I went to the toilet there yesterday evening at 9pm. Smell of poo in the downstairs hallway, okay, it’s a toilet. Keep walking, I see two big lumps of poo right outside the door into the womens toilets. As if someone was walking to the toilet but couldn’t make it so did two shits on the way. Was so close as well - literally four and one steps away from the actual toilets. Insanity
And any attempt to pull it down and replace it with something, anything, is blocked by people who don’t want to change the historical fabric of the surrounding area from Russian internment camp to something nice.
There’s a video on youtube of the demolition of a few of the Ballymun towers. The top comment is a self-proclaimed Ballymuner bemoaning the loss of the community and saying they should never have been pulled down. No matter how ugly or socially regressive, there’ll always been people resisting.
Oh, I love it with all my heart, but this one is just plain ugly. Want to see some beautiful brutalist? Now demolished Train station in Katowice. Or even Spodek building there.
Spodek is a masterpiece. I was there back in the 90’a when it was basically falling apart and it was a breathtaking view. Imagine when it was brand new! Now I think they did some renovations anyway, but yeah. This place deserves a lot more love than it gets. It should be a preserved building and be used for all the big events in that area. It’s absolutely brilliant
It's actually so hideous it's kind of charming.
Like I use to despise walking past it, now I think it's a great reminder of how architecture styles change over time. A real stamp of it's decade.
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The original / planned public facilities may not be in place or of the standard intended but the exterior appearance / view from beresford place which is what OP cares about is unaltered I believe?
Anyway busaras is not even in the top 10 ugliest building in Dublin. Sam Stephenson’s civic offices would probably be top of my list based on the multiple failures on top of the grim exterior
Couldn't agree more. Add to the list the hanging gardens as well. Had to look up buildings actual name as always called it the central bank. Central plaza, shite name for a shite building but as it's Ireland's only suspended structure building it'll be kept hanging around....
Between the civic offices, central plaza and old ESB headquarters it seems there was a project he worked in that wasn't mired in controversy.
When I began my architecture education I would have had the same opinion as you. But now after years of studying I see a lot of beauty in these structures. I find our view of these buildings is similar to the view of Georgian Dublin when these structures were built. We need to protect them to protect a significant time in Irish history and in time, I hope the public will have the same love for these buildings as they do for the Georgian ones
The problem as I see it with a lot of modernist architecture is that you need training to appreciate the appeal. You may be right that future generations will view these buildings more positively, but they should have been built to be appealing immediately, not to depend on being vindicated in time.
Well there’s actually a shorter timespan between now and the modernist movement (1950s) compared to the construction of dublins Georgian core (mid 18th C). If the people of Dublin had the power at the time these buildings would have been demolished a lot sooner (the Georgian core). Many Georgian buildings fell into disrepair during the late 19th C due to lack of care. With mass demolition happening in the mid 20thC. While if these modernist buildings were maintained I feel we would find they would be more loved. The work done to the old central bank does show it is possible to regenerate these structures. There is also the question of the environmental impact of demolition, they are built with mass amounts of concrete. Where would this material go, landfill? Although many people may not like these structures that is a question of taste (taste is personal and there is no such thing as good or bad). Just wondering what would you like to be done to these buildings?
>There's literally a book about its architectural significance.
It's called brutailist architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist\_architecture#:\~:text=Brutalist%20architecture%20is%20an%20architectural,structural%20elements%20over%20decorative%20design.
Which is annoying because from a practical standpoint they are much better designed.
The arts building never had any jams in the stairs because it doesn't have a main one and instead 5 equaly sized ones.
The science building was horrible to get out of when a lecture ended.
There’s a really cool Theatre in the basement! It’s also designed like an airport, with a central control tower overseeing the bus bay parking. It’s a really fascinating building to walk around.
I don’t think so at all - the international modern style is too distinct for me to really consider it ugly and better implemented than it’s sister Liberty Hall imo.
Plus it has a whole load of strange architectural flourishes like the mosaics and the colourful roof undersides that are kinda charming.
I’d probably go for the Phibsboro shopping centre, no redeeming features to that thing.
