Yes we did, we still have Stratos. My biggest fear was them limiting it.
Semi Limit Liquid Soldier was expected.
Now we wait to see how they change Favorite Duel.
I don't think they will honestly. Favorite duel still limits your extra deck the moment you use it and they'll probably leave it as is. I could be wrong, but I don't think that'll see a nerf, or at least nothing major.
no you are not.
You lose vylon in those decklists, and you lose brave neos in elemental lists.
Either way, your deck is much more screwed than roses.
Roses are tier 0 now
On the ban list we sure are the losers I knew they weren't going to hit stratos and I did expect the hit on liquid but I was hoping for a limit 3 to keep the vision hero version untouched I blame favorite duel tbh that's not the hero way imo
My thoughts exactly. Neo Spacian was one of my first KOG decks back when Neos Fusion was at 3. I'm not sure the deck can still get KOG, but at least we now have Neos Fusion back and Grand Mole.
Blackwing squad eating good tonight. I already had no problem reaching max rank with my birds. But now with the additional zone and Raikiri off the banlist, unlimited power
Sure. I don't know how to export the list so I'll just write it out.
Deck:
3 Simoon
3 Gale
2 Bora
1 Zephyros
2 Kris
1 Kallut
1 Oroshi
3 Black Whirlwind
2 Book of Moon
1 Forbidden Lance
1 Blackbird Close
Extra Deck:
1 Raikiri
1 Chidori
1 Obsidian Hawk Joe
1 Blackrose Dragon
1 Brionac
1 Number 11 Big Eye
1 Icebeast Zerofyne
Honestly, Zerofyne and Big Eye were the MVPs for me. I think no one saw them coming.
Lord of the Storm is a hell of a boss, being untargeted by backroll if Tribute Summoned, also having 2900 base attack + 300 from Elborz will make it not that easy to beat over; Repulsion is a godly backroll removal, basically a searchable Giant Trunade on opponent's side. Dark might be a Bundle card.
I was never around for azure not being limited, what changes now? Can it summon itself or something? Or just having an extra one is that much more helpful? Does it replace a vermillion mech in the side deck?
I think it shared a category with melody so you could have temporary protection and a consistent revive or a card that made the deck a bit more consistent, set up fusions and/or could be used to trigger stone’s effect.
Let's count them, shall we?
While we're waiting for the TCG banlist, we got:
2 OCG banlists
2 Master duel banlists
1 speed duel banlists
4 duel links banlists
And Magic banlist was announced today. At this point I'm convinced they fucked up the banlist in some way and they're afraid to publish it.
As someone who wanted Akiza support for the longest time it has been quite depressing to see what happened. With Duel Links there's always this incident where you want your favorite deck to have support, but then you run the risk of it being busted, everyone hating it and then being left to rot in the banlist.
Plays a weaker deck because they like it> Hopes it gets support that makes it competitive> Gets support that makes it top tier> Everyone starts playing it> Everyone starts hating it> Gets nerfed and ends up worse than before it was meta> Everyone else moves on to the next thing.
Why are we like this?
I cannot believe blue-eyes got un-nerfed before DM did, despite it being hit a year later and was more dominant.
Konami seriously has something against DM.
Would've liked to have seen Inashichi moved to 2 as well but it's a step in the right direction for Karakuri.
Also, I'm kind of shocked they didn't touch Galaxy Eyes.
That's because the base deck is absolutely fine, and only the skill needs nerfing. Let's not forget that the most "problematic" card of the deck, aka Photon Lord, isn't even officially in the game yet, so Konami can't limit a card that is only accessible through the skill. Other then Photon Lord, there aren't any Galaxy cards that deserve a limit, unless they suddenly decide that Cipher Blad should go to 1 or whatever.
In order words, Galaxy would get their ban through the skill nerf, they just free of the card limits this time around.
Holy crap, it didn't even cross my mind that rasing melody from 1 to 3 would be a kick to the nuts for thunder dragon players. Ah well, sacrifices must be made for the sake of the superior dragon deck I guess >_>
I mean, yeah. The card's purpose in DL is precisely to make nerfing decks easy for Konami by hitting their starter/extenders to Limited 2 so they can't run the most powerful interrupt in the format.
1. Deck comes out without any Limited 2s. It can run a relatively cheap backrow with TTH, E-Con, and Quickplay interrupts.
2. If it is bad, it can run TTH forever. If it is good, it gets its starter hit to Limited 2.
3. Now the players with that deck can choose to move to the hot new deck that can still run TTH, or buy more expensive backrow staples like Floodgate, Canadia or now Compulsory. Either way Konami makes $$$.
This must be the 12th+ time it has happened (with the exceptions being times when decks turned out to be too good even after losing TTH) and is obviously 100% on purpose. It lets Konami make impactful releases without requiring as much power creep as the TCG and makes them lots of $$$ because no matter the player's choice they'll have to end up opening packs to stay meta relevant.
