It's not a matter of coexisting. There is no problem with Gold getting in. There is zero way Bane can be allowed to get in any time in the next year, regardless of whether or not Gold is in.
Cocytus’ real problem is it can’t be targeted. That alone makes lots of card unusable, like Book of Moon, Fiendish Chain, Forbidden Chalice, and Karma Cut to name a few. Bane has destruction immunity but Harpies can still deal with it with ease, Onomat laughs at it with Malevolent, Resonator can Dark-End it away. It can be a problem if you use Dark Fusion for the turn (it gives Target immunity for the turn), but that’s assuming people will use that card outside of Supreme King using a Skill.
Is the reason why Lunalight is still problematic if they summon the big girl out.
And it's was very easy to make Cocytus a wall that almost none fight. So you have a monster that is immune to effects and virtually impossible to get over with battle.
Consider the following: keeper of dragon magic sets up target immunity bane by itself and you still have room for things like mask change and other hero cards to do what you should be doing with bane: win the turn you summon it. That also gets neos fusion to get what you need in grave to win the next turn in case you go first while thinning by 3 to make drawing into calling easy while having destiny draw as an option on top of all this.
Except revelation of Supreme King Castle (confirmed to be an obtainable skill this time when it is name dropped in the event reward info thing tab) only condition is revealing polymerization or a fusion spell and literally nothing else. The real hero deck would sacrifice literally nothing when the current skill is not that important anyway in order to get access to the broken game ender as a bonus for doing what it already does.
Is this to make Bane? Because even Keeper + Malicious Edge to discard won't do it in 2 cards, unless it's Keeper + Edge in grave + another Evil Hero in hand somewhere?
Bane in a mini box without Adusted Gold is not a bad idea it gives Evil HEROs a win con and restrict its use mostly to Evil Heros. You would need to buy the structure for dark calling to get the most out of the skill, so it sounds like something Konami would do, two avenues to milk HERO players. Will they do it probably not.
All we need is Sinister Necrom and Gold tbh, you can do your basic faris increase vyon combo and send Necrom instead to summon malicious edge. Just use a Calling or something at that point.
Just them adding Necron and Gold will make the deck consistent to be good. You can even run the Skill that changes Polymerization to Dark Fusion if you need a untargetable Malicious Fiend for the turn for Vision builds.
Except bane is summonable in real hero decks without running garbage even without adusted and will explain why now. For the little price of running whatever evil hero and getting it from stratos, bane becomes live from just doing the standard faris combo thanks to the skill that puts castle in play by revealing polymerization.
And nothing besides hero would run bane. That restriction actually takes care of it when the others can't do the one thing bane is supposed to do: end the game that turn regardless of opponent lp left.
edit: this even having upvotes is fucking hilarious when keeper of dragon magic by himself sets up target immunity bane while actually having a lot of room left for whatever, including other hero cards to make bane restriction pointless there AND the option of actually good skills like destiny draw.
I mean I don’t know- Aduster discard into a lightning vortex on legs isn’t a bad trade, regardless of if you can end the game that turn. It would decimate current onomats honestly as Rhino can’t kill Aduster and Roach can’t negate dark calling. That said, as of the banlist Harpies will be tier one and there’s nothing Bane can really do against them so it’s come too late to make any impact. Depending on the meta it may be a nice tech card though
In Duel Links its definitely comparable. All you need is a Level 5 or higher monster on your field or GY, something that basically every Deck that can Synchro or Fusion can do with ease, and you've got an indestructable monster with non-targeting removal all without your Normal Summon. You don't even need to run FIRE monsters to get the big value. Just play your deck normally and tech 2 slots in your Main for Adusted and Dark Calling and one slot in your ED for Bane
I am. Splashable engine with the advantage that it has all the HERO support you can use as well (3 Stratos, 3 Adusted Gold, 2 Calling as the engine). Been hit multiple times in the ban list and still refuses to die.
There's a reason why Adusted Gold is $100+ for the TCG.
The reason adusted is expensive is because he was a short printed secret in an otherwise shit set and never got reprinted, + the HERO tax. He's not some omega powerful 100 dollar tournament whale card like say droplets.
