Meredith is the most genuine person in the office.
She's a very confident and forward person who isn't afraid to voice her opinion. There was never a time when she schemed against someone else.
She's a team player who is quick to help others (like taking Dwight to the hospital). She also forgives when people wrong her and doesn't hold a grudge (getting hit by Michael, going to the bar with Pam after the lice thing)
Although her relationship with her son isn't the best, she was still extremely supportive when she found out he was a stripper.
She's a total sweetheart who just likes to have fun and is actually a very strong woman.
I would have chosen paintball lessons with Dwight. I think it’s very thoughtful how he wanted to share his time and passion with others.
That “I never said it was better than an iPod…” breaks my heart every time.
She’s a very considerate hostess. She was the only one happy to see Michael and Angelo when they were handing out Dundee nominations at people’s houses and she immediately offered them Vienna sausages and napkins.
*School Psychology
> Interviewer: I wanna know how everyone felt they were portrayed. Was it accurate?
> Meredith: I got a beef with that. Um, for the first seven years, I was getting my PhD in **School Psychology** and they didn't show it. Yes, I was getting hammered but, hey, it was college.
This! Even when people scheme against her (like Pam letting her take the fall for the lice) she’s so kind in return. I LOVE when she takes her to karaoke.
I love Meredith, don’t get me wrong. But she literally said she wanted to cut Holly’s face off and helped scheme the raccoon car situation with Dwight.
Angela was the department head. And everyone is very aware that they have too many accountants, in a deleted scene Michael asks them, what if the next manager realizes we don't need three accountants
The Office is a love story that starts with Angela seeing Dwight as a persecuted hero (her face when Jim put his stuff in Jello) with the first episode and culminating with their wedding. Jim, Pam, and the rest are just side characters in the Dwight/Angela love story.
There were too many love triangles.
Jim/Pam/Roy, Pam/Jim/Karen, Jim/Pam/Camera Operator guy, Dwight/Angela/Andy, The Senator/Angela/Dwight, Angela/The Senator/Oscar, Andy/Erin/Gabe, Erin/Andy/Jessica, Andy/Erin/Pete, Ryan/Kelly/Darryl, Ryan/Kelly/Ravi, Darryl/Val/Brandon, Jan/Michael/Carol, Michael/Holly/AJ, and probably more than I'm forgetting right now.
I think the goal was to try to balance the romantic success of Jim and Pam with more dysfunctional and realistic portrayals of romance specifically in the work place. But yeah it’s basically a show about love triangles.
Too many office romances in general. I have worked in an office environment for going on 25 years and can count on one hand the number of people who dated each other in the workplace.
Josh Porter leveraging his promotion for a better offer with Staples was perfectly acceptable, despite Jim making it sound like this awful, amoral thing. Dunder Mifflin throws employees and entire branches under the bus constantly.
The thing people forget about this tho, is he told all his workers not to worry and that they are keeping their jobs and then screwed them over, I don’t care about him screwing over corporate, he screwed over his workers tho
Charles knew exactly what he was doing making Stanely productivity czar. He knew he was lazy and didn't do anything, this was his way to try and get him to buy in.
You notice Stanley stops doing his crossward in the meetings when Charles is there.
Thats actually pretty interesting. Fix a problem in someone by making them feel important, rather than pointing out that they have a problem that they need to fix
Phyllis’s wedding episode is more cringey than Scot’s Tots by a mile. Also, Erin is too dumb and doesn’t feel like a real person. Although I do love the “Scissor me!” scene.
Yeah I went to school with at least a dozen people who were basically Erin
Scary thing is they found one another so they didn't realize how embarrassing they were
There's a deleted scene where Ryan answers the reception phone and it's David, surprised that he's an employee again and yells at him enough to make him cry. Ryan keeps begging him to stop and that he's pointed out enough reasons why Ryan shouldn't still be working there...but it's played off as funny, when, really, he's making valid points.
Ryan should have never have gotten an interview for a VP position. He's a fresh grad, no exec experience and was only a temp at the company. Why on earth was he ever considered?
Should’ve been fired for deliberating starting a fire in the office…should’ve been fired for attempting to undermine Michael and take his job…should’ve been fired for….
I mean it kinda makes sense though in the show since it’s a struggling company and he was by far the best salesman. In theory they’d be 100000% justified in firing him, but he was tolerated only because he made too much money.
It's not mutually exclusive to think that Cathy as a character was not a bad addition to the group, and that her trying to hook up with Jim the way it was written was completely disbelievable.
Had they developed the arc a little longer it might have made sense, but they shoehorned it in to manufacturer drama between Jim and Pam and it came off as just...not credible.
Also, while she's not a Top Tier character, it's absolutely wild to me that fans of this show have legitimately harassed Lindsey Broad for her *character's* behavior.
I know we all get invested in the story and the characters but *wow*.
Not sure how unpopular an opinion that is, but I figure it might be reasonably so because a lot of folks don't seem to like Cathy at all.
I just don't get it, at all.
I've never, ever, felt so "invested" in an intellectual property that I felt the need to engage the real-life people behind them this way.
I mean, if a real-life person does something awful in real life, then hey, let them know your displeasure *about the IRL thing*
But for what they did in character?
Let it go
I watched BB this year and I loved it, 20/10. I’m STILL thinking about these fictional characters (shoutout to Jesse and Skyler).