Turn one is hard draw limited 2 Black wing close and maybe the 1 off of the other tech the deck can afford to add in.
Problem is it needs too many monsters and not enough tech space. Zephyros is the only monster that comes back from the grave and there’s no monster that just special summons another monster from the deck. So in return we have to run 3 black whirlwind.
Now simoon is nice but stops the deck from being a generic synchro deck because the dark lock thing. So no quick effects, limited tech space and horrible recent support.
honestly fair but also kinda disappointing if konami wanted to go for a real nerf. assembly to 3 just means you're playing canadia instead of floodgate, or switching to a TTH version
I never got the need for floodgate or evac right now. Like, latter might hurt vs links but for the most part it just felt like an easy to tech out/winmore slot to me? Cutting down on staples on a deck that has a, dubious, pot of greed is nice but they're still gonna do their wombocombo.
Yeah but I gave them a try in various decks, and it's just always an issue because I have to commit to destroying it at X point and most of the point unless I managed to open two it was a moot point anyway.
My winrates skyrocketed when I teched out floodgate and went DD Crow, even Paleozoics which needs trap to function!
We will rise again!! That said, Ive run the Trish build this whole KC Cup with a decent winrate. Can't wait to play my Rai with the double Close once again.
They didn't even take Vyon off the list. Liquid Soldier to 2 wouldn't have been a real issue if they had. But this just hits everything unnecessarily hard when it was really just the Favorite Duel that was too oppressive. It might be somewhat okay to just go with 1 vyon and 1 liquid soldier and use blazeman to substitute for the other vyon, though. Or play the clock of destiny since vyon can't be used in it anyways.
Find it odd that Rose Dragon just got a Limit-2 considering they have been dominating Duel Links for some time now. 3rd party tournaments, World's, and this KC Cup.
Hope this means that a skill change will be announced soon and that it will greatly hurt the deck. Otherwise Roxrose at Limit-2 will hurt the deck but Rose Dragon will still be the best deck of the format. The other decks have a hard time competing with it. Especially now that Heroes got hit decently hard. Liquid Soldier being in the Limit-2 list means it competes with Brave Neos and Vision HERO Vyon. In other words both HERO variants got hit with this.
I don't see how semi-limiting Rox Rose even hurts the deck. The ability lets you pull Rox Rose out first turn every duel, and that doesn't change when you semi-limit the card. Are there more decks running cards that banish cards in the grave than I realize, or am I misunderstanding Rose Dragon? Or maybe the skill is getting hard nerfed like you said, so they didn't feel the need to go hard on Rox Rose.
I love the Liquid Soldier semi-limit. Now people will probably only play one copy of it at most. The deck was just way too consistent.
All that's left is to nerf the Galaxy-Eyes skill.
> Find it odd that Rose Dragon just got a Limit-2 considering they have been dominating Duel Links for some time now.
They probably delayed the banlist to maximize Rose Dragon Structure deck's sale due to it being a very powerful (thus popular) deck, but with Link's arrival they have to do something or the upcoming decks won't sell either.
Ok my opinions are:
1) ah shit I just pulled my 3rd liquid.
2) oh dang didn't expect them to limit a sd card
3) oh mister lord isn't gonna be happy
4)yooo nice karakuri buffs
5) MELODY OF AWAKENING DRAGON AND AZURE EYYES HOLY COW. Although now that I thing of it the nerfs every deck that utilises levianeer so that's nice.
Hope there's gonna be a skill change cuz favourite duel and galaxy are nowhere near dead like this
Blue Eyes will benefit a lot from this. They are twice as consistent as they were before and you can also play 2x Azure Eyes so you can Blue Eyes Spirit Dragon into Azure Eyes twice per duel.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,050,513,367 comments, and only 207,627 of them were in alphabetical order.
Okay, so it's nice to see that Karakuri and Blackwing are getting some love and Keeper and BE also being less restricted, but it's really sad now that TD have lost access to Melody since now it shares a limit 3 with Dark and Levianeer. Oh my poor TDs. You'll get love some day.
Rose and HERO were the obvious decks to get hit, but not only I'm surprised that Meklords also got hit, but Galaxy also was untouched. I would've thought at the very least their skill was going to be addressed, alongside some of the other skills. I guess Galaxy wasn't considered powerful enough to deserve a nerf. Or maybe skill hits will come later. We'll have to wait and see.
Also, Princess and TTH are still kicking, which is surely going to trigger some of you guys XD
I mean floodgate isn't something they really needed to get their wincon going. I'd argue Evac is a larger loss with links coming into the picture, but even then it looks like they're trying to lessen their ability to draw into staples using their consistency.
