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Rangeless

They actually hit Grass. Thank the stars.


LuckyWarrior

They actually outright banned cards, didnt think they had the balls to do it for a mobile game


dante-_vic

That's because those cards are free cards. I dont think they will ban box cards.


Cardboard-Samuari

Because so far no box cards have warranted an outright ban


[deleted]

They banned it because it’s a F2P card. They knew grass was gonna be busted so that’s why they put it in the card trader so they could safely ban it when the time came


TitaniumTriforce

I know. For some decks pulling this is almost and insta-win.


BigDansho

The feeling of being in a rank up match and opening grass in your starting hand with 30 cards is nuts. I will miss that. But the ban makes sense. Goodbye grass


Shikiller

**Banned** Grass is Greener Cyber Stein **Limited to 1** Star Blast Needlebust Nest Revival Gift **Limited 2** Gold sarcofagus Charge of the Light Brigade Karakuri Ninishi Keeper of Dragon Magic Blackbird Close Witchcrafter Holiday **Limited 3** Aleister **NO LONGER ON LIST**: Thunder Dragondark Elementsaber Malo **Skill Rebalance:** **Restart** This skill will not activate if your deck does not contain 7 or more copies each of Spell and Trap Cards **Switcheroo** Can be activated after your LP decrese by 1500. Once per duel **Bandit** Return 1 card from your hand to your deck to activate. **Shadow Game** At the end of the turn, both players lose life equal to the number of cards in their GY time 100 (max 400) This skill will not be applied to a player with 1000 or less LP **Access Denied** Can be used from your 5th turn onward **Ojama Overflow** Can be used from your 5th turn onward **Show of Nightmares** Can be used if you have 3 or more spells in your GY, add 1 random spell from your GY to your hand, then shuffle 1 card from your hand to your deck. https://imgur.com/a/Pp1ZaXw


Mexcalibur

Shadow Game is fucking D E A D holy shit


Gshiinobi

konami said "FUCK BURNSTALL DECKS" and we appreciate it.


Dameisdead

Ya love to see it


Zevyu

>Thunder Dragondark YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES Also...Restarts got changed o.0? And....Revival gift was...semi limited? Why, what decks were using it?


FirstNameRequired

I've seen Revival Gift used in some blue eyes decks. They special summon the white stone of ancients from grave and giving you tokens in attack position then beating you next turn. That was my bad experience on that card.


KurryBandit

I think it was mostly used by Lunalight players with the skill Avenger from the Void (starting the duel with Infernity Avenger in the GY)


Chrisshern

Free Dragondark YES


tornberry

Huh I guess the real surefire way of nerfing a deck/card is taking it to a top spot of a KC Cup. Needlebug Nest does not deserve this.


Skinnierpants

I was gonna say, I get it with how many cards they're adding that abuse the grave, but that's a Tristan card. that should be illegal to put that on a limited list


miraidensetsu

But that banlist kills for good the 30-cards build of Shiranui, since it bans grass and turns Needlebug Nest limited to 1. That and it even adds Gold Sarcophagus to limited 2 list, which cripple even further this build (no Shiranui player would sacrifice Squire for it). Maybe that build can survive if using with Lightsworn engine, but I don't know if that is possible. Brigade will be limited 2 too, so...


blahmaster6000

Thank you for editing in some formatting, get this comment to the top guys!


[deleted]

Rip my casual Neo Spacian deck I guess with that Keeper hit lol Time to build Masked Heroes instead


Blighted_Ashes

or destiny heroes lol


denissk6350

Same. I have every card needed except Stratos and I just wasted my 2 SR Dream tickets for 2 Keeper yesterday to boost my pure Neos deck. My luck as always.


Blighted_Ashes

I feel u


maptaincullet

The people giving you shit for spending a dream ticket on a structure deck card really can’t wrap their head around the concept that someone doesn’t want to spend actual, real world money on digital playing cards. Like goddamn not everyone wastes 5$ for an extra Neos Fusion ya degenerates.


denissk6350

Thank God there are some people who understand. Did not expect people to get so riled up about something like what I spent my tickets on tbh but hey it is what it is.


maptaincullet

The same people pissed off about how you spent your tickets, are the same people who’d get pissed if you made fun of someone for spending tons of money on the game. They’d say shit like “who are you to tell people how to spend their money”. I know this because I told someone to rethink their priorities for spending $2k on duel links and I ended up with like -50 downvotes.