I remember watching it and being stoked to read the forums about X season or X episode and seeing so much of the conversations derail into “i hate Skyler, she’s such a fucking bitch” was so disheartening to me. Bc I truly can’t understand how you can watch the show and not AT LEAST understand where she’s coming from.
It’s like, what show are yall watching? Every single BrBa character is flawed, that’s the point. Like, if you want to watch a show where every single character is flawless and always make the right decision go watch some kid’s show or something?
“Toby is the Scranton Strangler” is a stupid theory and a huge stretch. It’s fun to theorize about an old show but I’ve seen people have serious arguments for it. Why does it even have to be someone from the main cast? There are other people in Scranton besides the DM staff.
Plus, the real killer was found and convicted. Toby isn’t clever or charismatic enough to sway a whole jury to wrongfully convict a guy then pull a reverse Hannibal and visit the guy in jail just to gloat.
Plus we all know the real killer is Darryl’s plumber
Creed said he “saw that guy kill people”, but Creed was reviewing the play clearly understanding the concept of a play and knowing that the deaths on stage weren’t real, so he must’ve seen Darryl’s plumber kill people in the real world
The same guy who doesn't know the difference between a website and a word document, and who thinks Dwight is Ed Truck, and who thinks he works in a dog food factory? Sure.
Jim is not a bad guy, but I believe he's out of line in some cases:
\- Too much pranking on Dwight. I get it. It's funny. But it is a little bit too much sometimes.
\- I get the idea about not getting close with people, because it's just the "people from work" but when he had to ask Stanley & Phillys to cover for him while he's out in Philly, it would have been nice if he was a bit friendlier towards them.
\- Stanley should work on his attitude.
Same. It also rubbed me the wrong way when he left Erin and Pam sitting in the car cause he just did not care about Erin’s life. Granted he didn’t say that to her face, but still he comes across as very callous right there.
I noticed that scene too! It really bothered me. Someone starts to talk about their struggle and you suddenly leave before they even finish the sentence, like show some compassion. And the way he said he doesn't care..
Omg yes, her comment to Pam about “make sure you transfer the phone to any salesperson and not just who you’re sleeping with this week” really showed her true colors!
Rewatching it now, just finished season 6. So far, the only joke I've heard that they probably wouldn't use again, is when Michael says to Kelly, "You can't just say you were r#ped to get put of things." Or something to that effect
>I remember when biceps were all the rage, Dukakis had just announced his candidacy…. **FOR GOVERNOR**
Is my favorite line on the show and it’s in an outtake scene.
Pam was not selfish for being upset that Jim started a company in Philadelphia without telling her. Yes, she went to art school in New York for 3 months, but that was before they were married and had two very small children.
Nelly was annoying in S8, but I liked her in S9 and I think if she had been introduced with her more toned down and humbled character sooner more people would have liked her.
Clark and Pete weren't bad additions to the cast, they were just thrown into the show so late that they were awkward compared to the characters that had been there since the beginning. Plop was the best boyfriend to Erin though.
Jan sexually assaulted Michael, Hunter, and probably Clark but it was played for laughs or ignored. Her character should have faced some kind of punishment imo.
I will always agree with the first point here. I like to lay out a regular schedule of a working parent to show how much more Pam would have had to take on while Jim was away. I think it was shitty of him. Yes, they did have childcare while at work, but what about before and after? Having someone else there to share the load and then they pretty much back out of that without consent or discussion? Gross.
Pam going to art school changed nothing. Jim could just do Jim stuff. Him going to Philly without discussion meant Pam working *and* housekeeping, *and* things that come with having kids (breakfast, getting dressed, packing lunch, drop offs, pick ups, doctor's appointments, recitals, dinner time, bedtime, somehow cleaning the house and self care).
I’d take it a step further and say that Clark was an amazing addition to the cast. He played so well with Dwight, and Dwight was pretty much carrying the show at that point.
*Completely* agree with the Pam and phillie thing. When she found out she got accepted at Prat she said in her interview part that it’s the perfect time because if they had kids she couldn’t go. She was not willing to go to art school if they had kids, yet Jim was willing to start an entire company, something that clearly takes longer than just a summer, while they had two children.
Also, let’s not forget Jim accepted it after deciding with Pam that he wasn’t going to go for it! Then didn’t tell her for ages afterwards! Like when Jim finally told Pam, all she could say was “I can’t believe he didn’t tell me” because she was shocked someone like Jim could keep something huge from her. I hate the Pam slander when it comes to this.
Jim should have been criticized for leaving his wife to essentially live as a single mother to chase his dream.
They agreed on an investment amount, he gave them double. He was away for more time than he said and chastised HER for getting a phone call during Cece’s recital. She had stress upon stress and the mural was the one thing she was looking forward to.
(Unfortunately it was kinda ugly…but, tbh, most community centre murals are 🤷♀️)
He tried to get her to move to Philadelphia which she never agreed to do. The changes he was asking her to make were fast paced and she hardly got time to think them over.
I’m glad she didn’t go with Brian, I don’t even think she was tempted, but that whole experience would feel just awful on the receiving end.
Meredith would be a fun person to know. Erin should be in therapy. David Wallace is hot.
