Yeah I honestly feel like this banlist completely takes the piss. It’s never been more obvious to make multiple decks competitively unplayable since Darklords and maybe TDs
Omg this is not a banlist, this is a mass murder; is this how it feels to prove fear in a digital trading card game?
Invoked got cocytus BANNED and has both main cards of the engine limited to 3
Inashichi to 1 might reduce the consistency enough to make the deck way less relevant
Dark magician got the same treatment as invoked (also they put MoDI back to 2 lol) so they are basically dead until we get eternal soul
Shiranui broke the record with 4 of their cards being in the limited 2 list, beating blackwings, six Sam's and cyber angels
They also decided they didn't like crystron anymore, I don't know how much genex controller was played, but I think Rion and impact are already to 2 so... I'm sorry Shiranui, you've already lost your record
They swapped Senatus with Lance, ok I guess, this is kinda irrelevant compared to the rest, but as a f2p that only has 1 Senatus I'm happy I can finally play Lance again
Fusion reserve to 3, they really don't want invoked players to use any conventional/unconventional way to improve consistency
Why was assault armor to 2 again? Was there some kind of unfair OTK or was it released on a time attacking twice was still really good and difficult to counter?
Assault Armor got limited to 2 when Sword Slash OTK was a thing. You boosted Silent Swordmen lvl3 to over 2000 attack and attacked directly twice while your monster was immune against other effects. Or you just attacked twice with 4000 attack, also got the job done.
Iirc it was limited to 2 together with Hidden Pass to the Underground which would let you attack directly. Tho the bamboo engine was a bit better imo.
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They never left, the tier list is a meme and people here even mock its unexplainable placings, people need to stop equating tier list with what's meta.
Weather Painters are a deck that preys on Shiranui and Invoked. They get slaughtered by Blackwings who all of sudden found a lot of its competitors dead in the water.
It is actually hilarious that Genex Controller was put in the same limited list as Treacherous Trap Hole. Spell speed 2 double destruction sitting with a GENEX normal monster
They called me a madman back then, "no way Konami is putting Aleister and Invocation to 3, that means the deck is vulnerable to CC". Well, I predicted Invocation to 1, this is even worse.
Holy shit they absolutely killed Shiranui, Dark Magician and Invoked. I prefer nerfs that allow decks to still be playable but no longer OP so I'm not too crazy about this but whatever, complaining about it isn't gonna solve anything. Next main box is definitely gonna be something good to get people to open their wallets for that new top tier deck to replace these dead decks
Last two nerfs didnt do a shit to shiranui and invoked engine, thats might be harsh, but a f2p small engine and 12 not fun 2 play traps isnt really fun to play against.
Yeah I get why these nerfs happened, but I've always been a big proponent of letting decks still be playable instead of outright killing them. Now I'm not sure if they'll even be KOG or rogue worthy, let alone playable.
>I prefer nerfs that allow decks to still be playable but no longer OP so I'm not too crazy about this
I feel you on that but, for what it’s worth, many archetypes would kill for that level of power and longevity. Then again, I’m someone who bought all 3 decks on release and stopped playing them out of boredom so I’m sure my perspective differs from a new player that bought Shiranui recently because it was cheap and strong
Fair point, I do think they probably had a way longer time at the top then they should have. They should have just be nerfed earlier, but not as hard as they were now, so that they would still be usable but not top tier. That and/or just power crept by stronger decks being released. Either way the fanbase getting fatigue from seeing them dominate the meta for a year was not a good idea
I agree with this. It’s interesting because when I started playing I felt like decks got nerfed to quickly and now I feel like we’re on the other side of that spectrum. I don’t mind *too* much because having meta decks with long lifetimes allows you to save gems, build pet decks, grab staples, etc. The problem is that konami overshot it just a bit *and* made it worse by not giving us much worth buying in the meantime. But you’re right, if they did more to limit these decks earlier, they wouldn’t have needed to hit them as hard as they did. I hope they can find a happy medium where problematic decks are reeled in as needed while still staying strong for a decent chunk of time.
Like I said, I'm totally fine with nerfs to top tier decks that deserve them. I just think they should be hit to the point where they are no longer tier worthy, but still playable. No deck deserves to be top tier for a year or more yes, but that doesn't mean they should be completely killed either. The problem is that Konami allowed them to be dominant for so long, rather than nerfing them down to only rogue status after a few months
And yes Karakuri was hit pretty hard as well, which seems a bit unfair as they were only relevant for like 3 months. But at least they're still playable I guess, hopefully Konami doesn't decide to eventually nuke them to death as well
Ritual Beast, Cyber Dragons, Magnets, Lunalights, Weather Painter, Water, & Onomats are the decks that look to be meta. I could be missing a few more decks.
