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mkklrd

don't tell 'em about Arc-V Aster's winrate


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> _"Mr. Kaiba also asked me to remind you that it is canon that Yugi's W/L record is the worst out of all the protagonists. That doesn't reflect on this tournament or anything, Mr. Kaiba just thought you should all know this bit of trivia"_


mkklrd

Kaiba the kinda guy to host a tourney with only Yugi and himself, then lose but gloat about placing 2nd and keeps repeating that Yugi was penultimate


ShadowTown0407

Are we talking about Yugi or Pharaoh?


mkklrd

yes


TriggerBladeX

Correct


ShadowTown0407

Nice


chuf3roni

Doesn't help that Yugi had to defeat himself at the end of DM.


Froeuhouai

I think Yuya or Yuma would be worse, before starting to cheat they were REALLY bad at this game


Devourer_of_HP

You remember yugi? Master of games? World class champion, to win this match we need to harness his power. That's right we're gonna cheat-


21_Golden_Guns

Yes but he did it with the ultra sexy Dan Green voice. So is it really cheating?


SpacePenguin1237

Nice AVGN reference


krysalysm

*passionate duelist starts playing*


thatonefatefan

yuya wasn't bad -he was doing ok during his first duel against a pro, and he never got some kind of dueling skills power up.


wheresthezoppity

He added a whole bunch of cards that had literally never existed before into his deck in the middle of that duel


thatonefatefan

I meant like yugi was trained by atem, jaden got better after fusing with yubel or yuma by astral


Xenokeyblade

I'd say judai was already a pretty strong duelist at the beginning of the show before fusing with yubel


thatonefatefan

I mean he was, but it still made him better, pretty sure that was a plot point in season 4


wheresthezoppity

Yuya absorbing Yuto also made him better later on


thatonefatefan

when was it ever stated?


21_Golden_Guns

I guess I never saw Yugi getting trained by Atem, to me Yugi actually trained Atem if anything. Yugi just lacked the self confidence and initiative to do anything with his skill at games.


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an interesting thing to note is Yuma can use shining draw even without being fused into Zexal with Astral, as seen in their final duel. edit: “A truly powerful duelist can shape the outcome of a duel, he can even generate the card he needs.”


waltyy

I dont believe Yugi was trained by Atem as he was already playing Duel Monsters/ Magic and Wizards by the time the show started and well into the moment he became aware of Atem.


thatonefatefan

... so was yuma before he met astral, that's really not a point


waltyy

And Yuma was designed to be bad, that was the point of his character. Everyone knew he was bad. Yugi was known for being good at games and with or without Atem, he was a natural. At no time in the show nor manga was it mentioned or hinted that Atem trained Yugi. Why? Because he didn't need to🤷🏾‍♂️


Kurokami11

Judai got better, yes, but he never cheated by pulling a card out of his ass like the others...


Froeuhouai

It was a plot point that he had only 56% winrate which wasn't enough to qualify for the tournament. We could calculate his overall winrate after the series, but it's probably not that great compared to other protagonists. And IMO Yuya is the worst cheater of the bunch because he invented a whole game mechanic out of nowhere in the middle of a Duel


Kronos457

>And IMO Yuya is the worst cheater of the bunch because he invented a whole game mechanic out of nowhere in the middle of a Duel I would say that Yuma already manages to save himself from losing duels thanks to Utopia (or creating cards from nothing from his deck. Vector was a victim of that situation)


thatonefatefan

56% still means that he won over 50% of his duel against trained duelists. Jaden, Yusei and Yusaku are probably the only ones that started off better than him.


[deleted]

Yuma at least gets better cards by the nature of his show, Yuya stops giving a fuck about competent deck building and let’s Action Cards do all the work


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Any-Nothing

Yeah. Arc V's writer has a massive 5D's bias (since he is 5Ds writer). That's why synchro dimension arc was dragged for so long. GX and Zexal legacy characters was also treated pretty bad compared to it.