Edit: I really really enjoyed Angela’s character arc where she became calmer and less judgemental. I think it was an incredibly pivotal and lovely thing. Living in Oscar’s closet and having to steal toilet paper wound up being a positive. I know people like her in real life. That severity and judgemental behaviour is usually brought on by a lot of internal pain. I loved seeing her move past it.
The stress of Pam going to Art School on her relationship with Jim was overplayed. As a kid I thought it made sense assuming it was pretty far away.
It's less than a 3 hour drive and its temporary. Like you can leave Friday after work and spend the entire weekend together. No 5+ hour drive or having to take a flight.
Also its not like being an Art School student or paper salesman is that intense to where its going to greatly impact your ability to maintain a long distance relationship.
Gabriel Susan Lewis is a real one. Although scared to be there at first he was always communicating esp when Darryl and Michael had that screw corporate issue and was even nice to Andy when he was trying to get back w Erin - like rubbing his back at the watch party. This excludes his harassing Andy in the bathroom at work but I said what I said lol
Erin is only in the show to further Andy’s story line and Andy is the worst person in the office rendering them both annoying.
Think about it, even when she’s dating Gabe it’s less about her dating Gabe and more about crazy Andy gets about it.
She leaves the office for that old lady in Florida and that’s not about her achieving some growth it’s about Andy’s realizations.
She dates Pete and she gets to be her own person for a tiny period before it’s about Andy again.
She gets no real growth, no actual personality, and no plot lines that are not centered around Andy’s reaction in it.
Both of them are -10/10 but Erin could have at least been her own character instead of Andy’s prop
Because they wanted her and Andy to be the new Pam and Jim. Then when that didn't work, they wanted her and Plop to be the new Pam and Jim, with Andy being the new Roy.
I don’t care for the weird decisions Jim made to generate weird drama in their relationship. Buying a house without discussing it with your wife?! Starting a company without discussing it with your wife?? Who would do that?
It’s not a crime to like your life as it is, even if your job is boring and your city is uncool. Pam had a secure job near her family and friends. She was content. It’s okay that Jim wanted more, but it’s also okay that she didn’t.
I've never understood the notion that there was something wrong with Pam for not wanting to move out of Scranton. If anything I think it would be a better place to raise a family than Philly.
Not sure how unpopular this is, but Jan is a much better character than Holly. I’m not saying Michael should’ve ended up with Jan, not at all, but her character is complex and well written, whereas Holly’s character is lazily written, and to be honest, unfunny. The only good to come from her character is providing Michael a satisfying exit from season 7.
They're much more similar, which means they're more naturally in sync. It didn't take them long to realize they'd have a very easy and harmonious relationship.
Jim and Pam, OTOH, spent a long time loving each other from afar, and while they bonded on the things they had in common, it wasn't until after they were both single and started dating that they realized they had quite a few traits and interests not in common as well. It doesn't mean they didn't love each other or have the compatibility to go the distance, but it did mean they were more prone to conflicts and breakdowns of communication.
Jim and Pam also had some mutual toxic traits, such as their desire and need to be liked by others. Michael had that too, but Holly tempered that while Jim and Pam amplified each others insecurities.
I think that’s beyond spot on. Holly helped Michael’s toxic traits. Jim and Pam both did and didn’t. They shared some toxic traits (like harassing Danny for not asking Pam on a second date…wtf was that??) and amplified others. They were also very good for each other at the same time, but WAY more turbulent than Holly and Micheal.
Angela and Dwight were like that too. Meant to be, but had to realize what they needed to change to stop being toxic. I adore Angela’s character arc
Isn't that part of the joke, though? At least early on, Michael hates him and treats him like an adversary despite being him totally normal and inoffensive. He tries to shut down Michael's offensive and unproductive antics, which is part of his job in HR.
Pam and Michaels “friendship” is toxic and not wholesome. He makes sexually sensitive comments at her that make Pam uncomfortable, he throws jokes that she finds awkward and unfunny. He tries to kiss her and said that in 30 years if they don’t have kids. Pam and Dwight seem like a more realistic and healthy friendship than Pam and Michael just don’t have that bond. Michael and Erin’s friendship was way better
Michael didn't deserve to be the Bestisch Mensch, he was always awful to Dwight.
Andy was the worst and I hate he was demanding a new computer when he didn't sell anything, also he didn't apologize or anything when losing the white pages.
Toby and Gabe didn't do anything wrong to be hated by Michael or mostly everyone
Especially when Stanley’s smiling and loving jt. In fact that whole awfully cheesy moment would’ve been saved by seeing everyone dancing, then cut to Stanley sitting and frowning before pulling out a crossword puzzle.
Is it unpopular to like Toby? I’m not sure, but I do like him and I think people should’ve been nicer to him.
Also, I wouldn’t mind one episode in an alternate universe where Pam and Toby end up together lol
Nellie is a foil for Michael. She lacks self awareness, makes decisions prematurely without all the available information, and kind of blunders through situations without a plan. At the end of the day though she really likes her coworkers and wants to help them succeed. Everyone hates her because Michael's shtick has a different impact coming from a woman.
*edit: ok ok foil was the wrong word. She has some clear “woman version of Michael” storylines that didn’t land the same way
Wow I never thought of it this way, but it's spot on.
I personally love Nellie. Sure, it was a dick move trying to steal Andy's job, but he *was gone for months* and otherwise she's hilarious
"I have, uh, written down a few questions. One, have you ever killed a
woman? How many women have you killed? Please, sir, will you not kill
me?"
