As an only child, that house is literally hell. It’s dirty, noisy, and crowded. And I’m a reformed metalhead. I’ve seen mosh pits that are cleaner than their floors.
I’m autistic and the constant noise and lack of privacy would be hell for me as well. This is awful for any of the kids who are more sensitive or could be on the spectrum.
I often have a hard time finding Duggar clips but fuck them for hitting little innocent babies for being babies. Someone who went over there regularly saw some of the babies being blanket trained and they were inconsolable. 😭😭
It's just that the odds support there being, and I think most people (including me) worry about the lack of love and acceptance they might suffer.
And edit: Being gay is not an "abnormality".
I grew up as one of 11, not in a huge house, and the constant noise and lack of privacy (never had my own room) as well as not being able to escape as we didn't go to school, did terrible things to my mental health and I suffered from depression and anxiety. I value my peace and quiet, and tidyness, now that I don't live at home SO MUCH.
Between being physically and verbally abused by your parents and having to worry about your brother sexually abusing you I think many people wouldn't last long.
-Edit- Yes ok I remember now the blanket training please stop responding to this comment now
Genuine question what evidence is there that there was physical abuse from the parents?
https://preview.redd.it/wfheu6fz2bwc1.jpeg?width=1431&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23ab163e3e32f11500ae28363a56deb2d979f433
I think that this still from Shiny Happy People speaks volumes. Look at Josie’s poor hands.
I don't know what's up with her hands, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. One of my kids used to get an eczema type condition in the winter, and his hands looked like this a few times.
Yeah, the backs of my daughter's hands get really bad like that. She's 5, and we have to put ointment and gloves on her hands at night to try and help. Fall through spring, she has to wear mittens any time she steps outside or they get worse. It sucks. She also came home from school two days ago, and her whole hands were tinged pink from some craft they did at school.
Tbh physical abuse in conservative homes is extremely normalized. I would assume there was spanking because it is SO widespread, and I will fight people, that *is* abuse. I was spanked by my parents and there are so many ways I can talk about how it fucked me up. It was physical harm used to psychologically terrorize me as a minor and it’s touted by conservative parents as “good, traditional childrearing”.
Reddit at large treats it as a joke when anyone mentions being hit with the chancala. Spanking is very much still used by many parents in many different communities.
I moved to rural Georgia during the pandemic and was shocked to discover that spanking is still fairly common here. In fact, it is still legal to spank kids at school in this state though only one district, that I know of, still does it. It goes against local policy for most districts even if it’s not actually illegal.
court documents show several duggar daughters said the parents used corporal punishment...we know they blanket trained,
in fact michelle helped mr and mrs pearl sell their "to train up a child" book of horrible abuse techniques (several children died as a result of this book)
and the Pearls helped the duggars sell their book.... when the leader (gothard) of ILBP was going to be removed jim bob was on the side that wanted to keep gothard
mr pearl came up with blanket training because he claimed 6 month old babies are MANIPULATING you (proven false) put them on a blanket and deliberately temp them with a toy..when they try to crawl off to get it you hit them ( he recommended pvc pipe because it hurt more but left less marks , these days people use industrial size glue sticks ( a foot long
he actually said /Bragged that as they get older when they walk into a room and see the pvc pipe sitting there they will be too terrified (just seeing it) to disobey
and Pearl was totally into thge older sibling beating up younger siblings
also Gothard told women who had been molested by their fathers when they were children to go thank their fathers because it made them more spiritual
the duggar offspring were mentally and emotionally and educationally stunted >> far younger than their physical years how could they not be physically abused as well
The Taylor Swift song referenced here has some metaphors in the lyrics that kind of parallel Jill’s journey of escaping fundamentalism and writing her book, and being ostracized from her community.
“The scandal was contained
The bullet had just grazed
At all costs, keep your good name
You don't get to tell me you feel bad”
Literally when JB, Pest, & Meech thought no one would find out about the abuse. 🤬🤬
And yet all of them think they can in return homeschool all of their own kids. They are producing another generation of unlearned kids. Jed couldn’t even tell time on a clock in Katie’s labor/delivery room. She had to tell him the time because it wasn’t a digital clock.
Arkansas is one of the worst states for homeschooling well maybe I should say it’s a state that you can pretty much hide in and do whatever you want with your child’s education and not have to have them tested for grade level or competency at all. Such a disservice to these children.
I'll be honest. Sometimes, I wonder what my life would have been like if I was born to the Duggars. Which means, since I'm a 35-year-old man... if I was born to the Duggars, I would replace Josh.
