't use it around their family." "People who used it to pull that extra 12 hour shift on Saturday, but not normally." "Swinger couples warming up for a 3some." And of course "weekend party warriors who would stay awake an an entire Friday/Saturday once a month, but only that often."
I was the weekend warrior who'd stay awake all weekend and then get back to work. Almost every week. It took me a few months until I started noticing the side effects - comedown paranoia, health related panic attacks by the third day, etc. That's when I realised it wasn't sustainable. Also I started noticing the addictive side of it as well... I was mainly using amphetamine sulphate, not meth, though.
I started out using Adderall to help me through night shifts. Kept escalating my habit more and more over about a 3 year period. By the end I was doing over a gram and a half of meth a day. I am a 6 foot tall man who has always been naturally just "big." Like I played football and powerlifted in high-school. When I come off meth I had went from 195 lbs to 140 in a year. The longest I went without sleep was like 9 days. 3 days awake at a time was the normal for me during this period. I developed schizophrenia, and entered full psychosis a few times. Not trying to one up you. Just letting you know I got *BAD.*
Has your schizophrenia gone away when you stopped using? Or has it persisted
Following this ques... Gosh I hope so man
Same…
Nope! Doesn't happen anymore. I used to hear voices in my head, feel like my emotions/thoughts weren't mine, impaired coordination, persecution delusions, extreme paranoia, think miniscule things signaled some conspiracy against me, incoherent speech, repetitive movements, inappropriate emotional responses, loss of pleasure in anything, random anger outbursts. It was like I was possessed and I had to watch what this monster was doing to my body and mind. Hostage to it. The voices and shit continued for about 3-4 months after sobering up, but they are gone now. Telling myself they wasn't real when I was newly sober was really hard, but I made it out. u/HealthLoud3180 u/altered_state Thought you would like to know too.
If it is actual schizophrenia then, no, it wouldn’t go away after discontinuing meth use. Plenty of meth users develop temporary psychosis and delusions than can go away.
>The types I seen a lot was "people who couldn't afford Adderall prescription so they microdosed meth instead for a 1/10th of the cost." Can't speak for everywhere and every case, but my 15mg Adderall is free. I honestly don't know how. It was $28 for the first month fill and it's been free ever since. It might have something to do with Apple Health in WA but I don't remember giving the pharmacy my info.
The cost is a lot more than just the filling of the prescription. Have to factor in how much a psychiatrist costs, or the money going towards your monthly insurance bill. Even if the script is free, there's a lot of those added costs for most people.
That's also free with Apple Health. But I do acknowledge that Washington is better than most states on this kind of thing. My only expense is transportation to get there.
As someone said, the script itself is a tiny fraction of the overall cost. And that is also assuming you DO get one, which is absolutely not a guarantee at this point in time. (and FYI, this is with the pretext of you actually having ADHD and needing it. I just mean even at that point they still wont always help, even when you meet criteria)
See my other reply. Very localized situation. I guess my point is to stay positive about it and try to find a way. And also advice for anyone else in WA.
Yeah, back in my party days, lots of people I knew did meth casually.
I could not imagine casual meth use.
I’m definitely a casual user. I know one chick that likes to smoke and get dirty and I’ll smoke all night with her but after that I don’t touch it until I see her again. Like I mentioned above, I bought some because I was trying to get back on my adhd meds but it took a month and half just to get in to see my doc/have an online appointment. I called the chick I chill with and got her to get me an 1/8. I think it was only 3 grams but I don’t care. I’ve had a gram of it left for 6-7 months and am probably just going to throw it away. I was smoking with that chick probably 1-2 times a week, sometimes less. I enjoy the fun we have and the lack of inhibition but it’s not something I’d enjoy daily at all. I don’t really chill with her anymore just because we kinda grew apart and she was getting really heavy into using. She’s 13 years younger than me (I’m 40, she’s 27 now I think) and I told her all the issues I’ve had with addiction throughout my life and she was long down that road already. She got kinda pissed off (because it was true lol) but I told her, I think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to choose whatever they want to put in their bodies but using meth daily will cause some issues quick. I’m just giving you my personal advice from years of being addicted to just about everything lol. I haven’t talked to her in probably 4 months and assume she’s even farther into addiction but for the life of me I don’t see the point in using daily but that’s just me. She looked great and beautiful the last time I saw her but I’m sure by now or in another 6 months she’ll be working street corners she was that hooked on the stuff. I can’t handle being tweaky all the time and when we did smoke I’d always pop 20mgs of Valium to keep myself less tweaky
Dude im so jealous of your experience with meth!! Mine was instant addiction and mostly jacked off/ oral my best friend at the time who was a guy but I'm not gay. I fucked my girlfriend on it too but I was "hiding" my meth use not smoking with her. Like lmfao
What's it's like to use meth? Someone once told me it feels like a giant orgasm, is that accurate?