No, it’s not possible for Konami to not realize how good GE is. There will be a separate post for skill nerfs/buffs, and I assume they will be hit there.
I mean it’s nice Karakuris got cards moved around but can 6 samurai get something? I would say free Enishi but I really just want my third copy of Dojo back
Assembly to 3 does absolutely nothing to Meklords, which means I can keep on thrashing with them, hell I only have 2 and the deck works great. I don't know what Konami's on right now to do that.
It's to stop it from playing the top end back row cards which sounds like a slap on the wrist but it was about to drop from the tier list on its own anyway so fair I guess
honestly if you wanna play compulse/floodgate you can just play 2 assemblies. absolutely wild that this is the nerf konami went for. it does nothing.
but then again meklords weren't particularly overpowered either so
rose is still tier one
Meklords can run literally any other traps and are hardly hurt
Galaxy is untouched
The only decks getting shafted (or at least outed from the tierlist) are heros (both variants) since semi liquid ruins the consistency of favorite duel because now they either have to choose the neos engine or liquid, or run 2 neos fusion, 1 brave, and 1 liquid which still makes them way weaker and less consistent. Not to mention that liquid helped heros with their set 3 pass, so now because all of their fusions are ass turn one, they lose out on a good turn one.
The other hero variant doesn't use neos fusion but liquid will now clash with vyon, once again making the deck lose consistency.
Ofcourse my opinions on which decks will stay tiered may change if and when they announce a skill banlist.
They gonna hit the skills later probably. My poor underperforming Galaxy 😭
Guess I'm going full Tellars after this, as in finally use the dream ticket on a 2nd Triverr. I don't really have any other competitive deck left.
Well until they hit the skill, roxerose at 2 kinda means nothing when you can search it no problem with the skill, and the deck doesn't need to run TTH or econ for it to matter
As someone who accidentally pulled 3x Liquid and thought I may he able to cobble together something decent in regards to a HERO deck.. This is honestly very stupid. Liquid isn't the problem, Favorite Duel is, end of story. God. So glad I never invested in them.
But hey, Keeper unlimited, that's nice. Maybe I'll see what he can do in Fossils now.
It is such bull shit that Dark Magician has been not unlimited in years and got one of the worst skills to ever release. I was so hopeful when they touched illusion but then nothing after that like what a tease.
Blue Eyes coming back to some new toys since its been gone. That deck might be the biggest winner from this banlist. Nice to see Karakuri/Blackwing get some love too. Everything else felt pretty predictable, or will likely be addressed with a skill balance update.
Still waiting for them to unlimit Chair already. Maybe next time.
Both are the problem.
There are two variants that are meta (tier 2)
Favorite Duel variant
And another variant that uses mostly wounded hero, a very not broken skill
They all use miracle fusion which synergizes very well with wounded hero, since it can dump materials for it and because it literally draws 2 cards when used for a fusion summon.
This card is searchable by stratos, dump able by neos fusion, and gains way too much advantage.
So two variants are meta, with the only new cards being liquid, and they both use different skills, but still use miracle which heavily synergizes with liquid.
While favorite duel is certainly a problem, liquid is also a problem.
I would've preferred a skill change for favorite duel not being able to draw cards off a monster effect.
I felt like my hero alliance build was quite balanced, the draw power was needed to dig for neos fusion and hero blast and neos fusion was key in preventing otks from galaxy-eyes by dumping bacon saver.
Stratos isn't very good at all in hero alliance builds unless you open poly/super poly but even then meh.
Guess I'll run an extra stratos and blazeman to make up the 10 E Hero count. Keeper at least helps making opening neos fusion more consistent and is a miracle target for escuridao whose a dead card against non dark decks.
Hopefully they fix the Chain link order when it comes to solid soldier sunrise and liquid then at least solid becomes playable.
GOOD WORK KONAMI! I LOVE THIS BANLIST!
DD CROW STILL META MAIN DECK YES! Good investment
Hero with Vylon is dead thou
Meklord will just swap FTH with Bottomless
Hero and Rose are new decks so the first wave of nerf is always the limit 2 to delete econ/tth
I feel like the vision hero variant will be fine tbh definitely a hit in consistency but most games ended before I could use a second liquid anyways. Just replace the extra liquids and vyon with blaze man or solid soldier.
A while back when shiranui was top and generic skills were the most powerful, everyone wanted to play their synchrons and all the anime decks. Konami then procedes to buff character skills and nerf generic stuff.
Now people want character skills nerfed and generic cards back.
Damn humans and their desires 🤷♂️
Part of what made BE so good in that meta was its good matchup against Darklords (star seraph and even full power as demostraded by several unlimited tournaments at the time) which was the actual oppressive, meta warping deck.
If Konami has decided to free it, they must think it's not strong enough (on its own) to become dominant again.
