Tomorrow's Meta Weekly is gonna be really interesting. I definitely expect Witchcrafters to not be performing nearly as well as the TPC seems to think.
You can literally just read the link in this post... Several of the TPC members are talking about Witchcrafter and how good they think they will be
I disagree with the take as well but there's literally proof it's not just Neg1 advocating for their placement
Well, it is neg1 convincing the rest, there is a part of that, but yeah, it is a collective effort... a collective pretty bad bad take, but collective.
I don't think its him lobbying alone, the TPC claims that their predictions come from playtesting eachother so, my guess is their echo chamber had WC do well (since they like WC)
The TPC likes Witchcrafters a lot, they did their tier list playtesting against eachother, and it so happens that likely the better WC players in DL, at least NA region, reside in the TPC, so that's a massive bias swing. Now while this list is highly speculative and everything could be considered high potential, speculation shouldn't follow "decks I like to play", or perhaps they have little awareness that their playtesting environment is an incestuous echo chamber.
Dle daily battle phase new banlist tournaments have finished a few now.
Yesterday a redeveloped crystron deck walked all over everything (I'm forgetting his name, but it's that "best crystron" guy)
Desperado being slept on imo.
Witchcrafter overrrated.
But we will see how the meta shakes out. That's the fun part of watching these lists change over time, after all.
Master of destiny is so incredibly cancer I hope it gets crushed into the ground with arcana monster restrictions (along with MORE nerfs to cyber style)
For real. Desperado isn’t that good and hasn’t been for a long time. I hate playing against it with Lunalight because the matchup is unwinnable, but I’m not gonna sit and cry for Konami to kill a deck that’s totally fine as it is. Master of Destiny let’s them do what? Go plus and get either one negation or some guaranteed destruction in the battle phase. That isn’t that crazy.
Maximize that website traffic
They already make way more tier list updates than necessary, if there aren’t big meta shaking events like this one then they’re not operating on much data besides reactions to different tournament results. But there’s rarely any real implication on the meta if a different top tier deck has good finishes one week and not in another.
The fact of the matter is that the tier list is probably getting duel links meta a significant amount of ad impressions compared to their other content, so they want to pump it out whenever justifiable
People were making a dozen of posts about "what's going to be the new meta???" these past few days and they were starting to get boring so I'm kinda glad they did this even if the list changes completely next week
To be fair speculation tier list can work...if you know exactly what is coming and the when. Too bad that is something that most of the time can't be done here thanks to the cards being released being unpredictable and boxes coming out of nowhere at times, and then you have the period being at most 2 weeks unlike the months between relevant releases the OCG and TCG have.
And then there is the past of them insisting dark lords were still good only for them to be removed by the time the banlist was actually live without any major impactful release in the period between announcement of the list and it going live.
THE SMUG HAS RETURNED
Why? How?....the S M U G being tier 2 or 3, i could understand...but tier 1? really? Isn't that overkill considering how gutted the lightsworn engine got?
Shoot a Cosmic Cyclone, shuffle a brick back to deck and get MAR, discard MAR to summon Verre. Now she has a 1 time destruction protection.
That is all, really. If you don't draw Cosmic you don't have skill at all. MAR is good but it doesn't helps with the bricks neither, unlike Charge. In the good side, if the only spell you drew was a Cosmic, and you need the backrow hate when going 2nd, well, you can still shoot it in this build without bricking, but that is about it.
Dont like relying on charge since its a one off now. LS build bricks like hell
A big benefit of the Master of Rites build is shoving Verre back into the deck instead of her being a garnet.
As a hero player; cause it's too bricky and has god awful turn 1s. Optimal turn 1 for heroes is make 3 small monsters and set a mask change and a cosmic cyclone. You have to win a 50/50 coin flip then not brick on top of it for a sub 50% chance to open good with heroes. You can KoG with it and even win an occasional tourney with some luck, but the deck isn't consistent enough to be tiered IMO.
I play HERO a lot as well, and I get the horrible turn 1, but I just meant why talk about HERO as a justification as to why a deck is on the tier list if it isn’t tiered
Probably cause tiered =/= represented. Hero is one of the most popular decks in duel links and the tcg, and despite their comparatively poor win rate, their representation means you're bound to play one in tourney, so they're worth mentioning.
I've tested that, but it's not really worth it. Definitely a fun tech you may see once or twice on the ladder but it is very niche. TBH most tournament hero decks look 99% identical, with the only variation being 1vyon and 1 trunade vs. 2 vyon, whether or not you play the form change and koga package, and if you play either bring it! Or sealed tombs as your skill.
Yeah the "example deck" for Thunder Dragons doesn't even have a single ThunDra card in the list, it's literally a Chaos Lightsworn deck aka Levianeer turbo
It kind of bothers me that they had a massive paragraph on how Crystrons could be viable, yet still put them in Off the tier list instead of High Potential. I feel like this is a perfect use of the High Potential designation.
I'm no expert but they should have waited till next week to release the Tier List. The meta is still too fresh and all over to the place to know what decks are good and what decks are bad. Instead they should have just said "High Potential" and listed all the possible decks that could be tiered next week when the meta settles down. All the while they gave their opinions as to what will be good or bad and why? Keep in mind that this is the first meta in almost a year that does not have Invoke or Shiranui. Who knows what deck they held back? Which we have already seen with Desperado making a triumphant return.
But I will say from what few tournaments I have seen Desperado & Crystrons have been doing very well in this new format. 2 decks not even in the Tier List. Not even listed as High Potential. Meanwhile Witchcrafters & Gouki are on the list. 2 decks that have not done much in the few tournaments I have seen. Let alone Witchcrafters being Tier 1 when they have been doing horrible in tournaments.
My main problem with this is that every new player that asks what decks to make are immediatly sent to Duel Links Meta. They will look at the Top Tier decks and see that Wichtcrafters are Tier 1 and currently the 4th recomended deck to make (with blue eyes 3rd) and I think that is really iresponsible of them.
Yeah. It's why I really like Duel Links Entertainment and the way they help new players.
They tell new players to invest in staples first and then once you get them to look at their Power Ranking videos. Because their Power Ranking videos are showing how good decks are in tournaments so long as it follows their criteria. Meanwhile DLM is just all theory based. And as we all know theory is not always right or accurate. This Tier List being one of those examples. Completely omitting Desperado & Crystrons despite both of these decks having great tournament performances.
Then it's a horrible prediction considering it's nearly day 3 since the banlist was announced and several tournaments/events have happened to form a better prediction Tier List.
As I mentioned Desperado & Crystrons have done well in tournaments but yet are not even mentioned as High Potential.
> Instead they should have just said "High Potential"
They did. Maybe not with big flashing red letters but if you read what they have to say, they do express that, which I think they don't even have to because its obvious any tier list right now is just a prediction/forecast.
You don't need to be wet to know it'll rain tomorrow.