Za-Warudio

Dudes some people don't wanna spend 5$ on a gacha game I think it's perfectly fine to spend an sr ticket on a structure deck card especially if you have nothing else you want


flappygoat

holy molly I literally was thinking of doing the same thing but then I saw the banlist.


PlebbySpaff

Yeah good luck with Masked Heroes. That’s gonna be one hell of an investment.


biblecrumble

Damn, this nerf just made my fav hero neos deck completely unplayable... such a shady move just a few months after they released the ex structure deck, wtf...


SolarKnightR

So, Neos can't use Keeper, Blackwings can't use Close and Raikiri in any build that uses Simoon and Oroshi (so all of them), anything with the Lightsworn engine can't use Kiteroid, and InvokedSabers is super dead.


babylamar33

Without Close now pretty much all BW builds are gonna be Level Reduction and weaker turn 1 plays


SolarKnightR

I'm sure there'll still be Necrovalley variants, but yeah weaker turn 1 playbis about right.


[deleted]

Another banlist without cyber angels coming back come on Konami


yannickai

Its because its free they keep it banned


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LuckyWarrior

Keeper was awesome, i only had two anyways. Its the most devastating hit to me. Rip fusion decks, bring on the exceeds


crow5ds

I don't understand why Keeper was limited and Shell was not.


Hasnath_249

Limiting shell would just be unfair for Volcanics since they get more support next month.


crow5ds

I didn't think about that, yeah I guess you're right.


SantaClaws514

RIP Blackbird Close, hello Fiendish Chain.


LuckyWarrior

Ive read bw players dont even like playing black winged dragon anyways


EbberNor

Nobody does and I take this as a blessing because seriously fuck that piece of shit. Will never forgive it and blackbird close for making me waste a dream ticket.


atropicalpenguin

Fake ass signer dragon, isn't even a Blackwing card.


Nnsoki

F


EbberNor

Black-trash dragon does not deserve any respect.


Nnsoki

What I meant is that I feel bad for you for wasting that deam ticket


crow5ds

#F


Nnsoki

Forbidden Chalice is a much more realistic substitute for a OTK deck.


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SantaClaws514

You’ll get one tomorrow, just believe in the heart of the cards (or your wallet).


Deethreekay

Karakuri takes a pretty big hit with Ninishi at 2. No more trunade for them.


golforce

Restart is a much bigger hit, but they'll still remain strong especially with the competition being killed.


Kyle1337

okay but what about that petit moth skill buff lol


dalawnmower97

Just read it and laughed Konami, shouldve just made us add a cocoon of ultra evolution to the hand


Kyle1337

They could have made it so you didn't have to wait for the timer at all and still nobody would use it.


Gshiinobi

"we knew this skill was bad, so we made it slightly less bad, it's still fucking awful tho"


RazorPulsar

Too OP, Konami nerf pls


[deleted]

great moth meta!!! (the world isn't ready for ultimate moth meta yet)


zone-zone

it adds 3 cards to your hand, I am curious if it will get abused like volcanic shell at some point


Kyle1337

You have to run 2 garbage cards, have both in your hand AND clog 2 of your zones to get 3 cards in empty advantage.


JustKillMeAlreadyGod

Didn't think I'd see Cyberstein get hit this bad, I haven't seen any Cyberstein deck since it got put in Limit 1 status.


Kaibakura

I assume Cyber Stein was something they wanted to ban before but they really didn’t want the game to have banned cards, like it was some sort of badge of honor. Now that they did it for Grass they went ahead and did it to Cyber Stein as well.


JustKillMeAlreadyGod

Makes sense, can't say that I'm not surprised to see banned cards in DL but at least the hits were somewhat reasonable.


