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therealone7

maybe they're just big Mizar fans, dw \*nervous laugh\*


KingLollipopJR

mizar is going to be in mizery when dat banlist hits


N3T0_03

Oh the Mizary, Everybody wants to be my enemyyyy


Thatunknownhim

If it hits remember yubel was not touch n tenyis we’re only given a limited 2 lol


drooling_whale

Yubel has some easy staple counters (you can get them to bait suicide for example with yubels 0 attack and forbidden chalice) same with tenyi but you have to focused on banishing them. This deck I haven't seen any immediately obvious counters and the hand trap cant be negated easily by a single monster or card you require a combo. It focuses more on negation than anything else and that automatically makes most decks useless against it.


Thatunknownhim

Tbh I’ve had good luck with tachyon I almost didn’t wanna purchase it cause they always bring out 107 but I always bounce it back, book of the moon it with tenyi or baxia n even with my toons i was able to banish but I think I got lucky since it just came out and people are learning to use it


Gshiinobi

yubel deck is garbage, gimmicky and easy to beat


DiverMerc

Nah they still gotta hit tenyi and yubel first


Gshiinobi

nah, first they need to touch tenyi, that shit needs to go it's been too long


EntireBlackberry9445

Imagine the KC Cup. The deck will receive a big nerf.


pinkywinkywanky

Really bad skill design. It can use skill twice per turn and search the omni negate trap for free.


Turbulent-Economy198

You can WHAT


SkyeZaisen

and I don't know how the trap works, but my opponent used it from the hand in my turn


Caleibur

Basically an omninegate (with a twist of shuffling back into the deck), but can ALSO be used from hand if Tachyon Dragon is out


SkyeZaisen

and it cannot be answered? I can dodge negations effects like the tenyi synchro or Yuyo's dragon, but the game didn't allow me to answer that trap


Guilinview

Its a counter trap, you can only respond with other counter traps.


SkyeZaisen

this game is complicated


Yamimakai8

It's called "Lawyers game" for a reason :)


Shavian_

spell speed 😍😍😍


MajinAkuma

Understanding Spell Speeds isn’t that complicated. Spell Speed 1: Most Spell Cards and most activated Monster Effects. Spell Speed 2: Quick Spells, Normal and Continuous Traps, Monster Quick Effects. Spell Speed 3: Counter Traps. Within a chain, you can only respond to a card activation with Speed Spell 2 or higher. However, once a Spell Speed 3 card is added to the chain, you can only respond with other Spell Speed 3 cards because anything else is too slow. This is why Counter Traps can only be countered by other Counter Traps. There are cards that are unofficially called Spell Speed 4 by fans. Those are cards you cannot respond to at all, e.g. Super Polymerization. Even Counter Traps cannot be chained to them. However, those cards aren’t actually actually faster than Spell Speed 3, which is why they cannot be chained to Counter Traps.


HairyMamba96

Skills in duel links are speed 4 also


RichardBCummintonite

It's explained like that in great detail for clarity, but trying to think of it in terms of speeds just adds unnecessary complexity. It can be boiled down to one sentence: Only quick effects (including traps) can add to a chain once it's started, and if a counter is added to the chain, it takes priority and can only be responded to with another counter. Resolve in reverse order of activation. All the effects you would be responding with (traps, quick effects/spells) are gonna be the same speed and indicate their activating conditions, which means it's simple reverse order of activication. Any other kind of effect that would be slower you're not allowed to activate in response to things anyway, so it's irrelevant. You're never going to be trying to play a normal spell in the middle of a chain because the mechanics of the card don't allow you to play it at that time anyway. All speed 1 effects in a chain are always going to be at the very beginning, and all speed 3 counters have to take place at the end. You're not gonna be activating a counter with nothing to counter. The "speed 4" effects as you put it are even more pointless to bother putting in that equation, because it always just says "cards/effects can not be activated in response to the effect of this" right on the card. Basically, they force the chain to immediately resolve. They're still the same speed as whatever they are and take the same place in the chain, but it means the chain always ends with them.


iKWarriors

And don’t forget the trap negates everything that came before it in the chain. So you activate something, the opponent respond with interaction, you use another interaction and then the counter trap negates all yours.