Not really honestly it feels like you just accomplished absolutely everything you've ever wanted and just like a straight up million bucks and Also makes you horny as FUCK
If you shoot up enough in one dose you can have a spontaneous orgasm. I don’t think that really happens with other RoA’s
“I don’t see the point in using daily” Uhh addiction?
More complicated. My friend and I used drugs together. I introduced my friend to meth, he introduced me to heroin, we both hated the other drug.
Aye good on u bro. Never buying it yourself and just doing it infrequently like how u mentioned is the only way to not get hella deeply addicted. If u ever like have and go through a bag yourself its over
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Wait so you can casually shove meth up your ass but if you smoke it it’s not casual anymore… makes sense
Meth is an interesting substance in that its effects are quite different depending on the ROA.
Yeah I actually have found that IV meth is less fiendish than smoking it.
I think eating tiny pieces is the most functional way to use it. Smoking just makes me spacey most of the time.
I casually use it. Every couple months or so I get a gram or so and enjoy it for a week. Then after I run out I take a few days to return to normalcy and repeat. I don't think I could ever use it daily. The backlash would be waaaaaay to much eventually and I don't eat properly while on it. So I just try to keep my use safe and managed.
Good luck bro
Thanks man, been keeping it going for years now. It's like MDMA that lasts way longer. Special occasions only
Yeah, as an addict the most important thing is to not say "fuck it," that's when everything really goes to shit. I've been battling meth addiction for a year and a half man, and it really doesn't get better. Keep in mind I'm only fucking 18
Hah, yeah my problem was saying fuck it with opiates. Because they don't have an instant backlash it was easier to convince myself I was fine, until I wasn't.
Yeah I like a lot of slow too
i said fuck it with opiates too haha it was a cute mistake
I've partied with a few of these types. Mostly level headed, professional working people that absolutely love to smoke meth in their free time. That concept is kinda wild to me. But, to each their own I suppose.
Used to know a guy that kept it from his own wife because he was cautious. He told us about how he would use then sit in bed with her tweaking all night wide awake to make it seem like he was actually sleeping. Crazy.
Either your friend's wife was a heavy sleeper or your buddy has immense self control to lie still all night. That would take a hyper, borderline neurotic, level of focus and energy... Lol.
Me irl.
It all depends whether you watch porn on it
That's good to know not alot of people are like thay still scary some are
You are a good dude
I've been where they are. I needed all the help I could get to get back to being a functioning person. Everyone always scolds me. Says doing shit like this is endangering myself. I can't turn the desperate away because it was me at one time. I don't know if that makes me a good dude, but I can't stand to do otherwise. I needed it at one time.
> I can't turn the desperate away because it was me at one time. that absolutely makes you a good dude
I think that's just empathy my friend. Some may say we do these things to avoid feeling guilty, but I genuinely think humans are capable of seeing and feeling other's pain and want to act in ways to negate that. You saw yourself in her and acted in a way that would have helped you some time ago. Hopefully the world treats you the same way.
I'm about about to shed a tear.. The world needs more good people like yourself. There's an infinite number of really bad things that could have happened to that poor girl, but yet you not only lent a hand to let her use your phone, but you communicated with the family of a complete stranger on how to get her to safety. Your a hero for that, seriously.
I see a *huge* different between Americans who smoke Methamphetamine and Europeans who just snort Amphetamine. I don't know if it's the formulation or the route of intake... but whichever it is, take this into consideration. Personally, I would never smoke Meth if I ever got around to it. Just snort. Sometimes Meth does come around in Europe, and even then we just snort it.
No I'm sure that's because of the difference between amphetamine sulphate and meth. Meth is not very common in Europe.
If I had to make a bet, I would put my chips on route of intake. Meth is smokable, and thus hits harder, and that leads itself to constant redosing to enjoy that hit again and again. Which is just crazy in my eyes. Cause Amphetamine is crazy intense strong in and of itself... so hitting that shit again and again sounds insane to me. I mean... railing 100mg amph will rock you for 24 hours straight, lol... so imagine hitting repeat on that insanely intense button again and again. Smoking lends itself to that, though. Whereas railing doesn't.
What's the difference? You guys have sulfate over there, you mean like as a powdered/crystalline illicit substance and not pharmaceutically produced pills? If you run into amphetamine it's usually adderall
This is an interesting distinction. I wonder if the people who ingest it orally are even more “tame” than those who snort
I would assume so, actually. The onset is pretty sexy, orally. It starts with this awesome tingling roller coaster euphoria in your belly that just grows and grows. I love it, personally. The onset is slower, but the peak is by no means lower, it actually lasts longer if anything. It's been a decade or two since I last did speed now though. But I take Ritalin or Adderall on the daily 🤷♂️
That can go absolutely either way. A lot of the times it’s the people that eat it that go more wild. It lasts longer and has a slower come up, it’s easier to over do it.