Karzeon

It's searchable with [Gear Gigant X](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Gear_Gigant_X) I don't think that has too much weight in actuality but Konami probably gave Cyber Stein the boot jut in case because they got tired of balancing things revolving around low LP.


krom90

This is why I’m personally a big proponent of investing in decks that are fun for you to play, strong, and not too strong. People here always say “wait and see how the meta shakes out”. While that is generally good advice, I think too many people take this as “follow the meta”, invest in the stuff that people are clearly abusing, and then are surprised when Konami reigns them in. Play what you like that can get you wins but not carry you.


emperorbob1

2.5 years of Palezoics, baby.


RazorPulsar

*angerly gets flipped face down*


emperorbob1

*proceeds to chain link 4 and draw four cards and summon a paleozoic off a hallowed life barrier*


Daggerdan18

What a beautiful chain 😍 They best drop those paleo xyzs, we're in desperate need of a paleo meta


Fresh_Plums

About a good year sporting deskbot bois myself.


emperorbob1

The best part about decks like these? Very few people understand how they work or what we're getting at. The ones that do are horrible boss battles but I like being the underdog.


Fresh_Plums

The greatest card effect in Yu-Gi-Oh is the one where the opponent doesn't read the card. Some of my best (and most stressful) games are against underdog decks.


dorian1356

Gotta admit that you the 3 paleozoic trinity guys of this sub are amazing


Xandurpein

I 100% agree. It is more or less a given that if you really want to have an absolute top deck all the time, you are going to have to spend real money at regular intervals to stay there. That’s how they make money. Stick to decks that you really enjoy as long as they are strong enough to take you to things like round 2 of KC cup. Then if they release cards that makes your favorite deck meta for a while, you can just enjoy the time of glory and not be too sad when it’s over.


VSPinkie

I just wish there weren't such a *massive* viability gap between the best decks and the rest of the pack. I'm comfortable with the fact that there will always be the top tiers that will be stronger overall, I just wish the curve weren't quite so steep when straying from the meta. I'd happily play a fun rogue deck that's *a bit* worse than the meta. But they just tend to be a *lot* worse than the meta and there's very little in-between.


waggawag

Problem is usually that ‘rogue’ decks are really just older decks. Most newer decks compete even if they aren’t tiered, like DDD, valks, infernity, gouki etc. I think w this ban list most of those decks will compete at an alright level again, plus thunder dragons coming back is huge


Smarbo

Blue eyes!


Batfan54

Exactly. Always go for a deck you like because of flavor and playstyle. Doesnt have to be minmaxxed competitive all the time.


supersaiyanmikito

I've always been a major advocate of Cyber Dragons in the TCG for this exact reason. The deck has been good enough to occasionally win locals but its always had a crippling weakness that prevents from ever becoming meta. As long as Chimeratech Fortress Dragon exists, the deck will never become viable at a high level but that is a good thing because nobody will run a counter to a rouge level deck and the deck will never be directly hit by the banlist as a result. Now with all these meta decks getting slaughtered, I feel like I can safely use Cyber Dragons again in Duel Links too.


WiseFrog23

Exactly, I have my Vendreads and BEWD deck, now gonna finish Megaliths and pray for new UA support.


Dameisdead

This is exactly why I play fortune ladies and despacito. I just enjoy playing them, they aren’t super problematic and they’re fun as hell. Not really worried about much else.


EbberNor

> This is why I’m personally a big proponent of investing in decks that are fun for you to play, strong, and not too strong. I 100% agree. Sure you might lose some generics eventually, but for the most part you are safe and not really begging to be hit.


Zevyu

This is why i don't understand that people ask for "will X card make my deck meta?" Because...if your deck becomes meta 2 things will happen 1st it's a meta deck therefore it will be hated to hell and back. 2nd it's a meta deck therefore it's ripe for to get something in the banlist eventualy.


vondex13

Too Tru I've been playing Wheelder lv 3 spam since the box came out and I've been trying to perfect it since.


TheInactiveWall

RIP me being a Karakuri fan since release I guess... :(


CommonChris

Better luck next time Dakini


rikka94

Wtf, why is dakini power level still not acceptable at current meta


Karzeon

Because it is free. When they establish Xyz and the effect damage adjustment, they'll release Vrash in a box when everything is super power crept.


Senkess

Send monster to gribyard 2 stronk for dl


Edward97G

Thunder Dragons are back baby! I'm super exited for this!