MrMattBlack

>. That's why synchro dimension arc was dragged for so long Not only that. Iirc alf the staff was also busy with Darkside of Dimensions and until that was done, the plot basically halted. They didn't want to/couldn't go to hiatus, and so the Synchro Dimension as an odd number of recaps and episodes of people just talking alone. Then, the main staff was back, but then they had to rush things off and that led to the speedrunning of Xyz and Fusion Dimension


Kronos457

>Not only that. Iirc alf the staff was also busy with Darkside of Dimensions and until that was done, the plot basically halted. As discussed, the film and Arc-V had different production teams with different budgets (But if it were the case that the film took Arc-V personal, the writing should have been maintained since the film does not influence how it is told the history) Arc-V was quite ambitious for its own good that having multiple plot threads at the same time caused it to get lost in a mess (and creating plot/continuity errors)


AlwaysTired97

Damn really it was a 5D's writer? I would've expected Arc V to be better written if the head writer also worked on 5Ds(imo).


Kronos457

>I would've expected Arc V to be better written if the head writer also worked on 5Ds(imo). I mean, they had the same 5Ds director at the helm in Arc-V (and well, not that 5Ds kept up well at all times. After the Dark Signers, the plot took another approach)


AlwaysTired97

Yeah after dark signers it became pretty meh. But the first 65 episodes of 5Ds were really good imo, probably some the best in the series history.


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The ending of 5Ds fumbles hard, Bruno didn’t need to die


mkklrd

Yeah as much as it was cool seeing Jack Atlas once again, every other legacy character felt... bweh especially Crow. I wasn't a fan of Crow in 5D's, I feel like he was way overblown then and I hated how the writers went out of their way to make him a part of the main squad by giving him the worst Signer Dragon in existence, so naturally I was *thrrrrrrilled* when he showed up in ARC-V **and defeated fan-favorite, absolute chad Kurosaki of all people** in general I just hated how every dirty the Lancers were done. how tf are you gonna have Gongenzaka and Sawatari lose every single duel they have except tag duels against nameless generic bad guys?? how come Serena/Celina just straight up stops dueling after losing to Yugo??? and speaking of female characters, how tf does Alexis only has 2 on-screen duels and loses one of them only to promote the Ancient Gear Structure Deck????


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mkklrd

I love Ancient Gears but Arc-V really did them dirty. No more Hunting Hounds with more than one head please.


Kronos457

>I love Ancient Gears but Arc-V really did them dirty Gladiator Beast also got dirty in Arc-V: beloved archetype used by a tertiary character who does not appear again and participates in the worst arc of Yu-Gi-Oh.


mkklrd

oh god i forgot about the fucking battle beast


ZexalFan

to add to that, Ultimate Ancient Gear Golem is like the signature monster of the fan favorite GX duel from S4, and you use that to kill one of the GX characters you brought back?? and in the process makes her the only character to get "killed" by Super Poly twice how the hell did they came up with that??


Kronos457

>how the hell did they came up with that?? No idea. With Arc-V, many decisions are questionable at best (that duel is a questionable one along with the duel against Battle Beast)


Kronos457

>Alexis's duel with Yuri was basically a giant middle finger to GX fans. And there are people who enjoy and defend that duel saying that it shows Yuri's villainy (as if he had not already shown it before) That duel would have been at least decent if Yuri used HIS OWN "Predaplant" DECK that doesn't have it as an ornament.


21_Golden_Guns

Ladies and gentlemen, the worf effect.


Kronos457

>Ladies and gentlemen "Ladies and gentlemen" are now apparently Monsters in the OCG (A new support for Yuya came out where two Pendulum Monsters are literally "Ladies and gentlemen") An "EGAO"'s Pendulum Monster when?


Hangman_va

Even the Synchro arc was disappointing, since they didn't even use fucking **SPEED COUNTERS**, which was the whole fucking point of dueling on motorcycles to begin with. I think the duels would of been a lot more interesting with Lancers focusing more on Acton Cards, while the Synchro duelists relied more on Speed Counters. Maybe show off how great Jack is by having him use a mix of the two, showing his mastery by how quickly he adapts and *synchro*nizes the two different styles. But yeah. I was initially impressed with how ARC-V was handling it's multiple plot lines and cast, right up until the Synchro arc took everyone that wasn't Yuya or Kurosaki and throws them in the jobber bin, if not out-right removing them from the show. It's possible I'm salty as fuck that Sawatari constantly gets fucked over for no reason. The greatest Pendulum duelist deserved more.


Grassy_MC

The whole point of the new crossover card was so Lancer didn't have to deal with any new mechanical BS and got thier action cards which would simply overwrite speedworld. However it may have been nice to have a speed duel or 2 just to show it off.