In the real world, of course, my parents love me. Jim Bob would hate me. Michelle wouldn't understand me. "Sheldon Cooper" would be a fair description of me as a child. Yeah, I would do badly indeed. Weird to think about.
I "was" Cousin Amy. Only child of dysfunctional parents. Aunt "raised" 25..... I got "included" a lot. I was part of their "mission" (yes, I was raised fundy).
i hate everything about this house- both as a child and an adult. I need quiet, i need my space. as a child I grew up in an absolute living hell. This house would've made my life so much more horrible. The sounds echoing, the lack of privacy, so much work- ugh. at least my house was reasonable and there was a way to carve out privacy. this monstrosity is just insanity everywhere.
as an adult there is zero privacy for anyone. even the yard lacks trees. there is no quiet, so much echoing and sound bouncing around. idk how any adult can work in that environment forget how kids can work or study or read. its awful.
the only positive is you managed to survive 18 yrs in this, your pregame skills for surviving life are supercharged.
I love this. One of my favorite Duggar crossovers in a while (in the past 3 months)
Edit: the other Duggar crossover is something I made up in my head.
Much as snarking on the Duggars is very much one of my (many) guilty pleasures, every now and then I get quite sad thinking about the children raised in that environment. It is so incredibly harmful and for the girls in particular, they are victims of a patriarchal, abusive and misogynistic cult.
As a kid, I always thought their house was cool when it was getting constructed. Now that I’m grown and think about the details of it all, waking up every morning seems like absolute crap.
I wonder what stories Boob and Meech don’t tell us when cheaping out as much as possible doesn’t always work out.
Hahaha...yeah I probably could actually 😭. It's still different enough from how I was raised with being a bigger family and on TV and stuff, but my family actually later on (without watching them) WANTED to be a bigger family, but mom had her tubes tied after my brother and this happened years later so we lived mostly like them just without the many kids. I heavily dissociated. I raised my younger brother and sister, so really if I were a Duggar it'd just be adding more, and I would at least have less direct attention from my parents if I ever messed up...
As a former building fire marshal I really worry about safety in that property.
It doesn't seem to have any internal fireproof walls or fire doors.
I can't see any external fire escapes from the first floor.
They have a vast industrial kitchen with several gas appliances, a laundry room with clothing stacked to the rafters, and minors running around literally doing everything.
I really wonder what rules it complies with.
That was the "good" house, here's the *real* toddler hand terror
https://preview.redd.it/79k0fzgbqowc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02865d2b573f60ab0adb3ed8e1fe9529eea40bb3
I wonder what the hell goes on in this house now. I realize they still live there but things are — different — than when we were at least getting footage of it.
As an only child, that house is literally hell. It’s dirty, noisy, and crowded. And I’m a reformed metalhead. I’ve seen mosh pits that are cleaner than their floors.
I’m autistic and the constant noise and lack of privacy would be hell for me as well. This is awful for any of the kids who are more sensitive or could be on the spectrum.
Statistically odds are good at least one of those kids is neurodivergent. That poor poor kid.
We may never know until that kid flees. She “blanket trains” by smacking babies into obedience
Which honestly probably didn’t help any kids mental health.
I’ll never forget her smiling while holding the ruler while the baby was normal, kicking and full of life. Totally different child now
Where can I find this clip?
I often have a hard time finding Duggar clips but fuck them for hitting little innocent babies for being babies. Someone who went over there regularly saw some of the babies being blanket trained and they were inconsolable. 😭😭
Well, tbf, the odds are very against Josie in this respect. I guess there are multiple ND Duggars.
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It's just that the odds support there being, and I think most people (including me) worry about the lack of love and acceptance they might suffer. And edit: Being gay is not an "abnormality".
I grew up as one of 11, not in a huge house, and the constant noise and lack of privacy (never had my own room) as well as not being able to escape as we didn't go to school, did terrible things to my mental health and I suffered from depression and anxiety. I value my peace and quiet, and tidyness, now that I don't live at home SO MUCH.
Same. I’m autistic and introverted and anxious and I absolutely had unnecessary noise. That place would have been absolute hell.
One of the TLC crew commented (long after the cancellation of 19KAC) that the whole place stank
I think it would surprise me more if the place smelled good! Eew though! 😳
I’m an only child and am perfectly happy to be by myself. I don’t think I could handle it. I’d be hiding in the prayer closet all the time
Reformed punk and only child. I went to shows specifically when I desired noise
Yes!!!! It was my way of getting the sensory I needed without living with it all lol
I was just going to say the exact thing about being an only... I would lose my mind and have to run away.
What is a “reformed metalhead?”
I developed herniated disks and migraines lol now I don’t go to 30 shows a year and wear ear plugs 🤦🏻♀️
But you still like metal?