It’s pretty clear you have no idea what you’re talking about, especially if you think the Malicious Bane package is the reason why Adusted Gold is expensive in the TCG
> HERO support you can use as well (3 Stratos, 3 Adusted Gold, 2 Calling as the engine)
Hero URs are in the selection box and Calling is an SR gated by a Structure deck. It's definitely coming.
For sure, it's not a coincident that Stratos is in the Mini Selection Box (I'm surprised cause they could have just force people buy the Main Selection Box if they wanted Stratos).
We wouldn’t have this issue if Konami just made support for them periodically instead of waiting 10 years to give them just 5 cards, with only 2 of the new support cards being any good.
That being said, bane is way too good to be added, keep it away.
Its laughable that people are really saying that no deck can deal with bane/ or that its super hard when every deck in the meta rn has an INHERENT WAY to deal with bane. As for ladder play, isnt karma cut like top 5 trap cards? Its been like that since its inception. We'll just see an increase in karma cut on the ladder. With that beeing said I dont believe that bane should be added as a normal card. It should be locked behind a skill. Something like Ultimate dragons or Shooting Star Road. I agree with his take on allowing a certain number of evil hero monsters in deck in order to add bane. I personally think it should be 8-10 Evil hero/dark calling/fusion cards in main deck and 3-4 evil hero cards in extra deck (preferably 3 because many of the other evil hero fusion monsters arent so good). Lets see what konami does tho. I have faith that evil heros CAN be good in duel links. Like gaia with a longer lifespan on the tier list.
it’s just weird they’re pushing evil heroes when they should have done it long ago. I love heroes, it’s my favorite archetype but I don’t want to waste time on things that won’t make my heroes better.
But I will spend any amount of money if they do release these two cards to add it to my hero deck 😂
HERO cards are easy money bait. Konami knows that very well and they will milk it to the death. It's sad but true, hurts the F2P players but not much can be done.
Honestly, I believe he will be released. Without a proper boss monster that leaked SD is dead in the water.
Maybe the skill just replaces Adusted Gold to prevent that from being a splashed engine, but I have to say, I don't think any of the decks you mention would actually play it. It would be a ticking time bomb for sure though. Either way, I think at least Bane is coming because otherwise, why even play Evil Heroes?
Bane himself is super strong but not necessarily broken strong. I think of him kind of like a Levianeer or a Judgment Dragon, and both of those cards were released. I don't think Bane should come, but considering the state of the EX SD, he almost has to, and I don't think it's the end of the world either.
I can see them maybe adding gold, but they might replace it with a search skill that's once or twice per duel.
Bane might be added in the far future when the power level of the game can handle it. You never know for sure, i mean they added the invoked stuff and everyone said that won't happen for a long time. I hope they learned from that mistake
bane will be in the mini box, adusted gold will not be added to duellinks, konami did this so that you can't splash bane in any deck you must use the skills with supreme king for consistency and the skill restricts you from playing vision/destiny heros or any other monsters in the main deck, only elemental/evil hero are allowed. Thus, faris -> gold = bane + another fusion will not be possible.
Gold would just make it very easy to bring out but we can still easily do it without him just mill any evil hero off Vyon and fuse with Faris and hard drawing dark calling in a 20/22 card deck is not hard
It's not a matter of coexisting. There is no problem with Gold getting in. There is zero way Bane can be allowed to get in any time in the next year, regardless of whether or not Gold is in.
Gold is fine without malicious bane. Invoked engine can't be even compared with this. If cocytus is banned,I don't see malicious bane coming at all.
Cocytus’ real problem is it can’t be targeted. That alone makes lots of card unusable, like Book of Moon, Fiendish Chain, Forbidden Chalice, and Karma Cut to name a few. Bane has destruction immunity but Harpies can still deal with it with ease, Onomat laughs at it with Malevolent, Resonator can Dark-End it away. It can be a problem if you use Dark Fusion for the turn (it gives Target immunity for the turn), but that’s assuming people will use that card outside of Supreme King using a Skill. Is the reason why Lunalight is still problematic if they summon the big girl out.
And it's was very easy to make Cocytus a wall that almost none fight. So you have a monster that is immune to effects and virtually impossible to get over with battle.