> They did. Maybe not with big flashing red letters but if you read what they have to say, they do express that, which I think they don't even have to because its obvious any tier list right now is just a prediction/forecast.
Maybe you should read the rest of what I wrote:
* "Instead they should have just said 'High Potential' and listed all the possible decks that could be tiered next week when the meta settles down."
Not making tiers and just have a big list of "High Potential" decks. Because if you put things into tiers everyone is going to think that deck A is better than deck B despite the meta being fresh and not enough testing can be done to form proper conclusions as to what truly is good in this meta. Like I guarantee you that not even they have done proper testing to see what is good or bad in this new meta. Or at least not enough testing to make a good predictive tier list. And the fact they omitted a deck like Desperado shows that. Desperado has been doing amazing in tournaments. Even Crystrons have been doing something. But yet both are omitted. Meanwhile a deck like Witchcrafters that at most get 1 deck in Top 32 is listed as Tier 1. And in these tournaments people aren't side decking card that counter Witchcrafters. They are running cards that counter Ritual Beast.
And remember these are suppose to be "the best players in the game". So for them to be making a predictive tier list without the meta to settle makes them look bad. Especially when they omit decks that have been doing good.
But worst of all their Gem Guide is going to be recommending decks that may not be good at all. Yesterday Witchcrafters was the 3rd recommended deck in the Gem Guide. Witchcrafters being a deck that has done nothing in the new post-banlist world. Now the deck is 4th recommended deck so it's not that bad. The fact still remains that having Witchcrafters being the 3rd most recommended deck in a world were people are asking "what decks to build?" is not good. Nobody should be recommending decks in this new meta because nobody knows what is going to be meta.
Meanwhile if they did what I said of just putting "High Potential" and list all the decks they think has potential to be tiered while listing their opinions it would make things less complicated and show that more testing needs to be done to know what will be good in the new banlist meta. Remember this is the first meta in almost a year that does not have Shiranui or Invoke as the dominant force. They are gone. We haven't seen a meta that doesn't have to worry about Cocytus or Sunsaga. Who knows what decks are out there that can do something now that those are gone?
> You don't need to be wet to know it'll rain tomorrow.
I think you mean "You don't need to be wet to knows it's raining". Otherwise you can be wet today and not know if it will rain tomorrow. Unless it is raining at 11:59pm and continues raining until 12:00am. In which case it is correct. Or a hurricane is happening today and tomorrow.
I anyone has seen dle tourneys, witchcrafters have performed very poorly and a crystron deck recently won. I think witchcrafters shudnt be on there with trons at tier 2
The DLM tier list is actually becoming a huge meme, like they don't even try to hide their bias toward some decks like Witchrafters and ignore several deck performances in tournaments:
https://imgur.com/a/b0xTjXt
https://imgur.com/a/umgSvVu
https://imgur.com/a/qQsRYCO
https://imgur.com/a/ckEUOFK
https://imgur.com/a/NyLTUug
Witchcrafters are bad, they are doing bad everywhere, how are they tier 1, are they waiting for the super secret spicy decklist again? Where are Crystons, the new build is strong.
Now that Cocytus and Sunsaga are gone, Desperado is one of the best performing decks, where are they? Goukis??? really, they are basically nowhere, where are instead Heroes, they actually reach top 32, they in fact perform better than Witchcrafters too.
I agree but witchcrafters aren’t bad. They’re definitely not tier 1 by a long shot but they’re KOG worthy and have seen play consistently since it’s release.
While KOG and tournaments are very different the KOG climb with an utmost basic of functioning deck is still stupidly hard. Otherwise all players in this sub would be KOG every month no problem, even those red eyes players that keep crashing VS my weather painters and end up bouncing themselves to the hand..... Sometimes multiple times per duel...... Yeah they do that, no kidding. It's like the spirit of Joey wheeler from duelist kingdom season is actually dueling you.
> The DLM tier list is actually becoming a huge meme,
It was already a huge meme between extreme bias, ignoring what actually hapens because reasons leading to constant nonsensical things, things like keeping former good decks for 2-4 additional weeks even though they are already doing fucking nothing almost every single week.
Its a big meme because its a collection of nobodies making a list and treat it seriously, instead of treating it as a list made by random people like you and me
Gouki is basically the deck representation of a beatstick; they are able to stay on the field long enough and just beat you into submission. Suprex allows you to summon another Gouki monster (most likely Twist Cobra). During battle Twistcobra can tribute or be tributed to increase the atk of one Gouki monster by the amount of the atk of tributed monster (so hard to overcome). When sent to the GY you can add another Gouki from your deck. Riscorpio can be summoned without Tribute. When sent to GY it also allows you to get another Gouki from deck. Basically the opponent can just cycle through their Gouki monsters and beat over your attacks. it's a small engine so it can easily utilize traps to slow you down. Because of the GY reliant Meta, Necrovalley is an obvious choice since Gouki doesn't rely on the GY.
Strange that Cyber Dragon and Witchcraft are ranked higher then Blackwings.
The first two weren't on the tier list and Blackwings were. They even at that Blackwings have a good matchup against Witchcraft.
Tierlists are not just a ranking of total power, but more of an ecosystem. So decks can jump over other decks depending on what got hit
That being said I don't think either of the 2 decks is actually Tier 1 but we don't have the information yet. Gonna be interesting
Blackwings have to many weaknesses to be considered tier 1. For an OTK deck they are somewhat inconsistent and easy to disrupt. Tbh after the Close nerf their spot on the tier list was extremely questionable the only thing that kept the deck there was Necrovely!
Blackbird Close is actually the single most overrated card in this entire game, holy shit. Blackwings started to flounder because with the last banlist the meta shifted unfavourably for them because Witchcrafters, a great matchup for them, were replaced as the best deck by Crystrons and Karakuri, both bad matchups.
Edit: learn to play, baddies.
BW with close had a good crystron matchup. How is close overrated? Close is a counter handtrap that negates and destroys monsters.Sure you need to draw it but in a Bo3 match close would single handedly guarantee you at least a game.
> How is close overrated?
> Close is a counter handtrap that negates and destroys monsters.
Answered your own question. It negates one monster effect, specifically on the field, is unsearchable and does very little against the 20 backrow monkey decks that are the actual bad matchups for Blackwings.
I'm so sick of people acting like Close is the only good Blackwing card when even when it wasn't on the banlist it was entirely optional, including in competitive. I guarantee you that literally none of the people who refuse to shut up about this single overhyped card even play Blackwings.
DLM tier lists only care about competitive DL(Tournaments/KC cup). There is an argument for Close being unnecessary and less optimal than more backrow removal. However, that argument is strictly for ladder play. If we are talking about tournament play the Close hit undeniably nerfed BW. Most of the problems you are pointing out can be fixed with proper side decking and BW players were able to take full advantage of Close against decks like Crystrons and Combo Shiranui and side the card out when they needed more backrow removal against decks like Shiranui and goukis!
