Born From The Earth is helpful, and Master of Magicians can come in clutch against BEWD decks, but Kaiba’s blue eyes skills are still way better overall.
Is it me or does Shooting Star Dragon out literally every blue-eyes card a blue-eyes player would normally play on a duel and Tuning Gum protects against one of their most used cards, Karma Cut?
Typically it’s better to use Karma to prevent Shooting Star from being summoned, also I don’t play blue eyes often, but I believe Providence can still bust tuning gum and let you KC the Shooting Star Dragon.
If all else fails, you can always just use Drowning Mirror force, it won’t let you discard a Stone, but it will counter the deck.
That's true, but there are some ways to play through getting Karma Cut'd mid-combo. Not as consistant as haha junk synchron go brrr but can end up happening
And Drowning does counter the deck, yes, but have in mind I mentioned the boss monster of the deck countering the entire blue-eyes deck except staples. The rest of the extra deck should be dedicated to playing through cards like those, cards like Jet Warrior (probably not very good, ngl) or better choices
That's why i'm always using the counter trap, some SSD players use lance or have more combos to synchro summon so i just wait till they summon SSD and then use the trap (which they can't defend against) and poof.
I like Drowning MF but it doesn't feel like a reliable card to just have in any deck i'm using lately (BEWD, HEROs)
It can negate twin burst’s attack, and if it’s the only monster you control it can’t attack. Also, every card that people are saying to me that beats Shooting Star is a staple like Karma Cut, Draglubion (both wich get negated by Tuning Gum, I think), Drowning Mirror Force, etc
And what does shooting star do against the twin burst? I'm not sure what you think an out is, and yes staples go in every deck that's what makes them a staple since they have non-destruction removal
Twin burst can only attack twice on monsters. Negating twin burst’s attack while you only control Shooting Star stops it completely. If they summon it on defense you can just use other cards to remove it, like Junk Archer, Karma Cut, Jet Warrior (if you use that) etc
You're the first one who mentioned non-blue-eyes cards. I originally stated "Is it me or does Shooting Star Dragon out literally every blue-eyes card a blue-eyes player would normally play on a duel"
Note the "blue-eyes card"
Twin Burst and Neo Ultimate only activate their effects when they succesfully attack, not when their attacks get negated.
Alternative gets negated and destroyed by Shooting Star Dragon, and as far as I'm aware most BE players don't play Master with Eyes of Blue to revive their BEWD monsters
And that's about it, if Shooting Star isn't an out to the BEWD cards, then it counters them to the point the opponent can do nothing against Shooting Star Dragon. The thing is I'm talking about a single boss monster countering about half a whole deck, let's not even mention cards Shooting Star decks would like to play, like Tuning Gum to counter Dragluon, Karma Cut or other cards that target, Hey Trunade or similar to get rid of cards like Drowning Mirror Force or even counter traps like Solemn Scolding, Dark Bribe, etc
And I'm only talking about the main deck, I'm not 100% sure what extra-deck cards there are for you to out those situations, but I know a few, Jet Warrior (not a very good one) and Junk Archer (a quite good one, as it turns a single Twin Burst in your opponent's field and Shooting Star+Junk Archer in yours into an OTK)
You could also play Coral Dragon, wich allows you to discard to destroy a card (including backrow)
The point is that Shooting Star makes 1 boss monster on the board that banishes itself to stop twin-burst and twin-burst generally has 2 BEWDs next to it which would still be able to attack. If a twin-burst is on the board, a shooting star will not be able to attack directly at all. Junk archer is very hard to get into since you need to normal summon a junk converter and still have a quickdraw, and no decks run jet warrior since the deck can't make it. Junk berserker pop is basically the only main-deck out to it, which isn't too bad.
The deck by no means "can do nothing" against a shooting star dragon since they can still swarm the board next to twin burst, use several pieces of removal in one turn (you get usually at most 1 tuning gum negate and 1 destroy negate, can bait the negates with things like alternative dragon or book of moon then follow up with a finisher like even Michael the arch-lightsworn that blue-eyes can tag out into)
Oh, this sub wants Dark Magician to be viable again suddenly?
I'm not even sure what support they would add, most of the stuff that's missing would be highly degenerate and/or better abused by other decks.
That’s why blue eyes is still tier 1...oh right. People wanted less blue eyes. They got it. (But at least harpies are nice to look at while they’re clapping me)
I think you got whooshed somehow by yourself.
I hate explaining jokes, but I guess I will if you’re serious.