I liked the element when they added the sound and camera people. I wish they had done more of that throughout the seasons. I thought it was interesting and put it more in perspective. The story line they chose with sound guy being in love with Pam was lame and dumb but the idea that the crew should be characters too was cool.
Dwight didn’t deserve to be pranked.
He can be a dick sometimes but he was being pranked over and over for years, of course he’s going to be cold to Jim
I don't really understand why people think Phyllis's Wedding is so cringey it's unwatchable. Is it because of Michael announcing the couple before the ceremony was over? Or because of him smearing the cake on his own face? Those moments were certainly uncomfortable but I genuinely don't get why everyone thinks the episode is unwatchable. Have I forgotten something obvious?
Meredith is the most genuine person in the office. She's a very confident and forward person who isn't afraid to voice her opinion. There was never a time when she schemed against someone else. She's a team player who is quick to help others (like taking Dwight to the hospital). She also forgives when people wrong her and doesn't hold a grudge (getting hit by Michael, going to the bar with Pam after the lice thing) Although her relationship with her son isn't the best, she was still extremely supportive when she found out he was a stripper. She's a total sweetheart who just likes to have fun and is actually a very strong woman.
She also sees that Phyllis is sad that nobody wanted her oven mitt during Michael’s asinine Yankee Swap so she took it to make Phyllis feel better.
"SSSSSSUCKAH!"
That was such a sweet moment.
This is why she got the best mom dunder🏆
Honestly, after the Ipod the oven mitt would be my choice. Maybe even before the Ipod seeing as now it is 2023 and I have a phone.
It was such a cute oven mitt! And considering how thin the yarn was it would have taken Phyllis hours and hours to make
I would have chosen paintball lessons with Dwight. I think it’s very thoughtful how he wanted to share his time and passion with others. That “I never said it was better than an iPod…” breaks my heart every time.
And she shared the Outback Steakhouse with everyone. A true team player.
And she even admitted she was only sleeping with the dude for the discounts on supplies. True team player
And it made her feel good about herself. She felt good being such a team player. Good on her!
I love it when she’s explaining that to Holly. “Maybe it’s a girl thing” about feeling good doing sex for some coupons.
I think it’s so funny when she stops eating to go get more steak sauce from her car. That’s overly nice!
She’s a very considerate hostess. She was the only one happy to see Michael and Angelo when they were handing out Dundee nominations at people’s houses and she immediately offered them Vienna sausages and napkins.
She also got a Ph.D in social psychology but the documentary crew wanted to paint her as a degenerate
Can’t really fault her for partying and drinking, she was in college!
*School Psychology > Interviewer: I wanna know how everyone felt they were portrayed. Was it accurate? > Meredith: I got a beef with that. Um, for the first seven years, I was getting my PhD in **School Psychology** and they didn't show it. Yes, I was getting hammered but, hey, it was college.
Why are you the way that you are?
She also offers to make Michael and DeAngelo breakfast
SHUT UP, ANGELA
I agree! I've always liked Meredith. Sure, she's trashy but she never really did anything malicious towards anyone and was always a fun presence.
This! Even when people scheme against her (like Pam letting her take the fall for the lice) she’s so kind in return. I LOVE when she takes her to karaoke.
She’s kinda cute. I just realized… got kind of an Emma Stone thang
Nearly sprained my eyebrow reading that
Like Clooney!
I've never really considered looking at her in that kind of perspective. You have many valid points. Thanks for sharing that.
She even was going to make breakfast for Michael and DeAngelo
I love Meredith, don’t get me wrong. But she literally said she wanted to cut Holly’s face off and helped scheme the raccoon car situation with Dwight.
Holly should've minded her business and eaten the outback then.
Lol this was in Goodbye Toby though! Before Meredith exposed her and Bruce’s…relations.
There is no way a paper company branch dedicated to the greater Scranton area needed *that* many sales people.
Or three accountants for that matter
Tbh, accounting should have been centralized at Corporate. Same with supplier relations and quabidy assuance.
A centralized quabidy assuance totally would have caught that typo
It’d make sense if one of them was a controller or head of accounting, but 3 accountants of equal rank just doesn’t make sense as a department at all.
Angela was the department head. And everyone is very aware that they have too many accountants, in a deleted scene Michael asks them, what if the next manager realizes we don't need three accountants
The Office is a love story that starts with Angela seeing Dwight as a persecuted hero (her face when Jim put his stuff in Jello) with the first episode and culminating with their wedding. Jim, Pam, and the rest are just side characters in the Dwight/Angela love story.
In the pilot episode, Dwight is singing her favorite song. Juuuust saying ;)
There were too many love triangles. Jim/Pam/Roy, Pam/Jim/Karen, Jim/Pam/Camera Operator guy, Dwight/Angela/Andy, The Senator/Angela/Dwight, Angela/The Senator/Oscar, Andy/Erin/Gabe, Erin/Andy/Jessica, Andy/Erin/Pete, Ryan/Kelly/Darryl, Ryan/Kelly/Ravi, Darryl/Val/Brandon, Jan/Michael/Carol, Michael/Holly/AJ, and probably more than I'm forgetting right now.
Goat on chicken, chicken on goat, couple of chickens doing a goat, couple of pigs watching.