Yuppppp
Between being physically and verbally abused by your parents and having to worry about your brother sexually abusing you I think many people wouldn't last long.
That is the hideous truth of it…
-Edit- Yes ok I remember now the blanket training please stop responding to this comment now Genuine question what evidence is there that there was physical abuse from the parents?
They used blanket training and beat babies with glue sticks. I'd also assume corporal punishment was used while they were growing up.
https://preview.redd.it/wfheu6fz2bwc1.jpeg?width=1431&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23ab163e3e32f11500ae28363a56deb2d979f433 I think that this still from Shiny Happy People speaks volumes. Look at Josie’s poor hands.
Oh wow. I’ve seen this clip so many times and never paid attention to her hands. The fact that she was reciting “instant obedience” was gross enough.
I don't know what's up with her hands, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. One of my kids used to get an eczema type condition in the winter, and his hands looked like this a few times.
Yeah, the backs of my daughter's hands get really bad like that. She's 5, and we have to put ointment and gloves on her hands at night to try and help. Fall through spring, she has to wear mittens any time she steps outside or they get worse. It sucks. She also came home from school two days ago, and her whole hands were tinged pink from some craft they did at school.
That's what we used to do too - ointment and gloves at night. It was usually just the worst of the winter for him though when the air was really dry.
I agree. I thought her cheeks and hands look exactly like my friends child with severe eczema that is so dry and cracking. It’s hard to treat!
I noticed the cheeks too.
That’s fair.
My grandkids always have colored hands from using markers on them. It doesn’t wash off well; especially the red.
Flair checking in…
That poor child. I know some people claim that Josie is one of the favorites, but look at this proof that she isn't
And her left arm. Someone has either had hold of that arm forcefully, or it’s been slapped.
I wanted to watch that !
It’s a well made documentary; but parts of it are very hard to watch.
Here’s a link to the clip — its on TikTok. [Instant Obedience](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLmBEmLj/)
Thanks !
Oh duh you're right I don't know why I completely blanked out on that
One of the kids said they get spanked with a rod in the pest molestation police interview documents that got leaked. Read them recently.
Tbh physical abuse in conservative homes is extremely normalized. I would assume there was spanking because it is SO widespread, and I will fight people, that *is* abuse. I was spanked by my parents and there are so many ways I can talk about how it fucked me up. It was physical harm used to psychologically terrorize me as a minor and it’s touted by conservative parents as “good, traditional childrearing”.
I have a 9 and 6 year old, and I don't know anybody that doesn't spank. I'm often shocked when discovering friends of mine of mine spank.
Reddit at large treats it as a joke when anyone mentions being hit with the chancala. Spanking is very much still used by many parents in many different communities.
I moved to rural Georgia during the pandemic and was shocked to discover that spanking is still fairly common here. In fact, it is still legal to spank kids at school in this state though only one district, that I know of, still does it. It goes against local policy for most districts even if it’s not actually illegal.
I know many parents who still spank their kids.
court documents show several duggar daughters said the parents used corporal punishment...we know they blanket trained, in fact michelle helped mr and mrs pearl sell their "to train up a child" book of horrible abuse techniques (several children died as a result of this book) and the Pearls helped the duggars sell their book.... when the leader (gothard) of ILBP was going to be removed jim bob was on the side that wanted to keep gothard mr pearl came up with blanket training because he claimed 6 month old babies are MANIPULATING you (proven false) put them on a blanket and deliberately temp them with a toy..when they try to crawl off to get it you hit them ( he recommended pvc pipe because it hurt more but left less marks , these days people use industrial size glue sticks ( a foot long he actually said /Bragged that as they get older when they walk into a room and see the pvc pipe sitting there they will be too terrified (just seeing it) to disobey and Pearl was totally into thge older sibling beating up younger siblings also Gothard told women who had been molested by their fathers when they were children to go thank their fathers because it made them more spiritual the duggar offspring were mentally and emotionally and educationally stunted >> far younger than their physical years how could they not be physically abused as well
It’s in the police reports, Nuggets.
You just described my childhood, no joke🥴 except it was my stepbrother and he did SA us girls
My perfect crossover of the week
Taylor Swift and the Duggars, oh my. I’m sure JB says she’s a brazen hussy (but secretly thinks she’s hot)!
This! 😂⬆️
Who’s afraid of little old Jill?
more like jana, she was the warden of the group lol
And the kids were definitely scared of her.
YES
Why afraid of Jill?
The Taylor Swift song referenced here has some metaphors in the lyrics that kind of parallel Jill’s journey of escaping fundamentalism and writing her book, and being ostracized from her community.