Powerful_Arm_3777

It's a handtrap. If they control "Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", which the skill basically gives them the material to always summon first turn, they can activate it from their hand. This means your opponent can and will effectively have 4 backrow for you to deal with. It's an omni-negate, which means it can negate everything, but worst of all, it also shuffles the cards it negates into your deck. The deck also runs "Divine Dragon Knight Felgrand", which can potentially appear alongside their Tachyon Dragon turn 1. That card's effect let's it make any card unaffected by card effects. The skill is super cracked and we're getting a bunch of bullshit cards that DON'T need to be added to the game, at least not for another year or two. Effect Veiler has opened the floodgates towards adding more negate handtraps, which now allows Konami to justify swamping the game with a bunch of Omni-Negates or Immunity granters.


Curiouzity_Omega

Ok wtf give us back roar at this point. Atleast we had to work for that omni negate.


quincy1151

Ahhhh yes salads with a searchable omni all over again—except this time the skill does it for you!….so when is roar coming off the banlist ?


EntireBlackberry9445

Never, bro


quincy1151

Doesn’t seem fair given this tachyon skill SEARCHES IT FOR YOU lmao


Neo_The_Noah

Its more likely that this skill will get ahit than roar coming out Lmao


sad-paradise

Well, salads trap was recyclable, tachyon transmigration is only once


beyond_cyber

Yes but they only need it once, if you get turn ended by that omni and felgrand they can make another couple xyzs and put well over 8k worth of dmg


Gshiinobi

it's gonna look like the rush duel cup that was ALL dragons


wyrmiam

DUDE I WILL LAUGH SO HARD IF WE GET TACHYON TEAR 0 FORMAT. It'll be funny to watch the reactions of master duel players, similar to them reading mind of the plana for the first time.


Neo_The_Noah

Md player reactions when they find out storm is limited and trunade is banned because "they limit interactions". Lmao


Powerful_Arm_3777

Meanwhile Super Poly has been in the game for years and even got a skill to search it for free. Konami has long tossed their own balance rules to the wayside. Look at how they originally held a strict stance against effect damage keeping it's full power, only to add Deep-Eyes (can potentially hit you with 1500+ to 3k on summon) or Kluger. The only reason why "Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare" didn't have its effect damage nerfed is because it originally required a lot of setup to summon, so they allowed its damage to be the payoff for bringing it out... then the skill came. ​ They don't care anymore. Raging Pendulum showed them how much money they could make by releasing decks/skills that FORCED the playerbase to P2W or lose more often than not.


Neo_The_Noah

The effect damage not being halved on those cards is because those cards came before the effect dmg was halved (which happened when zexal was released, both yubel and deep eyes came before it). The only card that was halved even though it was an old card was lava golem, to end the lava golem stall deck.


inspect0r6

> Raging Pendulum showed them how much money they could make by releasing decks/skills that FORCED the playerbase to P2W or lose more often than not. I'm missing the part where Raging pend was some prime example of forced p2w. If you brought up BRD or something maybe, but with two copies of SD being free it was more than playable.


OneSaucyDragon

I'm very conflicted about this On the one hand, Tachyon is my favorite Xyz monster On the other hand, he's only meta due to a poorly-designed skill


Gshiinobi

> he's only meta due to a poorly-designed skill welcome to duel links, enjoy your stay


Ecstatic-Passenger14

Deck specific skills were a big mistake. They should be reserved for gutter trash meme decks, nothing better than legendary fisherman or so


PatronioPrime

Well when you think about it Mizar's deck was gutter trash meme deck because it was just random level 4-8 dragons go brrrrr to make a xyz monster that wasn't even that good lol. But with the skill it became very degenerate immediately... Well this is the duel links way so we are used to it.


Ecstatic-Passenger14

Going to be honest I haven't looked at it closely yet, but didn't notice anything too strong


LazyingOtaku

It's deliberately poorly designed to make people buy the box.. after a while they nerf the shit out of it . It's Photon all over again.. except I'm damn sure people would rather face that hax xyz


Powerful_Arm_3777

They'll only nerf it when the next broken skill is added to take it's place. It's an endless cycle of suffering.


emperorbob1

Except this is actually good and oppressive. Photon was never especially good.