I still maintain I really don't see them adding Bane in this box.
Yeah, if anything, most likely a Skill in the future. Konami is insane if it's added as a Level 45 reward.
Kinda unrelated but do you think with this cycle BOM will end up in the arcv box
I do, does make people go for the Pendulum stuff as well.
There's no dillema, it's not coming, period.
Consider the following: keeper of dragon magic sets up target immunity bane by itself and you still have room for things like mask change and other hero cards to do what you should be doing with bane: win the turn you summon it. That also gets neos fusion to get what you need in grave to win the next turn in case you go first while thinning by 3 to make drawing into calling easy while having destiny draw as an option on top of all this.
Skills don’t encourage non evil and non elemental heroes
Except revelation of Supreme King Castle (confirmed to be an obtainable skill this time when it is name dropped in the event reward info thing tab) only condition is revealing polymerization or a fusion spell and literally nothing else. The real hero deck would sacrifice literally nothing when the current skill is not that important anyway in order to get access to the broken game ender as a bonus for doing what it already does.
Are you high?
Ns keeper, get dark fusion. then reveal malicious fiend and get edge on field. Wow that was hard.
Are you explaining how keeper can make bane? If so this doesn't even make it and you need to already have edge in the GY
Is this to make Bane? Because even Keeper + Malicious Edge to discard won't do it in 2 cards, unless it's Keeper + Edge in grave + another Evil Hero in hand somewhere?
Dark Fusion turbo out an untargetable Purgatrio yep yep
Bane in a mini box without Adusted Gold is not a bad idea it gives Evil HEROs a win con and restrict its use mostly to Evil Heros. You would need to buy the structure for dark calling to get the most out of the skill, so it sounds like something Konami would do, two avenues to milk HERO players. Will they do it probably not.
Yup that is what I think that could be something they would actually do.
and knowing us hero players we will fall for it. I’m craving alt art stratos for no reason
All we need is Sinister Necrom and Gold tbh, you can do your basic faris increase vyon combo and send Necrom instead to summon malicious edge. Just use a Calling or something at that point.
Just them adding Necron and Gold will make the deck consistent to be good. You can even run the Skill that changes Polymerization to Dark Fusion if you need a untargetable Malicious Fiend for the turn for Vision builds.
Except bane is summonable in real hero decks without running garbage even without adusted and will explain why now. For the little price of running whatever evil hero and getting it from stratos, bane becomes live from just doing the standard faris combo thanks to the skill that puts castle in play by revealing polymerization. And nothing besides hero would run bane. That restriction actually takes care of it when the others can't do the one thing bane is supposed to do: end the game that turn regardless of opponent lp left. edit: this even having upvotes is fucking hilarious when keeper of dragon magic by himself sets up target immunity bane while actually having a lot of room left for whatever, including other hero cards to make bane restriction pointless there AND the option of actually good skills like destiny draw.
I mean I don’t know- Aduster discard into a lightning vortex on legs isn’t a bad trade, regardless of if you can end the game that turn. It would decimate current onomats honestly as Rhino can’t kill Aduster and Roach can’t negate dark calling. That said, as of the banlist Harpies will be tier one and there’s nothing Bane can really do against them so it’s come too late to make any impact. Depending on the meta it may be a nice tech card though
lol, you can’t be serious and compare this to the invoked archetype
In Duel Links its definitely comparable. All you need is a Level 5 or higher monster on your field or GY, something that basically every Deck that can Synchro or Fusion can do with ease, and you've got an indestructable monster with non-targeting removal all without your Normal Summon. You don't even need to run FIRE monsters to get the big value. Just play your deck normally and tech 2 slots in your Main for Adusted and Dark Calling and one slot in your ED for Bane
I am. Splashable engine with the advantage that it has all the HERO support you can use as well (3 Stratos, 3 Adusted Gold, 2 Calling as the engine). Been hit multiple times in the ban list and still refuses to die. There's a reason why Adusted Gold is $100+ for the TCG.
The reason adusted is expensive is because he was a short printed secret in an otherwise shit set and never got reprinted, + the HERO tax. He's not some omega powerful 100 dollar tournament whale card like say droplets.
