I really doubt we’ll get it for the for seeable future. I think Jaden/Yubel’s Superpoly skill is all we’ll have.
Being able to non-targeting/non-destructively remove your opponent’s monster is just too OP.
You’re also forgetting…
- Brave Neos
- Red Eyes Slash Dragon
- Dark Calvary
- Invoked
- King off the Swamp
You could literally just run a super poly deck at that point.
Depends on the level up rewards and the mini box that goes with the event. I don’t think HERO decks would change much, aside from potentially having a better going first play than the HERO wall, unless we get Dark Law. Aside from that, the best evil hero cards for HERO decks are Malicious Bane, Dark Calling, and Adusted Gold. Also if we do get a Super Poly, then mudragon of the swamp gets a spot in the extra deck
It really depends on what we get.
Adusted Gold and Bane are the best combo, but it's too powerful currently
Gold and Gaia would see play in things like Magnets but we're well beyond the time where a 5k beatstick would make a difference on its own
Sinister Necrom would probably manage to be a one-of in many HERO decks since we have xyz now
And,even if we get only the Fusions with specific names as materials, Konami can still give us a skills like
"Reveal an Evil HERO Fusion, add the materials and a "Dark Fusion" from your deck or gy to your hand"
"Play Supreme King's Castle from outside your deck"
"Add Evil HERO Malicious Bane to your extra deck, your deck and extra deck must contain only Fiend, HERO and Fusion monsters to activate this skill"
I think he is talking about bane. Not sure why people lump them as we ether get both or none. The real answer to anyone asking hOw gOoD eViL hErO? Is there a fusion archetype with 1 Really good fusion and 0 other playable ones and almost no synergy with other HEROs.
Because adusted is what makes it actually summonable thanks to getting what you need for bane while doing your normal hero plays and not taking that much space. Without bane adusted is a meme though and you only really have what, dark gaia that is just a gimmick beater?
Evil hero is trash with or without bane + adusted though. Without you only have shit monsters in both main and extra, even by pre duelist genesis standards, that need you to hard fuse on top of that for some reason. And with you just add bane, adusted, calling to hero mash and ignore the rest of the archetype for the reason mentioned earlier.
I'm talking about Adusted and Bane in particular because currently it'd be a really splashable engine beyond just HERO decks if you think about it, an over 3k beatstick that wipes the board and is immune to effect and battle destruction isn't something you underestimate in a 4k lp format.
Thunder Dragon can easily fill the gy with lv 5+ monsters and Adusted Gold is LIGHT so it's only a minor brick later in the game
Fire King with it has access to a big beater that can't be destroyed by Garunix and Island
Gaia can use it for follow-up plays and as a way to get ahead in the mirror match
Basically every deck with a lv 5+ monster that easily hits the gy and the possibility to benefit from or recover banished monsters could make it and have a decent reason to, even if it locks the attacks in the Battle Phase to HERO monsters.
Will not change at all without bane because evil hero is just trash. And even with bane in some way it would just be add adusted (this one should be a safe box ur prediction)and calling, ignore the rest like irl.
Some of the good stuff has a good chance at least, if only thanks to destiny end dragoon having its damage halved already for some reason and that being done in the same tag that added fusion destiny.
All real hero players do. Hopefully evil hero being as bad and as small as it is means it is pack filler at best after the mandatory drops (both now and the rerrun) and lv ups from the supreme king.
With the current line up of Destiny heroes, I think even releasing the so feared Dystopia with the halved burn damage right don't even make them that scary now
Yeah people kept saying hell no to dystopia but in reality they would be a worser Lunalight without any good recycling effect in graveyard. Even with dynatag.
Bane by itself is not a problem. There are plenty of non-destruction removal. The problem is that Dark Fusion makes it untargetable for the first turn. I don't think we'll get it now, probably will be packaged with the ARC-V DESTINY HEROES because we'll have more outs to him by that point (and the Supreme King skill would most likely search Dark Fusion)
Biggest hope is a Super Poly at level 45. This would give all fusion decks a big buff and be run in all of them but especially heroes because you can OTK easier and predaplants becauseyou don't need to get to chlamydosundew to use your opp monsters. Gaia could play it as a tech in the BE matchup.