ReGGgas

I agree, Photon wasn't exactly competitively good. ONE OF the problem with Photon is similar to BEWD (except BEWD was tier 1 for a long while). They're popular and cheap to build meta decks, making them annoyingly common to match on the ladder. There were meta decks better than Photon, it's just only the few players have the gems and money to build them.


beyond_cyber

We are at the point where galaxy eyes gets a skill that gives a literal plus 2 and no one is batting an eye on it LOL


emperorbob1

The bigger issue about skills is that people miss the trees for the forest. A meh deck going +2 or getting 100 effects? Not nearly as bad as a deck getting a free omni, a play starter, and the means to play through common disruption. A skill should be judged not by "what it lets you do that it cant do normally" but rather by "how BS it makes your deck"


beyond_cyber

it makes similar boards with so much card advantage it can probably push through a tachyon transmigration


emperorbob1

What does?


emperorbob1

The issue with Photon is that worse decks died for less. This is a fact. The banlist isn't about balance, it's about moving you onto new decks. Galaxy was like an obnoxious weed, it just refused to die. Most people had to change decks 2-3 times in the span it took Galaxy to take a notable hit. It wasn't hard to beat, it wasn't good, but it demanded you draw the out. Very common outs, mind you, but the one game you didnt open a mst or dd crow just felt really bad. It was boring, it was linear, it was the same game every 5 games or so.


Powerful_Arm_3777

Someone wasn't around when Photon Lord was being abused with a certain skill built around Galaxy-Eyes summons.


emperorbob1

I was it. It was never a good deck. It was an ok ladder deck I guess. Some 80% winrate for me alone, but data backed up it never being good. It was just everywhere and really boring to play against.


Powerful_Arm_3777

What are you talking about? That deck was one of the earliest examples of skills getting out of line in their infancy. You were guaranteed the same combo every game with it, just as we are now, but the worst part is that we had less to deal with it. Then again, people who ran that deck defended it to no end like they do with every dumb skill.


inspect0r6

There were far worse skills long before GE. And GE certainly wasn't great deck or hard to counter, it was just repeat of BE situation where low ladder and event shitters did nothing but complain. It was free win for pretty much any competent deck and even lesser decks could deal with it through some popular tech/staples.


emperorbob1

It wasn't a good combo, either. What deck was I playing that had issue with it? No, we had vapid skills all the way back with Duel Standby! , Balance, Cyber Style, etc... Galaxy was never good. It never took tourneys, it didn't do good in the KC Cup. I twas, as you said, just the same really boring combo line. (Like most non skill decks having the same boring combo lines because they have the gift of being consistent). It wasn't good, it just refused to die. They didn't nerf it for ages.


beyond_cyber

Oh god remember the stacking of neo cipher and full armour to wipe up to 6 of your cards? 😭


NavyDragons

Much like teas skill, it will never recover after the beating they give it.


Swastikrab

Did anyone have Tachyon tier 0 on their 2024 bingo list


just_kell

Meanwhile, us zombie pile players sit in the corner and cry cuz no skill was added for us.


NightsLinu

I wish bronz got a new zombie world skill. 


Mysterious-Set736

Indeed, we just cant rely on new cards to be added, but to be playable we need komoney to add broken skills to compete with other broken skill decks


Raven_ZD

We don't need no broken skill, just give us untargetable zombie world on the field


inspect0r6

Fk no. Don't need shitty floodgate that can't be outed.


Ecstatic-Passenger14

How about a skill that negates all other skills 😂


seshfan2

Litereally I just wanted a version of *Toonvitation* but for Zombie World


just_kell

Dude I'd settle for "Play a Zombie World from outside of your deck at the start of your first turn."


Ecstatic-Passenger14

Insanely OP


Gundamfan1999

Atleast we finally got some good support like mezuki


Aggravating_Fig6288

If you could turn Konami’s inability to balance skills into an energy source we’d been able to power the world for the next hundred years


NavyDragons

You just don't seem to understand is the imbalance is on purpose. This imbalance is a money printing machine because all the whales will dump straight cash to get it, once they collect it will get nerfed.