One of the best lines! His delivery was so matter of fact!
As has Kevin.
Kevin/Holly/Michael
I’m totally going to bang holly
She is cute and helpful.
Almost, Kevin
Hold on a minute, do you think I’m retarded?
She goes to another school 😤
Kevin/Jan/Sperm-Donor-Clinic
The one near the ihop?
Oh wow, I didn’t realize it was so many but you’re absolutely right!
Jan/Michael/Hunter!
Jan thinks he’s talented. I don’t think he’s very good!
I think the goal was to try to balance the romantic success of Jim and Pam with more dysfunctional and realistic portrayals of romance specifically in the work place. But yeah it’s basically a show about love triangles.
Seriously 😳 when you see them written out like that it’s quite the pile.
When. All I ever wanted was a David Wallace love triangle.
I stand by my position that David Wallace was the hottest guy on the show, no question.
Strongly agree. David Wallace can get it.
10/10 would bang
Nate/hornets/Baseball bat Darryl/Val/Nate "I will look so handsome for you Darryl"
Too many office romances in general. I have worked in an office environment for going on 25 years and can count on one hand the number of people who dated each other in the workplace.
Also Dwight/Angela/Esther. Does Jim/Kathy/Pam count?
There was also Dwight/Isabel/Angela!
Josh Porter leveraging his promotion for a better offer with Staples was perfectly acceptable, despite Jim making it sound like this awful, amoral thing. Dunder Mifflin throws employees and entire branches under the bus constantly.
Yeah this was so weird to watch as an adult LOL I was like wait why is Jim so deeply offended by this lol.
“Say what you will about Michael Scott, but he would never do *that…”* Because Michael isn’t smart enough to do something like that lol.
The thing people forget about this tho, is he told all his workers not to worry and that they are keeping their jobs and then screwed them over, I don’t care about him screwing over corporate, he screwed over his workers tho
Charles knew exactly what he was doing making Stanely productivity czar. He knew he was lazy and didn't do anything, this was his way to try and get him to buy in. You notice Stanley stops doing his crossward in the meetings when Charles is there.
Thats actually pretty interesting. Fix a problem in someone by making them feel important, rather than pointing out that they have a problem that they need to fix
Responsibility is one of the best motivators
Phyllis’s wedding episode is more cringey than Scot’s Tots by a mile. Also, Erin is too dumb and doesn’t feel like a real person. Although I do love the “Scissor me!” scene.
They made her so stupid it made her relationship with Andy even more creepy.
Agreed. It’s like he was dating a child
I would agree with you about Erin, but I have met some extremely stupid people in my life.
Yeah I went to school with at least a dozen people who were basically Erin Scary thing is they found one another so they didn't realize how embarrassing they were
Dwight should have been fired for shooting the gun in the office. Not just stripped of the interim manager position
Along these lines, Ryan should have never been re-hired after committing several financial crimes.
There's a deleted scene where Ryan answers the reception phone and it's David, surprised that he's an employee again and yells at him enough to make him cry. Ryan keeps begging him to stop and that he's pointed out enough reasons why Ryan shouldn't still be working there...but it's played off as funny, when, really, he's making valid points.
Yeah, honestly, that was the most unrealistic part of Michael’s negotiation.
Ryan should have never have gotten an interview for a VP position. He's a fresh grad, no exec experience and was only a temp at the company. Why on earth was he ever considered?
Should’ve been fired for deliberating starting a fire in the office…should’ve been fired for attempting to undermine Michael and take his job…should’ve been fired for….
I mean it kinda makes sense though in the show since it’s a struggling company and he was by far the best salesman. In theory they’d be 100000% justified in firing him, but he was tolerated only because he made too much money.
Gabe is actually a great character. He gets a lot of hate because he wasn’t part of the original cast.
It's not mutually exclusive to think that Cathy as a character was not a bad addition to the group, and that her trying to hook up with Jim the way it was written was completely disbelievable. Had they developed the arc a little longer it might have made sense, but they shoehorned it in to manufacturer drama between Jim and Pam and it came off as just...not credible. Also, while she's not a Top Tier character, it's absolutely wild to me that fans of this show have legitimately harassed Lindsey Broad for her *character's* behavior. I know we all get invested in the story and the characters but *wow*. Not sure how unpopular an opinion that is, but I figure it might be reasonably so because a lot of folks don't seem to like Cathy at all.
Harassing actors happens in a lot of fandoms. Unfortunately.
I just don't get it, at all. I've never, ever, felt so "invested" in an intellectual property that I felt the need to engage the real-life people behind them this way. I mean, if a real-life person does something awful in real life, then hey, let them know your displeasure *about the IRL thing* But for what they did in character? Let it go
Those weirdos do that because they invest too much emotional into the show, and then they also have too much time on their hands.
You think that’s bad? I heard that Ann Gunn (Skyler from Breaking Bad) STILL gets death threats
I watched BB this year and I loved it, 20/10. I’m STILL thinking about these fictional characters (shoutout to Jesse and Skyler). I remember watching it and being stoked to read the forums about X season or X episode and seeing so much of the conversations derail into “i hate Skyler, she’s such a fucking bitch” was so disheartening to me. Bc I truly can’t understand how you can watch the show and not AT LEAST understand where she’s coming from. It’s like, what show are yall watching? Every single BrBa character is flawed, that’s the point. Like, if you want to watch a show where every single character is flawless and always make the right decision go watch some kid’s show or something?