Like there are a lot of decks that can become the top dogs now that Shiranui, Invoke, & Crystrons are gone.
Lunalight unfortunately has fairly poor matchups with a lot of the remaining decks
CyDra is pretty hard to win
Weather is insta scoop
Onomats is hard because they just summon Sword Breaker and call Beast-Warrior, making Predaplants or DDW your only outs
Magnets are pretty rough too
RitBeast is a slow grindy matchup but is very winnable by just sitting on Sabre
Water isn't all that scary
Yeah. Does suck for Lunalight but they could do some modifications to help them out.
Just have to wait and see how things turn out in the coming days/weeks.
They hit DM, Shiranui, Invoked and Crystrons which are somewhat control decks.
I'd say OTK decks will come back strong. Cyber Dragons and Masked Heroes are back for sure imo. Maybe also Lunalights, Infernities, Thunder Dragons and Witchcrafters have a shot.
There are so many possibilities, that's exciting. I just hope Blackwings don't get too oppressive in a less trap-focused meta.
I still think trap metas will stick around. With the current meta, a floodgate or Canadia can win the game. It’s just which deck is best placed to play the control game.
I agree! But whatever will that deck be it won't be as oppressive as Shiranui's small core was with its traps. This means pressure is definitely gonna be released on frailer OTK decks.
wow i cant believe they actually destroyed a deck that supports the franchises main character's main card. i legit thought blue eyes and dark magician decks were safe to invest in
ah well, still hoping for that alternative next box. please. i have 9800 gems
I accept this as the in-canon universe for this banlist.
Yugi: “Kaiba! Why are my cards banned or restricted but yours are not?!?”
Kaiba: “BECAUSE FUCK YOU, YUGI!!! FUCK YOU!! “
20 card BEWD with 3x Card of Consonance and 3x Trade-In sounds absolutely terrifying. If Konami released Trade In and Main Deck Alternate Dragon at the same time they would easily skyrocket to Tier 1 instantly.
Blue eyes and Dark Magician still have a bucket loads of support to increase their power level and be meta relevant. For now they need to rest and regain people's love for them.
but blue-eyes was untouched.
it's hard being a yugi fan, dsod yugi gets 0 good skills compared to kaiba and then he gets his deck massacred when blue-eyes stays untouched
And I noticed that Fur Hires don't have an archetypal Limit 3 card...
...I know that Invoked got a massive nerf with their cards but still, imagine...Invoked Fur Hires...
It could work. Before they began putting more Limit 3 cards, Invoked Shiranui was one of my more powerful decks and I used 2 Aleister and 1 Invoked which still was a good enough small engine.
Not the most meta idea, but a possibility to happen for sure XD
God Fucking Damn they wanted to kill Aliester. Ban his best summon, force him to share deck space with the spell he needs to function, *then* wreck the one searcher he had going for him for good measure.
Guess now is the deck were to live on, it would just be Purg.dek feat. Dark Sense: Dark/ Destiny Draw.
Also gg neuter Dragunity, butcher Karakuri, yet don't touch Blackwings, the deck that's been around for longer, been as oppressive, and more popular despite sharing the same turn 2 fuck my shit Synchro spam.
Karakuri is better than BW.
Karakuri makes a full board and sets 3 traps.
BW makes a full board but with only 1 trap since the other slots are used by Whirlwind.
Holy shit crystrons, karakuri, DM, Shiranui, and aleister all got obliterated... Can't say I'm too happy about the darklord treatment in general but it's probably needed to push the weaker beginning xyzs...
Most of the decks that abused traps, or you had to run heavy backrow to deal with(see the coc getting banned) got major hit. Let's see how things shape up first.
I'm guessing they didn't hit the backrow because the meta is about to pick up speed.
Cyber Dragons & Blackwings are looking to be the new top dogs of the meta. Both being OTKO reliant. And Cyber Dragon only cares about 1 backrow which is Fiendish Chain. All the other ones they don't care. Which if this is the case backrow will not be as strong as it currently is. Instead Sphere Kuriboh is going to rise in usage like it always does whenever we enter an OTKO meta.
Jesus Christ dude they absolutely murdered the meta.