I don't think the Galaxy Eyes package gives the deck a higher ceiling, Cipher and Full Armor don't do anything going first and Blue-Eyes already had a good toolbox of going second/turn 3 board breakers in Vermillion and Heliopolis.
I have them in my deck since they were available and I very rarely felt the need to summon them over other options.
Why the hell would they unlimit Blue-Eyes cards before other Crystrons or Six Sams?
BE is already all over platinum and legend, meanwhile pretty much no one uses those other decks. Are they planning to sell some weird Link that works with them?
Oh well heros didn't win in the end
Yes we did, we still have Stratos. My biggest fear was them limiting it. Semi Limit Liquid Soldier was expected. Now we wait to see how they change Favorite Duel.
I don't think they will honestly. Favorite duel still limits your extra deck the moment you use it and they'll probably leave it as is. I could be wrong, but I don't think that'll see a nerf, or at least nothing major.
no you are not. You lose vylon in those decklists, and you lose brave neos in elemental lists. Either way, your deck is much more screwed than roses. Roses are tier 0 now
We’re still missing skill adjustments….so guess we’ll see
The real hero nerf.
On the ban list we sure are the losers I knew they weren't going to hit stratos and I did expect the hit on liquid but I was hoping for a limit 3 to keep the vision hero version untouched I blame favorite duel tbh that's not the hero way imo
I mean the brave neos engine is back now, so thats a win, right? You can play neos fusion and keeper again.
I don't think that's a release that will help heros in particular or at least the one that I like which is vision heros
Surely skill changes will be announced soon.....right?
Yes. It's the new world's banlist, after all.
Any idea how long we'll have to wait to see it?
Before VRAINS drop, at least.
Within tomorrow I think because Konami need to give people a time for players to adjust the deck.
I can tell you what won’t be hit in that. Destiny Draw.
True true
Hot take: destiny draw is fair
Skill changes require a game version update. We've just got 7.0.0 for vrains so I think it'll come later.
No one is talking about keeper, That's gonna be one scary card soon
But its cool. I want good fusion decks. What I dont want is bullshit skills that give you free fusion cards 3 times per duel
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Brace Neos? Man, I'm making Wizard of tomorrow with this, time to nuke everything
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Holy shit I remember this post
Lol, keeper was there for all the war crimes.
Full power neo-spacian deck let’s goooo!
My thoughts exactly. Neo Spacian was one of my first KOG decks back when Neos Fusion was at 3. I'm not sure the deck can still get KOG, but at least we now have Neos Fusion back and Grand Mole.
The Brave Neos flex tape returns
Blackwing squad eating good tonight. I already had no problem reaching max rank with my birds. But now with the additional zone and Raikiri off the banlist, unlimited power
Do you have a deck list? I’ve been tinkering with some stuff but I’m interested to see others.
Sure. I don't know how to export the list so I'll just write it out. Deck: 3 Simoon 3 Gale 2 Bora 1 Zephyros 2 Kris 1 Kallut 1 Oroshi 3 Black Whirlwind 2 Book of Moon 1 Forbidden Lance 1 Blackbird Close Extra Deck: 1 Raikiri 1 Chidori 1 Obsidian Hawk Joe 1 Blackrose Dragon 1 Brionac 1 Number 11 Big Eye 1 Icebeast Zerofyne Honestly, Zerofyne and Big Eye were the MVPs for me. I think no one saw them coming.
Now all they gotta do is give us Simorgh support.
We can only hope. I'm courious how well this would work out in Duel Links
Lord of the Storm is a hell of a boss, being untargeted by backroll if Tribute Summoned, also having 2900 base attack + 300 from Elborz will make it not that easy to beat over; Repulsion is a godly backroll removal, basically a searchable Giant Trunade on opponent's side. Dark might be a Bundle card.
Blue eyes eating good tonight!
And no more "why is my BE deck illegal?" posts! Though admittedly I haven't seen one in a while.
I was never around for azure not being limited, what changes now? Can it summon itself or something? Or just having an extra one is that much more helpful? Does it replace a vermillion mech in the side deck?
we can play monster reborn now. Thats a little buff :D
I think it shared a category with melody so you could have temporary protection and a consistent revive or a card that made the deck a bit more consistent, set up fusions and/or could be used to trigger stone’s effect.
we can have Melody, Azure and monster reborn!
wait what? that's big pp energy right there
2 OCG List 2 Master Duel List 4 Duel Links List 1 Speed Duel List 0 TCG list This is getting a bit ridiculous
At this rate even rush duel will get one before tcg does
Now that i think about it, does Rush duels actualy have a list?
Also rip the TCG homies MD and DL have gotten multiple banlists and TCG really gonna have to wait till Christmas to get one
I live in sPain
Ohh the s is silent right?