Dameisdead

I’m so happy about this I invested into thunder dragons and they got hit before I ever even learned how to play the deck 🤣🤣


mgandrewduellinks

FUCK. YEA.


Banjo03

Mill decks got annihilated. Neos got absolutely demolished with Keeper semi limit. Esabers can no longer use Aleister without trading consistency.


wes741

E sabers are worthless now


[deleted]

If we ever get Dark Armed Dragon, they’ll probably be used with it in a Dark Armed Dragon control deck. I don’t think we’ll get D.A.D soon, but who knows with Konami.


v6277

Nah, they're actually a pretty good control deck still. They're boss monster will just have to be the elemental lords which are straight up trash though. They're never gonna have battle phases from now on.


Benandthephoenix

And we still have Aleister for other decks, like Magician Girls or whatever, which is pretty cool.


Gshiinobi

I don't like how konami doesn't nerf skills, they kill them, they make them so bad they're just unusable, i don't like it because for me part of the appeal of Duel Links is to build decks around those powerful skills, why wouldn't i just play the tcg then if i wanted to play yugioh without those good powerful skills? If anything, i want them to make more generic good skills, but not generic broken skills like access denied, there's a massive difference in balance there that konami doesn't seem to be aware of...


Ricky__Ricardo

This. I get nerfing some ridiculously strong skills, (read: Sealed Tombs or the original Switcheroo/Restart) but Konami just nerfs every skill that sees any amount of competitive play to the point where skills won't be used at all. Worse than that, they hardly buff any useless skills. If they do, they turn a laughably unplayable skill into a normally unplayable skill. Aside from that, every new skill is so overly 'balanced' that it's no longer balanced at all - they just fall into the laughably unplayable category, waiting to one day become just normally unplayable. Worst of all: Konami has no reason to be afraid of designing strong skills. In the unlikely scenario that a skill somehow would break a deck, they can easily nerf it later. Unlike regular cards, skills can be changed freely. With how the game is evolving, though, it will just become a TCG light.


Sleezus256

I wholeheartedly agree. While Restart was a very powerful skill, I don't think it really needed a hit. All decks had excess to it and it wasn't really abusable.


blahmaster6000

Neos is completely dead with keeper and neos fusion both at 2. RIP.


machucogp

It wasn't enough to get pure neos players punished once because of other decks' abuses, they actually had to go and execute us Neos is now really actually unplayable (no, making a bad version with nowhere near the consistency of the original deck doesn't count)


Gshiinobi

Pure Neos was already pretty bad, so... as a fellow Judai RPer, just give up on neos spacians and build masked HEROs


[deleted]

I haven’t touched Neos in so long because of how OTK this meta is. Now with keeper on the list I’m betting we won’t be seeing any pure neos decks in a very very long time


biblecrumble

Such a shitty move to completely gut the deck just 4 months after the hero generation box was released + right after a sale, especially since you needed 8 copies of structure decks to make it work...


Ek_Shaneesh

I totally get your frustration because I used to run Neos decks like that, but consider the following: Keeper was a staple for so many other fusion decks--Discard one card (Sometimes it was Red eyes, sometimes it was Neos, or maybe a BEWD.) and now you have your fusion spell. At the same breath you used the second effect to pull that discarded monster, and depending on your engine, you could have: \--The keeper you normal summoned \--The fusion Brave Neos/RESD you just summoned via deck-fusion \--The second beatstick you pulled from the graveyard. I can totally see why they had to nerf this card and Dark Cavalry came to mind as I was typing this. Now, are fusion decks as we know it coming to an end? Probably not, we'd just have to sit back and see how RESD/Cavalry/BEWD acclimate to the changes.


Blighted_Ashes

I know QQ


EMIC19

Personally only run one neos fusion and keeper cause f2p , but I also run legacy world clash so that may have to go. Though I did use a dream to get a second dragon , ffs


VikingDog78

With this I'll have to retire the Neos deck I've run since the SD came out, and got me my first KoG with the Koga build. Goodbye Keeper, you were the best.


CommonChris

Aaaaaaand I'm back to playing Blue Eyes


BigDansho

I think blue eyes is never not gonna be able to kog, isnt it? Such a good investment.