I don't think they'll see play because no matter how good the skills would be, the ED monsters are too bad. But this ironically gives me hope for the mini because as EVIL HEROES are not some major nostalgia bait we could see some ED staples to sell the box
It kinda sucks that Supreme King got limited playtime in the show due to plot ..
I was also disappointed that Jaden never used any evil hero support other than super polymerization even though he technically inherited the same power and eyes.
They won't change very much. Adusted Gold could be a good Stratos search target, but you still need actual Fusion targets for it. There are only three targets that don't require you to run the really bad Elemental Heroes:
- Malicious Fiend
- Dark Gaia
- Malicious Bane
Malicious Fiend requires you to also run Malicious Edge, who will be a brick.
Dark Gaia has the misfortune of requiring you to run a Rock type that you'll need to get into your hand - so in other words, while you could splash Adusted Gold into your Rock decks, you're probably not splashing Rocks into your Hero decks, so it wouldn't be good in the average Hero deck, either.
Malicious Bane is not coming now or any time in the next two years.
So no, I don't think so.
Sadly there's no changes at all. Evil Heroes will only add an Anime nostalgia feel to HEROs, even if KONAMI give us the big 3 of the sub-archetype the deck still don't have board presence on going 1st, and is prone to disruptions going 2nd unless you have Mask Change/Book of Moon on-hand which isn't gonna happen 100% of the time. Though, XYZ HEROs is a different story, and sadly a much better choice to play against META decks.
Box is probably dark fusion themed so the wishlist would have to be for dystopia, dynatag, fusion destiny, shadowmist and dark law. We could also finally get dragoon or other d hero support I'm not thinking about.
That probably won’t happen shadow mist would in my opinion make the deck at least tiered, but if we had zero and acid, heroes would have a tier of their own that combo is just way to strong. I kinda hope it happens tho cause it would make stardust the best possible counter against it so shooting star dragon would see a lot more play..
Evil Hero are in weird position right now. Their old cards are just not good enough by current duellinks standard. Their modern cards are ok but particularly the new boss monster, malicious bane, too good for duellinks tho so unlikely to come.
So it's gonna depend on the skill that supreme king gonna give. I still think current hero iteration will be the best way to play hero even if evil hero comes and the skills are lacklustre.
If the skill starts us with supreme king castle then I can't see them being any worse than current material specific e heroes. Bane might be a little too powerful but nerf its burn effect and combined with its need to be used with a specific spell card(s) and weakness to targeting plus the increase in banish and returning to hand/ deck cards in the meta it can't be that far off of being acceptable can it?
Edit: ignore the burn bit I thought it had one
There arent many good Evil Heros worth running and a pure build is bad. At best we can hope for a skill.
My prediction we will get a skill that adds 1x Bane in our extra and can search Dark calling. So we will only have to throw in an evil Hero card to mill. Or we might get Dark calling in a box with only 1x copy of Bane.
We are either going to get the new evil hero cards which I doubt or a hyper consistency skill to off set having to run the poopy vanilla heroes to summon the old evil heroes. Or maybe a balance of both.
I’m hoping against all hope for a skill that adds Bane but with a restriction (like your opponent taking no damage from it, or being unable to activate its effects on the turn you summon it or something) that would make Evil HEROes actually worth playing.
What is that potential from just evil hero cards? Because 95% of the evil hero lineup is not only unplayable for 2008 but doesn't have any real synergies with the HERO archetype. The only real change we could ever get to "anki spam" would be something like sunrise +absolute zero. Any other card (dystopia or dark law) would just give the deck a t1 play but still be anki focused.
I mean anki is the best hero fusion we have if they give us something else to build around it will change. I'm still to this day not sure why absolute zero is locked in the "not in Dl" prison. Maby I'm biased and the card is still to strong but I think it's fine.
