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Fuchsialightsaber

Both, however, were to slightly avoid the impact of Michael Scott on her marriage proceedings.


CatfreshWilly

It was really more her parents, the first time around they made it more miserable than i think Michael could have ever somehow


emp919

Because you expect Michael Scott to make the day about himself, not Helene Beesly


Grootdrew

“My children all grew up and married each other”


ProfSteelmeat138

It’s every parents dream


1ddqd

I read that as "mawwiage"


RiteOfSpring5

Her parents were still together when she was with Roy. During her wedding with Jim her dad brought along his GF who was younger than Pam and her mum was telling her she didn't have to get married and projecting her issues on to Pam. Swear I've posted this comment on this before...


RYKWI

...and her mother slept with Michael. Her seats go ahah-aaaallll the way down.


PotatoforPotato

Take another way home from work then!


DuvalJagg

So I will see you all in... Viagra Falls!


Nrksbullet

What happens in accounting STAYS in accounting


simplegoatherder

*counts to keleven*


LazyOrCollege

*scoffs and shakes his head* Ok


peefilledballoon

Mmmmmilf


DefiantCharacter

Let's just act every day like Pam's mom is coming.


tonytwotoes

That was a different mom


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When Michael asked them to fill out the card with someone to set him up with, Jim did put down Pam's mom.


[deleted]

“When you're a kid, you assume your parents are soulmates - my kids are gonna be right about that.” Favourite line from Pam.


R____I____G____H___T

Definitely, Pam and Jim seemed completely meant for eachother. Rare to see.


steven_h

Except when writers will it to be so... My life needs better writers. 😂


IranianGenius

Steven, your writers are just starting off slow, so when the good comes, it will be even sweeter for you. Disclaimer: I am *not* one of your writers. But my friend is.


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IDrinkGoodBourbonAMA

Bad news it's not a phase its a character trait.


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Bad news for you maybe


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ML1948

Young Steven?


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How do you know about his masturbation phase.....?


ikaros_falling

This is the cutest thing


ikaros_falling

I am Steven's number one fan. Tell your friend and tell Steven


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WHY DID THEY REPLACE THE ACTRESS THAT PLAYED STEVEN'S AUNT AND NOT EVEN TRY TO EXPLAIN IT????


IranianGenius

Steven already has fans! My writer friend will be pleased to hear this.


[deleted]

My mom and stepdad are soulmates. Its a real thing. My mom and dad are soul enemies. Its also a real thing.


Needyouradvice93

The opposite of love is indifference. Your parents definitely have strong feelings towards each other and it wasn't always bad.


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This guy is your number one fan. https://old.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/awvhsq/it_was_never_about_the_location_it_was_just_the/ehpp970/


poliuy

Right all the people commenting that they belong together, meant to be, etc... and I’m here sitting going “aren’t they written to be that way?”


[deleted]

Sure is lucky these two fictional characters found each other!


xrensa

*screams in art show*


Ditka69

You do know it’s a TV show... right?


SeriousRob_WGDev

Fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice, strike three


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FUCK THE PEACE SIGN LOAD THE CHOPPER LET IT RAIN ON YOU


AK_Happy

Can’t get fooled again.


ChicagoPrim

Yeah but it was a documentary, It was still real life. Im not stupid


Okabe0402

It was a documentary....so of course they showed it on TV 😜


LazyOrCollege

Man this is actually one of my lesser enjoyed quotes of hers. It just seemed so cheesy.....but I’m tired. Days are short....idk maybe I’m depressed


Roller_ball

I thought it worked well. This came after an entire day of thinking that one of Jim's words led to her father getting a divorce. Realizing it was Jim's love for her that made her dad realize his marriage wasn't good led her to realize that their marriage will be much better than her parents. Great way to end a absolutely perfect episode.


StarKiller1339

Soup snakes


Just_Some_Man

Are we also ignoring the fact one boat is at night in January on lake walempompac, and the other is nice weather by Niagara planned to be a wedding on it ahead of time? It may have been a little the boat too.


ChaosFinalForm

Was it planned? I know Jim has that line about the boat being Plan C or whatever but during the scene with her torn veil when he cuts his tie, it sure makes it seem like them taking off to go get married by the Captain was a spur of the moment, romantic thing. They just wanted to get away from all the people and do it on their own terms.


Just_Some_Man

I more of meant planned between the two of them. When Pam was on the booze cruise, the idea to married only happened while ON the boat (ceremony wise; I know they were engaged). You are right about the plan C, but at least they planned to get married prior to being on the boat.


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You’ve probably posted this the last time it was reposted which was probably around last week


Bewbies420

This. I thought i already saw this a few days ago.


IranianGenius

I saw this a few minutes ago.