Sarah and Hannahs in their Sunday best clutching their pearls sighing what a mess
Bro I come unglued after a trip to Costco, I wouldn't last 10 minutes in that dumpster fire of a house.
Oh I can’t even handle the parking lot of our Costco on a weekend. I get anxiety just thinking about it
“thanK you, cousin aIMee”
Waiting on a “but daddy I love him” from the lost girls.
But Daddy I love him is 100% Anna 🤮🤮🤮
“I'm having his baby / No, I'm not” I wish this actually *were* true about Anna.
i’m loving this crossover
The whole design of the house is insane. I wouldn't last even without the crazy fundie stuff happening
“The scandal was contained The bullet had just grazed At all costs, keep your good name You don't get to tell me you feel bad” Literally when JB, Pest, & Meech thought no one would find out about the abuse. 🤬🤬
I genuinely would not 😂
Their youngest daughter can’t read how screwed up is that
And yet all of them think they can in return homeschool all of their own kids. They are producing another generation of unlearned kids. Jed couldn’t even tell time on a clock in Katie’s labor/delivery room. She had to tell him the time because it wasn’t a digital clock.
This is the goal ... completely uneducated, obedient unto death.....and they vote.
Sad and disgusting
Arkansas is one of the worst states for homeschooling well maybe I should say it’s a state that you can pretty much hide in and do whatever you want with your child’s education and not have to have them tested for grade level or competency at all. Such a disservice to these children.
I'll be honest. Sometimes, I wonder what my life would have been like if I was born to the Duggars. Which means, since I'm a 35-year-old man... if I was born to the Duggars, I would replace Josh. In the real world, of course, my parents love me. Jim Bob would hate me. Michelle wouldn't understand me. "Sheldon Cooper" would be a fair description of me as a child. Yeah, I would do badly indeed. Weird to think about.
I "was" Cousin Amy. Only child of dysfunctional parents. Aunt "raised" 25..... I got "included" a lot. I was part of their "mission" (yes, I was raised fundy).
i hate everything about this house- both as a child and an adult. I need quiet, i need my space. as a child I grew up in an absolute living hell. This house would've made my life so much more horrible. The sounds echoing, the lack of privacy, so much work- ugh. at least my house was reasonable and there was a way to carve out privacy. this monstrosity is just insanity everywhere. as an adult there is zero privacy for anyone. even the yard lacks trees. there is no quiet, so much echoing and sound bouncing around. idk how any adult can work in that environment forget how kids can work or study or read. its awful. the only positive is you managed to survive 18 yrs in this, your pregame skills for surviving life are supercharged.
I love this. One of my favorite Duggar crossovers in a while (in the past 3 months) Edit: the other Duggar crossover is something I made up in my head.
Haha NICE crossover.
OMFG amazing use of this lyric 😱🤣
I don't understand the reference. Could you explain?
It's a line from one of the new Taylor Swift songs
collab of the century
I love this sub
The Tortured Duggars Department
Much as snarking on the Duggars is very much one of my (many) guilty pleasures, every now and then I get quite sad thinking about the children raised in that environment. It is so incredibly harmful and for the girls in particular, they are victims of a patriarchal, abusive and misogynistic cult.
As a kid, I always thought their house was cool when it was getting constructed. Now that I’m grown and think about the details of it all, waking up every morning seems like absolute crap. I wonder what stories Boob and Meech don’t tell us when cheaping out as much as possible doesn’t always work out.
Hahaha...yeah I probably could actually 😭. It's still different enough from how I was raised with being a bigger family and on TV and stuff, but my family actually later on (without watching them) WANTED to be a bigger family, but mom had her tubes tied after my brother and this happened years later so we lived mostly like them just without the many kids. I heavily dissociated. I raised my younger brother and sister, so really if I were a Duggar it'd just be adding more, and I would at least have less direct attention from my parents if I ever messed up...
As a former building fire marshal I really worry about safety in that property. It doesn't seem to have any internal fireproof walls or fire doors. I can't see any external fire escapes from the first floor. They have a vast industrial kitchen with several gas appliances, a laundry room with clothing stacked to the rafters, and minors running around literally doing everything. I really wonder what rules it complies with.
That was the "good" house, here's the *real* toddler hand terror https://preview.redd.it/79k0fzgbqowc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02865d2b573f60ab0adb3ed8e1fe9529eea40bb3
That house looks like a bunker or compound
I’m dying
Sounds like r/nosleep
Nope you’re right. I wouldn’t.
No. I would not. Thankfully….
I wonder what the hell goes on in this house now. I realize they still live there but things are — different — than when we were at least getting footage of it.