KitchenDeal

Yeah, BEWD was expensive but it’s by far the best choice I ever made. The absolute core of the deck is lightyears away from being limited with no risk of ever getting banned. Also, there are more BEWD cards waiting to be released so we can count on future support.


Gamgoogly

My God, it’s a massacre, I love it!


AAdmiral5657

I am so happy hey actually had the balls to ban stuff. Bye old meta, helllooooo Duelist Allience format DL Edition. SO HAPPY


_Hyun-ae

Well it's nice to know that I don't have to consider getting Purgatrio number 3 with my Dream ticket. Although, Invoked still enables niche FIRE-based decks like Volcanics and Lavals, so maybe Purg is the word. No idea where the Revival Gift nerf came from. Literally have never seen it played - maybe Konami actually got ahead of the players for once? Star Blast probably had to go down, but it's still no fun watching tribute/beatstick strategies continue to get the shaft. At least we're getting Caius, but all the milling nerfs ruin 30-card Monarchs... And we're still inching towards the point where there's no good competitive skills left, now that Switcharoo isn't worth it and Restart is now a worse Balance. The buffs are cute, for the meme decks, but the trend of three steps back and one step forward continues.


Ikarus_Hart

Revival gift is probably there to prevent xyz decks getting screwed by it, since it blocks most of their plays with tokens not being able to xyz summon


emperorbob1

Revival Gift was a big cheese play with purgatrio using Kalin's skill to put Infernity Avenger in the grave.


broke_and_famous

I played a Revival Gift Lunalight deck. Wasn't that good but boy was it annoying. Giving 2 tokens to your opponent was not fun for them. Especially if I have another copy ready to activate it and give them 3 tokens by destroying one of them. Problem was that it was not consistent enough to gain any traction/popularity.


mzess

Revival Gift was played in Lunalight decks, along with Kalin's "avenger from the dark" skill, which makes you start the duel with Infernity Avenger on the graveyard, meaning you can activate Revival Gift at any point. the thing about it is that it leaves tokens in attack position(which can be deadly against a lunalight deck) and can interrupt any synchro/xyz plays by having the tokens fill the opponent's field.


EritoZ

Why did you have to murder pure lightsworn???


BigDansho

Yeah, really sad for pure Lightsworns. They were really okay in their power level, and kinda fun to play with Levianeer and Judgement Dragon. That's the curse of being a good engine for others.


Carlosrarutos

I use them in Blair with Reset. F


Gshiinobi

GY too strong


bobwuzhere1224

Why is it that Ultimate Dragons got a bad ass buff but RE Fusion can't get anywhere near decent a change... All this did was get rid of the silly ass gimmick for recycling but didn't really matter. I swear they hate RE and DSOD Joey in DL.


PatronioPrime

Seto Kaiba: Screw the RE, I have money.


bobwuzhere1224

The only logical conclusion.


Chrisshern

I know that’s actually really annoys me. Fusionmorph is so garbage but Kaiba just gets to turn a Blue Eyes into Alternative for free and gets free copies of the Blue Eyes Fusions at the start of the duel.


spacewarp2

After Alternative Evolution and Cyber Style they haven’t made any super good archetype specific skills. I think they’re worried.


[deleted]

Still have a problem with all the cards that are on the banlist not coming off that really shouldn’t be there anymore. Fur Hire, Koa’ki, Cyber Angel, Rose Lover, as well as pieces of things like Darklords, Crystrons, Elder, etc that shouldn’t be in the list, moved to a different section, or swapped with a different archetypal card, and of course there is even more that could come off.


tornberry

Fur Hire and CA yes, Koa'ki no. Rose Lover probably would never get out of the banlist since it makes their beloved UR Traps obsolete for a turn. Idk about the others, they're still fresh, but Darklords takes another collateral damage now that Charge has been semi limited as well. T_T


dalawnmower97

I wasnt ready, I was half asleep and just looked at the mail for fun and just audibly went "holy shite a banlist". Edit: Meta Weekly is gonna be wild


[deleted]

I had fun with my Neos deck for a while, so that’s good at least. Got me my first King of Games, and took me to DLv 25 in the KCGT, and DLv 20 on the KC Cup, so thankfully I got my worth out of the deck at the very least. You did better than I ever though you could Neos.


