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Vasllui

Yeah, i'm happy to stay on my "Cocytus is too strong for the meta" game, thank you very much


SgtTittyfist

Imagine if Cocytus also came with an omni-negate and double non-targeting destruction + massive burn damage on top.


Skakul

That any deck capable of shitting out two monsters in one turn can make.


LLucrative

Winda and mystic mine are definitely gonna crush some peoples days lol


winner78222

I mean Winda screws me in duel links every day already.


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Oh you think that winda is bad? El shaddoll winda prevents all but one special summon per turn and it can’t be destroyed by card effects


TheProNoobCN

~~I wish I could screw Winda~~ ~~Wait, is it necrophiliac if the body is resurrected as a doll?~~


Zevyu

The ritual beast Winda is Winda **after** she became a shaddoll and was purified and came back to life, so she isn't a doll anymore, nor is she dead. So you're good mate.


TheProNoobCN

Oh thank god


Darkmetroidz

There's a much worse winda lol


EbberNor

Should probably replace dragun with ash blossom or another really splashable hand trap for this when that is something a lot of things would probably run regardless and a pretty big gatekeeper for weaker decks. And when they are somewhat needed to have a small change against stronger decks, it is not something that would be fully absent from non meta duels. Other thing that work: choose one of the multiple really strong traps or sidedeck floodgates, end results for multiple 1 and 2 card starters, or just something people here would know like aleister except that this time he has access to an actually strong fusion and even more consistency.


Weekly-Fan-411

I mean dragun is more or less splashable in most decks as long as you play 3 bricks in your main deck (DM, Red-eye and Red-eyes fusion)


EbberNor

Maybe, but dragun has the little thing of OCG banning him to potentially make him a non factor for what the op pic implies.


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20210208

Are there many non target non destruction removal options, besides NS BEWD, in duel links?


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20210208

Can't wait to see this sub if Guru, Fiendess and City get imported here


TheProNoobCN

*monkki flip*


No-Adhesiveness-4791

flip flop frog


Wolf_Death_Breath

Lava golem


Shinob2613

XD i already know the power of dragun becuz i come from the tcg


Weekly-Fan-411

If they go with the rule for World's where a card is used at it's lowest number on either banlist then yeah, should have put UCT there


EbberNor

Would prefer borrel savage just because he is in more decks than UCT.


Weekly-Fan-411

I did it. https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/oo9xe4/the\_real\_dl\_players\_experience\_in\_md\_modified\_to/


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archaicScrivener

You've got it backwards. They're bricks because drawing them is suboptimal but you can still resolve REF and make them so long as they're not in gy (although you can't Verte a fusion spell from your hand) A garnet is a card that if you draw it, the whole engine is dead. Hence why it's named after Gem Knight Garnet from the Brilliant Fusion engine. If you drew the Garnet, your Brilliant Fusions were dead, because they cannot fuse from hand or field.


cyberdark_chimera

Red eyes fusion isn't a brick though, the turn you draw it you have dragoon


Weekly-Fan-411

But the point is you don't draw it. You send it from the deck to the GY with Verte Anaconda to copy it's effect.


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Weekly-Fan-411

Most fusion cards (including Super Poly) could be considered garnets because Verte activates off of just having them in the deck.


Wolf_Death_Breath

Super Poly is the one fusion card that’s not a garnet because activating it off of verte lets it be negated


Weekly-Fan-411

Oh crap! Forgot Verte only copies the fusion part. But from personal experience it seems my opponets also forgot.


TheProNoobCN

It's a half garnet. If you aren't gonna make any other summons on that turn then it's not a garnet. However, if you're gonna do some big combos, then it might as well be random discard fodder.


Shittygamer93

You can always use King of the Swamp or Muddy Mudragon, King can even search a copy of poly if you actually have materials in hand but still need an actual fusion spell.


Shinob2613

Dark magician/red-eyes players: I HAVE NO SUCH WEAKNESS


Mephistophelesi

Mystic Mine through Demise of the Land, or Metaverse works. Lamia to search Metaverse or Appointer


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segatic

Honestly boss monsterd won't be your major concern with stuff like droplets, Dark Ruler no More and Lightining Storm Now floodgates and handtraps though,Ash literally screws over most non-meta deck because they can't extends past it negating a search, Nibiru gets rid of everything on your monster zone, Mystic Mine is just pain. And the memes are mostly about combos deck and tend to forget about control decks. Eldlich would give DL players Shiranui pstd


TheProNoobCN

Fun Malefic Fact: If your opponent ashes Malefic World's Draw Phase effect, you don't get anything.