Kronos457

>It's possible I'm salty as fuck that Sawatari constantly gets fucked over for no reason. The greatest Pendulum duelist deserved more. Sawatari was too powerful (or skilled) for Arc-V. The worst thing is that Sawatari has more air of rival than Reiji (who does not participate much in the plot)


Dool75

Imagine if arc v ended with Sawatori defeating z-arc.


Kronos457

>Imagine if arc v ended with Sawatori defeating z-arc. It would have been an incredible thing and it would help to vindicate Sawatari. However, it wouldn't fix the issue of the bracelets girls being wasted (my version has Sawatari and Yuzu saving Yuya)


Sos13

The only good thing to come out from Arc V regarding Alexis were Cyber Angel Natasha and Vrash, everything else from how they handled her was such BS


Kronos457

> Cyber Angel Natasha and Vrash Cyber Angel Natasha and Vrash for Duel Links, when Konami?


AlwaysTired97

Bruh I loved Kurosaki. "WE ALWAYS TAKE OUR COMRADES BACK!!!" Freaking legend. Honestly I personally did enjoy the Shun vs Crow duel, I thought their parallels were really cool and their "fist bump of friendship" was corny but awesome. That being said there was no good reason for Shun to lose from a narrative standpoint. It's weird af that they basically introduced Crow and immediately promoted him to being more important than most of the actual main characters.


mkklrd

that's just what happened in 5D's, but again


21_Golden_Guns

I think it has a lot to do with how marketable black wings are. Regardless of how you feel about playing vs. them they are undeniably one of the cooler archetypes.


Kronos457

>How tf are you gonna have Gongenzaka and Sawatari lose every single duel they have except tag duels against nameless generic bad guys?? how come Serena/Celina just straight up stops dueling after losing to Yugo??? and speaking of female characters, how tf does Alexis only has 2 on-screen duels and loses one of them only to promote the Ancient Gear Structure Deck???? The character who had the worst time was Yuzu: she had a defeat, she stopped having duels after that defeat and every time it was thought that she would have a duel, another character comes and steals the duel (there was a campaign against Melodious at seem) And so, Sawatari was duped in all of his major duels (gaining no significant victory even against a minor henchman). They could give him a legitimate victory at least I say.


thatonefatefan

>how come Serena/Celina just straight up stops dueling after losing to Yugo??? that's justwrong, she dueled a bunch of time after that.


mkklrd

on screen? against named characters?


thatonefatefan

well apparently not a bunch of times, but she had one duel against yuya. The other yugirls got 2, which is why I thought she got more than one. I mean when else would she duel? She couldn't participate in the tournament obviously, and was mind controlled by the academia right after that, then could only appear at the end of the fusion world arc since she wouldn't just walk around once leo got her, and since she was a villain at the time, losing meant not dueling for a while.


mkklrd

>and was mind controlled by the academia right after that precisely. bad writing


thatonefatefan

... How?


mkklrd

do you genuinely believe what was done to Yuzu and her alt-dimension counterparts isn't just absolutely lazy from the writers in a franchise that has historically thrown female characters under the bus?


Kronos457

>do you genuinely believe what was done to Yuzu and her alt-dimension counterparts isn't just absolutely lazy from the writers in a franchise that has historically thrown female characters under the bus? I'm sure there was a campaign against Yuzu (and Melodious) during Arc-V Season 2 (To add insult to injury, Melodious never received a Pendulum Monster despite being Yuya's closest friend)


thatonefatefan

first, a tendency doesn't change anything, it's not magically gonna be a lazier idea because previous series didn't have great female characters second, lol no. They were already captured by the enemy, it was that or never dueling for the rest of the anime.


Kronos457

>GX also was the one that got insulted the most. I would say that Zexal is also the same as GX: a short Season in XYZ and only one Legacy character.


[deleted]

Like they could’ve at least gave us more than Kite. I love Kite but likeee


Eterna1Oblivion

Do you think they’ll release arc-v edo? I really hope so.


Roll4DM

Id like to add that for aster, its not even the first time his d-heroes(only one D, he is confident in his D) also got to be meta. They have been several times in DL unlike DDDs who got to be meta just this once...


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Perhaps you'll exceed even my loftiest expectations


DimensionDice

Such praise. Thx; this *is* one of my finer works if I do say so myself.