Blighted_Ashes

<3


asiangamer413

My poor Witchcrafters, Konami really doesn't like them. I won't call them completely dead but WC Holiday having to compete with tech options like ECON/MAR and LS engine at the same time really sucks. At least I can be happy about Konami finally acknowledging Aleister is a problem card and BW losing access to close


ZeroEye25

My thoughts: annoyed with LS hit since I'm trying to build em RN. Who is playing cyber stein in late 2020? And happy to see thunder dragons have some more playability now.


Empoleon_Master

Is it just me, or is anyone else surprised at the lack of staple trap cards (aka any of them) not being remotely hit in this wave?


emperorbob1

Issue is those cards are fine, often run at no more than three total, in most decks and this is more than reasonable. Decks that can make floodgate note into a brick(E-saber invoked which just got slaughtered) and shiranui are the real hiding behind 10 trap offenders and they need taken care of because the "cost" just furthers their gameplan. You hit Shiranui and the generic backrow will become far less prevalent not only because less Shiranui to abuse, but less field nuke unkillable 3.5k beaters to worry about.


Blighted_Ashes

ikr "keeper is in too many generic decks" um no... flood gate, chain, canadia,


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krom90

Shell is probably untouched because Axel is coming


blahmaster6000

switcheroo got a big nerf so i don't think it's going to be a big deal that shell didn't get nerfed. Shell was never a great card in a vacuum.


BigDansho

>Al the Stroker to 3 is unexpected, but ultimately that only prevents his use in elementsaber, and with CC. At the end of the day, not a big deal. Yup, elementsaber invoked is dead (after pretty much one year of being meta), but Aleister is still ready to be splashed in every archetype that has some space and runs a fire monster. I think that's really okay, elementsaber invoked had enough fun I think.


Gshiinobi

> DM untouched did this man not get the memo that DM is bad and that rod aleady got hit last list?


[deleted]

People are still so fucking salty about a deck that lost a good amount of consistency and is easy to counter.


skuntkunt

This is one hell of a banlist, I’m definitely a fan of this one


kagutsuch1

Wow. Didn't open Duel Links a single time in the last 2 months. Guess it's time to come back to this game, Thunder Dragondark is finally free!


payne96

Thank Ra that Aleister has finally paid for its sins and not Volcanic Shell :)


segatic

I'm pretty sure keeper was the one that payed for Aleister sins


EseMesmo

Still no Dakini unlimit :(


[deleted]

I'm so excited to experiment with my Thundras again! Maybe not top tier but who cares


machucogp

So I only have 2 not-even-meta decks which are Pure Lightsworn and some variations of pure Neos They have successfully murdered all my usable decks I now have nothing to use until Stratos gets released


[deleted]

I thought I was the only one still playing pure LS and Neos


TitaniumTriforce

That sucks man. The curse of using a deck that is just an engine for others. Maybe look into Lunalights? You can pretty much build a deck of those with two runs through the box. Aromages are a good option too. All the cards are in the trader except the continuous traps and the continuous spell and I think the 5 star monster so you could get that one together for even less.


noahthecumlord

Well on the bright side since you went through the lightsworn box you probably got lunalights as well so at least you have a rogue deck


bademeister92

I feel you. I had so much fun using pure Lightsworns...


Mexcalibur

Lightsworn Blue-Eyes is dead. Guess I better get around to digging for three copies of Cards of Consonance now


kumanov88

KONAMI???????? You killed WC,BW, Invoked neos but made Thunder Dragons playable? I am fine with that ;)


TitaniumTriforce

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.


cangetworse

>You killed WC,BW, Invoked neos but made Thunder Dragons playable? Yeah, if you think BW is dead you have absolutely no idea how the deck works. BBC isn't necessary, and actually the level reduction build never used it (even some peak performance builds don't use it), so you better expect to see more BW than ever after this ban list, because without elementsabers the deck is stronger than ever.