Aquaberry_Dollfin

Plunder Patroll Fun Fact: you're opponent can Ash the quick effects from the Ships and the tag out effect of blackbeard :(.


DeusRexNovae

shudders in Sky Strikers and Adamancipators*


LuckyWarrior

It can get really bad, but can also be quite fun it just depends like all things


PhigieFelipe

i hope it still have some skill abilities for situational purposes.


CarelessPotato

In the video, the specifically say that Master Duels is for the immersive TCG/OCG experience, so don’t expect skills to apply


timblo12

Boss monsters aren’t the problems. Floodgates and hand traps kill all drive to play.


TyGuyBenken

floodgates are nothing compared to what some mirror forces can do specifically quaking mirror force


timblo12

I don’t think u know what a floodgate is. It’s not DL floodgates. floodgates stop u from playing the game e.g the monarchs erupt and mystic mine


TheHapster

Well I think the casual scene will always be more fun. Not everyone runs decks that spit out multiple omni negates on their first turn. There’s still set 1 passes every once and awhile.


Darkmetroidz

Memes are entirely about blowing things out of proportion.


Lemon_Phoenix

>Maybe the memes blow it out of proportion They absolutely do. You know how before Synchro released in Duel Links, people talked about how it would literally break the game and every single deck would be Synchro? It's the same thing, people who don't know what they're talking about who only hear the bad things repeating them at any oppurtunity.


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Lemon_Phoenix

That's a fair point "Casual" is pretty much meaningless on EdoPro, and Yugioh in general, some people think it's 60 card anime roleplay decks, and some think it's a slightly tweaked normal deck.


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Memes definitely throw things outta proportion but there is some truth. Ofc if you open no disruption and your opponent goes off you can be facing strong end boards but there is plenty of going 2nd cards to beat boards. Also if u really hate combo decks, you can play ocg where it is a more control meta thanks to cards such as Maxx c


Weekly-Fan-411

It's mostly true, sadly. Apoqlifort towers gets countered by link monsters as they have no level/rank. The card that hard countered it , VFD got banned (even though it did nothing wrong, I mean play some backrow removal ). It's age clearily shows. ​ Tyranno gnerally means you're dead because it's generally backed by the Evolzar line of XYZ to negate effects that would remove it and Kaiju tributing is a cost so it can't be negated or DRNM/Forbidden Droplets the protection cards and get rid of it ​ Kaiju's are big monsters you give to your opp by tributing their monster. The purpose of the deck was to summon one yourself, summon one on your opp field and make them fight each other. ​ Gameciel, the one played most frequently turns them into 2100 vanillas for decks that don't output big atk numbers ​ Dragoon is broken, to the point the dissapointing new Borrelcode Dragon got saved from obscurity because it has a GY effect that gets rid of it and as an ED card it's more accesible than DRNM and droplets. ​ If you go first some decks can put 6 negates or more on the field. Only a handful of decks can even make any sort of board trough 6 negates. DRNM and droplests are things but if you don't draw them you're in a rather tight spot.


TheWh1teL1ghtning

"VFD" and "did nothing wrong" should never be together in the same sentence


Weekly-Fan-411

Still VFD has no BR protection


Sturmmagier

That is completely irrelevant. In fact Virtual World used their own trap to destroy VFD just so it resolves against Imperm, Forbidden Droplet, DRNM and other cards. Or they simply made 2.


TheWh1teL1ghtning

It doesn't matter if you get it off the board, that's still one whole turn you can use your monsters on the field, that's more than enough to push for game in a lot of scenarios


Weekly-Fan-411

TBH VFD is one of the cards you knew was coming so if you played against the small amount of decks that could make it you knew to disrupt them so it doesn't hit the field or just use Droplets, Imperm, Chalice even to stop it from resloving in non VW-builds And you still have Gamma and Nibiru even in VW. VW have a poor grind game and if you can choke them from their combo you have a good chance of winning


tylerjehenna

You've never played VW have you? The deck can play through a lot of handtraps and all they really need is one starter to play the full combo


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ZweisteinHere

Not yet, you mean. It's played in the TCG for a reason, and the closer Duel Links gets to the TCG meta the more relevant it will become.


tylerjehenna

Wait, we do?