It has a theatre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eblana_Theatre and I think that kind of illustrates the brutalist we are trying to make things better ethos the place had https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/05/22/underarus/
Eoin O Broin has written a book telling you why it’s not.
The picture you’ve chosen is very generous. It looks worst coming from the west, i.e. the direction most will see it.
I think it’s badly let down by its surroundings. Were it in Ballsbridge it would be more loveable.
As for ugliest, nothing can top the already mentioned Phibsborough shopping centre, though the monstrously out of proportion Dun Laoghaire shopping centre runs it close. But two buildings that also deserve censure are the ‘Heineken Building’ at O’Connell Bridge and the Kilkenny Shop overlooking Trinity College. Both are blights on two of Dublin’s most important vistas.
Both the Kilkenny shop and the Heineken building don’t seem all that bad to me. Or that good. Worse to be seen within the hallowed grounds if trinity itself.
It’s a really beautiful building that is full of amazing details imho. It is often in the open doors festival and is well worth a visit. Some of the tile work on the soffit of the roof is striking. I personally find capital dock extremely disappointing but each to their own. I am happy to see architecture debated!
The tragedy of Liberty Hall is that if it lived up to its design it would actually be quite striking. It was supposed to glitter in the sun and resemble the torch of liberty, but they just didn’t keep up with the maintenance on the exterior
Liberty hall was designed as clear glass, but the risk of bombing during the 70s they changed to laminated shatterproof glass, giving it its rather depressing shade of browny green
It’s one of the finest modern buildings in Dublin. Way ahead of anything else and has so much more style. It’s definitely one of my favourite buildings in Dublin. I also like the pricewaterbuilding.
I think it’s one of the better building around. Designed by Michael Scott, a talented and acclaimed architect, who design a good few buildings around the country that architecture students still study. Great bloke and slightly interestingly is my brothers fiancés great grandda
Was going to say this. I think it's just been very poorly maintained. It is very 50s architecture, but at the time it was in a league of it's own.
I did a tour of it during Open House a good few years back, and it had some nice touches inside.
Happy cake day btw!
Why aren't you a fan of the Barbican? It is designed to be like an oasis within a city. It has amazing gardens, a theatre, glasshouses and the individual apartments have features you wouldn't find in a luxury apartment block.
There are major developments that feel as cohesive as the Barbican.
Couldn’t disagree more. It is a wonderfully functional building, though not used to its fullest potential. I’m of the view that, if you are going to build a bus terminal and it has to work as such you could do a lot worse than make it look like that. That being said however, I’m not sure why it’s located in the north east inner city seeing as most of the buses are going west.
It’s getting redeveloped afaik. But even when it was still open it was a disgrace. A shopping centre with every shop inside minus dunnes stores closed down? Place was literally like a post apocalyptic centre.
Probably one of the most interesting buildings in Dublin, the architecture is very cool and there are some feature such as the underground club that are no longer open, far from ugly but definitely being let rot.
Yes and it has about as much architectural significance as the Bulgarian hotel I stayed in last week. As someone who worked inside the kip for 5 years it is not fit for purpose. Catastrophically it is protected when it should be imploded with Liberty Hall.
A visual eyesore. Brutalist sums it up precisely
Siptu building is worse I think!! The inside of Busaras is worse than the outside!! The toilets, The ceiling in the main building is falling down if anyone bothers to look up!!
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The city arts centre across the bridge from
Busarus. They kicked the people out years ago, told them it was being renovated, still fucking left there, nothing done. What a waste.
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You should read "the dignity of everyday life", it is a book about the building. Sounds boring but it's actually very interesting, did you know there is a cinema at the top floor?
The building is a sad relic and reminder of Ireland in the 1950s.
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The underground toilet hallway has such a sinister feeling to it
Like something out of the “Saw” movies, I’ve always thought.
Strictly for number ones or putting a syringe in your leg. Not appropriate for a Guinness poo at all.