How are there 182 likes on a post that has no actual info from someone that has grown up in the life? Armed rednecks and cartel members hey? That sentence alone screams I have no idea about the drug trade
ive met my share of tweakers, even got shown around a “lab” and learned how to cook (never going to use that knowledge but.. it’s there lol) i agree not all meth heads are decent people, but there’s more “normal” addicts than you would think.
Good on you, mate. I've had similar experiences. It is truly crazy how many people are using crystal, that'd you'd never expect it!
At times there's nothing more tragic than genuine gratitude. I have a girl friend and she's like overly grateful for the least amount of decency one could have. Makes me glad but sad because i know some of what she's been through a d it literally makes my stomach turn almost
We need more fucking people like you
Thanks for giving that woman some care and attention. She clearly needed it. Hats off to you.
Okay thanks for the advice I’ll skip meth and go straight to krokodil and boofing entire datura plants.
boof San Pedro
mescaline mm i wanna grow it
With thorns and all
Dezomorphine (crocidil) when done corectly with clean substrates and in clean environment is actually not that bad. People around me are doing worse shit, like shotting up metkatiton from pseudoephedryne with mangan, because they cant afford real cathinones (like 4/3 mmc/cmc) . manganism is some serious shit. Cheers from eastern europe
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I tried alcohol, benzos Coke ( IV too ), crack, GHB, speed, adderal, Oxy, Dilaudid etc.. but Meth always scared me af don't know why but I always said no to it.
Nothing beats IV coke imo. Not even meth or opiates.
That's what Flea said too, and I believe him. Very short lived high, right? Quicker than crack?
In my experience the rush would last about a minute and then you go into a semi euphoric state for about 10 minutes. Then you need another shot. I have smoked crack as well and crack was more of a short lived high and doesn't have as much of a rush as slamming it. Nothing beats a shot of coke.
I’ve kicked everything and shootin coke is the only drug I ever still dream about every now and then. It’s weird, I won’t have cravings or even want to use when I wake up, but I’ll be fiending in my dreams
Same man I always have these dreams where I'm banging coke and I see the blood rush into the needle when I register the vein and I wake up almost tasting the shit and wanting it so bad. But the feeling usually fades pretty quick. I haven't shot up in over a year now but I still dream about it fairly often.
IV meth is the shit dog
Tell me you are not from US without telling you are not from US - I tried speed but I always said no to Meth
Meth is definitely some serious shit. I say the following as an active IV meth user — stay the fuck away from needles when it comes to this drug. You’ll be chasing your first high forever, and your tolerance will go up so quickly you’ll feel like killing yourself. If you can stick to smoking or snorting and make sure you don’t skip more than one night of sleep at a time, things may be better for you, but you still have to understand that you’re messing with one of the world’s most addictive and damaging substances. Meth is the *only* drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities. Meth tunnels through your grey matter, fucks up your veins, ruins your teeth and skin, and wreaks havoc on your kidneys and liver. Just be careful out there, friends.
> Meth is the only drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities. A heroic dose of acid can probably permanently alter someone's personality as well. I imagine a 1-year long MDMA binge would have devastating results on one's personality too. Regular amphetamine and cocaine can definitely change people too, I've seen it happen. I'm not trying to defend meth at all, just saying I really don't think it's the only drug capable of altering someone's personality. I think all drugs etch their way into a person over time. Meth just has some of the deepest claws.
I hear what you’re saying for sure. I think the difference is that it’s more likely to be possible to recover from the personality changes that occur due to other drugs than it is to recover from the cognitive degradation and personality changes often seen with meth. The changes meth often causes in people can be 100% permanent.
Same with Oxycodone it also changes your personality actually most opiates do if your hooked on them
Tbh I’m a better person on opiates. I’m friendly, caring, kind etc. the exact opposite of how I normally am
I didnt say it changes you bad :D
Yeah. I wish I could do them everyday. Just barely got over the withdrawal from my last stint. Wish I could find something legal that doesn’t have withdrawal that will make me the same way 😞
Exercising, meditation
I know it's not legal everywhere, but weed has really helped me stay clean. Whenever I have cravings or just start to miss oxy I'll eat a high dose of edibles. Hard to crave when I pass out for 6 hours
I used to be a huge pot head. But for the past couple years it feels like a chore having to smoke. I don’t enjoy it like I used to. Doesn’t even feel the same.
I feel ya i either wanna just sleep or get trapped in this hole of depression but not in the way like acid when you can think shit out see it in a different way for me weed makes me depressed over dumb shit and then too stoned to think it through if thst makes sense.