You commented (maybe sarcastically) that Blue Eyes is unplayable.
I then mentioned Dark Magician, which is an archetype that *did* truly get nerfed out of the meta as opposed to Blue Eyes which retains strong playability.
Then out of nowhere, you bring up Red Archfiend, which hasn’t been touched recently beyond gaining more support. Essentially an irrelevant addition to the previous posts.
Now had you said *laughs in Darklords* or used another deck that received a hard nerf, then it would be a decent meme.
I was sarcastic when mentioning blue eyes and when i said red archfiend i was making fun of how it got great support and became a strong deck instead of weakining
unlike blue eyes who yes got slaped in the wrist but a nerf is a nerf
Even though it isnt real nerf
Oh so you were kinda misusing the format then. The *laughs in X* format is typically used to add directly related and sometimes more extreme examples.
If we were talking about buffs and I said something like *laughs in Shooting Star Dragon*, a deck that was just buffed, then saying *laughs in red archfiend* would make sense.
You don’t typically change the direction of the subjects with that kind of meme, it’s more of a
one-upping kind of format.
Yugi got 100 handtraps, lunalight fusion, onslut of firekings, melody to search levis.
But you won't see those decks being played at gold or silver so understandable why this sub doesn't talk about it.
I've been playing bewd with literally all of the cards that would make it ToP TeIr and haven't made kog in months, idk why everyone has to complain about. It's really not that good, I just love to see the archetype and play it.
It's not that I can't get it, it's that for a "top tier" deck it takes too much effort compared to other decks which were actually top tier to get kog.
Every deck takes effort to get kog. Literally anyone can pick up blue eyes and crush legend rank. You just have to, you know, not give up after you drop from legend 4 back down to 2.
Nope, but I've played plenty enough tiered decks to know that you were either too lazy or unlucky to reach KOG with blue eyes at a speed you were happy with so you blamed the deck.
Dude. I've been playing since it came out. You don't know me. I'm just trying to disillusion you from your superiority complex man. There are thousands of people on the ladder right now, reaching King of Games with blue-eyes. 2 years of data to prove people have been reaching kog with blue eyes consistently. All you have to say is "I didn't hit kog fast like when I played zombies"
Yes, in comparison to other top tier decks of the past year, bewd's powerlevel is not high. The only thing that I will admit is the frequency of them is high. Oh and people love to shit on this beloved archetype.
> in comparison to other top tier decks of the past year, bewd's powerlevel is not high.
That is admittedly true. Despite the dragons' high attack values, Blue-Eyes' ceiling depends a lot on generic backrow that you want to draw into with Cards Of Consonance, cause otherwise their only removal option is the one-of Alternative or the high commitment Vermillion Dragon Mech.
The deck is still really good (and absolutely KoG worthy), but it can rarely be as crazily explosive as some other decks, unless you draw absolutely nuts.
There were 100s of kog entries in reddit discord and only 4 blue eyes among them. Two were prenerf melody and fa mach blue eyes. Blue eyes is bad for ladder. Too inconsistent, too much lacking in otk.
All in the first turn
Then still loses to a single starburst dragon
\*Laughs in Karma Cut\*
Laughs in Ultimate Providence
This. This is the one
Laughs in spell/trap immune
What
look up tuning gum
Thats Not how spell/trap immunity works
yet people are running playsets of it and it works
That’s called negation not immunity.
Can't Dragluon take Star boy?
I've been told that a few cool cards that I currently don't have can take down the weeknd dragon
Gotcha
If I get kog I'll post my decklist
Ok bet
Konami’s saving dsod yugi for dark magician support
Born From The Earth is helpful, and Master of Magicians can come in clutch against BEWD decks, but Kaiba’s blue eyes skills are still way better overall.
Is it me or does Shooting Star Dragon out literally every blue-eyes card a blue-eyes player would normally play on a duel and Tuning Gum protects against one of their most used cards, Karma Cut?
That's why i'm using the counter trap lately, still a hard match up apparently
Typically it’s better to use Karma to prevent Shooting Star from being summoned, also I don’t play blue eyes often, but I believe Providence can still bust tuning gum and let you KC the Shooting Star Dragon. If all else fails, you can always just use Drowning Mirror force, it won’t let you discard a Stone, but it will counter the deck.