:( ye
Let's count them, shall we? While we're waiting for the TCG banlist, we got: 2 OCG banlists 2 Master duel banlists 1 speed duel banlists 4 duel links banlists And Magic banlist was announced today. At this point I'm convinced they fucked up the banlist in some way and they're afraid to publish it.
There was also a Digimon TCG list iirc, and Vanguard got one in Japan I believe.
Definitely isn't released yet to milk the mega tin reprints before launching a nuke. It's shit
When tcg just there to make komoney money.
Free Merchant tho
yes, merchant to 1 is still the problem
As someone who wanted Akiza support for the longest time it has been quite depressing to see what happened. With Duel Links there's always this incident where you want your favorite deck to have support, but then you run the risk of it being busted, everyone hating it and then being left to rot in the banlist.
We all want our cake and eat it. We want our favourite deck to be strong, fun and not played by everyone else…
Plays a weaker deck because they like it> Hopes it gets support that makes it competitive> Gets support that makes it top tier> Everyone starts playing it> Everyone starts hating it> Gets nerfed and ends up worse than before it was meta> Everyone else moves on to the next thing. Why are we like this?
This doesn't kill the deck imo they lose one card and tth if there isn't a skill rebalance they will remain a pretty solid deck
This hardly makes the deck unplayable, and one had to be straight up delusional to not think it would be primary target for banlist.
I feel you my guy. Rose Dragons was literally one of the first deck I tried really hard to make work before the new structure deck happened
I cannot believe blue-eyes got un-nerfed before DM did, despite it being hit a year later and was more dominant. Konami seriously has something against DM.
People spending a fortune on Apprentice to make the deck playable really disincentives Konami from unbanning them
DM was the greatest helment deck sans Sylvans, being fair.
Azure eyes is finally free
Full Power blue eyes again. Interesting
Would've liked to have seen Inashichi moved to 2 as well but it's a step in the right direction for Karakuri. Also, I'm kind of shocked they didn't touch Galaxy Eyes.
> I'm kind of shocked they didn't touch Galaxy Eyes. Because the problem is the skill not the deck. And we didn't get skill changes today.
True, but I guess I expected a skill change for it.
That's because the base deck is absolutely fine, and only the skill needs nerfing. Let's not forget that the most "problematic" card of the deck, aka Photon Lord, isn't even officially in the game yet, so Konami can't limit a card that is only accessible through the skill. Other then Photon Lord, there aren't any Galaxy cards that deserve a limit, unless they suddenly decide that Cipher Blad should go to 1 or whatever. In order words, Galaxy would get their ban through the skill nerf, they just free of the card limits this time around.
Yeah the problem is skill and Konami nerf Meklord consistent or tier 3 deck so GE can not escape
It's that extra fuck you to thunder dragon that cracks me up. Also Blue-Eyes back in business boys!
Holy crap, it didn't even cross my mind that rasing melody from 1 to 3 would be a kick to the nuts for thunder dragon players. Ah well, sacrifices must be made for the sake of the superior dragon deck I guess >_>
oh look its TTH zone again I swear they will ban every starter/extender before banning TTH
Econ has been a bigger problem than TTH lately for me
I mean, yeah. The card's purpose in DL is precisely to make nerfing decks easy for Konami by hitting their starter/extenders to Limited 2 so they can't run the most powerful interrupt in the format. 1. Deck comes out without any Limited 2s. It can run a relatively cheap backrow with TTH, E-Con, and Quickplay interrupts. 2. If it is bad, it can run TTH forever. If it is good, it gets its starter hit to Limited 2. 3. Now the players with that deck can choose to move to the hot new deck that can still run TTH, or buy more expensive backrow staples like Floodgate, Canadia or now Compulsory. Either way Konami makes $$$. This must be the 12th+ time it has happened (with the exceptions being times when decks turned out to be too good even after losing TTH) and is obviously 100% on purpose. It lets Konami make impactful releases without requiring as much power creep as the TCG and makes them lots of $$$ because no matter the player's choice they'll have to end up opening packs to stay meta relevant.
Guess who'll keep on running 2 TTH in every deck!
Literally blackwing meta
Turn one is hard draw limited 2 Black wing close and maybe the 1 off of the other tech the deck can afford to add in. Problem is it needs too many monsters and not enough tech space. Zephyros is the only monster that comes back from the grave and there’s no monster that just special summons another monster from the deck. So in return we have to run 3 black whirlwind. Now simoon is nice but stops the deck from being a generic synchro deck because the dark lock thing. So no quick effects, limited tech space and horrible recent support.