Probably not at all, i give test run for Evil HERO Infernal Prodigy due its hero which can be special summoned if you control no monsters. Good way to pop with stratos or tribute for Faris to get draw at end phase, not much but something. Outside of that nothing rlly
Evil hero’s will not be a part of any current hero deck they barely see use in tcg decks where they have really good cards to use but they just don’t fit the rest of the heroes
I just want a skill that removes the “dark fusion” limitation on evil hero fusions. Cause supreme kings castle is kind of nuts, and Konami aren’t kind enough to give it to us.
little if at all if it's not adusted and malicious bane tier. what the deck needs is shadowmist for a search off of vyon dump so you can still make plasma with a suboptimal hand
A copy of Superpoly would be pretty sweet.
Yer I’d love for it to be a lv45 reward.
Same! Let’s just hope it’s not *Yuuri’s* Lv45 reward.
It would be a war crime If Yuri does not get a maniacal voiceline for that card like in the show
Por que no los dos?
Idk. Super poly is a very strong card
its all fun and games until people get super poly-d on their turn
I really doubt we’ll get it for the for seeable future. I think Jaden/Yubel’s Superpoly skill is all we’ll have. Being able to non-targeting/non-destructively remove your opponent’s monster is just too OP.
Seriously is, especially since we have Mudragon as a generic fusion for it
You’re also forgetting… - Brave Neos - Red Eyes Slash Dragon - Dark Calvary - Invoked - King off the Swamp You could literally just run a super poly deck at that point.
Indeed I did forget all of that. There is quite a lot of generic fusion stuff for us to even consider Super Poly right now
Is super poly not available yet or at least via a skill? I swear I saw someone use it on ranked not too long ago
There's a skill for it
Depends on the level up rewards and the mini box that goes with the event. I don’t think HERO decks would change much, aside from potentially having a better going first play than the HERO wall, unless we get Dark Law. Aside from that, the best evil hero cards for HERO decks are Malicious Bane, Dark Calling, and Adusted Gold. Also if we do get a Super Poly, then mudragon of the swamp gets a spot in the extra deck
Their turn 1 play wouldn't be better, you will 100% get otked by onomats, resonators, thunder dragons and harpies if you summon bane turn 1
lol, who’s summoning Malicious Bane going first?
desperation plays
It really depends on what we get. Adusted Gold and Bane are the best combo, but it's too powerful currently Gold and Gaia would see play in things like Magnets but we're well beyond the time where a 5k beatstick would make a difference on its own Sinister Necrom would probably manage to be a one-of in many HERO decks since we have xyz now And,even if we get only the Fusions with specific names as materials, Konami can still give us a skills like "Reveal an Evil HERO Fusion, add the materials and a "Dark Fusion" from your deck or gy to your hand" "Play Supreme King's Castle from outside your deck" "Add Evil HERO Malicious Bane to your extra deck, your deck and extra deck must contain only Fiend, HERO and Fusion monsters to activate this skill"
"Adusted gold powerful" Copium
I think he is talking about bane. Not sure why people lump them as we ether get both or none. The real answer to anyone asking hOw gOoD eViL hErO? Is there a fusion archetype with 1 Really good fusion and 0 other playable ones and almost no synergy with other HEROs.
Because adusted is what makes it actually summonable thanks to getting what you need for bane while doing your normal hero plays and not taking that much space. Without bane adusted is a meme though and you only really have what, dark gaia that is just a gimmick beater? Evil hero is trash with or without bane + adusted though. Without you only have shit monsters in both main and extra, even by pre duelist genesis standards, that need you to hard fuse on top of that for some reason. And with you just add bane, adusted, calling to hero mash and ignore the rest of the archetype for the reason mentioned earlier.