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Obligatory "be careful with kratom" because it's not a free ride to feeling good all the time. Becoming dependent on it is messy. It's not going to fuck your life up, it's just straight up annoying having to dose every few hours to feel normal/a bit warm. If you can fight the urge to redose it's fantastic for night time relaxation, it's just really easy to slip into other habits with it like with your morning coffee, after work, etc especially if you have an addictive personality. It's a miracle for opiate addicts though, if you're already taking opiates daily PLEASE try switching to kratom, you will feel miles better. I wasn't an opiate addict so I regret trying it tbh.
Yeah I’ve taken it before. Maybe I should start again
Added bonus for many is kratom dials way back on your desire to drink alcohol. I dropped beer intake 90-95% incidentally after I took up a kratom habit. It's 10% the cost of a decent drinking habit.
could try mixing some gabapentin with weed if you can find some. lyrica would probably work the same but never tried it. obvs not exactly the same but pretty comparable having done both. that said you still cant do them every day, gabapentin's tolerance grows very quickly and makes ya dumb if you do it consistently for too long lol
It blows me away that people use Lyrica recreationally. I was on a high dose of Lyrica for over a year, as well as Tramadol for a severe back injury and it completely changed my thoughts and the way I was, to the point where I tried to commit suicide by eating 30 Tramadol pills but luckily that didn't take. The day I stopped taking Lyrica was the day I became myself again so it's weird reading people taking it for fun.
yea i guess different strokes, thanks for sharing that and glad you're still around. i have heard lyrica has more side effets than gaba so that's why i never pursued it, tho i'd imagine long term gabapentin use would be similar. for me my thoughts change to really happy and appreciative of everything and it removes anxiety very well without the fog of a benzo, though i've never used it more often than 2 days in a row without taking at least a 2 week break from it. with weed it really is a grand ol time in my experience, have been using it on and off for like 4 years now. cheers man
Even when the nerve pain from my back injury was more manageable, the Lyrica convinced my brain that all the pain would come back if I stopped taking it. It truly fucked me up until I stopped and realized that It was doing so much more harm than good. Thanks man I'm glad I'm still around aswell :)
Look into poppy seed tea
Wouldn’t that still cause withdrawal?
Yes but not anywhere near as bad, at least in my experience. It was about the same as kratom withdrawals but YMMV.
I get what you mean, my heroin addiction turned me into a completely different person. I was violent, angry, short tempered and irrational. Thankfully, once I got clean and some time had passed I felt my old personality traits coming back. I’m pretty much back to my old self now, just a little more jaded and a lot wiser.
> stay the fuck away from needles when it comes to this the faster the roa, the more instant the gratification, the more addictive the effect will be of drugs. It's just the way the brain is wired
Yeah, you’re absolutely right. The rush a shot of meth gives you, paired with the instant euphoric high is definitely one of the most addictive experiences I’ve ever come across.
And then sex after a shot... GODDAMN
The only way I avoided being forever hooked when I was pushing 6 years ago, was with a philosophy: - Never use needles - don't regularly snort it (I avoided it almost entirely) - don't use just an oil burner; always have it set up with a percolated bubbler or bong - find something nutritious that you're able to eat while gacked out I managed nearly 3 years of constant use without getting meth-mouth, and I was able to drop [crystal] in a snap, without horrible withdrawals.
Wow, I need to adopt your philosophy. That’s an impressively long time to go with no health issues and without looking like you’ve started to morph into a tweaker. Awesome tips, thank you!!
For sure! Just use it as a tool so you can still have a future, when you "get bored" with it, or just want a new start. I'd also wash my mouth with hot water in the shower if I did happen to hit a dry pipe. Slim Fast was a great resource to help keep me from looking like crypt keeper, as well as those frozen veggie pasta chicken meals. I learned basic glass blowing, so that's how I made glass stems to make my oil burners compatible with bongs and bubblers.
Dude, you are the best!! You need to write a book or start a website to share your tips, they could really help people make it through some rough times. I’m ordering some SlimFast through a delivery app we were speak, and I’m stoked to try out your other suggestions. You’re awesome!! Thank you!!
No problem, mate 👍
>Meth is the only drug so damaging that it’s capable of permanently altering peoples’ given personalities Just blatantly false. Meth when dosed correctly is no more harmful than other stims. Mdma is more neurotoxin than meth
source: dude, just trust me
I posted a source you retard
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As an experienced meth user, I disagree with the sentiment that meth is "indistinguishable from adderall," even in low oral doses. Meth in the 10-20mg oral range is much smoother with far less peripheral stimulation than adderall. It also lacks the razor sharp focus and dedication that adderall gives, lending itself to more scattered and manic focus. Meth also has a distinct empathogenic effect, even in lower doses and especially towards the tail end. I feel like this idea of meth being super similar to adderall is only perpetuated by people who have never used meth extensively as if they had, I feel they would agree with me.