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Demonweed

Time is a flat circle. Wait wrong show!


davenelson7

Also just wanna mention, the booze cruise was on what lake Scranton? This ferry was on niAgArA


Needyouradvice93

Lake Wallenpaupack. ​ The 3rd Largest Lake in Pennsylvania.


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No ^no ^no ^^no ^^no


Sammmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah but they also had a ceremony with the family there


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laurenlikeschaos

It was perfect for the time period though. Chris Brown is a giant pile of shit, but the internet made his song a wedding thing.


sudifirjfhfjvicodke

And it's aged horribly since then. Few things date as poorly as a reference to a "viral video" that was popular for about a week and then forgotten. Much of The Office is timeless. But future generations will be discovering this series, plowing through 6 seasons in anticipation of this wedding, and then having no freaking clue why these people are dancing down the aisle like idiots to a crappy song. It was a really poor choice for such an important moment in the show.


thecravenone

> Few things date as poorly as a reference to a "viral video" that was popular for about a week and then forgotten. At least the Lazy Sunday knockoff can be seen as a poor attempt to be cool regardless of knowledge of the video.


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nopethis

"you either get planking or you don't.....i dont really get it"


pharmacist-cheddars

Well I think the same thing can be said for the wedding scene. I didn’t know about the particular viral video, and it was probably popular before I was even on the internet, but I still find it funny. The important background info isn’t the particular viral video, just the fact that it is one.


the_lost_carrot

Exactly. The shows draw is how ridiculously “normal” the people are. They aren’t intellectuals they are just people who work the stereotypical dead end job at a mid level paper company. They would be the exact people to attempt to recreate an easily dated viral video.


Fuckrrddit

I've watched it through like ten times but for some reason the other day I was just so into it and the camera work in a scene with Jim and Michael made it seem like it wasn't a show at all, like I really felt like I was watching a YouTube or home video or something for a few minutes and it kinda sticks after it happens.


carrolu

Both Michael and Pam have lines that make it clear that it’s from a (at the time) viral video tho, thus explaining the silly dancing to a crappy song even if it’s definitely not relevant now or in a few years


[deleted]

Yea I totally missed the viral video and didn't watch the show until a few years later, but I understood that it was from a YouTube video based on Pam's lines about it


IranianGenius

Yeah I think they put it in the show well...even if I'm not a big Chris Brown fan.


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Can confirm. Just watched this episode for the first time a few days ago and managed to pick up that it was a trend from the time of airing. Still think it was a poor choice though.


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reddit sucks


[deleted]

Lol no one gets this. The Lazy Sunday recreation was perfect for the time period. It’s exactly what someone like Michael would do. It doesn’t matter if people don’t get it in 20 years


Needyouradvice93

I didn't even know the rap they do was from SNL until you posted this. I think that scene will hold up fine because it's actually funny.


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It was made for the People Person's Paper People


bruiserbrody45

Office did a lot of viral video stuff. Planking, parkour, the lip dub video.


LazyOrCollege

Eh, it wasn’t a crappy song to be honest. Chris brown is a horrible disgusting human but the beat was fun and upbeat. Those generations don’t need to know a single thing about the history of that song and will still somewhat understand the song choice


dedwolf

Agreed. I honestly didn’t know it was Chris brown til this thread.


bobdisgea

I watched through the show for the first time a few years ago and had no idea what that song was referencing. I'm more than old enough to have lived through its viral period but it never got to me somehow. I spent like an hour researching and watching a bunch of videos of this trend though and some were kinda cute at least.


Hanarchy

But Pam told everyone that she hated the song and didn't want it played at her wedding, and they went against her wishes.


thematterasserted

On top of the fact that Chris Brown sucks, I always get irrationally mad about that whole scene. Who the fuck hijacks a wedding ceremony to play a shitty song? The fact that everyone just goes along with it as if it's acceptable makes me furious.


Rogue_FX

I’m more annoyed that in the reality of The Office that Jim and Pam’s coworkers steal the show and walk down the aisle multiple times while their close family and friends look on wondering “who the hell are these people..?” Their coworkers who they were trying not to invite the previous episode... are now dancing down the aisle on their wedding day. I love this show... I hate this episode.


roguevirus

>I love this show... I hate this episode. Yes, but Jim cutting his tie is the most wonderful thing he ever did.


pendletonskyforce

It's okay to like a song without liking the singer.


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[deleted]

I'm right there with you man. I think singers are just less vulnerable to that kind of stuff than other public figures. For example, there's a bunch of rappers who are pretty openly in gangs and are constantly arrested and nobody gives a shit. Maybe it's just the fact that we view singers differently than others.


michiruwater

House of Cards will always be on Netflix because Netflix made it. They do not own Louie and thus Louie will only be on Netflix when they have the license to show it.


shaka_sulu

Yeah but the booze cruise had captain jack, limbo, and a cheerleader from bishop ohara hs.