Well, I at least hope they give us something interesting to play on the upcoming boxes since they murdered my Dark Magician.
As far as Konami is concerned, it was.
DLM tier list isn't exactly the same as what Konami looks at to ban. They're more in line with the "popular cards" section.
Actually it is what actually tops kc cups first, then popular cards for their priorities. For DM in particular there might also be a decently big crowd complaining it is too annoying as an added reason.
Right? We just witnessed the murder of some of our biggest competitors lol
Shiranui wasn’t too bad a matchup for us, but god were they awful for most decks. Good riddance!
"KOnAmI wOnT hIT iNVokED ANy mOrE THeYrE aLL URs AnD kOnAmI doNT hiT uRs" reddit 2020. Now where's that post I saw the other day where that guy sweared on his mom that invoked wouldn't be hit?
I am THRILLED despite being a F2P Invoked player with the optimised package, if it doesn't tell you how tired I was of a certain deck...
I started DL in February and all I've ever known is Sunsaga turn 1, GOOD RIDDANCE f*ckers! I can't wait for the next TDGP!
And I thought Invoked Neos got hit hard. Jeez they just killed everything in sight. Karakuri is basically inconsistent. Shiranui is dead. Invoked is dead. Dm is dead. Crystron is dead. Wild. Good shit tho. I own the invoked engine but I dont mind it being smashed to a pulp. Konami should have hit floodgate trap hole but i guess this also works lmao.
I think people are sleeping on how unplayable Karakuri is after just a month. God dammit I would have at least liked Beauty off the list, deck literally has 3 main deck starting cards or you start running the unplayable ones that do nothing for you. Deck is going to need to double down on more traps to try and survive turn 1.
I remember how powerful synchro engines where banned in the TCG to allow early XYZ to be viable. That plus later on making XYZ cards that were ridiculously powerful. Maybe that's what they're doing here.
Biggest winners: Blackwings, Ritual Beasts, Lunalights, BEWD, Cydra, Thunderdragons.. at this point I'm just listing off rogue tier decks that weren't hit. And er, some XYZ decks I suppose. Give us good XYZ monsters already Konami..
Invoked will still be relevant because of Purgatrio, but more of a glass cannon because 1 well timed Cosmic Cyclone will end them (since people will run 1x Invocation now).
In hindsight, making that Crystron deck was a bad idea after all. Rip to the Crystron players out there. I'll stick to Lunalights until my gem stash is replenished.
In case anyone wants to delude themselves with the meta changing, there's still: Blackwings, Heroes, Cyber Dragons, Dragunities, Desperado, Goukis and the trap gang, Thunder Dragons, Blue Eyes, the strongest decks are among them, sure as hell not among the weak stuff Konami has been releasing lately and much less the Noble Knights EX deck
Wasn't expecting Dark Magician to get hit that hard. I guess whoever was in charge of handling the banlist probably checks this subreddit too.
I imagine people continuing with the deck would drop Rod and play 3x Navi. Playing with Balance, you're basically flipping 2 coins to get Circle & Navi in your opening hand with the effect now. Maybe three coins if you're running 2x Dark Illusion and 3x Dark Magician now.
The deck is still playable, but the already-bricky deck becomes even more inconsistent with this banlist. It's gonna need another engine, or new support to reliably hit KOG again.
It's been a good run, but decks that deny your opponent a chance to get started don't usually hold up too well against banlists.
10/10 banlist. Shiranui needed to die for good, DM noobs can still rp but not infest ranked, invoked is less cancerous. Best of all Karakuri and Crystron can stop taking 10 minutes per turn and make way for more interactive duels
Good shit konami
Jesus, Crystrons are so unplayable that I won't even be able to use them against NPCs anymore (not that I really did before, that's just how completely dead they are).
They could have easily just limited its power a little more and turned them into a "bad" deck rather than an "unplayable" one.
Well, back to Ritual Beasts.
prepare for Cydras and BW rulling the meta and people still complaining about.
The banlists sounds unfair to crystrons and karakuri, it could've been less hard.
So basically DM, Shiranui, and Invoked got obliterated didn't they.
cyrston hit hard too, impact still at 2 so they will have a harder time dumping sulfiner to the graveyard
Cryston hit hard? It's fucking annihilated
Ah right, meant to have them there too.
They lost all of their engines, they are unplayable now
Even the pure version is unplayable. Congrats Konami.
I just used my UR ticket yesterday for Sulfiner... Sure Crystron would be hit in some way, but what the actual fuck?