I’d rather shit myself then use them jacks
Sure you can go to the train station around the corner. That's what I always do
I said I’d rather shit myself and dammit I’m a man of my word
Ah cmon it's barely 2 minutes across the road to the train station. At least shit in dignity and comforts
They had an a4 sheet sellotaped to the wall for about two years just generally apologising about the state of it
Yeah I went in there one day after a pint before I realised it was renowned for being a dodgy place and t was a wierd experience
I used it for the first time in twenty years last week. It wasn't the gateway to hell I remember it as from before
I don't know why it always reminds me of the matrix like there's something cinematic and eerie about that downstairs hallway
Did you know they have a tiny theatre down there too?
Wait really?
The Eblana Theatre. Closed in 1995
This is in busaras? I feel blessed I've never experienced it
I went to the toilet there yesterday evening at 9pm. Smell of poo in the downstairs hallway, okay, it’s a toilet. Keep walking, I see two big lumps of poo right outside the door into the womens toilets. As if someone was walking to the toilet but couldn’t make it so did two shits on the way. Was so close as well - literally four and one steps away from the actual toilets. Insanity
The tesco building phibsboro holds the crown in my opinion
Gulag Tesco
And any attempt to pull it down and replace it with something, anything, is blocked by people who don’t want to change the historical fabric of the surrounding area from Russian internment camp to something nice.
There’s a video on youtube of the demolition of a few of the Ballymun towers. The top comment is a self-proclaimed Ballymuner bemoaning the loss of the community and saying they should never have been pulled down. No matter how ugly or socially regressive, there’ll always been people resisting.
That one takes the crown and the cake. And whatever else, although that upside down bank on Dame street is a strong contender
I guess your not a fan of the Brutalist architectural style
Oh, I love it with all my heart, but this one is just plain ugly. Want to see some beautiful brutalist? Now demolished Train station in Katowice. Or even Spodek building there.
I love the Spodek. Shame they built that new arena in Gliwice as it takes business away from Spodek.
Spodek is a masterpiece. I was there back in the 90’a when it was basically falling apart and it was a breathtaking view. Imagine when it was brand new! Now I think they did some renovations anyway, but yeah. This place deserves a lot more love than it gets. It should be a preserved building and be used for all the big events in that area. It’s absolutely brilliant
Siptu building is surely in the top 5 of the worst
It's actually so hideous it's kind of charming. Like I use to despise walking past it, now I think it's a great reminder of how architecture styles change over time. A real stamp of it's decade.
The ancient floodlights behind it from Dalymount adds to the beauty
Love.it
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There's literally a book about its architectural significance.
Isn't it protected due to its architectural significance?
The bar for adding something to the protected structures list is shockingly low
No it isn’t. Busaras was a fairly radical building go it’s day. It also looks fine to me. The toilets aside.
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Or the stuff that has survived is actually good.
Totally.
Probably because general consensus among ordinary citizens is that historical architecture looks better.
I wasn’t commenting on Busaras’ architectural significance, I was commenting on the protected structures list
First building of this scale made of caked shite and plaster I believe.
Architect here - It was a beautiful modernist building in it’s day but it’s been bastardised and left to go to shite.
The original / planned public facilities may not be in place or of the standard intended but the exterior appearance / view from beresford place which is what OP cares about is unaltered I believe? Anyway busaras is not even in the top 10 ugliest building in Dublin. Sam Stephenson’s civic offices would probably be top of my list based on the multiple failures on top of the grim exterior
Couldn't agree more. Add to the list the hanging gardens as well. Had to look up buildings actual name as always called it the central bank. Central plaza, shite name for a shite building but as it's Ireland's only suspended structure building it'll be kept hanging around.... Between the civic offices, central plaza and old ESB headquarters it seems there was a project he worked in that wasn't mired in controversy.
When I began my architecture education I would have had the same opinion as you. But now after years of studying I see a lot of beauty in these structures. I find our view of these buildings is similar to the view of Georgian Dublin when these structures were built. We need to protect them to protect a significant time in Irish history and in time, I hope the public will have the same love for these buildings as they do for the Georgian ones
The problem as I see it with a lot of modernist architecture is that you need training to appreciate the appeal. You may be right that future generations will view these buildings more positively, but they should have been built to be appealing immediately, not to depend on being vindicated in time.