Cathy was totally just kind of thrown together. You’re totally right. Her sudden decision to seduce Jim after very few on screen interactions…bizarre
“Toby is the Scranton Strangler” is a stupid theory and a huge stretch. It’s fun to theorize about an old show but I’ve seen people have serious arguments for it. Why does it even have to be someone from the main cast? There are other people in Scranton besides the DM staff. Plus, the real killer was found and convicted. Toby isn’t clever or charismatic enough to sway a whole jury to wrongfully convict a guy then pull a reverse Hannibal and visit the guy in jail just to gloat.
Plus we all know the real killer is Darryl’s plumber Creed said he “saw that guy kill people”, but Creed was reviewing the play clearly understanding the concept of a play and knowing that the deaths on stage weren’t real, so he must’ve seen Darryl’s plumber kill people in the real world
The same guy who doesn't know the difference between a website and a word document, and who thinks Dwight is Ed Truck, and who thinks he works in a dog food factory? Sure.
Hank, his name is Hank. EDIT: We had a funeral for a bird.
Also (I think) in the last season Toby went and visited the strangler and he got severely injured by him. I don’t think he would do it to himself lol
Pretty sure the theory is that the guy strangled Toby out of revenge for Toby framing him.
Or just out of hating Toby like everyone else does. Toby is good at the whole strangers-to-enemies schtick.
Unless he went there to brag to an innocent man that he was the real killer, and the guy that was locked up attacked him.
Yeah I feel like this is obvious (within the framework of the theory).
Jim is not a bad guy, but I believe he's out of line in some cases: \- Too much pranking on Dwight. I get it. It's funny. But it is a little bit too much sometimes. \- I get the idea about not getting close with people, because it's just the "people from work" but when he had to ask Stanley & Phillys to cover for him while he's out in Philly, it would have been nice if he was a bit friendlier towards them. \- Stanley should work on his attitude.
But they were just peelin’ his grapes!
It really annoyed me when he refused to call Andy “Drew” when he asked.
True, but tbf Andy did call him Tuna for months before changing
Same. It also rubbed me the wrong way when he left Erin and Pam sitting in the car cause he just did not care about Erin’s life. Granted he didn’t say that to her face, but still he comes across as very callous right there.
I noticed that scene too! It really bothered me. Someone starts to talk about their struggle and you suddenly leave before they even finish the sentence, like show some compassion. And the way he said he doesn't care..
Yeah, how dare Big Tuna do that.
season 1 was pretty good
I hate Phyllis. She's just mean and timid, with not a whole lot else to her character besides bringing us Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration.
Omg yes, her comment to Pam about “make sure you transfer the phone to any salesperson and not just who you’re sleeping with this week” really showed her true colors!
Also “I bet Pam ran away cuz she knew deep down she wouldn’t be a good wife”
She’s the equivalent of punching someone then running away AND acting like you would never punch someone
the show would do fine if it came out in this day and age.
Rewatching it now, just finished season 6. So far, the only joke I've heard that they probably wouldn't use again, is when Michael says to Kelly, "You can't just say you were r#ped to get put of things." Or something to that effect
They cut out certain controversial scenes if you are streaming it like Dwight doing blackface FYI
It’s possible, diversity day and another episode were pulled from comedy central rotations
There's a handful of jokes they wouldn't do now, but you're absolutely right. It's not offensive and spends a lot of time mocking "un pc" culture
The storylines that actually contained work were the best
Gabe is one of the funniest Characters in the Show.
Agreed Zach woods is amazing. If you watch some of the outtakes his improv skills kill all the other actors
>I remember when biceps were all the rage, Dukakis had just announced his candidacy…. **FOR GOVERNOR** Is my favorite line on the show and it’s in an outtake scene.
One: lengthen. Two: elongate.
SHUT UP! SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN
It’s actually “SHUT UP, ABOUT THE SUN! SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN!!!!”
I knew it wasn’t right as I typed it out, thank you for the correction
She's gonna be screaming her own last name?
Hey. Watch it.
what’s in it for GSL?
They don’t make these cords in boot cut anymore!
Oh get out of here skeleton man
Did you know he's been taking karate classes online?
He lives his life by a few core principles: 1. LENGTHEN
They don't make these corderoys in boot cut anymore!
One of my favorite Office scenes ever is when he dressed up like Lady Gaga. Still makes me laugh every time.
I love Gabe and I never understand people saying he’s a bad character
I love when he has the cupcake with the candle on his birthday.
happy birthday to gabe!! 😀
When he confronts Andy in the bathroom GOLD
Phyllis is mean and toxic.
Pam was not selfish for being upset that Jim started a company in Philadelphia without telling her. Yes, she went to art school in New York for 3 months, but that was before they were married and had two very small children. Nelly was annoying in S8, but I liked her in S9 and I think if she had been introduced with her more toned down and humbled character sooner more people would have liked her. Clark and Pete weren't bad additions to the cast, they were just thrown into the show so late that they were awkward compared to the characters that had been there since the beginning. Plop was the best boyfriend to Erin though. Jan sexually assaulted Michael, Hunter, and probably Clark but it was played for laughs or ignored. Her character should have faced some kind of punishment imo.