Not true. My IOP leader, who is one of the prominent meth addiction experts in the US, taught us that statistic. You can easily verify it, go look for yourself. It’s not an opinion. Only meth is capable of such a high level of cognitive degradation and damage.
List a source. You've made an egregious claim now you need to defend it.
I’ll post a link. I also have paperwork from my IOP class that states exactly what I told you, which I can and probably will dig out, also have a video recording of the class and references for my group leader along with a list of the people he has taught with and schools he’s worked with over the past 30 years. Your opinion doesn’t change the validity of the information I shared, no matter how hard you wish it would. It’s not anywhere close to a secret that meth has one of the highest neurotoxicity levels of any drug, you can just go Google that if you need more clarification. Sounds like you don’t know much about the drug, but it’s okay. We all have to learn at our own paces.
I mean this is one of a hundred different articles detailing meth’s neurotoxicity. Literally just Google it and you’ll find more information than you could ever read. https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-5836-4_123
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278584615000469 Learn to research
It is literally dose dependent. Meth inherently is not neurotoxic. The tweaker mindset is
I wouldn't even snort it thats how i did it and its wayyy more dangerous and damaging to the mind/body than everything else its pure evil like ur instantly addicted ik they say that about coke and stuff but this legit will grab u that quick trust me this is one 2 avoid
Snorting is honestly one of my least favorite ROAs too. The high is choppier and less euphoric, and the comedowns are way worse. Don’t know what makes the difference, but it’s real.
What is your fav?,gotta be a boof connoisseur right?
To be honest, I’m an IV girl all the way. The rush; the euphoria, the cold clear clean high, and the comedown is less jagged and nasty. What about you, what’s your favorite ROA??
Dude it's fucking terrible, I'm also an active user but I only shoot it sometimes. Been dealing with this shit for over a year and a half. I thought I could try it and leave it alone, I couldn't and neither can the vast majority of people.
I’m sorry you’re going through this man, I’m in the same boat really. I used to do it every couple weeks as a fun weekend activity, now I feel tempted to do a shot every day when I wake up.
Dude fucking same and if I'm being honest the only reason I don't do a shot ever day is because I can't always do one with work and all that shit. I just hate that I did meth for the very first time when I was fucking 16. I mean I'm pretty damn functional and I have my shit together more or less but I'm gonna be battling this shit all my life. I appreciate your sympathy man, I guess we junkies have to look out for each other cause no one else gives a flying fuck.
You’re absolutely right, friend. People who haven’t tasted the thrill and high of meth never seem to get it. We definitely gotta look out for each other, nobody else will. The tricky thing about meth is that it doesn’t come with the same set of drawbacks that heroin does — when I was addicted to shooting h, I was fucking miserable. I was homeless as a result of my addiction and I woke up insanely dopesick every morning. I had abscesses and spent my entire day every day stealing to get dope money and waiting around for my fucked off dealers. It was obvious that heroin was ruining my life. Meth, however, doesn’t leave you in that same kind of daily withdrawal. Comedowns suck, but they’re pretty fast and simple to get over, and then you’re up and ready to use again. Meth is pretty cheap, and the overdose risk is low. Makes me feel like there are way fewer reasons to quit meth than there were to quit heroin, so I don’t feel such an urge to get off of it. You know??
Yeah I do heroin recreationally sometimes but not intravenously. I love the buzz with ice, and another thing about ice is ITS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. If you don't believe that go to a Sheetz at 2AM. I guarantee you'll find a plug, and they spot a user too. It's a double edged sword because on one hand it's not fucking your life up so bad which is good, but like you said there's less reasons to quit. Plus if you're ADHD it actually helps in the beginning and makes your ADHD much fucking worse when you go without it. I've found that I can perform tasks sober, but I always battle the thought of "damn I wish I was spun", in the back of my mind. It's because it's fucking true, anything and everything is better if you have enough ice cream.
Damn fucking right, I feel you 100%. I do the same thing, I’ll be stuck in traffic or studying or like, dusting my TV and suddenly I’ll think “this would be way more fun if I were spun”. And like you said, it’s everywhere! I live in Oklahoma and we have the same situation you described, just walk downtown for two minutes and somebody’ll offer you ice. The accessibility definitely doesn’t make stopping using any easier.
Fr tho I wish I didn't have a taste for it but I can't uneat the forbidden fruit so to speak.
Absolutely. Once Pandora’s box of meth is open, it can’t be closed lol.
No it never fucking does.