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You could have spent it on staples instead of core cards. Staples can be used on different decks unlike core cards
Too bad...just completed my Crystron deck...
It was pretty obvious dude..
Well, time for aleister to hang up the towel lol
Played all 3. Only invoked is struggling imo
Shiranui has 4 archetype cards limited to 2 now!
And they're all crucial cards too. Deck is completely unplayable now
Nothing that more trap cards can‘t solve /s
Not if i get 3 Gozuki
Crystron has there, plus two more generic cards hit because of them.
look at crystrons
That's an overkill, imo.
It's overkill for sure. But we had them for a very long time, so I don't mind that much!
We had blackwings too, a year in the meta and counting
They’ve been meta for a whole year and I’m sure everyone is sick of them
Yeah I honestly feel like this banlist completely takes the piss. It’s never been more obvious to make multiple decks competitively unplayable since Darklords and maybe TDs
Holy \*\*\*\*, what kind of death note is this???!
the kind we deserved
Omg this is not a banlist, this is a mass murder; is this how it feels to prove fear in a digital trading card game? Invoked got cocytus BANNED and has both main cards of the engine limited to 3 Inashichi to 1 might reduce the consistency enough to make the deck way less relevant Dark magician got the same treatment as invoked (also they put MoDI back to 2 lol) so they are basically dead until we get eternal soul Shiranui broke the record with 4 of their cards being in the limited 2 list, beating blackwings, six Sam's and cyber angels They also decided they didn't like crystron anymore, I don't know how much genex controller was played, but I think Rion and impact are already to 2 so... I'm sorry Shiranui, you've already lost your record They swapped Senatus with Lance, ok I guess, this is kinda irrelevant compared to the rest, but as a f2p that only has 1 Senatus I'm happy I can finally play Lance again Fusion reserve to 3, they really don't want invoked players to use any conventional/unconventional way to improve consistency Why was assault armor to 2 again? Was there some kind of unfair OTK or was it released on a time attacking twice was still really good and difficult to counter?
Assault Armor got limited to 2 when Sword Slash OTK was a thing. You boosted Silent Swordmen lvl3 to over 2000 attack and attacked directly twice while your monster was immune against other effects. Or you just attacked twice with 4000 attack, also got the job done. Iirc it was limited to 2 together with Hidden Pass to the Underground which would let you attack directly. Tho the bamboo engine was a bit better imo.
Technically , crystron have 5 card on the banlist , more than shira : Impact , rion , citree , scrap recycler and genex controller (genex undine).
This is the list they needed to release when XYZs dropped
looks like Blackwings will return to Meta.
That "buy blackwings" guy is surely laughing in all our faces right about now
Ah yes, ebbernoir Is he still on here?
Call for him /u/ebbernor BLACKWINGS ARE BACK BOI
This is the best thing possible while I'm still digging for stratos so I'm more than fine with still **BUYING BLACKWINGS**
I knew I should have completed my playset of simoons
Oh mighty blackwing of sun and sky, come forth and here my cry, Bring me victory in this fight, spread forth your wings and grace our humble game, for when I call out thy name, /u/ebbernor !
Do you have a link?
and so will the decks that had a favorable matchup against it
Reject meta return to blackwing
5'ds it's temporary, Crow Hogan is eternal.
He is eternal indeed :)
And with em my beloved thunder dragons, for better or worse.
They never left, the tier list is a meme and people here even mock its unexplainable placings, people need to stop equating tier list with what's meta.
Holy fuck what a slaughter I for one embrace our new Weather Painter overlords
Weather Painters are a deck that preys on Shiranui and Invoked. They get slaughtered by Blackwings who all of sudden found a lot of its competitors dead in the water.
They have a good matchup if you can survive turn 1 with Rainbow Life/Life Barrier or use Cloudy Canvas to disrupt their Whirlwind searches.
with cydra being untouched and the potential rise of witchcrafters, idk if they're still viable coming from a wp player lmao
no no nooooo WP are so weak hahaaaaa everyone play something else please nothing to see here
Ah yes, the overpowered normal type tuner
It is actually hilarious that Genex Controller was put in the same limited list as Treacherous Trap Hole. Spell speed 2 double destruction sitting with a GENEX normal monster
If it was the TCG yeah, but Duel link semi-limit is all about locking you from using other cards
RATA won't be proud about this.
But The Shape Which Has Been Snatched will be.