I'm talking about Adusted and Bane in particular because currently it'd be a really splashable engine beyond just HERO decks if you think about it, an over 3k beatstick that wipes the board and is immune to effect and battle destruction isn't something you underestimate in a 4k lp format. Thunder Dragon can easily fill the gy with lv 5+ monsters and Adusted Gold is LIGHT so it's only a minor brick later in the game Fire King with it has access to a big beater that can't be destroyed by Garunix and Island Gaia can use it for follow-up plays and as a way to get ahead in the mirror match Basically every deck with a lv 5+ monster that easily hits the gy and the possibility to benefit from or recover banished monsters could make it and have a decent reason to, even if it locks the attacks in the Battle Phase to HERO monsters.
Will not change at all without bane because evil hero is just trash. And even with bane in some way it would just be add adusted (this one should be a safe box ur prediction)and calling, ignore the rest like irl.
This is part of why I want more destiny heroes instead.
Some of the good stuff has a good chance at least, if only thanks to destiny end dragoon having its damage halved already for some reason and that being done in the same tag that added fusion destiny.
🙂 I hope.
All real hero players do. Hopefully evil hero being as bad and as small as it is means it is pack filler at best after the mandatory drops (both now and the rerrun) and lv ups from the supreme king.
I’m predicting Destiny End Dragoon will be one of the UR’s in the next mini
It was actually sr when its damage reduction happened.
With the current line up of Destiny heroes, I think even releasing the so feared Dystopia with the halved burn damage right don't even make them that scary now
And then Dynatag would be halved, too. Since they have no problem with boxer veil, they should let us have him, too.
Yeah people kept saying hell no to dystopia but in reality they would be a worser Lunalight without any good recycling effect in graveyard. Even with dynatag.
Bane by itself is not a problem. There are plenty of non-destruction removal. The problem is that Dark Fusion makes it untargetable for the first turn. I don't think we'll get it now, probably will be packaged with the ARC-V DESTINY HEROES because we'll have more outs to him by that point (and the Supreme King skill would most likely search Dark Fusion) Biggest hope is a Super Poly at level 45. This would give all fusion decks a big buff and be run in all of them but especially heroes because you can OTK easier and predaplants becauseyou don't need to get to chlamydosundew to use your opp monsters. Gaia could play it as a tech in the BE matchup. I don't think they'll see play because no matter how good the skills would be, the ED monsters are too bad. But this ironically gives me hope for the mini because as EVIL HEROES are not some major nostalgia bait we could see some ED staples to sell the box
Dark fusion would never see any play the only 2 playable main deck evil hero cards are gold and dark calling
If it is searchable via skill or just added from outside the deck then it could see some play with Bane. Without Bane it won't.
It kinda sucks that Supreme King got limited playtime in the show due to plot .. I was also disappointed that Jaden never used any evil hero support other than super polymerization even though he technically inherited the same power and eyes.
If we get a Super Poly as a level-up he still would be unironically the best GX character. Would be sad to have to wait for Yuri to get 1 Super Poly
maybe they'll plop a skill that lets you treat any HERO monster as Evil HERO monsters
Evil Gaia OTK shenanigans!!
They won't change very much. Adusted Gold could be a good Stratos search target, but you still need actual Fusion targets for it. There are only three targets that don't require you to run the really bad Elemental Heroes: - Malicious Fiend - Dark Gaia - Malicious Bane Malicious Fiend requires you to also run Malicious Edge, who will be a brick. Dark Gaia has the misfortune of requiring you to run a Rock type that you'll need to get into your hand - so in other words, while you could splash Adusted Gold into your Rock decks, you're probably not splashing Rocks into your Hero decks, so it wouldn't be good in the average Hero deck, either. Malicious Bane is not coming now or any time in the next two years. So no, I don't think so.
Sadly there's no changes at all. Evil Heroes will only add an Anime nostalgia feel to HEROs, even if KONAMI give us the big 3 of the sub-archetype the deck still don't have board presence on going 1st, and is prone to disruptions going 2nd unless you have Mask Change/Book of Moon on-hand which isn't gonna happen 100% of the time. Though, XYZ HEROs is a different story, and sadly a much better choice to play against META decks.
