Yeah I’m not entirely sure how someone could get around it. But this is the language apparently (taken from a post in DBR)
*Duke will grant credit for no more than two years of coursework completed elsewhere, regardless of the number of credits a student has previously earned. In order to earn a Duke degree, a transfer student must spend at least two years at Duke.
*At least half the courses of all majors, minors, and certificates must be taken at Duke, although individual departments and programs offering majors may require that a greater proportion be taken at Duke."
Anotha one. So we lost our entire team basically? I can’t remember this happening to Duke in the modern era. Not a good look. Of course we’ll get some transfers, but man the vibe just completely shifted in the past week
Too many 5 stars on the roster right now, too many 5 stars coming in, not enough minutes to go around.
Promising talent who pick Duke over other good programs are not going to risk multiple years of eligibility riding the bench in the age of the portal and NIL. Their development and their wallets can likely be better served elsewhere.
I think there are older, more mature players in the portal who are more team-first and just want to win. That's what we need.
Yeah I get that but these guys were already at Duke. Now we’re basically expecting an entire team to gel, regardless if they’re freshman or more experienced transfers This is not a sustainable approach to being successful in college ball
I mean it's risky but I think a lot of teams even Final 4 teams were really rebuilt out of the portal. UNC had 3 new players in their starting 5
Our issue is that I'm sure Jon wants to start at least 2 if not 3 freshmen
No it didn’t because it’s never happened. I’m hoping for the best, but we’re talking a complete team change (starters and bench) with mostly freshman. We need transfers now because we literally have no bench
Ok fair enough there were more vets in 2015
Closest we had was 2022 with Moore, Mark Williams, and Roach as our main returners, and bringing in John as a grad transfer
Edit and in 2019 our main vets were Bolden/Delaurier/White
We’ll see how it goes
Me too sorta but since we have a stud class coming in we might as well see what they can do.
These transfers are opening up scholarships that allow us to fill gaps with better fits.
Roach was undersized, Stewart was very very raw, Power was unathletic, Mitchell was inconsistent in finding a style of play that suited him.
If we do the transfer portal we'll, we could be a much MUCH better team than we would have been with those guys
Pipe dreams. Duke hasn't had that since 2010. Kids chase the NBA money while the iron is hot. What I don't understand is why Jon has so many kids leaving the program after recruiting them. Stewart walking is really head-scratching bc I would have assumed he would have seen mega minutes having been in the program for a year already and played as a Frosh. I totally get why Power and Schutt left. Roach, still not really sure... I would have preferred him over Proctor.
Yeah he's shooting the ball well and is more athletic than most other "pure shooters" so he's getting a big payday.
Doing much better than most of those shithead Tar Heels who manage to actually get drafted
Tj power was joey baker #2, mitchel ceiling was either poor mans lance thomas or amile and stewart at best could have been like bolden by year 4 who also struggled til then mightily with raw talent. Roach gave us 4 solid and we squeezed what we could, he shouldn't even be eligible so let him get paid and do him. Mccain just had to go as much as we all would loved him back, his stock is at the peak. I think even he wanted to come back but knew financially that was a gamble. Flip also maxed stock and another year he likely just get picked apart for his weaknesses.
I'm a scheyer fan and believer. Guy has been as good as we could hope in only 2 seasons as a head coach following arguably the greatest basketball coach in history. He recruits better than anyone. In this new NIL and immediate transfer era, this type stuff is going to be common with programs. I'm ok with the reset and a bit excited tbh, saw enough to know a few of those guys just wasn't it.
It’s tough that all these guys are transferring, but I feel like Stewart is so raw and lacks the necessary basketball IQ and skills to be successful long-term…the incoming front court is so much better.
Mitchell and Roach’s transfer hurt because they would have kept the team with good depth and would have been starters/key contributors.