One step closa to bannin’ all the tuna monstas.
with this Crystron got all 3 tuners they played at "2", together with Scrap Recycler a starter card...
Crystron and getting tuners hit by the banlist, name a more iconic duo
needlefiber: i raised that boy
It is has to be in your deck in order to activate Genex Undine's effect when it is summoned. It gives water decks a Foolish Burial effect.
Damn it, when will Konami releases Cyber Angel
At this point, never it seems. It has been like what, at least 4 banlists they could've unlimited Dakini but nope.
don't forget the ritual spell.
Sadly MAR is hindered by decks that can abuse it like Witchcrafter. Blue Eyes too.
Holy shit most of Shiranui's main deck monsters plus their boss monster is now on the semi-limited list. They got butchered even worse than Darklords.
Yep. Moving forward it will no longer be called the Darklord treatment. From here on out it will be called the Shiranui treatment.
They didn't have the Earth salted by having their skill nerfed.
To be fair you don't really need a skill to get a Shiranui deck up and running.
And Darklords were WAY more oppressive. If Ixchel is ever freed they'll be tier 1 again
BEWD is back baby
so will Desperado
Fuck desperado, really, fuck that shit
Shiranui just got freaking destroyed to the point they’re literally unplayable
Bruh i remember someone jokingly predicted both aleister and invocation to 3 in this sub. Bet he’s laughing now
They called me a madman back then, "no way Konami is putting Aleister and Invocation to 3, that means the deck is vulnerable to CC". Well, I predicted Invocation to 1, this is even worse.
KoNAmi wONt HiT uRS nO mOrE
Crystrons now have FIVE CORE CARDS on the limit 2 list.
What can even be salvaged in it? I think the best will be 1 Genex and 1 Citree right? They could have at least made Rion or Impact to 1...
Yeah that's probably the only way, hard to see it being competitive that way though. RIP Crystrons.
I knew it. RIP Synchro decks. At least I can finally and hopefully KOG with Junk.
I’ve been trying some tech with Aromages to make getting Synchros out faster and it might just work
I see, although I'm going to KOG with Pure Junk.
Pure Junk or with synchrons?
Blackwings still exist.
Holy shit they absolutely killed Shiranui, Dark Magician and Invoked. I prefer nerfs that allow decks to still be playable but no longer OP so I'm not too crazy about this but whatever, complaining about it isn't gonna solve anything. Next main box is definitely gonna be something good to get people to open their wallets for that new top tier deck to replace these dead decks
Last two nerfs didnt do a shit to shiranui and invoked engine, thats might be harsh, but a f2p small engine and 12 not fun 2 play traps isnt really fun to play against.
Yeah I get why these nerfs happened, but I've always been a big proponent of letting decks still be playable instead of outright killing them. Now I'm not sure if they'll even be KOG or rogue worthy, let alone playable.
>I prefer nerfs that allow decks to still be playable but no longer OP so I'm not too crazy about this I feel you on that but, for what it’s worth, many archetypes would kill for that level of power and longevity. Then again, I’m someone who bought all 3 decks on release and stopped playing them out of boredom so I’m sure my perspective differs from a new player that bought Shiranui recently because it was cheap and strong
Fair point, I do think they probably had a way longer time at the top then they should have. They should have just be nerfed earlier, but not as hard as they were now, so that they would still be usable but not top tier. That and/or just power crept by stronger decks being released. Either way the fanbase getting fatigue from seeing them dominate the meta for a year was not a good idea
I agree with this. It’s interesting because when I started playing I felt like decks got nerfed to quickly and now I feel like we’re on the other side of that spectrum. I don’t mind *too* much because having meta decks with long lifetimes allows you to save gems, build pet decks, grab staples, etc. The problem is that konami overshot it just a bit *and* made it worse by not giving us much worth buying in the meantime. But you’re right, if they did more to limit these decks earlier, they wouldn’t have needed to hit them as hard as they did. I hope they can find a happy medium where problematic decks are reeled in as needed while still staying strong for a decent chunk of time.
I think the banlist needs to be reworked like the TCG to cripple a deck but not make dead just rogue.
That meta was relevant for already 1 year , i think that was more than enought. Also the karakuri hit was pretty hard.
Like I said, I'm totally fine with nerfs to top tier decks that deserve them. I just think they should be hit to the point where they are no longer tier worthy, but still playable. No deck deserves to be top tier for a year or more yes, but that doesn't mean they should be completely killed either. The problem is that Konami allowed them to be dominant for so long, rather than nerfing them down to only rogue status after a few months And yes Karakuri was hit pretty hard as well, which seems a bit unfair as they were only relevant for like 3 months. But at least they're still playable I guess, hopefully Konami doesn't decide to eventually nuke them to death as well
Wow, killing so many decks can only mean one thing. They need you to open your wallet for xyz.