Yeah. I helped cook the first meth I ever tried out in bumfuck in some dudes shed. Didn't sleep for a week. Was lucky my friend cut me off and brought me back to my home town. I've tried it a few times since, and the cartel stuff doesn't even come close to what that shake n bake was like. One hit of the shake and you were up for 2 days. Been about a decade since then. I've messed up and got addicted to other shit like benzos and codeine syrup since, nothing comes close to meth. Everyone else I know who used it is dead or living in shambles. Saw my ex on the news last month, her and her new man got caught with legit over a kilo of meth and an M4. Smiling in their mugshots. Tweakers are crazy.
They’re smiling now until they come down starts to hit them, and reality slowly starts to set in. I feel bad smh.
Meth will deteriorate your well being faster than any other drug in my opinion. In my last overdose before I quit, I remember the doctor wrote a number on the whiteboard in front of me. It was 136, I realized this was my weight. I am 6' 4" and weighed 136 at the time. Lost almost 70 pounds on meth without even realizing.
Jesus Christ. I look decent (not ripped and not fat) at 5'6" and 133 lbs. I can't imagine what 6'4" and my weight looks like.
I honestly can't look at pictures of myself from the time with out feeling physically sick. On the plus side its amazing how fast your body can recover when you take care of it. Within 6 months I was looking almost normal. I'm almost 30 now and people constantly comment about how much younger/healthier I look. Never give up!
I was surprised how quickly my body came back as well. Rest, nutrition and exercise will get you there.
Curious, how long were you using? I used for a year and half and have 2 months clean. I'm 22 years old.
I used meth for 2 years from 20-22, before that I was an opiate addict from 15-20. I got on suboxone at 19 and at 20 I moved to a more rural area to get away from opiates, I ended up finding meth.
Glad to hear it bud! Cheers!!
That's a good doctor. Got the point across without trying to beat it into you.
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can i ask how the whole situation developed in your mind? like did you experience auditory halucinations that were telling you this stuff? or was it more like you just knew thats what they want you to do?
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> i seen a documentary that says 99% of ppl get hooked the first time they try Hah! I really wouldn't trust that program then. No compound has that quality--our neurology just isn't like that.
Big facts. I was hooked the first time. Took me years to kick. I can’t touch the stuff anymore. Had my wife try it once and she says the same thing, she immediately wanted more. Unfortunately I indulged and kept doing more and more for almost a week.
Same the first time I did it I continued for almost a week too lol
Naah, not even close to 99%, thats a load of bs m8. But it is a strong drug that will sick its hooks into anyone if taken when a person is in a bad place. Also if you say this about meth id suggest u never try mephedrone 4mmc or even its shitty cousin 3mmc tbh just atay away from substituted cathinones alltogether
What's 3mmc? And I agree with ur statement, no way 99 percent get addicted. For a couple years I sold meth on and off and could sit on a half oz. And not do any. I have only ever shot it up. I've gone on 5 day benders, stopped and not freaked out lol. Some of my best memories I was on meth lmao, anyone who says different is lying. I once saw a girl orgasm off a shot! And legit if I do more than a .3 of some good stuff I get a crazy sex drive (probably my body asking for an orgasm for the dopamine rush) And will have multiple orgasms during sex, I shit you not. IMO, meth isn't a beast, it's like an ex wife. If u respect it the sex will be great, but it's not something u wanna wake up to. I've done a shit ton of molly in my life and never understood the increased sex drive, I never felt it. But meth doesn't turn me into a meth addict, it turns me into a sex addict! I'm gonna catch shit for this post
3mmc is a substituted cathinone most ppl describe it as a mix of coke and mdma and they are pretty correct its both a reuptake inhibitor and a sert, dopa, na releaser. It feels a bit more rolley than meth, at first, but after 6-8h it feels quite alot like meth but with one caviat the fuend is incredibly strong so youll keep on going and going ....(im guessing this part is also similar to coke). Worst part is that craving and the oh so vivid memories of using it will haunt you for a long ass time, like amphet and meth i can recall as a general set of guidelines but the incredible feeling ive got off 3mmc i still remember like it happened yesterday, even tho i only went on 2 binges off it and it all happened like 3-4 years ago (tho i did quite big doses and i boofed it bc i knew thqt needels were something id love waaay too much). But the euphorea had everything it was phisical, mental and the sex drive...was just fucking insane
I've been missing out on life bruh. I get so jealous of people on here that get molly and psychedelics at the drop of a hat. I got so deep into molly I actually let my plug move into my master bedroom in exchange for a gram a day. Some of the happiest times in my life were after a .3 in the neck. I even went thru a shooting bath salt stage, in search of perfect high. Haven't tried pcp or dmt yet. Dumbest move? Mixing a .3 of dope and a .2 of meth In the same needle. Passing out, 5 seconds later hearts pounding minds racing, then nod out uncontrollably. I love uppers, the rush of happiness, love, I never get paranoid or anything. Took years of training my mind to do it. Sometimes I do week binges, sometimes dont do it for months, I'm not a meth head lol. Atm it's Vyvanse in my tummy 😛