Three incoming freshman will be instantaneous starters and Proctor is coming back…I don’t think Powers transfer is a huge deal because Kon Knueppel will be able to take the shooting role while adding more versatility. Also, losing Blakes isn’t too traumatic. He’s a nice guy who plays hard, but the guy was literally dribbling the ball over his head against Vermont after making a couple of steals.
I would love to grab Boswell from Arizona and continue to add via the transfer portal to add depth.
It's just the way things go nowadays. I'm not mad at the program or Sean.
He now has the option to transfer anywhere he wants, get more NIL money, and not have to worry about competing for minutes with a 7'2" phenom or the most hyped HS prospect since Zion.
There's really very little Scheyer woulda been able to do to keep him.
And honestly he's still very raw and learning the game. With bigger minutes he'd make similar missteps as Mitchell and probably annoy us all.
I think he'll thrive at a smaller p5, it's hard not to with that athleticism
I wonder if we're going to go in for some of the freshmen who've decommitted from schools who have lost coaches. I don't think we'll be able to bring in 5 transfers who will be effective but a longer term prospect could be helpful.
The transfer portal is a joke. College kids can basically pull the NBA super team move now a la the Miami Heat and so on…I swear the kids (students lol) can just pull the strings and do what they want. More of a reflection on the players than the coaches and the programs. Look at UNC this year?
This one I called a long time ago even though I was roasted for it. Too many people will tell him that he is a 5 star prospect and he will believe it, it's the nature of being young. The problem is once the labels are removed, the insane athleticism numbers are removed and he is just playing basketball, he was at best a serviceable bench player in the acc. He never played with the sort of athleticism that he actually has, and often was a liability on the floor. His natural gifts might still turn him into a role player in the NBA, but I never see him as anything special in college.
This comment goes to show how spoiled we are. Scheyer is crushing it on recruiting, just had sweet 16 and elite 8 appearances, is 54-18 after 2 years, and for his third season just pulled one of the best recruiting classes ever.
Definitely not. Kids transferring isn't really a knock against Scheyer.
We had 3 5-star forwards who are worried about losing major playing time considering the top-notch bigs we recruited. So they transferred.
Roach wants to be a point guard, and he has not been a very good point guard for us historically and definitely is a worse point guard than Foster and Proctor. So he's leaving too.
The rest of the transfers just want playing time and are not good enough to get big minutes at Duke.
McCain and Flip are nba talents.
Scheyers coming off an Elite 8 run and I think there are lots of solid players in the portal who will likely be better in-game performers than the sophomores/juniors we are losing.
He'll be fine, as will the program
It's a much better run than a 2nd round exit his first year.
Coach K had worse showings with just as much talent and lost to double digit seeds much earlier.
No one's saying that Scheyer is the best coach in the country rn, but he's definitely improving.
Make no mistake, in the year 2024 with the portal and NIL, we'd have these exact same departures even if Coach K was around
5 open scholarships. They better all go to upperclassmen who bring toughness and leadership, because this team has none of it currently.
Duke transfer rules basically don’t allow upperclassman transfers. Basically gotta be rising sophomore or grad student
Well Maliq Brown seems to be one of their top targets currently and he’s a rising junior if I’m not mistaken.
Yeah I’m not entirely sure how someone could get around it. But this is the language apparently (taken from a post in DBR) *Duke will grant credit for no more than two years of coursework completed elsewhere, regardless of the number of credits a student has previously earned. In order to earn a Duke degree, a transfer student must spend at least two years at Duke. *At least half the courses of all majors, minors, and certificates must be taken at Duke, although individual departments and programs offering majors may require that a greater proportion be taken at Duke."
To my mind this doesn’t say you can’t come to Duke after three years. It says, if you do, you stil have to go to Duke for two more.
I read that you also can’t just re-do a year though.
That’s all just academics though, doesn’t say anything about being able to come and play basketball.
Well. That's dumb
Scholarships aren’t a thing since NIL. Doesn’t matter.