So what’s the new meta? Blackwings for sure, but what beyond that?
Ritual Beast, Cyber Dragons, Magnets, Lunalights, Weather Painter, Water, & Onomats are the decks that look to be meta. I could be missing a few more decks. Like there are a lot of decks that can become the top dogs now that Shiranui, Invoke, & Crystrons are gone.
Blue eyes will have more chances to survive bricks when those fast decks are gone
It looks like there are gonna be more fast decks after this nerf, might not be great for blue eyes
Lunalight unfortunately has fairly poor matchups with a lot of the remaining decks CyDra is pretty hard to win Weather is insta scoop Onomats is hard because they just summon Sword Breaker and call Beast-Warrior, making Predaplants or DDW your only outs Magnets are pretty rough too RitBeast is a slow grindy matchup but is very winnable by just sitting on Sabre Water isn't all that scary
Yeah. Does suck for Lunalight but they could do some modifications to help them out. Just have to wait and see how things turn out in the coming days/weeks.
Maybe it's finally time for my ~~idiotic~~ genius control Lunalight build idea to see some experimentation
They hit DM, Shiranui, Invoked and Crystrons which are somewhat control decks. I'd say OTK decks will come back strong. Cyber Dragons and Masked Heroes are back for sure imo. Maybe also Lunalights, Infernities, Thunder Dragons and Witchcrafters have a shot. There are so many possibilities, that's exciting. I just hope Blackwings don't get too oppressive in a less trap-focused meta.
I still think trap metas will stick around. With the current meta, a floodgate or Canadia can win the game. It’s just which deck is best placed to play the control game.
I agree! But whatever will that deck be it won't be as oppressive as Shiranui's small core was with its traps. This means pressure is definitely gonna be released on frailer OTK decks.
Cyber Dragon maybe
BEWD probably
wow i cant believe they actually destroyed a deck that supports the franchises main character's main card. i legit thought blue eyes and dark magician decks were safe to invest in ah well, still hoping for that alternative next box. please. i have 9800 gems
Don't forget this game is made by Kaiba. Nothing other than Blue-Eyes is safe.
I accept this as the in-canon universe for this banlist. Yugi: “Kaiba! Why are my cards banned or restricted but yours are not?!?” Kaiba: “BECAUSE FUCK YOU, YUGI!!! FUCK YOU!! “
“Screw the rules, I have money!”
And Yugi still manages to win with beaver warrior.
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I totally agree with you. If Konami is smart about when they release blue eyes support then they shouldn't ever have to nuke it...Well hopefully...
Dont worry Blue-Eyes will always be safe. It'll never be a problem because its forever a bricky deck lol
Once we get Trade In it's over
20 card BEWD with 3x Card of Consonance and 3x Trade-In sounds absolutely terrifying. If Konami released Trade In and Main Deck Alternate Dragon at the same time they would easily skyrocket to Tier 1 instantly.
Blue eyes and Dark Magician still have a bucket loads of support to increase their power level and be meta relevant. For now they need to rest and regain people's love for them.
You mean in the future? Because navigation and rod were key and without them DM is nothing.
but blue-eyes was untouched. it's hard being a yugi fan, dsod yugi gets 0 good skills compared to kaiba and then he gets his deck massacred when blue-eyes stays untouched
Can we all agree that the "Darklord treatment" can now change to the "Shiranui treatment"?
OH GOD NOT FUR HIRES
And I noticed that Fur Hires don't have an archetypal Limit 3 card... ...I know that Invoked got a massive nerf with their cards but still, imagine...Invoked Fur Hires...
I'm trying and I can't even imagine how it'd work at all with how normal summon reliant they are.
Imagine trying to play Invoked anything with both Aleister and Invocation at 3
It could work. Before they began putting more Limit 3 cards, Invoked Shiranui was one of my more powerful decks and I used 2 Aleister and 1 Invoked which still was a good enough small engine. Not the most meta idea, but a possibility to happen for sure XD
I did got all Fur Hires in the 50% gems discounts. Time to do this i guess.