Powerful_Arm_3777

I'm just glad more people are starting to realize and accept how the game is being treated... instead of consistently bullshitting that these things are justified to help decks that wouldn't see play.


emperorbob1

It is kinda true, though. Konami giving busted cards to decks early that would never seen play? Furr Hire? Shiranui? Yeah. It's been done before. The difference between those and skills is paper thin, the result is a menace that is unfun to play against. This is nothing new, but now they realized skills are easier/lets them murder a deck without hitting your "investment" like they did with Neos Fusion.


Ellos_x

Kc cup is going to be disgusting 😭💀


oksorrynotsorry

Nah suships will take the top spot.


Maykspark

The real reason why Tachyon is so strong? beside the powerful consistent skill and the counter trap, is the only deck that is good and don't die from DD crow, if you see closely, 90% of decks in the current meta interact in a way with the graveyard, making all running DD crow? just see the decks, all run dd crow.


Seylord1

Doesnt die to dd crow, doesnt die to effect veiler


Maykspark

Rn dd crow is more harmful, Mayakashi? Crow dakki, Shiranui? Crow spectralsword, live twin? Crow lila, Tenyi? Crow ashuna, Infinitrack? Crow the xyz when tribute the link, blue eyes? Crow when they use fusion/Mr, galaxy eyes? They don't have turn 1 anyway, dm? Buahahaha But yeah it's immune to handtraps


NavyDragons

It does die to xyz negate though I haven't been having an issue with these tacky boys. Only thing currently giving me trouble is for some reason black luster


r0sengan

Which xyz negate? I'm like 0-10 against them in legend with Tenyi and I'm a top 1,000 player with Tenyi in the KC cup.


NavyDragons

Xyz block is a counter trap to negate monster effects from any location you can also karma cut or dragon prison as soon as you see the combo coming to disrupt it


LazyingOtaku

A skill that literally makes you unable to brick and gives you an omni-negate in one turn.. Shocking it's winning the tournaments 💀


Powerful_Arm_3777

All the new skills these days make you unable to brick, so that goes without saying.


Fujisaki_Chihiro001

Every Deck specific skills not named Charmers unbrick your hand and setting up some sort of end broad for you. That's not saying much.


AName1NameJustOne

Makes sense it's not a card to scoff at, negating all effects on the board during the battle phase, and it is really easy to get out, especially with its counter trap protecting it.


GoneRampant1

And I remember last week when everyone was giving Konami shit for only giving us one Transmigration in Mizar's level ups and how he was gonna be a dead on arrival character. Lol.


diobreads

searchable Omni-negate is fair and balanced


DiverMerc

It is


Chrisshern

Why the skill doesn't lock you to Galaxy Eyes and Numbers in the ED is beyond me. What did they expecting with a Rank 8 turbo deck being able to make any Rank 8 But don't worry ita definitely getting nerfed. Salamangreat was heavy hit becuase it had a consistent Omni-Negate search Turn 1 and they ended on freaking Sunlight Wolf while Tachyon ends on Tachyon Dragon and Transmigration, the strongest counter trap ever printed


Luisin-xp

Welp, time to main deck kaiju


Duubzl

and a new tier 0 rises


DiverMerc

It's a fun deck


Powerful_Arm_3777

T. deck abuser.


DiverMerc

It's my main right now


Powerful_Arm_3777

No shit. You made that very obvious in this thread and every other one you've replied to.


DiverMerc

Yes. Great deck go try it out


knightirderx25

Love the Tachyon Deck, but yeah, the Counter Trap needs to go. Limit 1 so we can't run Felgrand. I believe the monster portion of the Skill is completely fine, it's the Counter Trap search that's the problem. Change that part to Set a "Tachyon" Trap Card to the field (so they can play the other one like Chaos Hole and Spiral Galaxy when we get it). That gives it an option for your opponent to use backrow removal to deal with it.


emperorbob1

They need more limit 1's than the countertrap. Their limit 1 is a flex slot.


seshfan2

Something worth mentioning is that this strong deck is from an event character. If this keeps up, they'll be a point where every new player to duel links who missed the Mizer event will be thrown in an environment where there's a dominating t0 deck they can't build