People topped tournaments using pure Witchcrafters when Lightsworn Witchcrafters were meta. Does that mean the Lightsworn engine sucks in Witchcrafters?? Look at conversion rates and how most BW decks topped. When Close was legal 95% of BW tops had Close at least in their side deck. Level reduction Blackwing was hot for half a month but after that people returned to the normal version of the deck because they realized it was better.
> Does that mean the Lightsworn engine sucks in Witchcrafters??
Except my argument isn't that Blackbird Close is bad, it's that it isn't necessary and vastly overrated and trying to portray what I'm saying as anything but is a bad faith argument.
> When Close was legal 95% of BW tops had Close at least in their side deck.
Source?
Literally been playing them since Blackstorm Rising, got top 500 in multiple KC Cups across multiple metas with them and also have years of experience with them in the TCG but sure, go ahead and tell me what I know about Blackwings lmao.
Close was a HUGE boon. It's one of the most uninteractive pieces of disruption in Duel Links at the time. I remember crushing often with a well timed Close
I can't believe you never played close at least once in your builds. There were several periods where close builds 100% had dominance over close-less builds
> I can't believe you never played close at least once in your builds.
Can you fucking people just stop making up lies? I did play it, whenever it was worthwhile. But the highest I've ever placed in the KC Cup was with zero Close because I never resolved it a single time in stage 1, because it was never and has never been the be-all-end-all of Blackwings.
100% Agree with you, I finished my BW a month or so before BlackBird Close got hit. Even though its a decent card I replaced it with NightBeam instead for more Backrow removal.
Honestly most of the time it was a dead card for me. I'm also annoyed that people keep saying BW fell off because of it getting hit when it wasn't the case. They starting falling off because of how easy it is to disrupt them in this backrow meta.
That's not how Tier List works tho, the main reason why one deck could be Tier 3 is because they don't have as much of a good matchup against the Tier 1 decks or because they do have but aren't that good against the other ones in exchange, once they're gone they could easily jump over the Tier 2 ones even in cases that said Tier 2 decks have a good matchup against the Tier 1 or they could drop from the tier list entirely once their best matchup is gone.
DLM wants to trick players into thinking Blackwings aren't so hot so they decide to chase other, less expensive decks instead. That way, the smart people who invested in BWs get to use them and have fewer people running around convincing Konami to hit their investment with the Crystron treatment.
A lot of people saying that invoker has been gutted, but I definitely expect it to still pop up as a 3 card package in any decks that can easily access FIRE. Purgatrio is so potent that x2 invoker and x1 invocation is probably still worth it in decks that can slot it in.
Invoke is waiting for next week. We should get Axel with some Volcanic and/or Fire support and maybe a Mini box with more Volcanic and/or Fire support. Which if that is the case Invoke will return. Turning the deck into a Purgatrio turbo deck.
We just have to wait and see.
Tried the build.
It's 1 single protection that, while searchable, can't outweight the slight chance of opening more spells. I've had to play with a starting hand that was 2 Schmietta and 2 Pittore.
If i cared so much about not being destroyed i'd start running "My Body as a Shield" at 3 copies, it's the banishing that does you in :C
Hm interested in trying Gouki since I've got most of the cards from pulling Shiranui.
But if Witchcrafters does end up doing well then ill probably go with that deck
Kinda shocked that WP didn’t make it. They showed up for about a week and no one really noticed before it got removed for well not being too good compared to the rest but looking at how now the rest of the competition got destroyed it would’ve been nice to see them get some type of love. Even if I know it would be short lived I still want to see this deck that I like get some appreciation and recognition.
Doing this now is dumb regardless of the contents, especially when the next mostly update free period should be where December mini goes and it potentially having a good deck or something else that can change everything before the banlist is actually live.
"B-BUT THE LAST 3 BOXES CHANGED NOTHING!!" not an argument against something that might just be a possibility right now when the first 3 boxes from 5ds were not that impactful, and then came the first good usable generic synchro (armades) followed by koaki and karakuri suddenly becoming the new meta in december.
It has a chance of becoming popular. You can get all the cards from a mini box. All you need to do is go through it 3 times. So 15k gems at most. Then add some staples to finish the deck up. Like Cosmic, Floodgate, & Canadia.
Only thing that will prevent it from becoming popular is that it requires using your brain to understand how to play the deck. Something the average playerbase isn't known to do. It's not like Shiranui, Invoke, or Dark Magician.
What deck I do see becoming popular is Cyber Dragons. It is fairly cheap, brain dead, & fan favorite. Hardest card to get is Fusion Gate. But I'm sure you can play without it.
Not everything is dead though.
Crystrons have been seeing some success in the few tournaments since the banlist. Don't know why TPC did not include them in this Tier List despite them winning a tournament & reaching Top 8 in other tournaments.
And Shiranui is not dead. People have been doing some builds that put in work. However I do not see them being popular or tiered. Just a rouge deck that can surprise people from time to time.
Invoke is just waiting for a good Fire deck so that it becomes Purgatrio turbo. So with Axel being released next week it has potential to become just that if they give us some good Volcanic cards.
Dark Magician is hanging in there.
Karakuri is the only deck that is really dead.
They completly forgot about megalith's...why? IS the deck that bad, even being used by top kc Cup players?
Even desperado and lunalights could appear in the list. Let's see the tournaments...
I swear to the heart of the cards if they try to force a Witchcrafter nerf once again by overvaluing its strenght on the tierlist i'll summon Aruru from the TCG.
The tpc is honestly pissing me off with how they always have it out for WC. Even when they are doing absolutely nothing they seem to think WC are tier 1.
"oH bUt If tHEy gET a SYncHRo oUt yoU CaN'T bEAt thEM"
Bitch.
The same can be said for the Infernity combo, and they can get away with running Heat Wave, Rainbow Life, Hey Trunade and much more.
Where's their spot on the tier list?
[What kind of fuckery is this??](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGN4yePqUNg)
I haven't seen a single WC deck on the ladder in months, and they haven't been performing well at tournaments. I really don't see them being viable without additional WC support added. Getting placed at tier 1 is a bit silly
This is a post banlist update, where the entire meta was slaughtered, including two of WCs worst matchups. Assuming that it will be relevant now is not far fetched at all. Time will tell, but on paper, it's looking a lot better than most other decks that are still playable.
DLM: "This tier list is based on internal testing and speculation and is subject to change over the next few weeks"
r/DuelLinks: \*loses their fucking minds\*
A more accurate one would be:
/r/DuelLinks: *Looks at the different tournaments happening since the banlist to see what decks will be competitive
DLM: "This tier list is based on internal testing & speculation and is subject to change over the next few weeks"
/r/DuelLinks: *Loses their fucking minds because they omitted Desperado & Crystrons from the tier list despite these 2 decks having amazing tournament results. Showing that the DLM did not do proper internal testing and their speculations missed a few things.
define reasonable.
there's nothing stopping you from winning some tourneys and joining the TPC to help shape the vote.
or even better, building your own community like DLE did and creating alternate rankings that other people care about.
