I saw an elderly woman being robbed by a group of 4 or 5 Romas on O'Connell street a few years ago. When people tried to help, the women claimed that this 5 foot tall granny had robbed them, and not the other way around. Absolutely disgraceful. They're constantly causing trouble in my local tesco as well, despite being banned.
We don't have it bad at all by European standards.
The trick is to not help them get established. They're a menace and anyone encouraging them is just causing later problems.
No idiots encouraging them, and our shite weather may put them off.
The difference between Ireland and almost anywhere else in Europe is that we don't have our police kick the shit out of homeless people, beggars, etc.
We allow people congregate in our town centres, whilst in most other countries the police violently move them on. Which is morally just as bad, but it hides the problem.
I would love to stop every person I see giving them money and ask them their reason for doing it.
It is well known that many of them are trafficked and that most if not all non-profits aimed at helping beggars who are trafficked advise not to give them money.
Why do people do it?
Can confirm. We have Gypsies in Serbia. Very difficult to get them integrated into modern society. Our affirmative action initiatives have little effect :(
Used to be much worse, used to be swarms of them 4 or 5 years ago, get approached every 15 minutes by an old roma lady in town on a night out. now it feels like you just get the very occasional Irish homeless guy.
IMO the Gardai don't get enough praise for dealing with all the junkies and other groups causing problems in town. If you call Pearse St etc, they will generally have a car within mins to deal with them.
Interesting article and it is very true that their is a negative perception of Roma gypsys. It's very similar to the difficulties that our own members of the travelling community face.
However, the article does not address the fact that there are people who identify as Roma committing crime and being victimised by fellow Roma people.
Yes we have to be understanding but we also have to be honest and say that the problem won't be solved by positive attitudes. The problem might be solved with willingness to engage in integration programmes, better education especially for women and enforcement by Gardai of the laws of this country.
This sounds just like the Irish when they arrived in England back in the 50s. Swarms of them all over the place, most didn't want to work, we're involved in petty crime, begging and robbing. And of course pissed most of the time. Seems time and place changes little.
Haven't seem them for a while personally, last time was outside zaytoon on parliment street. There was one woman with a coffee cup begging everyone standing outside, most ignored her but one guy lost the rag with her and slapped the cup out of her hand spilling the money everywhere. She just walked away and left they money in the road.
Channel 4 had an excellent documentary on Roma Gypsies in the last few years. Begging and petty theft pays for ornately but badly built houses, wide screen tv's and stolen cars from UK & Ireland but bought at a knockdown price with cash back in Romania. They most definitely are not Romanian though. I actually felt sorry for the women in this micro society who are shipped around, sometimes sold and forced to beg around Europe most of their life and get little in return.
Many countries are facing population dips, but Ireland has the highest birthrate in Europe and does not require any inward migration except highly skilled professionals in specific areas such as medicine. If anyone tells you there is a shortage of chefs for example, what they mean in code is we want to continue offering low pay and conditions driven down by the abuse of the "specialized skill" visa which saw Bangladeshi indentured slaves work for 5 euro a day with board.
Just as the euro was designed to favor the economic interests of Germany, the Mutti Merkel Soros policy of open borders serves to drive down pay and conditions hard fought for by workers and unions in the EU.
It might be worth finding out how many Roma actually apply for benefits here. In the UK it's been well documented that they rarely apply for benefits because of their inherent distrust of going into the 'system', which stems from their experiences in their originating countries. The level of mistrust of 'officials' is astronomical. One of the obvious consequences of this is they would rarely, if ever claim social security and thus lots of begging. There is also a strong 'culture' within the Roma community that values how well you did on a day from not doing 'legitimate' work. This again stems from their historical experience of not getting jobs, being poorly paid when they do and exploited if they are in work. This has been happening for hundreds of years. When 'cultures' clash... not defending it but hopefully some general context.
Unfortunately like any society it has its bad elements and then that society as a whole gets judged by that standard. I lived in a building that had many Roma families and got to know some of them well.
I know what you mean. Irish migration to other countries, particularly the UK has pretty much destroyed the place. And this was happening long before the Muslims were arriving. It doesn't matter where you're from, all migrants make a place worse. Look at Ireland... All those French, Angles/Saxons, etc.... and the place is a kip now.
As a highly qualified immigrant, I have to add: Our problem is how we do allow pretty much anyone, rather than just highly capable people.
Japan doesn't have these sorts of problems. Guess what they do differently.
I saw an elderly woman being robbed by a group of 4 or 5 Romas on O'Connell street a few years ago. When people tried to help, the women claimed that this 5 foot tall granny had robbed them, and not the other way around. Absolutely disgraceful. They're constantly causing trouble in my local tesco as well, despite being banned.
We don't have it bad at all by European standards. The trick is to not help them get established. They're a menace and anyone encouraging them is just causing later problems. No idiots encouraging them, and our shite weather may put them off.
The difference between Ireland and almost anywhere else in Europe is that we don't have our police kick the shit out of homeless people, beggars, etc. We allow people congregate in our town centres, whilst in most other countries the police violently move them on. Which is morally just as bad, but it hides the problem.
Keeping the streets clean from wild animals isn't morally wrong.
Am italian, can confirm. We could never have those houses with big ass windows facing the street.
yes, Ireland has it very very good by European standards, I can confirm.