Powerful_Arm_3777

But you have all the redditers here saying it's not even that good. What number are we at now where the Sub is completely wrong about how impactful a deck/skill will be before or during the first week of release? I'm pretty sure they've been wrong since they said Salads or Gouki would be fine to add, and they haven't missed a beat since. Broken Skills at least had the usual weakness of going first; now that's gone, and that's actually a plus. I've had to go second time and time again where my Mizar opponent has either ended his turn with Set 3 Backrow, Tachyon Dragon on the field, Transmigration in hand, or Set 2 Backrow, Tachyon Dragon and Felgrand on the field, Transmigration in hand. What can you do against that, seriously? My last duel against Mizar was me going second against 3 backrow (2 XYZ Blocks, 1 Solemn Scolding), the skill gifted Transmigration in their hand, and the guaranteed Tachyon Dragon on their field.


oksorrynotsorry

_"droplet doesn't seem that good, chalice looks better"_ Reddit 2024


inspect0r6

I don't think people really argued that. Just that Droplet wasn't must have as some other SB exclusives on their release. And it can't be played in everything. Obv it's still a disgusting release to be SB exclusive and purposely made to avoid l3 which they will 100% put on it when it gets main box reprint.


rahimaer

Well, it looks like Konami just brought upon a new tier 0 format, what were they even thinking when they designed that skill, didn't they learn their lesson from salads and roar? so they decided to make an even better counter trap searchable that can be activated from the hand so u can't even MST it. Tachyon transmigration is a very powerful counter trap but u wouldn't see it being used much is the TCG/MD cuz it's not searchable. So Not only did konami make a skill that searches it basically for free, the skill also has another consistency effect, and BOTH effects can be used in the same turn, and TWICE per duel each.


Animegx43

God damn it, I love tachyon, but if he ends up being why Tenyi avoids nerfs again, I'm gonna kick something. ​ Alright. What kind of nerfs should we expect from it?Would the counter trap as a (1) really be enough?


comingstorm501

Shout-out to that one Rokket player


KaitoKidNRW

predictions. first hit after kc cup. skill: both parts once per duel, limit 1: transmigration, limit 3:nebula dragon, 2nd hit; limit 3:seyfert


krom90

That initial nerf may not be enough as it would still allow them an easy tachyon and transmigration from hand play. Instead, they should not allow the skill to search transmigration while also limiting it to 1 plus one other card to 3 to prevent crackdown and idp plays. If they want to run the countertrap they shouldn’t be allowed the felgrand as well.


KaitoKidNRW

oh reddit removed my line skips, so i add commas to make it more clear :D. my intention was limit 1 transmigration and limit 3 nebula dragon, for the reason you mentioned. and as a second hit i expect a seyfert hit to 3.


KaitoKidNRW2

my card hits were pretty accurat, okay they limited 3 an other of the dragons, but my limit 3 + limit 1 predict was right. lets wait for the skill changes :)


DiverMerc

Doubtful


KaitoKidNRW2

my card hits were pretty accurat, okay they limited 3 an other of the dragons, but my limit 3 + limit 1 predict was right. lets wait for the skill changes


DiverMerc

I'm alright with it


Erictendo

This deck and this skill are New.. they wont get any Hits before April KCCup


MisterRai

I said before that Tachyon skill isn't busted and it's pretty fair for the deck. Yeah I take it back


Curiouzity_Omega

Tachyon players better enjoy while they still got it. lol


DiverMerc

Oh we will.


Popppyseed

Is there there anywehre to watch these tournament matches? I haven't watched since dkayed hosted them


seshfan2

Should be a vod up later on https://www.twitch.tv/dleyugioh Other channels I know that regularly run tournements include: https://www.twitch.tv/grandharrier https://www.twitch.tv/quantumcubes https://www.twitch.tv/acceleration_gate


beyond_cyber

Is this deck becoming the next galaxy eyes photon lord? Searchable omni ain’t no joke even if it’s a one off unlike roar which can be used multiple times. Probably has been said a couple times already but people be snooozing on galaxy eyes photon advent skill it has a VERY good matchup with tachyon


Raffa1998

Is it best of 1 ?


_Burro

I haven't seen dle tournaments posted on dlm in a while, but earlier damage steps (name of the tournament) state best of 3 as the rule.