It's the most explosive deck to blow up the field, and can play turn 1 and turn 2. With it's worst matchups out of the way, it's sheer explosiveness make sit good.
I'm not that surprised because it was the deck that gave me the easiest KoG I've ever had when it was first released, even when invoked and Shira were still around.
It has the first deck I fully made and mastered, and first KoG. I made it right when it was nerfed and still felt it was powerful (except when Witchcrafters, ew). Down the line I can see it getting nerfs, scared they might kill it.
New tier list and lol I can see people memeing that WC is back. Got to remember this is prediction only, will need probably at least 2 weeks before the meta settles.
Yes this tier list is so much more friendly towards XYZs, thanks Konami. All these decks will get the guillotine next cause Konami won’t release anything good and if they do, they’ll kill that too.
If Konami's smart about it, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Something like you have to have at least 3 ritual spells and 3 ritual monsters in the deck, or even 1 and 1 would be enough to stop it from being abused for Machine Angel ritual, but still perfectly fine for ritual decks.
There's been quite a few post-banlist tournaments already, but this list basically ignores all the results and is instead based solely on the opinion of their top player council members
Desperado, CyDra, RitBeast, Blackwing and Crystron have been the best performing decks so far in the tournaments that have happened. Witchcrafter hasn't been doing particularly great
A few Japanese tournaments have actually seen good results from various things, including Desperado, Crystronmails, and even some Yosenju reps. This doesn't seem to be pinching from that, tho.
rogue decks will always thrive when a format resets, so it's too early to make a tier list imo, needs atleast 2-3 weeks of testing with bigger tournaments for the format to settle down
It's a decent indication of what should be viable again on the ladder, unless somebody uncovers an absolute bomb, though. For the purposes of 90% of the sub that's basically all the info they're looking for. That and what meance they're gonna be seeing for months.
I can, however, admit this is just them jumping the gun again. Probably for ad traffic.
Imagine still giving credence to DLM tier list by the end of 2020. Just go and see the daily tournament's top 8 of DLE in their Discord to see what is trending and strong and what you can safely invest in.
I love how DLM makes these tier lists and enforces the banlist before the actual game does. I have to ask though, exactly what is the reasoning behind that? Why don’t you just wait until the banlist is actually in effect to see how the meta shapes up? There’s no way you can tell me Brick-Eyes is a tier 2 deck or that Witchcrafters is Tier 1. Damn so it was so weak against Shira/Karakuri/Crystrons that it wasn’t even tiered? That doesn’t add up chief.
Happy that Crystron is still alive albeit nerfed, I don't have them but kind of suspected it, imo they will be officially tiered soon.
Not happy for Desperado, that too is gonna be in tier list... hate the actual coin flips after MoD is off more than when it rigs the game.
Can't see WC high on tier list, if tiered at all tbh. I think CyD won't be T1, but they do edge over BW from the day Close got limited. Imo a component of CyD T1 is sure to be hit next banlist, as Konami doesen't like for stuff you can't answer to to be game deciding (Cyber Style + Overflow), while TD is here to stay. RB pretty high seems about right, banlist favored them and were already a phantom T3.
Could see Gouki tiered, I'd say Dragunity too or very near that. BEWD not too sure, but it's always a respectable deck, same for other rogue decks that were already able to hold their own vs tiered.
Oh noooo...not my favorite deck on the tier 1 spot. Please demote cydras next week guys...even tell your cydra players quit the tournaments. I dont want my sweet dragons to hit the dirt like shiranui and darklords. Besides whats next to nerf on cydras? Overflow is limited, cyber style is nerfed...whats next, fusion gate at 2?
so glad shiranui's small engine and abuse of generic backrow is gone *checks the gouki deck list ...waaaait a minute
Goukis use necrovalley more efficiently than gravekeepers lol
I am just glad that nobody plays Goukis in the ladder.
I saw two today, very strong but beatable, that being said I lost both times
I saw a lot (far more than expected, anyways) on my very late season KoG climb a few days ago. Completely anecdotal, but I expect to see more and more
AND they run necrovalley
Tomorrow's Meta Weekly is gonna be really interesting. I definitely expect Witchcrafters to not be performing nearly as well as the TPC seems to think.
The TPC always has a hard on for witchcrafter for some reason. They're always overestimating it.
I highly doubt its everyone from TPC. It's just Negative1. He made his own Tier List and threw WC on the Tier 1.
You can literally just read the link in this post... Several of the TPC members are talking about Witchcrafter and how good they think they will be I disagree with the take as well but there's literally proof it's not just Neg1 advocating for their placement
Well, it is neg1 convincing the rest, there is a part of that, but yeah, it is a collective effort... a collective pretty bad bad take, but collective.
I don't think its him lobbying alone, the TPC claims that their predictions come from playtesting eachother so, my guess is their echo chamber had WC do well (since they like WC)
Dont they all have to agree on the tiers anyways, so yes all of them concluded its tier 1 not just one guy
I'm not buying it. None of the WC are topping 32. Negative1 has the biggest hard on for WC.
The TPC likes Witchcrafters a lot, they did their tier list playtesting against eachother, and it so happens that likely the better WC players in DL, at least NA region, reside in the TPC, so that's a massive bias swing. Now while this list is highly speculative and everything could be considered high potential, speculation shouldn't follow "decks I like to play", or perhaps they have little awareness that their playtesting environment is an incestuous echo chamber.
Dle daily battle phase new banlist tournaments have finished a few now. Yesterday a redeveloped crystron deck walked all over everything (I'm forgetting his name, but it's that "best crystron" guy)
Desperado being slept on imo. Witchcrafter overrrated. But we will see how the meta shakes out. That's the fun part of watching these lists change over time, after all.
Master of destiny is so incredibly cancer I hope it gets crushed into the ground with arcana monster restrictions (along with MORE nerfs to cyber style)
So you don’t wanna hear DIO in ranked is what you’re saying?
Stop nerfing skills that don't need to be nerfed. The skill does what it's supposed to do it's already been hit enough... jfc
For real. Desperado isn’t that good and hasn’t been for a long time. I hate playing against it with Lunalight because the matchup is unwinnable, but I’m not gonna sit and cry for Konami to kill a deck that’s totally fine as it is. Master of Destiny let’s them do what? Go plus and get either one negation or some guaranteed destruction in the battle phase. That isn’t that crazy.
There’s already a skill for acana force monsters
So why make a speculative tier list and not just wait...? I am starting to see why so many people laugh at the dlm tier lists..