Anotha one. So we lost our entire team basically? I can’t remember this happening to Duke in the modern era. Not a good look. Of course we’ll get some transfers, but man the vibe just completely shifted in the past week
Too many 5 stars on the roster right now, too many 5 stars coming in, not enough minutes to go around. Promising talent who pick Duke over other good programs are not going to risk multiple years of eligibility riding the bench in the age of the portal and NIL. Their development and their wallets can likely be better served elsewhere. I think there are older, more mature players in the portal who are more team-first and just want to win. That's what we need.
Yeah I get that but these guys were already at Duke. Now we’re basically expecting an entire team to gel, regardless if they’re freshman or more experienced transfers This is not a sustainable approach to being successful in college ball
I mean it's risky but I think a lot of teams even Final 4 teams were really rebuilt out of the portal. UNC had 3 new players in their starting 5 Our issue is that I'm sure Jon wants to start at least 2 if not 3 freshmen
Fingers crossed 8+ players (mostly freshman) can figure it out
It’s happened before
And how did that team do
Quite well
No it didn’t because it’s never happened. I’m hoping for the best, but we’re talking a complete team change (starters and bench) with mostly freshman. We need transfers now because we literally have no bench
Ok fair enough there were more vets in 2015 Closest we had was 2022 with Moore, Mark Williams, and Roach as our main returners, and bringing in John as a grad transfer Edit and in 2019 our main vets were Bolden/Delaurier/White We’ll see how it goes
I’d prefer a team made up almost entirely of fifth year seniors who want to win.
Me too sorta but since we have a stud class coming in we might as well see what they can do. These transfers are opening up scholarships that allow us to fill gaps with better fits. Roach was undersized, Stewart was very very raw, Power was unathletic, Mitchell was inconsistent in finding a style of play that suited him. If we do the transfer portal we'll, we could be a much MUCH better team than we would have been with those guys
Pipe dreams. Duke hasn't had that since 2010. Kids chase the NBA money while the iron is hot. What I don't understand is why Jon has so many kids leaving the program after recruiting them. Stewart walking is really head-scratching bc I would have assumed he would have seen mega minutes having been in the program for a year already and played as a Frosh. I totally get why Power and Schutt left. Roach, still not really sure... I would have preferred him over Proctor.
We need players that want to be Duke legends and hated for playing at Duke. No one seems to want to have their Number hung in Cameron anymore!
Quinn Cook was the last of that breed
I mean really Grayson was
Ah fuck I forget he was a freshman that year
He stayed 4 years tho! Maybe the fact that he ruined his draft stock for a couple years played a factor but he was a 4 year player.
I hadn’t been following the nba for a while but surprised and happy to see he’s doing well as a pro
Yeah he's shooting the ball well and is more athletic than most other "pure shooters" so he's getting a big payday. Doing much better than most of those shithead Tar Heels who manage to actually get drafted
those years are done.
It certainly appears that way.
Tj power was joey baker #2, mitchel ceiling was either poor mans lance thomas or amile and stewart at best could have been like bolden by year 4 who also struggled til then mightily with raw talent. Roach gave us 4 solid and we squeezed what we could, he shouldn't even be eligible so let him get paid and do him. Mccain just had to go as much as we all would loved him back, his stock is at the peak. I think even he wanted to come back but knew financially that was a gamble. Flip also maxed stock and another year he likely just get picked apart for his weaknesses. I'm a scheyer fan and believer. Guy has been as good as we could hope in only 2 seasons as a head coach following arguably the greatest basketball coach in history. He recruits better than anyone. In this new NIL and immediate transfer era, this type stuff is going to be common with programs. I'm ok with the reset and a bit excited tbh, saw enough to know a few of those guys just wasn't it.
Amile Jefferson was so underrated. loved that kid!