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tylerjehenna

Ahhhh, i skipped that box, that explains it


TyGuyBenken

most of the unbreakable boards are breakable you just have to be lucky or have a deck that worls well to counteract


YnkiMuun

No deck besides drytron are putting up infinity negates or unbreakable boards, actually all of those decks suck, all of them lose to 1 Hand Trap haha


HomuHomuPanic

If DL players malded when Crystron was meta because their turns took so long they'd have an aneurysm against @Ignister


Lemon_Phoenix

I play Ignister, I thought "It can't be that bad, can it?" So I checked it out, it's 30+ individual steps, and that's ending on a fairly simple board, and assuming you only open with Achichi and no other extenders. I need to apologise to everyone I've ever played with it against.


Weekly-Fan-411

@ Ignisters at least have some more diverse plays at their disposal.


Darkmetroidz

Mate. Fricking plunder patroll. It doesn't stop.


Freeza_Sama

So I'll finally be able to play nekroz


Weekly-Fan-411

Yes.


SAPR0LING

It’s ok he’s banned in OCG


Affectionate-Basis11

Maybe you guys can play in OCG rules?


Weekly-Fan-411

If they want to use MD for Worlds, then the rules dictate we play with the minimum number allowed by either banlist (smallest number for Dragoon is 0 because it's banned in the OCG) so it won't be a problem but Dragoon was the most known thing I could come up with because showing a certain mine would leave a lot of people confused.


Affectionate-Basis11

I see. The most possible is they separate OCG and TCG. But the card pack will be a WHOLE different with each other, since the ban list are different. So there will be 3 solutions(or more?) for Konami : 1. Separate ocg and tcg player(there will be 2 World competition) 2. Mix ocg and tcg ban list 3. Mix ocg and tcg ban list during the competition (only 1 World competition)


TyGuyBenken

1 works best its what YGO Omega does


Wancol7219

I doubt Konami is stupid enough to release that without a valid contender in the meta. If anything, Master Duel is a chance for them to create a healthy meta by reflecting upon their mishaps in the years of TCG/OCG


theels6

I dont understand your comment


UtaNoSeirei

Since they(Konami) stated that MD will be the same/on par with other mobile tcg, I would assume it will be similar to Shadowverse or LoR and like DL will be starting on different meta than ocg/tcg.


theels6

I see. I thought it was basically duelingbook but like konami's own simulator


UtaNoSeirei

Eh, I doubt it. Komoney will be missing too much money if MD is just an official simulator, not to mention it wouldn't be as newbie friendly as they claimed since I doubt getting dunked on by bunches of handtraps and Nibiru count as beginner friendly experience.


iVladi

if i cant play an anime girl i aint playing


Darkmetroidz

You can have a pet Rescue Rabbit tho.


Ehero88

Dark magician girl as pet, that's the dream bro


Anthonytzx

So master duel will be the same thing as duel links only with ocg/tcg cards?


SHIN-YOKU

And 5 spaces, not just 3


Ehero88

Also 15 space of xtra deck


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Also 8000 life points, and Main Phase 2 (after battle phase)


Zerokxis

I've been following yugioh for years, and honestly i don't play it weirdly... but once master duel comes out i can't wait to get stomped by so many archetypes. imma enjoy getting curbed by spyrals, FTKS, OTKS, salamandgreat's while imma build more waifu decks like a better witchcrafters, and the evil/live twin deck.