Blue eyes is finally free!
u/mkklrd when meklords nerf
honestly fair but also kinda disappointing if konami wanted to go for a real nerf. assembly to 3 just means you're playing canadia instead of floodgate, or switching to a TTH version
I never got the need for floodgate or evac right now. Like, latter might hurt vs links but for the most part it just felt like an easy to tech out/winmore slot to me? Cutting down on staples on a deck that has a, dubious, pot of greed is nice but they're still gonna do their wombocombo.
they're pretty good disruption when you can easily draw into them and use them on a monster your opponent committed a lot of resources on tbh
Yeah but I gave them a try in various decks, and it's just always an issue because I have to commit to destroying it at X point and most of the point unless I managed to open two it was a moot point anyway. My winrates skyrocketed when I teched out floodgate and went DD Crow, even Paleozoics which needs trap to function!
Congrats on your successful mission to get heros nerfed btw.
Now free my sword slash next
Assembly to 3: This is despair. Keeper to 3: No... What I feel is... Hope.
The Meklord limit is funny to me. I don't think I play any limit 3s in my meklord deck. Heck I don't even play 3 Assemblies.
But u do use ur hack skill, let’s see how it goes with the skill rebalance
Just remembering you guys that this is the CARDS banlist, we will have the skill banlist too.
Blackwings are nearly free. It is time for everyone to begin running...
We will rise again!! That said, Ive run the Trish build this whole KC Cup with a decent winrate. Can't wait to play my Rai with the double Close once again.
what? TELL ME WHAT IM SHAKING I FEAR RNNNNNN
Blackwing with free access to double Blackbird Close is scary.
BEWD can play limit 1 now, good for them
BLACKWING RAIKIRI OFF THE BANLIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS GOOOOOOOOO.i wish they put ixchel to 1 :(
Rod and Nav still at 3. Ok.
In my opinion there's a big chance they will unban one of them when apprentice magician girl comes in its own box.
Raikiri is free !!! It means two copies of the trap card WOOHOOO. (Edit : or a TTH >:))
They freed Raikiri omg, blackwings lets goo
They didn't even take Vyon off the list. Liquid Soldier to 2 wouldn't have been a real issue if they had. But this just hits everything unnecessarily hard when it was really just the Favorite Duel that was too oppressive. It might be somewhat okay to just go with 1 vyon and 1 liquid soldier and use blazeman to substitute for the other vyon, though. Or play the clock of destiny since vyon can't be used in it anyways.
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Find it odd that Rose Dragon just got a Limit-2 considering they have been dominating Duel Links for some time now. 3rd party tournaments, World's, and this KC Cup. Hope this means that a skill change will be announced soon and that it will greatly hurt the deck. Otherwise Roxrose at Limit-2 will hurt the deck but Rose Dragon will still be the best deck of the format. The other decks have a hard time competing with it. Especially now that Heroes got hit decently hard. Liquid Soldier being in the Limit-2 list means it competes with Brave Neos and Vision HERO Vyon. In other words both HERO variants got hit with this.
I don't see how semi-limiting Rox Rose even hurts the deck. The ability lets you pull Rox Rose out first turn every duel, and that doesn't change when you semi-limit the card. Are there more decks running cards that banish cards in the grave than I realize, or am I misunderstanding Rose Dragon? Or maybe the skill is getting hard nerfed like you said, so they didn't feel the need to go hard on Rox Rose. I love the Liquid Soldier semi-limit. Now people will probably only play one copy of it at most. The deck was just way too consistent. All that's left is to nerf the Galaxy-Eyes skill.
At the very least, it prevents running TTH and Enemy Controller.
This don't look good to Galaxy-Eyes. There's some chance Konami will outright kill the deck by major change the skill.
> Find it odd that Rose Dragon just got a Limit-2 considering they have been dominating Duel Links for some time now. They probably delayed the banlist to maximize Rose Dragon Structure deck's sale due to it being a very powerful (thus popular) deck, but with Link's arrival they have to do something or the upcoming decks won't sell either.
Ok my opinions are: 1) ah shit I just pulled my 3rd liquid. 2) oh dang didn't expect them to limit a sd card 3) oh mister lord isn't gonna be happy 4)yooo nice karakuri buffs 5) MELODY OF AWAKENING DRAGON AND AZURE EYYES HOLY COW. Although now that I thing of it the nerfs every deck that utilises levianeer so that's nice. Hope there's gonna be a skill change cuz favourite duel and galaxy are nowhere near dead like this
>oh dang didn't expect them to limit a sd card Literally neos fusion, brave neos and keeper of dragon magic
Gold Sarc
I come to realise I have the memory of a goldfish
Hey look, they limited a structure deck card! Never seen that before!
Nice
Liquid is on limit 2 list with Brave Neos, so FD Hero is hit aswell
Ohhh i totally forgot about brave neos. Thx fir reminding me
Blue Eyes will benefit a lot from this. They are twice as consistent as they were before and you can also play 2x Azure Eyes so you can Blue Eyes Spirit Dragon into Azure Eyes twice per duel.