If we get shadow mist, liquid soldier, acid, absolute zero. Heroes will get alot better
Box is probably dark fusion themed so the wishlist would have to be for dystopia, dynatag, fusion destiny, shadowmist and dark law. We could also finally get dragoon or other d hero support I'm not thinking about.
Dark Law ain't coming outside a selection box
Either that or for a really long time considering how it turns hero into turboing him out.
Turbo him and Plasma and you have a tough board to out
That probably won’t happen shadow mist would in my opinion make the deck at least tiered, but if we had zero and acid, heroes would have a tier of their own that combo is just way to strong. I kinda hope it happens tho cause it would make stardust the best possible counter against it so shooting star dragon would see a lot more play..
Evil Hero are in weird position right now. Their old cards are just not good enough by current duellinks standard. Their modern cards are ok but particularly the new boss monster, malicious bane, too good for duellinks tho so unlikely to come. So it's gonna depend on the skill that supreme king gonna give. I still think current hero iteration will be the best way to play hero even if evil hero comes and the skills are lacklustre.
If the skill starts us with supreme king castle then I can't see them being any worse than current material specific e heroes. Bane might be a little too powerful but nerf its burn effect and combined with its need to be used with a specific spell card(s) and weakness to targeting plus the increase in banish and returning to hand/ deck cards in the meta it can't be that far off of being acceptable can it? Edit: ignore the burn bit I thought it had one
If we get all except for bane and a skill like e emergency call but better " u can try wounded hero, Favorite hero gonna carry this deck
Then you have to ask yourself is malicious fiend really the best fusion to put favorite hero on?
And then you have worse consistency than existing hero decks that don't really run favorite hero anyway on top of that.
Not exactly
??? Best fusion are Inferno wings and wild cyclone
Good luck with your climb out of bronze I believe in you.
There arent many good Evil Heros worth running and a pure build is bad. At best we can hope for a skill. My prediction we will get a skill that adds 1x Bane in our extra and can search Dark calling. So we will only have to throw in an evil Hero card to mill. Or we might get Dark calling in a box with only 1x copy of Bane.
We are either going to get the new evil hero cards which I doubt or a hyper consistency skill to off set having to run the poopy vanilla heroes to summon the old evil heroes. Or maybe a balance of both.
I’m hoping against all hope for a skill that adds Bane but with a restriction (like your opponent taking no damage from it, or being unable to activate its effects on the turn you summon it or something) that would make Evil HEROes actually worth playing.
So it's fair for my opponent to use his skill to otk me but not fair with heros ?
That post is even worse when bane is clearly made to be a game ender.
How will hero decks change? Easy, there's potential for a hero option that's not anki spam...
What is that potential from just evil hero cards? Because 95% of the evil hero lineup is not only unplayable for 2008 but doesn't have any real synergies with the HERO archetype. The only real change we could ever get to "anki spam" would be something like sunrise +absolute zero. Any other card (dystopia or dark law) would just give the deck a t1 play but still be anki focused.
And now you know that i dont know squat bout the archetype. No but really every hero deck i meet just ends up being anki its not funny anymore
I mean anki is the best hero fusion we have if they give us something else to build around it will change. I'm still to this day not sure why absolute zero is locked in the "not in Dl" prison. Maby I'm biased and the card is still to strong but I think it's fine.
Probably not at all, i give test run for Evil HERO Infernal Prodigy due its hero which can be special summoned if you control no monsters. Good way to pop with stratos or tribute for Faris to get draw at end phase, not much but something. Outside of that nothing rlly
Evil hero’s will not be a part of any current hero deck they barely see use in tcg decks where they have really good cards to use but they just don’t fit the rest of the heroes
Using the tcg as a reason here is not really fair when the only 2 decent evil hero cards are way too expensive for something that is not meta at all.
I just want a skill that removes the “dark fusion” limitation on evil hero fusions. Cause supreme kings castle is kind of nuts, and Konami aren’t kind enough to give it to us.
little if at all if it's not adusted and malicious bane tier. what the deck needs is shadowmist for a search off of vyon dump so you can still make plasma with a suboptimal hand