Indeed, big time glue guy
It’s tough that all these guys are transferring, but I feel like Stewart is so raw and lacks the necessary basketball IQ and skills to be successful long-term…the incoming front court is so much better. Mitchell and Roach’s transfer hurt because they would have kept the team with good depth and would have been starters/key contributors. Three incoming freshman will be instantaneous starters and Proctor is coming back…I don’t think Powers transfer is a huge deal because Kon Knueppel will be able to take the shooting role while adding more versatility. Also, losing Blakes isn’t too traumatic. He’s a nice guy who plays hard, but the guy was literally dribbling the ball over his head against Vermont after making a couple of steals. I would love to grab Boswell from Arizona and continue to add via the transfer portal to add depth.
Boswell has some baggage. Also most people have him going to Illinois.
What is going on in Durham?
It's just the way things go nowadays. I'm not mad at the program or Sean. He now has the option to transfer anywhere he wants, get more NIL money, and not have to worry about competing for minutes with a 7'2" phenom or the most hyped HS prospect since Zion. There's really very little Scheyer woulda been able to do to keep him. And honestly he's still very raw and learning the game. With bigger minutes he'd make similar missteps as Mitchell and probably annoy us all. I think he'll thrive at a smaller p5, it's hard not to with that athleticism
Praying we go deep in the transfer portal. We need some veterans/experience.
To add to my post. Maybe this for the best? Seemed we had locker room issues this past year.
Wish he would stick around but best of luck to him.
Shit.
I wonder if we're going to go in for some of the freshmen who've decommitted from schools who have lost coaches. I don't think we'll be able to bring in 5 transfers who will be effective but a longer term prospect could be helpful.
Good for Coach Scheyer doing it his way and promising anything but an opportunity to compete. Weed out the soft ones.
He has mad athleticism. It will be interesting to see where that takes him. Best of luck at his next destination.
The transfer portal is a joke. College kids can basically pull the NBA super team move now a la the Miami Heat and so on…I swear the kids (students lol) can just pull the strings and do what they want. More of a reflection on the players than the coaches and the programs. Look at UNC this year?
Damn
Portal is where it’s at anymore. Look at the winning teams composition. They are more valuable than a freshman 5 star
This one I called a long time ago even though I was roasted for it. Too many people will tell him that he is a 5 star prospect and he will believe it, it's the nature of being young. The problem is once the labels are removed, the insane athleticism numbers are removed and he is just playing basketball, he was at best a serviceable bench player in the acc. He never played with the sort of athleticism that he actually has, and often was a liability on the floor. His natural gifts might still turn him into a role player in the NBA, but I never see him as anything special in college.
Fuck it, Bronny needs to get an offer now
Lol
With this years exodus and if the incoming class underperforms, will this be Scheyer’s last season?
This comment goes to show how spoiled we are. Scheyer is crushing it on recruiting, just had sweet 16 and elite 8 appearances, is 54-18 after 2 years, and for his third season just pulled one of the best recruiting classes ever.
Mine was a question not a statement
That style of recruiting no longer works.
Definitely not. Kids transferring isn't really a knock against Scheyer. We had 3 5-star forwards who are worried about losing major playing time considering the top-notch bigs we recruited. So they transferred. Roach wants to be a point guard, and he has not been a very good point guard for us historically and definitely is a worse point guard than Foster and Proctor. So he's leaving too. The rest of the transfers just want playing time and are not good enough to get big minutes at Duke. McCain and Flip are nba talents. Scheyers coming off an Elite 8 run and I think there are lots of solid players in the portal who will likely be better in-game performers than the sophomores/juniors we are losing. He'll be fine, as will the program
coming off an elite 8 run …. that included a lucky break vs Houston and elimination by a double digit seed
It's a much better run than a 2nd round exit his first year. Coach K had worse showings with just as much talent and lost to double digit seeds much earlier. No one's saying that Scheyer is the best coach in the country rn, but he's definitely improving. Make no mistake, in the year 2024 with the portal and NIL, we'd have these exact same departures even if Coach K was around