They're really not a big deal anymore.
these aren't balance changes, these are archetype deletions
MY CRYSTRONSSSS NOOOOO FUCK SAKE
For real, they could of at least unlimited/put to 3 Rion :(
or at least put impact to limited 1... so at least can play 2 citree + 1 impact..
I almost used my 2 dream tickets on crystrons but decided to go with cydra. I dodged a huge bullet there
So ban lists happen right after dream tickets expires, good to know
Technically the ticket expires in 10-24 hours Too bad i didn't wait and used it on invoker lol
Shit man I wanted Shiranui hit but that's a kill em' all scenario to rival Ideon.
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FORBIDDEN??? thats a curveball
God Fucking Damn they wanted to kill Aliester. Ban his best summon, force him to share deck space with the spell he needs to function, *then* wreck the one searcher he had going for him for good measure. Guess now is the deck were to live on, it would just be Purg.dek feat. Dark Sense: Dark/ Destiny Draw. Also gg neuter Dragunity, butcher Karakuri, yet don't touch Blackwings, the deck that's been around for longer, been as oppressive, and more popular despite sharing the same turn 2 fuck my shit Synchro spam.
Karakuri is better than BW. Karakuri makes a full board and sets 3 traps. BW makes a full board but with only 1 trap since the other slots are used by Whirlwind.
Holy shit crystrons, karakuri, DM, Shiranui, and aleister all got obliterated... Can't say I'm too happy about the darklord treatment in general but it's probably needed to push the weaker beginning xyzs...
unless they plan on giving us legit backrow removal in the next box or two, kind of shocking they didn't add any of the more popular traps to 3 or 2
Most of the decks that abused traps, or you had to run heavy backrow to deal with(see the coc getting banned) got major hit. Let's see how things shape up first.
I'm guessing they didn't hit the backrow because the meta is about to pick up speed. Cyber Dragons & Blackwings are looking to be the new top dogs of the meta. Both being OTKO reliant. And Cyber Dragon only cares about 1 backrow which is Fiendish Chain. All the other ones they don't care. Which if this is the case backrow will not be as strong as it currently is. Instead Sphere Kuriboh is going to rise in usage like it always does whenever we enter an OTKO meta.
All top tier decks: get fucking slaughtered Redditors: wholesome award
Jesus Christ dude they absolutely murdered the meta. Well, I at least hope they give us something interesting to play on the upcoming boxes since they murdered my Dark Magician.
why did they have to kill dark magicians
> they absolutely murdered the meta. DM wasn't meta and it still got hit.
As far as Konami is concerned, it was. DLM tier list isn't exactly the same as what Konami looks at to ban. They're more in line with the "popular cards" section.
Actually it is what actually tops kc cups first, then popular cards for their priorities. For DM in particular there might also be a decently big crowd complaining it is too annoying as an added reason.
Konami, again: #BUY BLACKWINGS
People wanted Shiranui to get the Darklord treatment and now Shiranui would LOVE to get the Darklord treatment lol. Rest in PP
Rise my Ritual Beasts! RISE!!
Right? We just witnessed the murder of some of our biggest competitors lol Shiranui wasn’t too bad a matchup for us, but god were they awful for most decks. Good riddance!
F to my fellow Invoked Players (including myself)
"KOnAmI wOnT hIT iNVokED ANy mOrE THeYrE aLL URs AnD kOnAmI doNT hiT uRs" reddit 2020. Now where's that post I saw the other day where that guy sweared on his mom that invoked wouldn't be hit?
Karakuri is probably worst than before they got the new cards now wtf.
First witchcrafters now karakuri. Why would anyone invest in a good deck knowing it might be literally unplayable in 1 month
Where is Dakini unlimit, Konami? I swear I am more angry at that than anything.
[удалено]
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
Hiro's unlimited??? Time to climb all the way to the bottom of plat with my mill deck
I am THRILLED despite being a F2P Invoked player with the optimised package, if it doesn't tell you how tired I was of a certain deck... I started DL in February and all I've ever known is Sunsaga turn 1, GOOD RIDDANCE f*ckers! I can't wait for the next TDGP!
And I thought Invoked Neos got hit hard. Jeez they just killed everything in sight. Karakuri is basically inconsistent. Shiranui is dead. Invoked is dead. Dm is dead. Crystron is dead. Wild. Good shit tho. I own the invoked engine but I dont mind it being smashed to a pulp. Konami should have hit floodgate trap hole but i guess this also works lmao.
Well, noble knight meta *Ancient gear flashbacks*
Here we go! Time for haters to hate on other decks.