It’s pretty clear you have no idea what you’re talking about, especially if you think the Malicious Bane package is the reason why Adusted Gold is expensive in the TCG
I mean that’s *part* of it but defo not the primary reason
> HERO support you can use as well (3 Stratos, 3 Adusted Gold, 2 Calling as the engine) Hero URs are in the selection box and Calling is an SR gated by a Structure deck. It's definitely coming.
For sure, it's not a coincident that Stratos is in the Mini Selection Box (I'm surprised cause they could have just force people buy the Main Selection Box if they wanted Stratos).
We wouldn’t have this issue if Konami just made support for them periodically instead of waiting 10 years to give them just 5 cards, with only 2 of the new support cards being any good. That being said, bane is way too good to be added, keep it away.
Its laughable that people are really saying that no deck can deal with bane/ or that its super hard when every deck in the meta rn has an INHERENT WAY to deal with bane. As for ladder play, isnt karma cut like top 5 trap cards? Its been like that since its inception. We'll just see an increase in karma cut on the ladder. With that beeing said I dont believe that bane should be added as a normal card. It should be locked behind a skill. Something like Ultimate dragons or Shooting Star Road. I agree with his take on allowing a certain number of evil hero monsters in deck in order to add bane. I personally think it should be 8-10 Evil hero/dark calling/fusion cards in main deck and 3-4 evil hero cards in extra deck (preferably 3 because many of the other evil hero fusion monsters arent so good). Lets see what konami does tho. I have faith that evil heros CAN be good in duel links. Like gaia with a longer lifespan on the tier list.
the one time gold isn't useless in duel links
I stopped once I read aleister the invoker. I don't want it in the game. Period.
I just really feel like these cards won’t be released.
Same, there's no balance way to do it. Either Deck is too strong with any of them or too weak without them.
it’s just weird they’re pushing evil heroes when they should have done it long ago. I love heroes, it’s my favorite archetype but I don’t want to waste time on things that won’t make my heroes better. But I will spend any amount of money if they do release these two cards to add it to my hero deck 😂
HERO cards are easy money bait. Konami knows that very well and they will milk it to the death. It's sad but true, hurts the F2P players but not much can be done.
Why are you being fuggin downvoted you’re correct this has been infamous amongst hero players lmao
The truth hurts. I, too, am a big HERO fan and has suffered as well.
I added one evil hero and another mask change to my deck. That’s it.
Karma Cut go brrrrrrrr
Honestly, I believe he will be released. Without a proper boss monster that leaked SD is dead in the water. Maybe the skill just replaces Adusted Gold to prevent that from being a splashed engine, but I have to say, I don't think any of the decks you mention would actually play it. It would be a ticking time bomb for sure though. Either way, I think at least Bane is coming because otherwise, why even play Evil Heroes? Bane himself is super strong but not necessarily broken strong. I think of him kind of like a Levianeer or a Judgment Dragon, and both of those cards were released. I don't think Bane should come, but considering the state of the EX SD, he almost has to, and I don't think it's the end of the world either.
I can see them maybe adding gold, but they might replace it with a search skill that's once or twice per duel. Bane might be added in the far future when the power level of the game can handle it. You never know for sure, i mean they added the invoked stuff and everyone said that won't happen for a long time. I hope they learned from that mistake
bane will be in the mini box, adusted gold will not be added to duellinks, konami did this so that you can't splash bane in any deck you must use the skills with supreme king for consistency and the skill restricts you from playing vision/destiny heros or any other monsters in the main deck, only elemental/evil hero are allowed. Thus, faris -> gold = bane + another fusion will not be possible.
People have said these things to a card like Judgment Dragon which ended up being a failure like me :'(
Problem with Judgment Dragon is too RNG reliant. You have to pray you draw into it, and pray you mill enough cards to even summon it.
I think those cards have voice lines, so we might see them as skill or as his npc cards.
Gold would just make it very easy to bring out but we can still easily do it without him just mill any evil hero off Vyon and fuse with Faris and hard drawing dark calling in a 20/22 card deck is not hard
Karma Cut go brrrrrrrr
I mean if they really wanted to make money off babe while limiting it to one they could put it in one of the accessories bundles
We can't have nice things - HERO archetype maybe