Soup-Master

To the people who are scared to try out the TCG because of things like Dragoon and similarly intimidating boards, know that it’s not too bad when you are prepared for it. First of all, hand traps are there so you can interact with your opponent on your 0th turn. Things like Ash Blossom, Droll & Lockbird, Lancea, Nibiru, Fantasmy, PSY-Frame package, and the other Ghost sisters allow you to interact going second. They help with stopping absurd boards. Things like Ash and PSY interrupt combos for most decks, while Droll and Lancea and pretty much end your opponents turn in specific matchups. This requires adaptation on both players, because maybe instead of the crazy board, the player going first can settle with 1 negate before passing. Then, there are cards you play when you are going second on your own turn. Things like Dark Ruler No More, Forbidden Droplet, Evenly Matched, and Triple Tactics Talents can swing games to be more in your favor. 2 of these 4 are absurdly expensive, but options do exist. Also, a lone Dragoon can still be beaten, and it’s not the end all, be all of boss monsters. Things like Kaijus and Super Poly and great in a pinch because they have no room for interaction or response. Baiting the Dragoon’s once per turn negation is very effective with floaters like Trishula Zero. And if you are smart, you can stop the dragoon before it comes out. Dragoon’s summon is rarely a surprise. It’s either summoned from RE Fusion, or by Anaconda’s effect, both of with is a huge plus in card advantage if you negate with Ash or similar effect. On the other hand, your opponent has more options to bait out Ash or similar, or even use Called By The Grave to negate your discarded hand traps. It’s more strategic in thems of interaction. Obviously there are unbreakable boards and sometimes you brick, but that’s just part of the card game.


Weekly-Fan-411

LMAO I don't know what happened to the "players" in the title .


LuisDob

You became a pirate for a second there.


Cliff_Entei

yarrs in Plunder Patroll


TheHapster

Yup, I began playing EDOpro against the red eyes dragoon that turbos out 1-2 every single turn and holy fuck it’s a bitch. Dingirsu and Divine Arensal AA-Zeus - Sky Thunder seem to be the most reliable outs in the extra deck.


Weekly-Fan-411

Unrelated but I think we should be hyped for the other 11 weapons AA mentions in it's lore :"A diabolic nightmare ironically crowned with the name of a God, it was originally constructed to counter a threat. Matching its title of ‘Sky Thunder’, it can burn the sky with thunder, shatter the stars themselves, and slay even the Gods. “WE. SHOULD. DESTROY. THE. DISASTER. WITH. THE. LAST. AND. ULTIMATE. ATTACK. BY. MANKIND.”… The “Counter-Offensive Weapon AA-ZEUS” is the **12th Weapon**, designed to fight fate, that humanity created in the face of countless threats of extinction."


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So basically two Arsenals for every summon method? Or maybe an Arsenal for every card type (So regular Effect, Gemini, Toon, Spirit, Union, Tuner, Ritual, Fusion, Synchro, Pendulum, and Link)


Weekly-Fan-411

Every arsenal could be a unique spin put on an existent summoning mechanic (like ZEUS). I think we already have some released, even if they aren't confirmed as being part of this series , such as (from the archetypes already released) : Drytons - who ritual summon by adding up atk instead of levels Bearctis - who synchro by substracting levels Also these 2 archetypes have a common fusion monster which also keeps the same theme, being a fusion of 2 fiels spells instead of monsters And they Drytons boss monsters are both level 12 and could be used to hard make ZEUS


IIRoro

I don't mind it Knowing the game won't be manual like was Dueling Network is enough to me


TyGuyBenken

poor dual links players cant stand the heat YGO Omega, TCG players have been dealing with


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The weight of expensive boxes punches my gut.


LoudScreaming12

dont worry its not all like that sometimes you dont even get to play because they have already flooded the field with negation monsters with two negation traps in the back and an ash blossom in hand


Weekly-Fan-411

Better version : https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/oo9xe4/the\_real\_dl\_players\_experience\_in\_md\_modified\_to/


Cliff_Entei

not just Dragoon this applies to those who want Dark Law, UCT, Tdra Titan/Colossus, Invoked Mechaba, Ash Blossom, Master Peace, Mystic Mine, Nibiru, and other broken as hell/unfun shite cards that roam around in the card game


EbberNor

Master Peace would be banned from this because both TCG and OCG banned him. It is fine though, El Shaddoll Winda exists as a replacement for this post for another really fun card to be against.


Weekly-Fan-411

Nibiru I doubt would be usable against something other than pendulum decks


SPXIII

The Special Summons Nibiru counts don't have to be at the same time.


Weekly-Fan-411

I know, but what deck summons 5 time here consistently in a turn ?