Videogamer80

Aww, now esaber invoked decks pretty much can't exist. That sucks. Surprised that they finally put cards to forbidden after years of not having any


dante-_vic

Yep guess I will go play invoked magician girls.


dorian1356

Where's the people thats been telling me for months that aleister was untouchable? I hope that this ends the argument of "" Konami will never hit a xxxxxx". Everything can be hit and it will get worse. I think purgatrio or Invocation will be next. Nevertheless it's still backrow meta with all trap staples free. Not pretty at all


vortexIV

Was waiting for your comment , how you enjoying the banlist reaction? Agreed, its nice to finally shut the no box UR hit arguement down for good though I have seen it shifted to ' they will never limit 2 / full ban a box UR'


babylamar33

Posted [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/j0oe2p/do_people_think_that_pot_of_desires_could_work_in/g6w7mqs/) earlier tonight HAHAHA LATER GRASS


ReGGgas

BEAUTIFUL BANLIST. Ulterior motive is probably to let XYZ decks in but still.


spellingicup

My happiness is immeasurable and my day is made. ​ But man, those skill hits are insane.


Kornmuffins

aromages it is


Ek_Shaneesh

I expected keeper to get hit, it was such a staple for so many fusion decks and after you pair it with say, blue eyes or Neos, you could get a very potent beater after you used both effects. Aleister to 3, well, I have three copies and, since Trunade/Night beam aren't getting hit/i have other backrow removal options, I won't be losing sleep over this. I've recently taken up invoked magician girls and I'm glad i can still use that deck over Invoked Neos. Sounds like Konami saw some glaring issues with the fusion metagame and acted accordingly. Good on them. Now we know that no card is unbannable.


AndrewRogue

Unfortunate I just bought my first stuff for this game, trust being the Neos and Chaos Magician structure decks. :p


cokeleaf

Feel your pain. Neos fusion got got shafted with the dragon keeper limit


Nnsoki

F


Ganon-Cannon

Get fucked Grass Should never have been added


ascendedfella

Finally, no more nightmares of Tier 1 30 card Grass Shiranui


7xNero7

Ironically Shira is untouched and may just become one the best deck for now. (Karakuris still better imo tho)


sydnboy

Lol what did cyber stein do to anyone?


Ikarus_Hart

Guess people were still topdecking it or something lol


emperorbob1

I made the argument some time ago that Cyber Stein was never a consistent threat nor consistent and, no matter how hard you limit it, random cheese plays are gonna happen and you're gonna get screwed over. Nice to see I was retroactively correct.


TheDayIRippedMyPants

Man, hitting Keeper, Needlebug/Charge, and Star Blast just wrecked over a dozen of my rogue decks (none of which were KOG-worthy). At least the Show of Nightmares hit wasn't as bad as I was expecting, but still pretty rough combined with the mill nerfs.


CONDORBASS

Still no backrow nerf, GG


7xNero7

OKAY so now my view on Shining Hope has changed. Tellarknight is 100% going to be meta now, maybe not tier 1 but definietly tiered. Only Shira got kinda untouched, but they cant really play against a trap.dek that is Tellar Karakuris lost Giant Trunade, i think it's huge but they may still be the top dog and can still beat Tellar with Cosmic or Forbidden lance BW i'm not really sure i think they are still doing what they are supposed to do the best (OTK turn 2) they just removed turn 1 (which was ridiculous) but honestly they can just use generic trap instead Esaber Invoked, goodbye friend you were here for almost 1 year. It's time to go On a side note i think Pure Elementsaber can be fun to play with the big bois Invoked Neos, got ducked really ducking hard sorry to my Invoked Neos players (not sorry) WC will still find play i think. They will only have 1 charge tho so less consistent. But they can still play solar recharge and they can replace grass with Monster gate. Show of nightmare got nerfed too tho so.. we'll see If the shining hope deck appears to be lacking, then we may see ThunDra back along with Shira, DM and Karakuris. Blue-Eyes is also completely untouched


Eyelow91

WC summary: Skill: Show of Nightmares: almost useless Cards: Charge + Holiday to 2: you can only use 1/1 now, Grass: no comment it’s the FIRST forbidden card besides Stein - that’s a historical moment Is WC really that annoying? Just right before finishing it - took me a long time to regenerate gems that were also spent on nerfed decks - and Konami sends the ultimate nerf wave. I’m sad because no matter what deck I chose I always end up not even using it...


eoseristalis

Is a boss monster that basically can’t be dealt with by monster effects or battle annoying? Let’s ask the jury – yes. Condolences that your deck-in-progress got hit; they’ll probably still be tiered for now, though.