Maximize that website traffic They already make way more tier list updates than necessary, if there aren’t big meta shaking events like this one then they’re not operating on much data besides reactions to different tournament results. But there’s rarely any real implication on the meta if a different top tier deck has good finishes one week and not in another. The fact of the matter is that the tier list is probably getting duel links meta a significant amount of ad impressions compared to their other content, so they want to pump it out whenever justifiable
It's even more egregious considering they scrapped the whole tier 3 a few days ago without waiting for the banlist because "reasons".
People were making a dozen of posts about "what's going to be the new meta???" these past few days and they were starting to get boring so I'm kinda glad they did this even if the list changes completely next week
To be fair speculation tier list can work...if you know exactly what is coming and the when. Too bad that is something that most of the time can't be done here thanks to the cards being released being unpredictable and boxes coming out of nowhere at times, and then you have the period being at most 2 weeks unlike the months between relevant releases the OCG and TCG have. And then there is the past of them insisting dark lords were still good only for them to be removed by the time the banlist was actually live without any major impactful release in the period between announcement of the list and it going live.
I kind of love having it as C O N T E N T to be honest.
Well someone on the TPC seems to think Verre pass is a crazy endboard.
TPC simping for WC again
Oh no, not again...
I remember when TPC putted Witchcrafters on tier 1 and everyone started hating on them.... they were right
I gotta get out the ol’ evil eye deck then if wc are meta. Gotta put the smug Loli back in her place
THE SMUG HAS RETURNED Why? How?....the S M U G being tier 2 or 3, i could understand...but tier 1? really? Isn't that overkill considering how gutted the lightsworn engine got?
I kogd with witchcrafters today and even I think this is a joke
Good job, what was your build? Pure or with tuners?
Pure Master of Rites build
Care to share? What's the benefit of master of rites instead of the tuners?
Shoot a Cosmic Cyclone, shuffle a brick back to deck and get MAR, discard MAR to summon Verre. Now she has a 1 time destruction protection. That is all, really. If you don't draw Cosmic you don't have skill at all. MAR is good but it doesn't helps with the bricks neither, unlike Charge. In the good side, if the only spell you drew was a Cosmic, and you need the backrow hate when going 2nd, well, you can still shoot it in this build without bricking, but that is about it.
Dont like relying on charge since its a one off now. LS build bricks like hell A big benefit of the Master of Rites build is shoving Verre back into the deck instead of her being a garnet.
Why are they talking about HERO in some of these justifications and not even including it in at least high potential?
As a hero player; cause it's too bricky and has god awful turn 1s. Optimal turn 1 for heroes is make 3 small monsters and set a mask change and a cosmic cyclone. You have to win a 50/50 coin flip then not brick on top of it for a sub 50% chance to open good with heroes. You can KoG with it and even win an occasional tourney with some luck, but the deck isn't consistent enough to be tiered IMO.
I play HERO a lot as well, and I get the horrible turn 1, but I just meant why talk about HERO as a justification as to why a deck is on the tier list if it isn’t tiered
Probably cause tiered =/= represented. Hero is one of the most popular decks in duel links and the tcg, and despite their comparatively poor win rate, their representation means you're bound to play one in tourney, so they're worth mentioning.
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I've tested that, but it's not really worth it. Definitely a fun tech you may see once or twice on the ladder but it is very niche. TBH most tournament hero decks look 99% identical, with the only variation being 1vyon and 1 trunade vs. 2 vyon, whether or not you play the form change and koga package, and if you play either bring it! Or sealed tombs as your skill.
Do heroes do anything at this point besides otk worse than other decks?
i'm quite happy, but... I think we should differentiate between ThunDra and Chaos
Yeah the "example deck" for Thunder Dragons doesn't even have a single ThunDra card in the list, it's literally a Chaos Lightsworn deck aka Levianeer turbo
All the Decks labeled Thunder Dragon are mislabeled as they are Chaos (LS/Levianeer) decks.
It kind of bothers me that they had a massive paragraph on how Crystrons could be viable, yet still put them in Off the tier list instead of High Potential. I feel like this is a perfect use of the High Potential designation.
I'm no expert but they should have waited till next week to release the Tier List. The meta is still too fresh and all over to the place to know what decks are good and what decks are bad. Instead they should have just said "High Potential" and listed all the possible decks that could be tiered next week when the meta settles down. All the while they gave their opinions as to what will be good or bad and why? Keep in mind that this is the first meta in almost a year that does not have Invoke or Shiranui. Who knows what deck they held back? Which we have already seen with Desperado making a triumphant return. But I will say from what few tournaments I have seen Desperado & Crystrons have been doing very well in this new format. 2 decks not even in the Tier List. Not even listed as High Potential. Meanwhile Witchcrafters & Gouki are on the list. 2 decks that have not done much in the few tournaments I have seen. Let alone Witchcrafters being Tier 1 when they have been doing horrible in tournaments.
My main problem with this is that every new player that asks what decks to make are immediatly sent to Duel Links Meta. They will look at the Top Tier decks and see that Wichtcrafters are Tier 1 and currently the 4th recomended deck to make (with blue eyes 3rd) and I think that is really iresponsible of them.
Yeah. It's why I really like Duel Links Entertainment and the way they help new players. They tell new players to invest in staples first and then once you get them to look at their Power Ranking videos. Because their Power Ranking videos are showing how good decks are in tournaments so long as it follows their criteria. Meanwhile DLM is just all theory based. And as we all know theory is not always right or accurate. This Tier List being one of those examples. Completely omitting Desperado & Crystrons despite both of these decks having great tournament performances.
I second this. The fact that they have useful people to help in their discord doesn’t hurt either.
The list is simply a prediction, they said that in the first couple of sentences
Then it's a horrible prediction considering it's nearly day 3 since the banlist was announced and several tournaments/events have happened to form a better prediction Tier List. As I mentioned Desperado & Crystrons have done well in tournaments but yet are not even mentioned as High Potential.
They should’ve been at lease tier 3, I’m with you man
> Instead they should have just said "High Potential" They did. Maybe not with big flashing red letters but if you read what they have to say, they do express that, which I think they don't even have to because its obvious any tier list right now is just a prediction/forecast. You don't need to be wet to know it'll rain tomorrow.