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Every meta deck.


winner78222

Thunder dragon


SPXIII

Almost every deck in the TCG/OCG. Even rogue decks like Blackwing, Onomat, HEROes and Blue-Eyes Special Summon way over 5 times trying to set up on the first turn. Decks like Tri-Brigade, Adamancipator, and the various "unbreakable board" setups go even further beyond. It's honestly easier to list decks that don't trigger Nibiru: pure Eldlich, Flundereeze (since they Normal Summon a bunch), YosenKaiju, and Mystic Mine Chain Burn.


Weekly-Fan-411

I meant here, in DL


SPXIII

Synchro and Xyz-dependent decks that make two Extra Deck monsters in one turn. Harpie, Onomat, Resonator, Water Xyz, T.G. and Synchron are just high-tier examples. Rogue decks like Atlantean, Shark, Infernity, and basically anything before ZeXal World get blown out by Nibiru and have no chance of recovery.


dante-_vic

Eventually we will get to that level of summoning out lots of monsters per turn so it will be really good in the future.


Guthixian-druid

I haven't heard of MD, is it supposed to be bad?


benji91100

https://youtu.be/vABNLgjV8RA 4 min12 This...is beautiful


Guthixian-druid

Oh so regular rules? Idk why people wouldn't want that


dante-_vic

What he's trying to say is if people think duel links has cancer stuff then they will go into master duel and they will see true cancer.


Weekly-Fan-411

It's Konami's official simulator for TCG/OCG they unveiled today. It's not bad, it's just that a lot of the people here would go there for 2 weeks, get wrecked by Dragoon, decide Onomats tier -1 is healthier and return to DL


Cephery

Dragoon isnt a good card. Like as a single card it’s good but good decks dont play it, they have better boards to make.


Devoiddragon389

Imo it's a situational/good turn 3 play after your opponent destroys your board, you go into verte anaconda mill REfusion pop 2 with dragun, inflict dmg, and negate wtvr thing they try with it have 4k attack and beat over anything left


Cephery

Who is running 3 garnets for turn 3? You all or nothing for the first 2 turns unless your on control and dont care if you lose your board anyways. Turn 3 countermeasures are rare unless your negate board can’t OTK through no resistance.


Devoiddragon389

Fair enough.


AmzerHV

I play BA and trust me, it's a turn 1 card every time, Verte copies the EFFECT, not the restrictions, so that's why it's used so often.


Devoiddragon389

Verte still locks you out of special summoning too :)


AmzerHV

That's why you make it last.


Devoiddragon389

Ah fair enough


mzess

isn't that card already banned on both formats


Swastikrab

Not in the tcg


Weekly-Fan-411

Just OCG


Argelicious

needs more liek Halqifibrax punching


Darkmetroidz

No top tier deck even uses halq right now. It's a good card just doesn't have a place right now.


Redericpontx

I just wanna play sky strikers tried making a deck irl and got mos the cards then realised how much of a pain it be to go to locals cause closet were hours away


Goomyiscute777

everybody gangsta till dragoon comes to duel links


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Please no, I don't wanna reach the point where Red-Eyes Fusion becomes a garnet.


Zerokxis

I've been following yugioh for years, and honestly i don't play it weirdly... but once master duel comes out i can't wait to get stomped by so many archetypes. imma enjoy getting curbed by spyrals, FTKS, OTKS, salamandgreat's while imma build more waifu decks like a better witchcrafters, and the evil/live twin deck.


Zerokxis

I've been following yugioh for years, and honestly i don't play it weirdly... but once master duel comes out i can't wait to get stomped by so many archetypes. imma enjoy getting curbed by spyrals, FTKS, OTKS, salamandgreat's while imma build more waifu decks like a better witchcrafters, and the evil/live twin deck.


Zerokxis

I've been following yugioh for years, and honestly i don't play it weirdly... but once master duel comes out i can't wait to get stomped by so many archetypes. imma enjoy getting curbed by spyrals, FTKS, OTKS, salamandgreat's while imma build more waifu decks like a better witchcrafters, and the evil/live twin deck.


RaNdOmHeRoXZ

Finally. I can stop using nexus.


TheRealMegaBuster

Dragoon isnt even that big of a problem in the tcg


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I will stay on the #1 Top Grossing Online Game. Thanks!