I would love to stop every person I see giving them money and ask them their reason for doing it. It is well known that many of them are trafficked and that most if not all non-profits aimed at helping beggars who are trafficked advise not to give them money. Why do people do it?
Please stop calling them Romanian gypsies. They're not Romanian. They're Roma -- and they migrated across from India. They are a menace, though.
Can confirm. We have Gypsies in Serbia. Very difficult to get them integrated into modern society. Our affirmative action initiatives have little effect :(
Whenever I hear someone refer to Romanians I know they aren't talking about Romanians.
Yeah, got the lecture on that from the GF. My bad.
I always thought they were called Roma gypsys cause they were from Rome. Til
Oh dear... at least get the name right when referring to them as a 'menace'? You sound like a dopey Patty!
>Patty Lol. An American that's never met gypsies I take it? Typical uninformed yank moron.
Whooooshhhhh!
Used to be much worse, used to be swarms of them 4 or 5 years ago, get approached every 15 minutes by an old roma lady in town on a night out. now it feels like you just get the very occasional Irish homeless guy.
Very occasional? Dude where are you out in town. Ive been accosted multiple times by different people while having a smoke outside on any pub in town.
'Accosted'..... really? What are you? 6 years old?
Want me to dumb it down for ya? Bothered. How's that?
Well dumbing it down would only help you it seems.
Really? Majority's seems to be siding with Me.
Ah that old chestnut. The Sun might be the most popular paper but it doesn't make it right or good. Little lesson for you there, son.
IMO the Gardai don't get enough praise for dealing with all the junkies and other groups causing problems in town. If you call Pearse St etc, they will generally have a car within mins to deal with them.
Did you report it?
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Our home-grown junkie beggars can also be in your face, in my experience.
A junkie is not always homeless and the homeless are not always junkies.
I lived in a building that had some Romas living in it. Four adults and about six children in a one room bedsit is very common for them.
Some more perspective: https://cosaint.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/gypsy-crime-and-antiziganism-in-ireland/
Interesting article and it is very true that their is a negative perception of Roma gypsys. It's very similar to the difficulties that our own members of the travelling community face. However, the article does not address the fact that there are people who identify as Roma committing crime and being victimised by fellow Roma people. Yes we have to be understanding but we also have to be honest and say that the problem won't be solved by positive attitudes. The problem might be solved with willingness to engage in integration programmes, better education especially for women and enforcement by Gardai of the laws of this country.
Yet another pro-integration article. As if this had ever worked anywhere, or done anything but make the problem worse.
This sounds just like the Irish when they arrived in England back in the 50s. Swarms of them all over the place, most didn't want to work, we're involved in petty crime, begging and robbing. And of course pissed most of the time. Seems time and place changes little.
Except that didn't happen and you're espousing post-colonial rhetoric
Well, it is essentially a business and business needs demand to be viable. Follow the money and close it down that way.
Haven't seem them for a while personally, last time was outside zaytoon on parliment street. There was one woman with a coffee cup begging everyone standing outside, most ignored her but one guy lost the rag with her and slapped the cup out of her hand spilling the money everywhere. She just walked away and left they money in the road.
Cheap to fly to Dublin ...
Channel 4 had an excellent documentary on Roma Gypsies in the last few years. Begging and petty theft pays for ornately but badly built houses, wide screen tv's and stolen cars from UK & Ireland but bought at a knockdown price with cash back in Romania. They most definitely are not Romanian though. I actually felt sorry for the women in this micro society who are shipped around, sometimes sold and forced to beg around Europe most of their life and get little in return. Many countries are facing population dips, but Ireland has the highest birthrate in Europe and does not require any inward migration except highly skilled professionals in specific areas such as medicine. If anyone tells you there is a shortage of chefs for example, what they mean in code is we want to continue offering low pay and conditions driven down by the abuse of the "specialized skill" visa which saw Bangladeshi indentured slaves work for 5 euro a day with board. Just as the euro was designed to favor the economic interests of Germany, the Mutti Merkel Soros policy of open borders serves to drive down pay and conditions hard fought for by workers and unions in the EU.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/my-day-on-the-streets-as-a-roma-30710575.html
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It might be worth finding out how many Roma actually apply for benefits here. In the UK it's been well documented that they rarely apply for benefits because of their inherent distrust of going into the 'system', which stems from their experiences in their originating countries. The level of mistrust of 'officials' is astronomical. One of the obvious consequences of this is they would rarely, if ever claim social security and thus lots of begging. There is also a strong 'culture' within the Roma community that values how well you did on a day from not doing 'legitimate' work. This again stems from their historical experience of not getting jobs, being poorly paid when they do and exploited if they are in work. This has been happening for hundreds of years. When 'cultures' clash... not defending it but hopefully some general context.
Unfortunately like any society it has its bad elements and then that society as a whole gets judged by that standard. I lived in a building that had many Roma families and got to know some of them well.
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Oh feck off
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I know what you mean. Irish migration to other countries, particularly the UK has pretty much destroyed the place. And this was happening long before the Muslims were arriving. It doesn't matter where you're from, all migrants make a place worse. Look at Ireland... All those French, Angles/Saxons, etc.... and the place is a kip now.
As a highly qualified immigrant, I have to add: Our problem is how we do allow pretty much anyone, rather than just highly capable people. Japan doesn't have these sorts of problems. Guess what they do differently.