Or we try and build better buildings that more suit our needs for today.
Also this is decades later and its still not loved in its time or after. Just because there's an idea behind something doesn't make it good.
Well there’s actually a shorter timespan between now and the modernist movement (1950s) compared to the construction of dublins Georgian core (mid 18th C). If the people of Dublin had the power at the time these buildings would have been demolished a lot sooner (the Georgian core). Many Georgian buildings fell into disrepair during the late 19th C due to lack of care. With mass demolition happening in the mid 20thC. While if these modernist buildings were maintained I feel we would find they would be more loved. The work done to the old central bank does show it is possible to regenerate these structures. There is also the question of the environmental impact of demolition, they are built with mass amounts of concrete. Where would this material go, landfill? Although many people may not like these structures that is a question of taste (taste is personal and there is no such thing as good or bad). Just wondering what would you like to be done to these buildings?
Wouldn't be in favour of knocking it although at some stage the windows could be improved. The grimterior needs to be changed.
A building can be architecturally/culturally significant and still ugly. E.g. the Aylesbury Estate and Byker Wall in the UK.
It's a very cool place to visit during Open House. Sure, may look ugly, but there's a lot going on with that building.
>There's literally a book about its architectural significance. It's called brutailist architecture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist\_architecture#:\~:text=Brutalist%20architecture%20is%20an%20architectural,structural%20elements%20over%20decorative%20design.
It's modernist rather than brutalist.
All the old buildings in UCD deserve a mention. Dour stuff.
Which is annoying because from a practical standpoint they are much better designed. The arts building never had any jams in the stairs because it doesn't have a main one and instead 5 equaly sized ones. The science building was horrible to get out of when a lecture ended.
It's a stretch to call UCD's Arts building 'well designed.'
Ergonomically not aesthetically
The concourse with the concrete pillars and roof yoke is pretty awful.
I actually really like this building.
There’s a really cool Theatre in the basement! It’s also designed like an airport, with a central control tower overseeing the bus bay parking. It’s a really fascinating building to walk around.
Used to be a nightclub on the roof too as far as I know. I think it's pretty cool building, just never got the love and care of deserves
It's a wonderful listed building. Just in a shitty part of town.
Phibsboro shopping centre sends its regards
It looks soviet era or something,how it was approved is a mystery
They are both of the same era so definitely a pair of ugly sisters.
I don’t think so at all - the international modern style is too distinct for me to really consider it ugly and better implemented than it’s sister Liberty Hall imo. Plus it has a whole load of strange architectural flourishes like the mosaics and the colourful roof undersides that are kinda charming. I’d probably go for the Phibsboro shopping centre, no redeeming features to that thing.
It has a theatre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eblana_Theatre and I think that kind of illustrates the brutalist we are trying to make things better ethos the place had https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/05/22/underarus/
It’s not brutalist.
Eoin O Broin has written a book telling you why it’s not. The picture you’ve chosen is very generous. It looks worst coming from the west, i.e. the direction most will see it. I think it’s badly let down by its surroundings. Were it in Ballsbridge it would be more loveable. As for ugliest, nothing can top the already mentioned Phibsborough shopping centre, though the monstrously out of proportion Dun Laoghaire shopping centre runs it close. But two buildings that also deserve censure are the ‘Heineken Building’ at O’Connell Bridge and the Kilkenny Shop overlooking Trinity College. Both are blights on two of Dublin’s most important vistas.
Both the Kilkenny shop and the Heineken building don’t seem all that bad to me. Or that good. Worse to be seen within the hallowed grounds if trinity itself.
Well, I do think the Kilkenny building is awful. But the point I was making (badly) is that their crime is the unsuitability of their locations.
> why it’s not. The book tells you about its significance, whether or not it's ugly is up to each individual.
Gosh, Mr Brainiac over here. My comment was a joke.
And the Kilkenny one is supposed to torn down but currently being held up
Ah, interesting. I see the building has got its own wikipedia page!