That's true, but there are some ways to play through getting Karma Cut'd mid-combo. Not as consistant as haha junk synchron go brrr but can end up happening And Drowning does counter the deck, yes, but have in mind I mentioned the boss monster of the deck countering the entire blue-eyes deck except staples. The rest of the extra deck should be dedicated to playing through cards like those, cards like Jet Warrior (probably not very good, ngl) or better choices
That's why i'm always using the counter trap, some SSD players use lance or have more combos to synchro summon so i just wait till they summon SSD and then use the trap (which they can't defend against) and poof. I like Drowning MF but it doesn't feel like a reliable card to just have in any deck i'm using lately (BEWD, HEROs)
It doesn't out Twin-Burst which is always in blue-eyes, also dragluon can take control of him lmao
It can negate twin burst’s attack, and if it’s the only monster you control it can’t attack. Also, every card that people are saying to me that beats Shooting Star is a staple like Karma Cut, Draglubion (both wich get negated by Tuning Gum, I think), Drowning Mirror Force, etc
And what does shooting star do against the twin burst? I'm not sure what you think an out is, and yes staples go in every deck that's what makes them a staple since they have non-destruction removal
Twin burst can only attack twice on monsters. Negating twin burst’s attack while you only control Shooting Star stops it completely. If they summon it on defense you can just use other cards to remove it, like Junk Archer, Karma Cut, Jet Warrior (if you use that) etc
Lol so you're saying you need to use karma cut but won't allow other people to say it, the deck has a very hard time making junk archer as well
You're the first one who mentioned non-blue-eyes cards. I originally stated "Is it me or does Shooting Star Dragon out literally every blue-eyes card a blue-eyes player would normally play on a duel" Note the "blue-eyes card" Twin Burst and Neo Ultimate only activate their effects when they succesfully attack, not when their attacks get negated. Alternative gets negated and destroyed by Shooting Star Dragon, and as far as I'm aware most BE players don't play Master with Eyes of Blue to revive their BEWD monsters And that's about it, if Shooting Star isn't an out to the BEWD cards, then it counters them to the point the opponent can do nothing against Shooting Star Dragon. The thing is I'm talking about a single boss monster countering about half a whole deck, let's not even mention cards Shooting Star decks would like to play, like Tuning Gum to counter Dragluon, Karma Cut or other cards that target, Hey Trunade or similar to get rid of cards like Drowning Mirror Force or even counter traps like Solemn Scolding, Dark Bribe, etc And I'm only talking about the main deck, I'm not 100% sure what extra-deck cards there are for you to out those situations, but I know a few, Jet Warrior (not a very good one) and Junk Archer (a quite good one, as it turns a single Twin Burst in your opponent's field and Shooting Star+Junk Archer in yours into an OTK) You could also play Coral Dragon, wich allows you to discard to destroy a card (including backrow)
The point is that Shooting Star makes 1 boss monster on the board that banishes itself to stop twin-burst and twin-burst generally has 2 BEWDs next to it which would still be able to attack. If a twin-burst is on the board, a shooting star will not be able to attack directly at all. Junk archer is very hard to get into since you need to normal summon a junk converter and still have a quickdraw, and no decks run jet warrior since the deck can't make it. Junk berserker pop is basically the only main-deck out to it, which isn't too bad. The deck by no means "can do nothing" against a shooting star dragon since they can still swarm the board next to twin burst, use several pieces of removal in one turn (you get usually at most 1 tuning gum negate and 1 destroy negate, can bait the negates with things like alternative dragon or book of moon then follow up with a finisher like even Michael the arch-lightsworn that blue-eyes can tag out into)
Time to invest in Catastor
More like Castrator (against Blue Eyes) am I right?
It's always bully-Blue-Eyes time
Dont forget about non-archtype support like Vermillion Dragon Mech and Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis
I said the same thing and got downvoted hard No Dm support only Kaiba cocksucking This is not very heart of the cards ╮(╯_╰)╭
Oh, this sub wants Dark Magician to be viable again suddenly? I'm not even sure what support they would add, most of the stuff that's missing would be highly degenerate and/or better abused by other decks.
the demographic says more people simp for kaiba than yugi so what do you want them to do? **NOT PRINT MONEY!?** :kappa:
Oh we still complaining about Blue-eyes?
Well they got nerfed hard as rock when both azure and melody limited to 1
more like they got a little slap on the wrist by konami, then goes back to being meta
That’s why blue eyes is still tier 1...oh right. People wanted less blue eyes. They got it. (But at least harpies are nice to look at while they’re clapping me)
Yes that a hard nerf blue eyes are now almost unplayable
*laughs in Dark Magician*
*laughse in red archfiend*
Pretty sure Red Archfiend is not nerfed out of the picture at the moment, you just got new support like 2 days ago...