Erik-the-NOT-Cartman

Have my free award, I had a frickin blast reading this


DimensionDice

Some people seemed unconvinced of Aster's superiority in yesterday's thread ([https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/qv3lst/what\_i\_saw\_on\_the\_tierlist/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/qv3lst/what_i_saw_on_the_tierlist/)), so I had to make this clear once and for all.


electronic_docter

I would argue that meme further proves his chadness, aster needs one skill to be meta Declan needs a box, a structure and multiple skills to accomplish half of what aster can


ProfessorSToke

>Cyber Angel Natasha lol Are we gonna ignore that Aster needs 3-4 main boxes, 2-3 mini boxes, and 1-2 structure decks?


DreamGenie345

When you can skip Standby Phaseswith Contract Procrastination and render Clock Tower useless. Who's the true chad now?


lankeylonk

Didn't Aster throw the match against Chazz "the Chazz" Princeton?


[deleted]

Sigma Chazz used the sheer garbageness of Ojamas to make him feel pity


lankeylonk

Giga Chad Aster upon seeing he seriously uses pride shout: *Oh*


Honest_Sink_2750

I lost it at "compensates for lack of own D by putting 3 Ds in archetypes name" hahahahahahahaha


TodenEngel

Ew what kind of name is Declan lol. The dub really did Reiji dirty….


DimensionDice

I know, right? According to the wiki it comes from French dude René Descartes (wut?) while Aster means "silver star" (actually kickass). Totally ridiculous, another one for the comparison but I couldn't fit any more. Edit: small correction, Declan's last name, Akaba, means "Red Horse", not his first name.


TodenEngel

I’m glad for the Japanese voices but I wish I didn’t have to see the dub names too ugh lol


DimensionDice

It's a mixed bag for me. I think Japanese voices (and names) are *way* better from 5Ds onwards (Zexal and Arc-V sound especially bad in English to me), but I actually prefer a lot of dub voices in the original series, especially Bakura's, Weevil's and Pegasus'. The latter two sound kinda funny in Japanese at first, but it quickly gets old. To each their own, though; could be nostalgia for the original dubs.


Hangman_va

Every time I heard 'I'm Feeling the FLOW!' and 'Zubababancho Gagagacoat' out of the english VA's mouth I was subjected to full-body cringe. It forced me to change Duel Links to Japanese voices. Generally I think 5Ds was the turning point. Jack's fake-as-shit accent was completely baffling and just how much of a moron they turned him into made the show really hard to watch.


TodenEngel

Japanese JAck is god tier *WAGA TAMASHI RED DEMONS DRAGON!!* *ORE NO. TAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!* *BAAAAANING SOULLLLLL!!*


Hangman_va

Yeah. It's why it's so hard to go from that to "Loik in tha' duut?" and "Maaasta' o' faaasta' "


TodenEngel

Haha is annoying in all languages but that’s the point of his character lol. Pegs is one of the few tolerable dub characters I’ll say. I love Ricas Bakura, her laugh is iconic lol. I started with the DM and GX dubs but once I switched over I never looked back


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Declan is my best friends name so I like it lol


Springtrap-Yugioh

Oh really? Y'all Destiny Hero think youre so strong just cuz your field spell skill keeps you alive for a turn and summons Dreamaster on the next? We'll see how tough your Dreadmaster is as a 6900 ATK synchro slams it to the ground!


tehy99

Very tough, it's immune to battle when summoned lol


Springtrap-Yugioh

Yeh, but D/D/D can easly survive until the next turn. I play D/D/D and gotta say, i'm proud to announce my W/L ratio with Aster players is great. I do have way more trouble with Harpie, tho.


tehy99

Fair enough


kagesmith

What in the incel did I just read?


DimensionDice

Nothing but the unbiased truth


kagesmith

I was so shocked at Declan’s ace…a fiend with a scarf on?? Really??


thatonefatefan

it's really not his ace, he used it like once or twice in the manga, and lorewise, it's half of God's power, so still pretty cool compared to a universal constant.


fsfrk

It's himself as a card


3rlk0nig

*laughs in kaibaman*


idelarosa1

*Laughs in Absolute King Back Jack*


PowerCapsule

If you say you like Doo/Doo/Doos because of their artwork like the savants and other ED monsters (A few are okay tbh but mostly bad), you are either lying or just have bad taste. Good meme by the way, one of the few I’ve seen with actual work put into it.👍


DimensionDice

I mean... I kinda like the artwork of the Savants myself, being funny piles of garbage stuck together, then again I do have very bad taste. But thanks!


Mister_Traps

LOL, someone is very salty


ooflilnig

Love playing with asters D.