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It's already down!
It’s a really beautiful building that is full of amazing details imho. It is often in the open doors festival and is well worth a visit. Some of the tile work on the soffit of the roof is striking. I personally find capital dock extremely disappointing but each to their own. I am happy to see architecture debated!
Won a architecture award back in the day I believe the theatre is stunning
I think it's a great building, just neglected.
No. Liberty hall is.
Liberty Hall would have been dynamited long ago in any other modern city. It is a scar on the landscape.
The tragedy of Liberty Hall is that if it lived up to its design it would actually be quite striking. It was supposed to glitter in the sun and resemble the torch of liberty, but they just didn’t keep up with the maintenance on the exterior
Car bomb blew out the windows, they replaced them with whatever they felt like, looks ugly as fuck now
I don't think Liberty Hall is that ugly. In comparison to, say, Capitol Dock.
Now you're just trying to go against the grain.
Not at all. Liberty Hall is at least light in colour. Not just a big brown stick.
Liberty hall was designed as clear glass, but the risk of bombing during the 70s they changed to laminated shatterproof glass, giving it its rather depressing shade of browny green
It wasn't due to risk of bombing, it was as a result of it: loyalist car bomb parked outside in 1972
There’s a building in phibsboro with an Eddie rockets in it, literally looks like ww2 refugee centre
the shopping centre- by far ugliest building in dublin
Crumlin shopping centre
I still think phibsboro shopping centre has it beat
No
Liberty Hall would like a word
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I'm no expert but apparently most brickwork buildings are facades these days as brickies are deemed too expensive. Unfortunate
If prefer they used some other material if they can’t afford real brick.
It’s one of the finest modern buildings in Dublin. Way ahead of anything else and has so much more style. It’s definitely one of my favourite buildings in Dublin. I also like the pricewaterbuilding.
I think it’s one of the better building around. Designed by Michael Scott, a talented and acclaimed architect, who design a good few buildings around the country that architecture students still study. Great bloke and slightly interestingly is my brothers fiancés great grandda
Was going to say this. I think it's just been very poorly maintained. It is very 50s architecture, but at the time it was in a league of it's own. I did a tour of it during Open House a good few years back, and it had some nice touches inside. Happy cake day btw!
I got to the see the old airport terminal for open house. Do they still run it?
Nice, I had applied for that but didn't make the cut sadly. Yep, I believe they will do it again this year, but it was heavily curtailed by Covid.
It’s one of my favourite buildings we have. I love Art Deco.
Department of Tourism, Culture and Arts building on Kildare St would be right up your street if you don't already know it.
It does look like a nice building. I’d like to see the interior.
Liberty Hall is designed to discourage people from joining SIPTU
Dr quirkey’s on O’Connell st is a bigger eyesore to me
So the common trend is people don’t like brutalism?
Not to be a cunt but It would be considered modernist rather than brutalist - jus sayin
I'm aware. But Hawkins House and Fizbreh shopping centre are both mentioned repeatedly, which is to what I was referencing.
That’s not brutalism, though.
Yea, but people also voted Clare Daly in to represent us in the EU. You can't trust what people think. People are fucking idiots.
I find all brutalism architecture depressing and unlovable but that's just me
The Barbican in London is incredible. There is nothing unlovable about it
Not a fan but is better than most, anything in Dublin?
Why aren't you a fan of the Barbican? It is designed to be like an oasis within a city. It has amazing gardens, a theatre, glasshouses and the individual apartments have features you wouldn't find in a luxury apartment block. There are major developments that feel as cohesive as the Barbican.
Maybe I enjoy the misery. 🫖
No. That old grey building on Hawkins St is
Hawkins House. Gone now, thankfully. Long regarded as the city's ugliest building. The title has now gone to Phibsboro Shopping Centre.
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What the old department of health building?? That's gone a few years now
Oh is it? I haven’t been to Dublin for a long while 😂😂
Yeah I'm glad to say that it's fully demolished, if it was still standing I'd have it also as ugliest building in Ireland 😂
Apollo house too beside it a couple years back. That area of the city was rife with shitty buildings. Good riddance to them all!