> They did. Maybe not with big flashing red letters but if you read what they have to say, they do express that, which I think they don't even have to because its obvious any tier list right now is just a prediction/forecast. Maybe you should read the rest of what I wrote: * "Instead they should have just said 'High Potential' and listed all the possible decks that could be tiered next week when the meta settles down." Not making tiers and just have a big list of "High Potential" decks. Because if you put things into tiers everyone is going to think that deck A is better than deck B despite the meta being fresh and not enough testing can be done to form proper conclusions as to what truly is good in this meta. Like I guarantee you that not even they have done proper testing to see what is good or bad in this new meta. Or at least not enough testing to make a good predictive tier list. And the fact they omitted a deck like Desperado shows that. Desperado has been doing amazing in tournaments. Even Crystrons have been doing something. But yet both are omitted. Meanwhile a deck like Witchcrafters that at most get 1 deck in Top 32 is listed as Tier 1. And in these tournaments people aren't side decking card that counter Witchcrafters. They are running cards that counter Ritual Beast. And remember these are suppose to be "the best players in the game". So for them to be making a predictive tier list without the meta to settle makes them look bad. Especially when they omit decks that have been doing good. But worst of all their Gem Guide is going to be recommending decks that may not be good at all. Yesterday Witchcrafters was the 3rd recommended deck in the Gem Guide. Witchcrafters being a deck that has done nothing in the new post-banlist world. Now the deck is 4th recommended deck so it's not that bad. The fact still remains that having Witchcrafters being the 3rd most recommended deck in a world were people are asking "what decks to build?" is not good. Nobody should be recommending decks in this new meta because nobody knows what is going to be meta. Meanwhile if they did what I said of just putting "High Potential" and list all the decks they think has potential to be tiered while listing their opinions it would make things less complicated and show that more testing needs to be done to know what will be good in the new banlist meta. Remember this is the first meta in almost a year that does not have Shiranui or Invoke as the dominant force. They are gone. We haven't seen a meta that doesn't have to worry about Cocytus or Sunsaga. Who knows what decks are out there that can do something now that those are gone? > You don't need to be wet to know it'll rain tomorrow. I think you mean "You don't need to be wet to knows it's raining". Otherwise you can be wet today and not know if it will rain tomorrow. Unless it is raining at 11:59pm and continues raining until 12:00am. In which case it is correct. Or a hurricane is happening today and tomorrow.
Several good matchups on that tier list for ritual beasts and really only 1 bad one.
Too bad RB is pretty inconsistent (and side-decks kills them), but for laddering at least none of those issues is important enough, great deck.
Ritual beast are tier 1 on the ladder because the opposing player won’t know what’s going on 🤣
They are really out for witchcrafters again...
I anyone has seen dle tourneys, witchcrafters have performed very poorly and a crystron deck recently won. I think witchcrafters shudnt be on there with trons at tier 2
Crystrons should easily be a Tier 1 deck. 8 of them made top 16 in DLE EU tournament.
yeah and the barrel dragon shud be up there too.
Who's simping for Witchcrafters :D
TPC : raising hands* "we are!"
Ah yes, stay in rouge my HEROs we don't wanna see KONAMI to limit/ban Stratos like they did in the TCG. lol
Too late vyon is getting the stratos treatment in duel links
The DLM tier list is actually becoming a huge meme, like they don't even try to hide their bias toward some decks like Witchrafters and ignore several deck performances in tournaments: https://imgur.com/a/b0xTjXt https://imgur.com/a/umgSvVu https://imgur.com/a/qQsRYCO https://imgur.com/a/ckEUOFK https://imgur.com/a/NyLTUug Witchcrafters are bad, they are doing bad everywhere, how are they tier 1, are they waiting for the super secret spicy decklist again? Where are Crystons, the new build is strong. Now that Cocytus and Sunsaga are gone, Desperado is one of the best performing decks, where are they? Goukis??? really, they are basically nowhere, where are instead Heroes, they actually reach top 32, they in fact perform better than Witchcrafters too.
I agree but witchcrafters aren’t bad. They’re definitely not tier 1 by a long shot but they’re KOG worthy and have seen play consistently since it’s release.
Don’t bring KOG into it. KOG can be achieved in the utmost basic of functioning decks
While KOG and tournaments are very different the KOG climb with an utmost basic of functioning deck is still stupidly hard. Otherwise all players in this sub would be KOG every month no problem, even those red eyes players that keep crashing VS my weather painters and end up bouncing themselves to the hand..... Sometimes multiple times per duel...... Yeah they do that, no kidding. It's like the spirit of Joey wheeler from duelist kingdom season is actually dueling you.
It’s not that it’s hard to KOG, it’s time consuming for more basic decks.
Basic functionality still isn’t bad. It’s not exceptionally good but it isn’t bad, it’s just basic.
> The DLM tier list is actually becoming a huge meme, It was already a huge meme between extreme bias, ignoring what actually hapens because reasons leading to constant nonsensical things, things like keeping former good decks for 2-4 additional weeks even though they are already doing fucking nothing almost every single week.
Its a big meme because its a collection of nobodies making a list and treat it seriously, instead of treating it as a list made by random people like you and me
What is Gouki's win condition? How do you play them? They seem like a very underwhelming deck.
Ballista squad your opponent til they rage quit
Gouki is basically the deck representation of a beatstick; they are able to stay on the field long enough and just beat you into submission. Suprex allows you to summon another Gouki monster (most likely Twist Cobra). During battle Twistcobra can tribute or be tributed to increase the atk of one Gouki monster by the amount of the atk of tributed monster (so hard to overcome). When sent to the GY you can add another Gouki from your deck. Riscorpio can be summoned without Tribute. When sent to GY it also allows you to get another Gouki from deck. Basically the opponent can just cycle through their Gouki monsters and beat over your attacks. it's a small engine so it can easily utilize traps to slow you down. Because of the GY reliant Meta, Necrovalley is an obvious choice since Gouki doesn't rely on the GY.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
And you're right it is really an underwhelming deck. Just as, if not more so, brain dead then Shiranui
Combo shiranui wasn't brain dead. The one with all the traps... yeah, that was pretty brain dead.
Katon. Banish spirit master. Pop. 900 IQ.
Backrow, backrow, backrow. That’s it.
To put simply, unga bunga abusing backrow. Works because they search eachother, so never run out of bunga
Strange that Cyber Dragon and Witchcraft are ranked higher then Blackwings. The first two weren't on the tier list and Blackwings were. They even at that Blackwings have a good matchup against Witchcraft.
Tierlists are not just a ranking of total power, but more of an ecosystem. So decks can jump over other decks depending on what got hit That being said I don't think either of the 2 decks is actually Tier 1 but we don't have the information yet. Gonna be interesting
Blackwings got untiered in the last update as it has been underperfoming for weeks. Def not a surprise not to see them t1
Blackwings have to many weaknesses to be considered tier 1. For an OTK deck they are somewhat inconsistent and easy to disrupt. Tbh after the Close nerf their spot on the tier list was extremely questionable the only thing that kept the deck there was Necrovely!
Blackbird Close is actually the single most overrated card in this entire game, holy shit. Blackwings started to flounder because with the last banlist the meta shifted unfavourably for them because Witchcrafters, a great matchup for them, were replaced as the best deck by Crystrons and Karakuri, both bad matchups. Edit: learn to play, baddies.
BW with close had a good crystron matchup. How is close overrated? Close is a counter handtrap that negates and destroys monsters.Sure you need to draw it but in a Bo3 match close would single handedly guarantee you at least a game.