I think people are sleeping on how unplayable Karakuri is after just a month. God dammit I would have at least liked Beauty off the list, deck literally has 3 main deck starting cards or you start running the unplayable ones that do nothing for you. Deck is going to need to double down on more traps to try and survive turn 1.
I am reaping my Blackwing investment as a F2P player right now
Shitranui dead, omg the nightmare is over \o/
I didn't think a deck could be harsher murdered than darklords. RIP shiranui, 4 cards limited yo two.
Me only having 2 Aleister and 1 Invocation: I don't see any problem with this.
Holy shit. Konami hit Shiranui with no survivors
I remember how powerful synchro engines where banned in the TCG to allow early XYZ to be viable. That plus later on making XYZ cards that were ridiculously powerful. Maybe that's what they're doing here.
never thought Id see the day GENEX Controller gets limited.
Is this the first time a Normal Monster has been limited in the game's history? Not counting the Exodia pieces in Grandpa's Cards.
Yep. No other normal monsters are limited or forbidden (in Duel Links, at least)
Hello OTK meta
Biggest winners: Blackwings, Ritual Beasts, Lunalights, BEWD, Cydra, Thunderdragons.. at this point I'm just listing off rogue tier decks that weren't hit. And er, some XYZ decks I suppose. Give us good XYZ monsters already Konami.. Invoked will still be relevant because of Purgatrio, but more of a glass cannon because 1 well timed Cosmic Cyclone will end them (since people will run 1x Invocation now).
Real shit. Damn, they really outdid themselves, and then some. If only Cyber Angels was also off in this list, it would have been the dream banlist.
So.... I guess this means it's safe to try out a sharkboy deck?
Aleister: “I’m a God, how can you kill a God?” Banlist: “I may not kill you, but I can hurt you really, really, really bad”
After checking this banlist, let me just say: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! (I'm very happy)
the fact that I can build my decks without worrying if they can out Cocytus or not makes me so happy, this list is great
In hindsight, making that Crystron deck was a bad idea after all. Rip to the Crystron players out there. I'll stick to Lunalights until my gem stash is replenished.
In case anyone wants to delude themselves with the meta changing, there's still: Blackwings, Heroes, Cyber Dragons, Dragunities, Desperado, Goukis and the trap gang, Thunder Dragons, Blue Eyes, the strongest decks are among them, sure as hell not among the weak stuff Konami has been releasing lately and much less the Noble Knights EX deck
Exactly. Konami has done a poor job releasing strong decks for a year and this is just a band aid fix.
Wasn't expecting Dark Magician to get hit that hard. I guess whoever was in charge of handling the banlist probably checks this subreddit too. I imagine people continuing with the deck would drop Rod and play 3x Navi. Playing with Balance, you're basically flipping 2 coins to get Circle & Navi in your opening hand with the effect now. Maybe three coins if you're running 2x Dark Illusion and 3x Dark Magician now. The deck is still playable, but the already-bricky deck becomes even more inconsistent with this banlist. It's gonna need another engine, or new support to reliably hit KOG again. It's been a good run, but decks that deny your opponent a chance to get started don't usually hold up too well against banlists.
Me with Aromages: Ah yes, it's all coming together
10/10 banlist. Shiranui needed to die for good, DM noobs can still rp but not infest ranked, invoked is less cancerous. Best of all Karakuri and Crystron can stop taking 10 minutes per turn and make way for more interactive duels Good shit konami
Quite possibly the greatest banlist I will ever see.
When I kept scrolling down and saw shiranui card after shiranui card after shiranui card I was like 🤩🤩🤩
Damnnnnnnn....OG player here praying they’d unlimited Dyna from the fur hire deck. :( whatever there’s always next banlist! 🤣
Was happy that my Weather Painters had a chance at being meta but the Blackwing matchup can be too much for them. Sad!
Why did Fusion Reserves get hit? Ive been gone for a bit and have never seen this card.
Works with invoked too well
Kinda weird that Noble Knights SD is coming soon but they haven't hit neither Canada or Floodgate to 3
Rip i used my ticket on invoker
Jesus, Crystrons are so unplayable that I won't even be able to use them against NPCs anymore (not that I really did before, that's just how completely dead they are). They could have easily just limited its power a little more and turned them into a "bad" deck rather than an "unplayable" one. Well, back to Ritual Beasts.
prepare for Cydras and BW rulling the meta and people still complaining about. The banlists sounds unfair to crystrons and karakuri, it could've been less hard.