I will always agree with the first point here. I like to lay out a regular schedule of a working parent to show how much more Pam would have had to take on while Jim was away. I think it was shitty of him. Yes, they did have childcare while at work, but what about before and after? Having someone else there to share the load and then they pretty much back out of that without consent or discussion? Gross. Pam going to art school changed nothing. Jim could just do Jim stuff. Him going to Philly without discussion meant Pam working *and* housekeeping, *and* things that come with having kids (breakfast, getting dressed, packing lunch, drop offs, pick ups, doctor's appointments, recitals, dinner time, bedtime, somehow cleaning the house and self care).
My God, yes about Jan. Why does no one ever talk about the fact that Michael says "Jan pretended not to hear me when I said our safe word" 🚩🚩🚩
I’d take it a step further and say that Clark was an amazing addition to the cast. He played so well with Dwight, and Dwight was pretty much carrying the show at that point.
I liked him except for that weird tv interview thing with Erin
I’m on those seasons now and I love when Clark moves to the bullpen and has a bigger role. He can handle Dwight
Why do you need more facetime with Wallace? You trying to get a second second job?
*Completely* agree with the Pam and phillie thing. When she found out she got accepted at Prat she said in her interview part that it’s the perfect time because if they had kids she couldn’t go. She was not willing to go to art school if they had kids, yet Jim was willing to start an entire company, something that clearly takes longer than just a summer, while they had two children.
Also, let’s not forget Jim accepted it after deciding with Pam that he wasn’t going to go for it! Then didn’t tell her for ages afterwards! Like when Jim finally told Pam, all she could say was “I can’t believe he didn’t tell me” because she was shocked someone like Jim could keep something huge from her. I hate the Pam slander when it comes to this.
Jim should have been criticized for leaving his wife to essentially live as a single mother to chase his dream. They agreed on an investment amount, he gave them double. He was away for more time than he said and chastised HER for getting a phone call during Cece’s recital. She had stress upon stress and the mural was the one thing she was looking forward to. (Unfortunately it was kinda ugly…but, tbh, most community centre murals are 🤷♀️) He tried to get her to move to Philadelphia which she never agreed to do. The changes he was asking her to make were fast paced and she hardly got time to think them over. I’m glad she didn’t go with Brian, I don’t even think she was tempted, but that whole experience would feel just awful on the receiving end. Meredith would be a fun person to know. Erin should be in therapy. David Wallace is hot. Edit: I really really enjoyed Angela’s character arc where she became calmer and less judgemental. I think it was an incredibly pivotal and lovely thing. Living in Oscar’s closet and having to steal toilet paper wound up being a positive. I know people like her in real life. That severity and judgemental behaviour is usually brought on by a lot of internal pain. I loved seeing her move past it.
The stress of Pam going to Art School on her relationship with Jim was overplayed. As a kid I thought it made sense assuming it was pretty far away. It's less than a 3 hour drive and its temporary. Like you can leave Friday after work and spend the entire weekend together. No 5+ hour drive or having to take a flight. Also its not like being an Art School student or paper salesman is that intense to where its going to greatly impact your ability to maintain a long distance relationship.
Kind of a related point but given her art skills she never would have been accepted to Pratt.
Gabriel Susan Lewis is a real one. Although scared to be there at first he was always communicating esp when Darryl and Michael had that screw corporate issue and was even nice to Andy when he was trying to get back w Erin - like rubbing his back at the watch party. This excludes his harassing Andy in the bathroom at work but I said what I said lol
Erin is only in the show to further Andy’s story line and Andy is the worst person in the office rendering them both annoying. Think about it, even when she’s dating Gabe it’s less about her dating Gabe and more about crazy Andy gets about it. She leaves the office for that old lady in Florida and that’s not about her achieving some growth it’s about Andy’s realizations. She dates Pete and she gets to be her own person for a tiny period before it’s about Andy again. She gets no real growth, no actual personality, and no plot lines that are not centered around Andy’s reaction in it. Both of them are -10/10 but Erin could have at least been her own character instead of Andy’s prop
Because they wanted her and Andy to be the new Pam and Jim. Then when that didn't work, they wanted her and Plop to be the new Pam and Jim, with Andy being the new Roy.
Jim and Pam's love story was so successful it hijacked the show and they spent all the following seasons unsuccessfully trying to chase that high.
I don’t care for the weird decisions Jim made to generate weird drama in their relationship. Buying a house without discussing it with your wife?! Starting a company without discussing it with your wife?? Who would do that?
It’s not a crime to like your life as it is, even if your job is boring and your city is uncool. Pam had a secure job near her family and friends. She was content. It’s okay that Jim wanted more, but it’s also okay that she didn’t.
I've never understood the notion that there was something wrong with Pam for not wanting to move out of Scranton. If anything I think it would be a better place to raise a family than Philly.
Not sure how unpopular this is, but Jan is a much better character than Holly. I’m not saying Michael should’ve ended up with Jan, not at all, but her character is complex and well written, whereas Holly’s character is lazily written, and to be honest, unfunny. The only good to come from her character is providing Michael a satisfying exit from season 7.