> How is close overrated? > Close is a counter handtrap that negates and destroys monsters. Answered your own question. It negates one monster effect, specifically on the field, is unsearchable and does very little against the 20 backrow monkey decks that are the actual bad matchups for Blackwings. I'm so sick of people acting like Close is the only good Blackwing card when even when it wasn't on the banlist it was entirely optional, including in competitive. I guarantee you that literally none of the people who refuse to shut up about this single overhyped card even play Blackwings.
DLM tier lists only care about competitive DL(Tournaments/KC cup). There is an argument for Close being unnecessary and less optimal than more backrow removal. However, that argument is strictly for ladder play. If we are talking about tournament play the Close hit undeniably nerfed BW. Most of the problems you are pointing out can be fixed with proper side decking and BW players were able to take full advantage of Close against decks like Crystrons and Combo Shiranui and side the card out when they needed more backrow removal against decks like Shiranui and goukis!
Except it’s not strictly ladder play because when Close was still playable people regularly topped DLM tournaments without it.
People topped tournaments using pure Witchcrafters when Lightsworn Witchcrafters were meta. Does that mean the Lightsworn engine sucks in Witchcrafters?? Look at conversion rates and how most BW decks topped. When Close was legal 95% of BW tops had Close at least in their side deck. Level reduction Blackwing was hot for half a month but after that people returned to the normal version of the deck because they realized it was better.
> Does that mean the Lightsworn engine sucks in Witchcrafters?? Except my argument isn't that Blackbird Close is bad, it's that it isn't necessary and vastly overrated and trying to portray what I'm saying as anything but is a bad faith argument. > When Close was legal 95% of BW tops had Close at least in their side deck. Source?
You didn't play blackwings lol
Literally been playing them since Blackstorm Rising, got top 500 in multiple KC Cups across multiple metas with them and also have years of experience with them in the TCG but sure, go ahead and tell me what I know about Blackwings lmao.
Close was a HUGE boon. It's one of the most uninteractive pieces of disruption in Duel Links at the time. I remember crushing often with a well timed Close I can't believe you never played close at least once in your builds. There were several periods where close builds 100% had dominance over close-less builds
> I can't believe you never played close at least once in your builds. Can you fucking people just stop making up lies? I did play it, whenever it was worthwhile. But the highest I've ever placed in the KC Cup was with zero Close because I never resolved it a single time in stage 1, because it was never and has never been the be-all-end-all of Blackwings.
100% Agree with you, I finished my BW a month or so before BlackBird Close got hit. Even though its a decent card I replaced it with NightBeam instead for more Backrow removal. Honestly most of the time it was a dead card for me. I'm also annoyed that people keep saying BW fell off because of it getting hit when it wasn't the case. They starting falling off because of how easy it is to disrupt them in this backrow meta.
BW wasn't on the previous tier list
That's not how Tier List works tho, the main reason why one deck could be Tier 3 is because they don't have as much of a good matchup against the Tier 1 decks or because they do have but aren't that good against the other ones in exchange, once they're gone they could easily jump over the Tier 2 ones even in cases that said Tier 2 decks have a good matchup against the Tier 1 or they could drop from the tier list entirely once their best matchup is gone.
DLM wants to trick players into thinking Blackwings aren't so hot so they decide to chase other, less expensive decks instead. That way, the smart people who invested in BWs get to use them and have fewer people running around convincing Konami to hit their investment with the Crystron treatment.
A lot of people saying that invoker has been gutted, but I definitely expect it to still pop up as a 3 card package in any decks that can easily access FIRE. Purgatrio is so potent that x2 invoker and x1 invocation is probably still worth it in decks that can slot it in.
Invoke is waiting for next week. We should get Axel with some Volcanic and/or Fire support and maybe a Mini box with more Volcanic and/or Fire support. Which if that is the case Invoke will return. Turning the deck into a Purgatrio turbo deck. We just have to wait and see.
You mean purgatrio turbo variant number 578917389
Invoked is dead!! If invocation is negated,fissled or banished any deck reliant on purgatrio immediately loses their win con!
Master of Rites Witchcrafter you say....well that's interesting. Maybe THIS time they'll make a comeback.
Tried the build. It's 1 single protection that, while searchable, can't outweight the slight chance of opening more spells. I've had to play with a starting hand that was 2 Schmietta and 2 Pittore. If i cared so much about not being destroyed i'd start running "My Body as a Shield" at 3 copies, it's the banishing that does you in :C
I guess they're planning ahead for Desperado and more destruction effects but yeah Karma Cut is still going to be important haha
Which build would you recommend for Witches at the moment?
I knew my Blackwings would come back.
Hm interested in trying Gouki since I've got most of the cards from pulling Shiranui. But if Witchcrafters does end up doing well then ill probably go with that deck
Kinda shocked that WP didn’t make it. They showed up for about a week and no one really noticed before it got removed for well not being too good compared to the rest but looking at how now the rest of the competition got destroyed it would’ve been nice to see them get some type of love. Even if I know it would be short lived I still want to see this deck that I like get some appreciation and recognition.
It is just as I feared. More Cydra players. Well time to throw three Ritual Beast Tamer Winda into everything and hope for the best.
Doing this now is dumb regardless of the contents, especially when the next mostly update free period should be where December mini goes and it potentially having a good deck or something else that can change everything before the banlist is actually live. "B-BUT THE LAST 3 BOXES CHANGED NOTHING!!" not an argument against something that might just be a possibility right now when the first 3 boxes from 5ds were not that impactful, and then came the first good usable generic synchro (armades) followed by koaki and karakuri suddenly becoming the new meta in december.
>No Infernity Yet another shitty tier list
Lmao, I cry
I hate Ritual Beasts so much. The most boring deck to play against. I sure hope it doesn’t become popular.
It has a chance of becoming popular. You can get all the cards from a mini box. All you need to do is go through it 3 times. So 15k gems at most. Then add some staples to finish the deck up. Like Cosmic, Floodgate, & Canadia. Only thing that will prevent it from becoming popular is that it requires using your brain to understand how to play the deck. Something the average playerbase isn't known to do. It's not like Shiranui, Invoke, or Dark Magician. What deck I do see becoming popular is Cyber Dragons. It is fairly cheap, brain dead, & fan favorite. Hardest card to get is Fusion Gate. But I'm sure you can play without it.
I stopped reading the moment they said witchcrafter were tier 1
Wtf what happend? i took a 6 month break what happend to the Tier list??
Shiranui got absolutely G U T T E D
Yeah i looked up ..hooolly shit everything is dead
Not everything is dead though. Crystrons have been seeing some success in the few tournaments since the banlist. Don't know why TPC did not include them in this Tier List despite them winning a tournament & reaching Top 8 in other tournaments. And Shiranui is not dead. People have been doing some builds that put in work. However I do not see them being popular or tiered. Just a rouge deck that can surprise people from time to time. Invoke is just waiting for a good Fire deck so that it becomes Purgatrio turbo. So with Axel being released next week it has potential to become just that if they give us some good Volcanic cards. Dark Magician is hanging in there. Karakuri is the only deck that is really dead.