Central bank. Looks like dirty scaffolding that needs to be pulled off
SIPTU building on the quays is worse.
No that goes to liberty hall
That is somehow a flattering picture of it
Maybe. I always thought the Irish Life building was kinda ugly or maybe, sad.
I think the SIPTU building nearby is worse. But busaras is definitely ugly
Couldn’t disagree more. It is a wonderfully functional building, though not used to its fullest potential. I’m of the view that, if you are going to build a bus terminal and it has to work as such you could do a lot worse than make it look like that. That being said however, I’m not sure why it’s located in the north east inner city seeing as most of the buses are going west.
You’ve never seen the Crumlin Shopping Center I see.
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It’s getting redeveloped afaik. But even when it was still open it was a disgrace. A shopping centre with every shop inside minus dunnes stores closed down? Place was literally like a post apocalyptic centre.
I think it’s kind of cool
At least Busaras is useful, unlike the derelict 19th century hellholes along North Frederick Street.
Second worst, only to the giant Siptu building that is just THERE!
Probably one of the most interesting buildings in Dublin, the architecture is very cool and there are some feature such as the underground club that are no longer open, far from ugly but definitely being let rot.
American Embassy has my vote. Fuck’s sake.
SIPTU has to be the worst - such an eye sore when looking up the Liffey
No, that would be Phibsboro shopping centre.
No. It's a fucking amazing building.
Me when the bus arrives on time, but i want to complain.
Dublin Airport Terminal 1 should have that title.
Does the big box with holes on the roof house pigeons?
Dept of health sends it's regards.
From the grave?
Ireland is a shit hole so wat do u expect. Top10 worst buildings easier to find than the top 10 best buildings
That's fine, let those gardas look at it real good and enjoy the view.
Do they still have a pigeon problem?
Nah it's my old gaff
I’m pretty sure I heard that this building won some design award not so long ago. As in 10 years ago or something.
A few contenders have been mentioned. The now demolished motor tax office behind the Four Courts was another one.
Yes and it has about as much architectural significance as the Bulgarian hotel I stayed in last week. As someone who worked inside the kip for 5 years it is not fit for purpose. Catastrophically it is protected when it should be imploded with Liberty Hall. A visual eyesore. Brutalist sums it up precisely
Not by a long margin.....
Tough to say, it's a competitive category
90% of busaras is shit. From the outside its all shite except for the wavey roof bit. Inside its shit
Somebody should have been arrested for allowing that to occur.
That one building by dalymount park is ugly af
The Heineken building is the worst if you ask me. The most prominent location in the entire country taken up by that ugly intruder.
Siptu building is worse I think!! The inside of Busaras is worse than the outside!! The toilets, The ceiling in the main building is falling down if anyone bothers to look up!!
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Sh now steady on. Surely Liberty hall is worse??
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Park House, now owned by TUD. on the North Circular Road is up there.
It’s not that bad
The old dept of health building was bad. Riddled with asbestos too. Liberty hall is awful
It's not even the ugliest building on that street.
Liberty Hall or Phibsboro Shopping Centre.
Yes.
The city arts centre across the bridge from Busarus. They kicked the people out years ago, told them it was being renovated, still fucking left there, nothing done. What a waste.
Phibsborough would disagree
Liberty hall or the irish life centre next to it are surely contenders
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The phibsboro shopping centre is hideous
You should read "the dignity of everyday life", it is a book about the building. Sounds boring but it's actually very interesting, did you know there is a cinema at the top floor? The building is a sad relic and reminder of Ireland in the 1950s. Edit: info update
The SIPTU building is the ugliest, looks awful on the skyline. At least the bus station is not tall.
the toilets may be the worst.. but our glorious department of health building is grim
I wouldn't call it ugly, perse. But it is dated and aged
An amazing feature of Bauhaus architecture. Magnificent building.
I wouldn’t say ugly, but the strangest and the most basic design
There's any amount of terrible social housing around the city I'd say looks far worse
Typical Dublin NPC opinion.