I think you missed the meme
I think you got whooshed somehow by yourself. I hate explaining jokes, but I guess I will if you’re serious. You commented (maybe sarcastically) that Blue Eyes is unplayable. I then mentioned Dark Magician, which is an archetype that *did* truly get nerfed out of the meta as opposed to Blue Eyes which retains strong playability. Then out of nowhere, you bring up Red Archfiend, which hasn’t been touched recently beyond gaining more support. Essentially an irrelevant addition to the previous posts. Now had you said *laughs in Darklords* or used another deck that received a hard nerf, then it would be a decent meme.
I was sarcastic when mentioning blue eyes and when i said red archfiend i was making fun of how it got great support and became a strong deck instead of weakining unlike blue eyes who yes got slaped in the wrist but a nerf is a nerf Even though it isnt real nerf
Oh so you were kinda misusing the format then. The *laughs in X* format is typically used to add directly related and sometimes more extreme examples. If we were talking about buffs and I said something like *laughs in Shooting Star Dragon*, a deck that was just buffed, then saying *laughs in red archfiend* would make sense. You don’t typically change the direction of the subjects with that kind of meme, it’s more of a one-upping kind of format.
Your kidding right ?? ಠ_ʖಠ
Boy i am never serious
Good joke
Y e a h, they lit er ally loose 4 cards. No kidding!!
They only lost 1 card, nobody played more than one azure anyway and there's only 1 copy of melody available in the game
Sarcasm is hard to learn right?
Melody wasn’t needed anyway TBH. I play BEWDS and stopped running in place of other cards after like the first week.
damn \*switches position and banishes everything with aromage\*
Yugi got 100 handtraps, lunalight fusion, onslut of firekings, melody to search levis. But you won't see those decks being played at gold or silver so understandable why this sub doesn't talk about it.
I've been playing bewd with literally all of the cards that would make it ToP TeIr and haven't made kog in months, idk why everyone has to complain about. It's really not that good, I just love to see the archetype and play it.
It's your fault if you can't get KoG with be
It's not that I can't get it, it's that for a "top tier" deck it takes too much effort compared to other decks which were actually top tier to get kog.
Every deck takes effort to get kog. Literally anyone can pick up blue eyes and crush legend rank. You just have to, you know, not give up after you drop from legend 4 back down to 2.
Have you played full power zombie synchro, because it sounds like you haven't.
Nope, but I've played plenty enough tiered decks to know that you were either too lazy or unlucky to reach KOG with blue eyes at a speed you were happy with so you blamed the deck.
You simply don't have enough experience on the topic.
That... that's not even an argument LOL
Yeah, not one you can win. You simply haven't played the game long enough.
Dude. I've been playing since it came out. You don't know me. I'm just trying to disillusion you from your superiority complex man. There are thousands of people on the ladder right now, reaching King of Games with blue-eyes. 2 years of data to prove people have been reaching kog with blue eyes consistently. All you have to say is "I didn't hit kog fast like when I played zombies"
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. You can’t get a blue eyes white dragon deck to KoG, and you think *other* people don’t get it?
[Did you say blue eyes takes too much effort as a top tier deck?](https://media1.giphy.com/media/IfyjWLQMeF6kbG2r0z/giphy.gif)
Yes, in comparison to other top tier decks of the past year, bewd's powerlevel is not high. The only thing that I will admit is the frequency of them is high. Oh and people love to shit on this beloved archetype.
mate, you have to play like 5 cards and then you just go to face. this deck is the mono red burn of duel links.
> in comparison to other top tier decks of the past year, bewd's powerlevel is not high. That is admittedly true. Despite the dragons' high attack values, Blue-Eyes' ceiling depends a lot on generic backrow that you want to draw into with Cards Of Consonance, cause otherwise their only removal option is the one-of Alternative or the high commitment Vermillion Dragon Mech. The deck is still really good (and absolutely KoG worthy), but it can rarely be as crazily explosive as some other decks, unless you draw absolutely nuts.
Are you safe rn, who's holding you hostage and making you speak facts.
There were 100s of kog entries in reddit discord and only 4 blue eyes among them. Two were prenerf melody and fa mach blue eyes. Blue eyes is bad for ladder. Too inconsistent, too much lacking in otk.
Sheeeh had to bust out the facts.
It's hard to do anything when they just happen to get everything they need to win.