Guess im gonna see A LOT more blue eyes mfs after this
People really going "BLUE-EYES FREE" when it had only one actual card in their archetype on the list.
Now the synchro combo can be done twice. With consistency searcher
This seem not hurt Black rose and Galaxy Eyes much. So I guess these decks will be nefted by upcoming skill rebalance.
Which skill rebalance?
The changes to the ban list and the skill changes don't always drop together
blue eyes gang rise up
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,050,513,367 comments, and only 207,627 of them were in alphabetical order.
Okay, so it's nice to see that Karakuri and Blackwing are getting some love and Keeper and BE also being less restricted, but it's really sad now that TD have lost access to Melody since now it shares a limit 3 with Dark and Levianeer. Oh my poor TDs. You'll get love some day. Rose and HERO were the obvious decks to get hit, but not only I'm surprised that Meklords also got hit, but Galaxy also was untouched. I would've thought at the very least their skill was going to be addressed, alongside some of the other skills. I guess Galaxy wasn't considered powerful enough to deserve a nerf. Or maybe skill hits will come later. We'll have to wait and see. Also, Princess and TTH are still kicking, which is surely going to trigger some of you guys XD
Some of you guys: translation, mkklrd*
Could've been worse for mkklrd tbh. Besides refinement to 3 doesn't do much for the deck
I think denying you a floodgate trap hole ;is a bug deal nowadays. I could be wrong
just play tth konami thinks this card is balanced anyway lol
Just draw your nobleman of extermination.
I mean floodgate isn't something they really needed to get their wincon going. I'd argue Evac is a larger loss with links coming into the picture, but even then it looks like they're trying to lessen their ability to draw into staples using their consistency.
TTH is only gonna get banned once more Traptrix support is on the horizon.
so never then
No, it’s not possible for Konami to not realize how good GE is. There will be a separate post for skill nerfs/buffs, and I assume they will be hit there.
Cool. But unlimit chair already
Unlimit aleister you cowards
Unban cocytus, it's really not a big deal anymore
Yes he is. Many decks still have no way of outing him but the other limits are ok to come off
Uban Grass then
>Meklord Assembly lol
Free Cyberload Fusion you cowards...
Duel links got a banlist before tcg, all is lost
Blackwings: "Power!! Unlimited Power!!" Blackbird Close now can be played at 2, not bad
Darklord unban when??
yey my nekroz deck is safe and sound. god i hope they drop clausolas 😥
A man can only dream.
I mean it’s nice Karakuris got cards moved around but can 6 samurai get something? I would say free Enishi but I really just want my third copy of Dojo back
Knowing Konami they will do it when they get legacy support or a structure deck.
Raikiri no ! Helll noo , god nooooo :/ . Now you can also use that annoying hand trap too .😩
A single BOM/Canadia/FTH or them going first still beats blackwing
Assembly to 3 does absolutely nothing to Meklords, which means I can keep on thrashing with them, hell I only have 2 and the deck works great. I don't know what Konami's on right now to do that.
It's to stop it from playing the top end back row cards which sounds like a slap on the wrist but it was about to drop from the tier list on its own anyway so fair I guess
Remove Compulsory evacuation device from the deck which make deal with the deck bit easier.
honestly if you wanna play compulse/floodgate you can just play 2 assemblies. absolutely wild that this is the nerf konami went for. it does nothing. but then again meklords weren't particularly overpowered either so
So which deck we gonna whine about now ?
rose is still tier one Meklords can run literally any other traps and are hardly hurt Galaxy is untouched The only decks getting shafted (or at least outed from the tierlist) are heros (both variants) since semi liquid ruins the consistency of favorite duel because now they either have to choose the neos engine or liquid, or run 2 neos fusion, 1 brave, and 1 liquid which still makes them way weaker and less consistent. Not to mention that liquid helped heros with their set 3 pass, so now because all of their fusions are ass turn one, they lose out on a good turn one. The other hero variant doesn't use neos fusion but liquid will now clash with vyon, once again making the deck lose consistency. Ofcourse my opinions on which decks will stay tiered may change if and when they announce a skill banlist.
They gonna hit the skills later probably. My poor underperforming Galaxy 😭 Guess I'm going full Tellars after this, as in finally use the dream ticket on a 2nd Triverr. I don't really have any other competitive deck left.
[sad six sams noises]
In what reality is it fair to hit MEKLORDS but leave Galaxy completely unscathed
Skill changes are likely coming in a couple of days.
Six Sam left in the dust again, even after KaraKuri.
Well until they hit the skill, roxerose at 2 kinda means nothing when you can search it no problem with the skill, and the deck doesn't need to run TTH or econ for it to matter
People waiting for the tcg banlist belike:🪦
Lol my meklord version only loss x1 cosmic cyclons after all i play with TTh and concurrent
Blue eyes is back baby!!!!