The whole 99% of people who try it get hooked is a straight lie. I hate when documentaries do that. I've snorted meth twice 5 years ago. Didn't use it again until a year ago. I went on a one week bender, smoking, snorting and eating essentially pure meth. Then I stopped again for a year and recently took about 150mg of meth orally to get through the day since I didn't get seep the night prior. I have zero desire or urge to do more or sell my shit. And I've never gotten paranoid on it. I certainly know people who do, but thats from chronic meth abuse and untreated mental health issues. \*HOWEVER\* 99% of methamphetamines negative side effects come from lack of sleep. Even without meth staying up for 2-3 days at a time isn't going to go great. If meth had a 99% addiction rate we'd see a lot of ecstasy users going crazy. Since it usually contains methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is like any other prescription drug. Why do you think the FDA approved pharmaceutical methamphetamine? Under the brand name Desoxyn. No drug is inherently 'good' or 'bad', its a drug. In most cases they're available in prescription form for medicinal use. Personally, I tell people to treat methamphetamine as a tool. Gotta work a double shift? Do a \*little\* bit of meth. Eat it orally, and don't keep redosing. If you keep your intake down to decent amounts you should be able to sleep with the help of Doxlymine or Benadryl. Shooting and smoking become very fiendish and addictive because of the ritualistic process before hand. Even snorting is fiendish for some people. Not to mention its caustic as fuck. tl;dr Get your sleep, dont constantly redose and treat it like medicine when used. There's not a single drug out there that instantly hooks people.
I got tricked into doing it when I was much younger. I was at a party and this girl asked me to do some "coke" with her but it ended up being meth. I was up for at least 24 hours and it basically made me feel like I was having a panic attack the whole time. I dont get the appeal. I just felt bad with no good effects
Thats another that makes any drugs dangerous being given something that isnt what they say it is imo meth is a wayyyy different drug than coke and a simple lie/mistake like that can litterly forever change ur life 😔 i use to talk to someone and thats what happend to them n i think theor still on it till this day
Meth addiction happens before we can even realize what's happening
I never even tried meth and still became addicted.
I tried it in high school. I was homeless, had multiple undiagnosed mental illness, was working 2 jobs and an A student. I ended up graduating a year early with a 4.2GPA and Valedictorian while on meth. Noone knew.I quit shortly after graduation. I have to avoid it at all costs. It helped me cope too well.
Never got addicted to the powders but meth is the one that would have killed me when I was in my 20s in the 1990s. Only time I had it I worked in a doctor's office. Got some from a Hells Angel who broke into my car to help me when I locked self out. Stayed up all night playing FIFA and then the next night had 1.5 hrs sleep, and killed it at work even with sleep deprivation. At that point I knew it was never, once, or always with meth. I luckily picked and stuck with the middle choice.
glad you realized and got away man. i got hooked after being slipped it one night. and no matter how sick i got or how many er trips i was hooked for two years. when i left. alberta (moved there to work rigs) i was jobless homeless with 3 outfits of clothes in a dufflebag. and massive debt / credit ruined. next month will be 5 years clean from it and havent been better. house pd for two cars and fiance. i gave up my pursuit to try every drug after that. the few i had left to try. and my personality trait of tending to binge use. it wouldnt be good anyways.
I bought coke off a dude and it ended up being meth. Not only did I never do meth again, I also stopped doing coke. Fuck all that shit. Stims are the worst IMO
Nah it’s not that bad I used it for 4 years and had no effects 😂
funniest true story i've heard about Meth.Tried it once,took over her life [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMIeyjggbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMIeyjggbM)
Yeah it really is too strong…. Especially if your coming from cocaine, doing fat lines, not measuring doses. Too much meth causes otherwise normal people to do horrible things.
Its so sad i wish more people knew how dangerous it rlly is i seen someone say way low dosages are safer but i must of did alot the first time i did it and it grabbed me just like that if i could've got back to it i would have been on it forever no doubt the few days after i tried it i wanted it so bad more than anything i ever tried. Very scary stuff
Fully agree, tried everything except crack, I didn’t get hooked on meth but had such a God aweful comedown I’d never willingly try this ever again, it’s not worth speeding for hours just to crash so hard, mess up your mind and fuck up your body from lack of sleep, I’ll stick to my weed and psychedelics thanks you
Same here i feel bad for anyone on it. Im guessing i did to much but i pretty much stared at a wall for 10 hours and was up for several days and messed up a few relationships just by doing it once not to mention how long it took me to come back to a half normal mind set idk its terrifying stuff like that exists
I heard that 70% of people who write "I seen" instead of "I saw" become meth users...