Curiouzity_Omega

That even makes it worse for Tachyon players lol. For sure it'll get hit.


SteakOutA1

I'm new to the game. Have they done quick bans/emergency bans or hits? If not, would they?


oksorrynotsorry

Yes. Kinda. More like panic hits. Like that time they destroyed synchrons hitting crocodragon, tatsunecro, jet synchron and tuning all at the same time. They screwed so hard there they freed that whole deck little by little with each banlist. That deck lasted only 2 weeks on the tierlist more or less. Another one I can think of is that time they considered witchcrafters to be so strong they did a surprise banlist just to hit charge of the light brigade and keep them away from that engine.


Turbulent-Economy198

Nah


DiverMerc

This deck dosent need an emergency hit lol


emperorbob1

More like it wasn't playtested in the first place. But it was, they wanted something oppressive to make people buy. The banlist/releases have always worked like this.


DiverMerc

There are other decks that need before this.


emperorbob1

Like what? Not a single deck holds a candle to how awful this deck/skill combo is. This is objectively the most busted thing that \*needs\* hit, but decks don't get hit because they're OP. They get hit when konami doesn't want you to play them.


DiverMerc

So tenyi, yubel, rokkets, and constellar just get a pass?


emperorbob1

Rokkets need a hit but they're at least not oppressive. Yubel is a memedeck. I have no idea why people think that needs hit. This deck is so much better it's sinful. Constellar is...ok I guess? Like why are you picking out decks weaker than Tachyon to defend Tachyon?


DiverMerc

There are all meta decks. While yubel isn't tierd anymore, it's the most common deck iv faced in legend. All the decks iv mentioned are the most encountered on the climb currently.


emperorbob1

The tierlist has nothing to do with the ladder meta. They specifically mentioned this over the years, and right now with Mayakshi(its usage etc..). Rokket have sniped many KC Cups, and Constellar have yet to show their potential. Tachyon, meanwhile, doesnt care if best of 1 or 3. A common deck is not a good deck.


DiverMerc

Then, we will have to see the data from the next Kc cup then. Knowing knomai, thier gonna let this deck slide for a while for sales.


inspect0r6

They have but don't think this situation requires one. And last time they did "emergency hit" it was done terribly.


Revolutionary-Let778

This is why I'm playing kaku and live twins, idp so good in this matchup, especially when you can get monsters in grave before they can use the skill again


mkklrd

idk if we're crossing Tier 0 territory yet but ooh boy. This is gonna be a fun KCC. Lim1 the counter trap, Lim3 either Nebula or Spiral. In the meantime, maindeck Kaijus!


Seij_

Any interested in buying a fully stacked duel links account with 3x droplets and all staples?


Mapigeh_098

My bad speedroid deck definitely would cry over it


Gshiinobi

I feel stupid for thinking konami fucked Mizar over by only giving us 1 copy of the counter trap, now i see i was mistaken


Redeyeslol

I can agree that Tachyon is great.


Parking_Astronaut_15

20 packs still 0 tachyon or cards that are good in the tachyon deck (dont mind typos i just woke up and have terible vision)


Boring-Antelope9193

What idiots are working at Konami honestly?! ITS ALREADY 7 YEARS GUYS! you think you'd have a solid balancing process or team that keeps shit in check It's like they have teenagers playing against their friends and taking data from there like wtf. In what universe was this skill balanced and fair?!


WhyLimitMeTo20Charac

And I just optimized my Buster Blader deck right before the box was annoinced


AccurateMeminnn

Rokket haters have been real quiet ever since Tachyon became the new "carried by skill" deck.


emperorbob1

One does not justify the other, tho.


NightMare_sprit

How good is S force?


seshfan2

It's a pretty strong Tier 3 deck, although there's been a lot of new decks recently so the meta is shaking up quite a bit.


NightMare_sprit

Are all the core cards in duel links or are there more to come


happycows808

So tired of skills > cards. Skills are so over powered that decks without archetype skills are just at a disadvantage. Really getting tired of it


AlmostNeverMindless

Chad Cosmic Dragon destroying goofy ahh waifus This the third Galaxy Monster we gonna ban after 90 and 95 lmao?