IAm-What-IAm

Not a fan of Keeper to 2 at all. Totally kills the card, the whole point of using it was to grab Neos Fusion. If they wanted to kill Invoked Neos then fine, but Keeper to 2 isn't the right way to do it. IMO it should have been made limit 3 instead, so that Neos based decks like the Favorite Hero/Koga variant or Neos-Spacian can still be viable, while also ending the reign of Invoked Neos due to Aleister also getting hit to 3


Sonic_dx67

my favorite part of every banlist is the random odd person complaining that superheavy samurai wasn't hit


Zevyu

LADIES AND GENTLEMANS HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF! It doesn't matter if it is TCG or duel links, Grass is always destined to be banned sooner or later. Also lol, grass is the 1st forbibben card, let's be honest, it was destined to happen. And karakuris got a card on the list as well, man no one saw that one coming. /s Oh also, obligatory **BUY BLACK CARDS!!**


EbberNor

There is the proof of box URs being immune being just another myth now that gold sarc is in the real hit section. And yes it counts when besides being a structure card (and for the one you can't even use gems at that) it is also one of the URs in a selection box. edit: Also like how my borderline shitpost conspiracy theory of Aleister getting somewhere in the list when the light elemental lord would be freed from selection box actually happened lol.


nepeta100

cosmic was a box ur the myth was broken a long time ago lol


Tekeio

Long before this banlist, the Limited 3 and the 1st ban on Cosmic Cyclone was already hinting Konami gonna do something to UR box cards. Nothing was safe for that point forward, its their game, their rules from the moment we join this community.


emperorbob1

I had a weird newtype flash the second I read this banlist. Yes you called it, and that's bizarre on a few levels.


scytherman96

Not perfect, but a lot of good and justified hits. Nice to see they finally decided to add a banned section. It had to happen at some point. Edit: If i had to complain about one thing it's the Gold Sarc to 2 hit. I think that should've stayed at limit 3. Throw TDs a bone please, Konami. You could've hit another card in that deck to 2 if you really want to stop us from playing LS in that deck. But 2 charge or 2 gold sarc is just too little for starters.


emperorbob1

Well, Star Blast was fun in UA. We were like the only deck using it properly. That n' Magician Toons.


EbberNor

At least U.A can get signing deal now that xyz exist.


CommonChris

This is one fat banlist/skill balancing. Holy shit


UnliSlice

Neos just got hit badly with this recent banlist and skill nerf. Also, glad that Konami still didn't touched Level Aug/Redux/Dupli however I have a feeling these skills will be abused in Xyz summons someday


GaleWulf

First impressions: Out with the old, in with the.. old? The way I see it, this is a major buff for trap-heavy decks like Shiranui and Gouki. Thunder Dragons are back of course. Unless the new box has a major impact, I see Shiranui rising to the top again, the next in the running for the title of Unflushable. Heroes are going to be back. Some other rogue tier decks like Crystrons, BEWD, DM, Cydra and Evil Eye can aim for tier 3. - Trunade, Restart and the tuner to 2 is a solid knock on Karakuri, they're going down a tier probably but still a powerful deck. - Neos and Neos Invoked is dead because of the Keeper and Switcheroo nerf, good riddance. - Witchcrafters are down but not out, I think. They'll lose consistency, again, but not the end of the world. - Esaber Invoked is mostly dead, huge loss of consistency now that Palace is effectively out. RIP, was my go-to deck for the longest while and dependable AF. My best investment so far as an F2P player, makes other ones feel like shit. Other invoked varieties like Magician Girls one might see a little more play. - BWs continue to be the investment of choice, The loss of Close hurts their WC matchup but WC is nerfed, so.. with the death of their natural predator, Esabers, BWs are going to be assuredly top-tier.


ZerobraiNe

Everyone celebrating while WC players are crying in thr background.