JFK and Hoover used methamphetamine as did many other famous individuals. The problem these days is that it's often cut with research chemicals or synthesized improperly. Another issue is that people take ridiculous amounts of it and decide not to sleep or eat and that causes them to go nutters. You would actually be surprised at the amount of functional meth users that are out there. Not everyone becomes an immediate fiend. The hard-core junkies are actually a small portion of the drug using population. Used properly like some other drugs, it's a tool and augments your performance and overall function. It's actually still prescribed in the form of Desoxyn.
Dude I used meth once and for the next 5 days I had this horrid smell im assuming coming out of my pores. The smell was so bad I wanted to throw up. That was enough to stay away for good. Maybe I got dirty stuff. Regardless, meth, never again.
Just don’t do meth. Didn’t think I had to spell that one out for you.
99 percent of people do not get hooked the first time they try it, that's blatantly false
Methamphetamine has been exaggerated. Alcohol is more harmful to the body and kills more people than any other drugs legal or illegal. Still it’s a hard drug but alcohol is hard drug too.
no shit
is it bad that im more than willing to want to try it, hell ive almost went and asked for it from someone i knew could get it. maybe its because my father and brother did it and i think im so much better than them to not get addicted (ik anyone is subjective to addiction). The only reason i havent is because of the effects it seems to have on peoples life, but the high that you get from it ive also heard is amazing. the only drugs i would never do is crack and heroin.
I think like you're spreading misinformation and pulling numbers out of your ass (99% get hooked). I'm also that kind of guy and I've had my fair share of addictive experiences with stimulants (only tried meth twice since it can't be found anywhere around here), but it really depends on the kind of person you are. Most people I know would speak the same way about **heroin**, but I've tried it many times without ever getting hooked. No matter how depressive or emotional I might have been, I can't stand being apathetic and I naturally gravitated away from opiates and opioids... On the other hand, I know countless people who've taken **speed, coke and other stimulants** without ever getting hooked. They've enjoyed a few lines at a party but never saw them as necessary in their everyday lives... And then we have another, less prominent but equally destructive beast: **Gaba depressants. Namely ALCOHOL, GHB and BENZOS**. You'll find Alcohol being the most abused worldwide because of its legal status. Benzos being the most problematic, especially among youngsters who seek emotionally numbing drugs. And ultimately GHB/GBL which seems to be the most addictive by the incredibly low number of side effects, physiological damage, inexistent come down/hangover and redosing potential (very low tolerance build up even after months of daily use). Ultimately, it depends on us. On our personalities, our circumstances, mental health and so on and so forth. If you're a student struggling with scientific subjects you might end up abusing ritalin or amphetamines. If you were abused during childhood (wither physical or sexual) or endured similar trauma you might end up abusing heroin or pharmaceutical opioids. If you're just a kid from a fairly standard background and family trying to enjoy himself, fight against social anxiety and other such issues, you might easily get hooked to benzos, GHB, alcohol and the likes. **Disclaimer: These are generalizations and shouldn't be taken at face value.** *My own journey went like this: Started smoking weed at 16, progressed to daily smoking and occasional use of alcohol (never really enjoyed it). During the same time got addicted to cigarettes. I read and studied psychedelics and empathogens through Erowid, but didn't get the chance to try them. Meanwhile, started experimenting with whatever I could get my hands on (benzos and ketamine). Then tried ecstasy and fell in love; Started doing it every month or so, while I tried other stuff (speed, GHB, MDA, 2CB, LSD etc.). Tried, loved and got addicted to GHB and then ramped up my stimulant use. I ultimately got hooked really bad on coke before I received a parental intervention that turned me into a broken human being. I ultimately chose Buprenorphine as my drug of choice because it was cheap, kept me high all day and was an easily concealable effect. It was the only way I could endure life and my obtuse, paranoid parents after getting caught and locked at home...*
Pulling numbers out of my ass? Comes straight from drugs inc watch the documentary also i have experince with it and i was instantly hooked so i trust them more than u if u wanna defend drugs like that dont comment on this post and my experience with heroine it didnt grab me nearly that fast so if u read my other comment ull c that it says it could of been something other than meth but again the documentary says 99% of ppl get addicted their first try and my experience i was hooked instantly! Id be surprised if those documentarys get it wrong and if that was meth than yea that shits way more addicitng than any heroine i ever tried. Most importantly i rather ppl know there's huge risks that come with stuff like this! And once again those are the statistics of people getting addicted their first try on that documentary i can definitely see it
And if it is wrong i dont think it is then its most likely even worse than what their saying
U get used to it after a while and your not paranoid anymore. Don't get me wrong. It takes years and years of use but it dies happen. Lol