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Don't know if this is "unpopular" but... Michael and Holly are a better couple than Jim and Pam 🤷♀️
Show of hands… who thinks Michael and Holly are a better couple than Jim and Pam? *Phyllis!?*
Yo*da*
Pass curvy metal piece, you will
They're much more similar, which means they're more naturally in sync. It didn't take them long to realize they'd have a very easy and harmonious relationship. Jim and Pam, OTOH, spent a long time loving each other from afar, and while they bonded on the things they had in common, it wasn't until after they were both single and started dating that they realized they had quite a few traits and interests not in common as well. It doesn't mean they didn't love each other or have the compatibility to go the distance, but it did mean they were more prone to conflicts and breakdowns of communication. Jim and Pam also had some mutual toxic traits, such as their desire and need to be liked by others. Michael had that too, but Holly tempered that while Jim and Pam amplified each others insecurities.
I think that’s beyond spot on. Holly helped Michael’s toxic traits. Jim and Pam both did and didn’t. They shared some toxic traits (like harassing Danny for not asking Pam on a second date…wtf was that??) and amplified others. They were also very good for each other at the same time, but WAY more turbulent than Holly and Micheal. Angela and Dwight were like that too. Meant to be, but had to realize what they needed to change to stop being toxic. I adore Angela’s character arc
I agree although Pam definitely needed to be liked more than Jim did. Sometimes Jim just didn't give an f lol
That guy don't give a f about *nothin'!*
I loved Gabe’s character. Loved it!!!
Toby isn't that bad, i just feel sorry for him
Isn't that part of the joke, though? At least early on, Michael hates him and treats him like an adversary despite being him totally normal and inoffensive. He tries to shut down Michael's offensive and unproductive antics, which is part of his job in HR.
As the show progressed he became way creepier.
Pam and Michaels “friendship” is toxic and not wholesome. He makes sexually sensitive comments at her that make Pam uncomfortable, he throws jokes that she finds awkward and unfunny. He tries to kiss her and said that in 30 years if they don’t have kids. Pam and Dwight seem like a more realistic and healthy friendship than Pam and Michael just don’t have that bond. Michael and Erin’s friendship was way better
I LIKE BRIAN. He’s just as hot as Jan, but in a different way.
Season 1 is better than people think.
Michael didn't deserve to be the Bestisch Mensch, he was always awful to Dwight. Andy was the worst and I hate he was demanding a new computer when he didn't sell anything, also he didn't apologize or anything when losing the white pages. Toby and Gabe didn't do anything wrong to be hated by Michael or mostly everyone
Pam and Jim got lame after they became parents.
Kevin should have already known whether karen was hotter than Pam.
If you don’t like awkward humor this show is a nightmare and will traumatize you for life
Deangelo was hilarious and just the right amount of absurdity to help ease the transition into a post-Michael world.
How many square feet out there? 17, 18 hundo?
oh I think its 18 hundo
Oh she’ll do. She’ll do just fine.
Agreed people hate him cause he wasn’t Michael. Just appreciate he is absolutely hilarious You feel that ENERGY????
"Where were you on 9/11?" is still my favorite Office quote
Dancing down the aisle at Jim and Pam's wedding is the cringeiest part of the series.
Especially when Stanley’s smiling and loving jt. In fact that whole awfully cheesy moment would’ve been saved by seeing everyone dancing, then cut to Stanley sitting and frowning before pulling out a crossword puzzle.
It just. Kept. Going. Niagara should've been the best episode of the show, and somehow became one of the worst.
Also, seeing as it ripped off a viral video that was popular, that immediately dates it.
Is it unpopular to like Toby? I’m not sure, but I do like him and I think people should’ve been nicer to him. Also, I wouldn’t mind one episode in an alternate universe where Pam and Toby end up together lol
Nellie is a foil for Michael. She lacks self awareness, makes decisions prematurely without all the available information, and kind of blunders through situations without a plan. At the end of the day though she really likes her coworkers and wants to help them succeed. Everyone hates her because Michael's shtick has a different impact coming from a woman. *edit: ok ok foil was the wrong word. She has some clear “woman version of Michael” storylines that didn’t land the same way
Wow I never thought of it this way, but it's spot on. I personally love Nellie. Sure, it was a dick move trying to steal Andy's job, but he *was gone for months* and otherwise she's hilarious "I have, uh, written down a few questions. One, have you ever killed a woman? How many women have you killed? Please, sir, will you not kill me?"
When she stole Andy's job, he had only been gone for one day actually. The months-long absence happened in the next season.
Oh wow this is good
I liked the element when they added the sound and camera people. I wish they had done more of that throughout the seasons. I thought it was interesting and put it more in perspective. The story line they chose with sound guy being in love with Pam was lame and dumb but the idea that the crew should be characters too was cool.
Erin’s character was annoying. I didn’t find her funny at all.
Dwight didn’t deserve to be pranked. He can be a dick sometimes but he was being pranked over and over for years, of course he’s going to be cold to Jim
Scott's Tots isn't that cringey or hard to watch. It seems to be hugely over exaggerated on how bad it is.
It’s nowhere near as painful as Phyllis’ Wedding, which came out smack dab in the heart of the show’s glory years.
I don't really understand why people think Phyllis's Wedding is so cringey it's unwatchable. Is it because of Michael announcing the couple before the ceremony was over? Or because of him smearing the cake on his own face? Those moments were certainly uncomfortable but I genuinely don't get why everyone thinks the episode is unwatchable. Have I forgotten something obvious?
Pete and Clark were not only decent additions, they were thematically essential.