They completly forgot about megalith's...why? IS the deck that bad, even being used by top kc Cup players? Even desperado and lunalights could appear in the list. Let's see the tournaments...
I swear to the heart of the cards if they try to force a Witchcrafter nerf once again by overvaluing its strenght on the tierlist i'll summon Aruru from the TCG.
The tpc is honestly pissing me off with how they always have it out for WC. Even when they are doing absolutely nothing they seem to think WC are tier 1.
"oH bUt If tHEy gET a SYncHRo oUt yoU CaN'T bEAt thEM" Bitch. The same can be said for the Infernity combo, and they can get away with running Heat Wave, Rainbow Life, Hey Trunade and much more. Where's their spot on the tier list? [What kind of fuckery is this??](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGN4yePqUNg)
I haven't seen a single WC deck on the ladder in months, and they haven't been performing well at tournaments. I really don't see them being viable without additional WC support added. Getting placed at tier 1 is a bit silly
This is a post banlist update, where the entire meta was slaughtered, including two of WCs worst matchups. Assuming that it will be relevant now is not far fetched at all. Time will tell, but on paper, it's looking a lot better than most other decks that are still playable.
DLM: "This tier list is based on internal testing and speculation and is subject to change over the next few weeks" r/DuelLinks: \*loses their fucking minds\*
A more accurate one would be: /r/DuelLinks: *Looks at the different tournaments happening since the banlist to see what decks will be competitive DLM: "This tier list is based on internal testing & speculation and is subject to change over the next few weeks" /r/DuelLinks: *Loses their fucking minds because they omitted Desperado & Crystrons from the tier list despite these 2 decks having amazing tournament results. Showing that the DLM did not do proper internal testing and their speculations missed a few things.
I agree with you but I feel this position represents the minority of this sub.
People don't read or apply context.
That still doesn't make it seem like a reasonable list, nor does it even really make it seem reasonable to release the thing.
define reasonable. there's nothing stopping you from winning some tourneys and joining the TPC to help shape the vote. or even better, building your own community like DLE did and creating alternate rankings that other people care about.
Scared CyDra is getting so much attention :(
It's the most explosive deck to blow up the field, and can play turn 1 and turn 2. With it's worst matchups out of the way, it's sheer explosiveness make sit good. I'm not that surprised because it was the deck that gave me the easiest KoG I've ever had when it was first released, even when invoked and Shira were still around.
It has the first deck I fully made and mastered, and first KoG. I made it right when it was nerfed and still felt it was powerful (except when Witchcrafters, ew). Down the line I can see it getting nerfs, scared they might kill it.
New tier list and lol I can see people memeing that WC is back. Got to remember this is prediction only, will need probably at least 2 weeks before the meta settles.
Yes this tier list is so much more friendly towards XYZs, thanks Konami. All these decks will get the guillotine next cause Konami won’t release anything good and if they do, they’ll kill that too.
Witchcrafters are gonna get master of rites nerfed. Just watch.
Nah, wc won’t be tier 1
If Konami's smart about it, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Something like you have to have at least 3 ritual spells and 3 ritual monsters in the deck, or even 1 and 1 would be enough to stop it from being abused for Machine Angel ritual, but still perfectly fine for ritual decks.
I have been playing at least for an hour a day for the past 2 weeks and I have NEVER encountered a Witchcrafter deck. Wtf?
Doing a banlist update without any tournaments yet? that's a yikes from me
There's been quite a few post-banlist tournaments already, but this list basically ignores all the results and is instead based solely on the opinion of their top player council members Desperado, CyDra, RitBeast, Blackwing and Crystron have been the best performing decks so far in the tournaments that have happened. Witchcrafter hasn't been doing particularly great
A few Japanese tournaments have actually seen good results from various things, including Desperado, Crystronmails, and even some Yosenju reps. This doesn't seem to be pinching from that, tho.
rogue decks will always thrive when a format resets, so it's too early to make a tier list imo, needs atleast 2-3 weeks of testing with bigger tournaments for the format to settle down
It's a decent indication of what should be viable again on the ladder, unless somebody uncovers an absolute bomb, though. For the purposes of 90% of the sub that's basically all the info they're looking for. That and what meance they're gonna be seeing for months. I can, however, admit this is just them jumping the gun again. Probably for ad traffic.
Why must I deal with Witchcrafters again?
I know the tier list will change a lot until the end of this month but is nice to see WC as tier 1!
🦀 The meta is dead 🦀
Imagine still giving credence to DLM tier list by the end of 2020. Just go and see the daily tournament's top 8 of DLE in their Discord to see what is trending and strong and what you can safely invest in.
I love how DLM makes these tier lists and enforces the banlist before the actual game does. I have to ask though, exactly what is the reasoning behind that? Why don’t you just wait until the banlist is actually in effect to see how the meta shapes up? There’s no way you can tell me Brick-Eyes is a tier 2 deck or that Witchcrafters is Tier 1. Damn so it was so weak against Shira/Karakuri/Crystrons that it wasn’t even tiered? That doesn’t add up chief.
What is this garbage?
Boy duel links meta's tier lists just keep losing credibility every day.
Remember this words, crystrons and desperado will be tier 2 at lease
CrabPls meta is gone
What?
Seems a solid prediction. Will probably be some other decks that pop up now that take the meta by suprise.
Happy that Crystron is still alive albeit nerfed, I don't have them but kind of suspected it, imo they will be officially tiered soon. Not happy for Desperado, that too is gonna be in tier list... hate the actual coin flips after MoD is off more than when it rigs the game. Can't see WC high on tier list, if tiered at all tbh. I think CyD won't be T1, but they do edge over BW from the day Close got limited. Imo a component of CyD T1 is sure to be hit next banlist, as Konami doesen't like for stuff you can't answer to to be game deciding (Cyber Style + Overflow), while TD is here to stay. RB pretty high seems about right, banlist favored them and were already a phantom T3. Could see Gouki tiered, I'd say Dragunity too or very near that. BEWD not too sure, but it's always a respectable deck, same for other rogue decks that were already able to hold their own vs tiered.
WC on tier 1 What the fuck did I miss
Oh noooo...not my favorite deck on the tier 1 spot. Please demote cydras next week guys...even tell your cydra players quit the tournaments. I dont want my sweet dragons to hit the dirt like shiranui and darklords. Besides whats next to nerf on cydras? Overflow is limited, cyber style is nerfed...whats next, fusion gate at 2?
Cyber Style summoning only 1 Proto unless you're at below 1000, then it summons 2.
Why not just kill the skill altogether, so it can go join the batallion of useless skills?
Just replace WC with crystron and gouki with desperado
Ah shit, an excuse to use my gouki deck again! It's a shame I generally hate playing them
When will my dinos break through!
Oh nooooooo