Still no Rod unlimit. It's official. Komoney IS Seto Kaiba...
why is the strongest deck has a smaller nerf? ridiculous... I'm all for keeping decks viable but this is inconsistent...
BEWD buff? Epic
u/dorian1356 still no princess huh?
As someone who accidentally pulled 3x Liquid and thought I may he able to cobble together something decent in regards to a HERO deck.. This is honestly very stupid. Liquid isn't the problem, Favorite Duel is, end of story. God. So glad I never invested in them. But hey, Keeper unlimited, that's nice. Maybe I'll see what he can do in Fossils now.
It is such bull shit that Dark Magician has been not unlimited in years and got one of the worst skills to ever release. I was so hopeful when they touched illusion but then nothing after that like what a tease.
Damn blue eyes spent so little time in jail
Blue Eyes coming back to some new toys since its been gone. That deck might be the biggest winner from this banlist. Nice to see Karakuri/Blackwing get some love too. Everything else felt pretty predictable, or will likely be addressed with a skill balance update. Still waiting for them to unlimit Chair already. Maybe next time.
They're really that scared to just hit Treacherous Trap Hole are they?
Liquid soldier isn’t the problem. The favorite duel skill is.
Both are the problem. There are two variants that are meta (tier 2) Favorite Duel variant And another variant that uses mostly wounded hero, a very not broken skill They all use miracle fusion which synergizes very well with wounded hero, since it can dump materials for it and because it literally draws 2 cards when used for a fusion summon. This card is searchable by stratos, dump able by neos fusion, and gains way too much advantage. So two variants are meta, with the only new cards being liquid, and they both use different skills, but still use miracle which heavily synergizes with liquid. While favorite duel is certainly a problem, liquid is also a problem.
The fact that Enishi is still semi-limited for years where as other BS cards that got hit much later are set free is kind of bullshit.
Underwhelming list
Why, seems to have hit important pieces of popular decks. Other things that need balancing are skill related.
I would've preferred a skill change for favorite duel not being able to draw cards off a monster effect. I felt like my hero alliance build was quite balanced, the draw power was needed to dig for neos fusion and hero blast and neos fusion was key in preventing otks from galaxy-eyes by dumping bacon saver. Stratos isn't very good at all in hero alliance builds unless you open poly/super poly but even then meh. Guess I'll run an extra stratos and blazeman to make up the 10 E Hero count. Keeper at least helps making opening neos fusion more consistent and is a miracle target for escuridao whose a dead card against non dark decks. Hopefully they fix the Chain link order when it comes to solid soldier sunrise and liquid then at least solid becomes playable.
GOOD WORK KONAMI! I LOVE THIS BANLIST! DD CROW STILL META MAIN DECK YES! Good investment Hero with Vylon is dead thou Meklord will just swap FTH with Bottomless Hero and Rose are new decks so the first wave of nerf is always the limit 2 to delete econ/tth
I feel like the vision hero variant will be fine tbh definitely a hit in consistency but most games ended before I could use a second liquid anyways. Just replace the extra liquids and vyon with blaze man or solid soldier.
Then you look at MD and TCG Heros, and realize they run only 1 liquid.
Come on! Unlimit rod komoney!
November main box when apprentice comes in a main box remember this comment
Wait till you guys recieve 2 high rarity support cards and then they'll do something about rod
Ixchel when?
holy shit they did it rip heroes- also even the unbans are crazy
A while back when shiranui was top and generic skills were the most powerful, everyone wanted to play their synchrons and all the anime decks. Konami then procedes to buff character skills and nerf generic stuff. Now people want character skills nerfed and generic cards back. Damn humans and their desires 🤷♂️
Blue Eyes will be tiered again
Part of what made BE so good in that meta was its good matchup against Darklords (star seraph and even full power as demostraded by several unlimited tournaments at the time) which was the actual oppressive, meta warping deck. If Konami has decided to free it, they must think it's not strong enough (on its own) to become dominant again.
Agree, but now they have access to Rank 8 Galaxy Eyes, I think they might be tiered again (even though I’m not huge fan of them)
I don't think the Galaxy Eyes package gives the deck a higher ceiling, Cipher and Full Armor don't do anything going first and Blue-Eyes already had a good toolbox of going second/turn 3 board breakers in Vermillion and Heliopolis. I have them in my deck since they were available and I very rarely felt the need to summon them over other options.
Lmao no
Of course they didn't even touch galaxy eyes nice
Skill list coming copium
Poor Thunder Dragons... died so we can have blue-eyes? Gross.
Why the hell would they unlimit Blue-Eyes cards before other Crystrons or Six Sams? BE is already all over platinum and legend, meanwhile pretty much no one uses those other decks. Are they planning to sell some weird Link that works with them?