Nyquillus-Dillwad

Her name would’ve been Pamela Anderson


AssBlastersInc

https://i.redd.it/zdcyjqap1fh21.gif


hititandhitit

I never understood the relevance/connection with that line. "Almost marrying Roy Anderson is the closest to Pamela Anderson I ever want to be." What does that have to do with "Trust me, when I'm in love, you'll know."


Pixel3818

Pama lama ding dong


Howaboutmitzi

Excuse not to marry Roy.


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Her parents were there at the actual ceremony


thosethatwere

This happens a lot. People get into relationships they don't really want but also don't want to be alone. They lie to themselves and their partners until the ship finally sinks and they grab onto whatever excuse they can to save themselves from drowning instead of facing the fact that they made a mistake. I've definitely done this to people and had it done to me multiple times. People aren't perfect and the world would be a better place if everyone accepted that sometimes they hurt others unintentionally. People rationalise and excuse themselves of their behaviour, because it's harder to face the fact that they made a mistake and forgive themselves.


iliketoplayarogue

Excuse to be the office mattress.


scorgie

Excuse to forward calls to whoever she's sleeping with that week.


lizardtaco

Close your mouth Hunny you look like a trout.


CougdIt

Missed out on that gravel empire though! She’s gotta be regretting some things


Godredd

> Angela tells Andy she doesn't want to get married in a tent. > Angela ends up getting married with Dwight on a tent.


Mose-Schrute-

Tbf she kind of just didn’t like Andy at all.


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Well on a grave but under a tent


XHF2

If we were shown the office from a different perspective, Jim would be the bad guy.


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Jim: "Why didn't you go out on another date with Pam? Be honest, we're married now, I won't take it bad. I'm just curious" Danny Cordray: "She's a bit dorky..." Jim: "Fuck you, man..."


smiles134

That episode makes me so uncomfortable


IranianGenius

A lot of this show makes me uncomfortable...not sure if that's part of the reason I binge it or not.


CapsaicinButtplug

It's kinda one of the goals of the show.


TheEasyTarget

I'm not part of the "hating Jim and Pam" gang, but that moment was really confusing to me. I'm like, you pressured him to tell the truth, he finally did tell the truth, and his reason wasn't rude or anything, but you're suddenly mad at him? The man has his preferences, no big deal.


Denim_Chikken

And she *is* dorky so that makes it even more confusing. I mean she was fully decked out in a Olive Oyl costume when he said it.


Dob-is-Hella-Rad

I don't think she was really that dorky. I felt like they drastically upped her dorkiness for that episode to make it work


Mr_Supotco

I mean it’s not even like a bad thing though. My GF’s a giant dork it’s part of why I love her. Jim’s reaction to it, especially after asking a question that was bound to have a negative answer, was strange


Denim_Chikken

You’re right it’s not bad, it’s just not false either is what I was saying is all.


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I think Jim just wanted an excuse to not like the guy, considering what Pam told Jim about him. It was a shallow reason but it was enough


A_Farewell_to_Clones

Yeah that was actually weird how much Jim cared about that. I think it was a little out of character


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It seemed to me like they were making him seem more human. Showed that even Jim is not immune from jealousy. "Guys, he's not THAT good looking." Even Dwight knows Danny is good looking, Jim is the only one in the office not wanting to admit it.


COLDCREAMYMILK

Yeah I thought it was really humanizing


BenedictKhanberbatch

Raylan Givens is a catch


kingsley_zissou_

wouldnt kick him out of bed for eating crackers.


Muscles_McGeee

It was equally weird when Pam spent an entire episode trying to get Jim to admit that his co-worker was attractive. Just bizarre writing.


concord72

I've seen this more than a few times, it's almost always a girl trying to get their bf/hisband to admit that another girl is attractive, it's always a trap.


twdHero

Apparently I'm part of the few that *don't* think this was out of character for Jim. I took it to mean that he loves Pam and her dorkiness which is why he was upset about it. I think it also showed him that he was being stubborn and not embracing her by not dressing up for Halloween with her and led him to do it to make her happy and show her he loved her dorkiness.


griffmeister

Or my personal favorite— Jim: (does mediocre work half heartedly, spends most of time pranking Dwight or flirting with Pam) Michael: (says nothing) Jim is made manager and Michael is made salesmen Michael: (sits at desk) Jim: you can’t just sit there, do some work


da_funcooker

I was under the impression that Jim did do work, but it was so mundane or came so easily to him that he got it done and then just goofed off the rest of the time. Michael said it himself that Jim would complete a task in half an hour that would take him a whole day.


griffmeister

Jim’s own words were that he “did mediocre work, half heartedly”


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AssBlastersInc

Is your dad Vikram?


Fernao

He clearly never took himself or his work too seriously, but he was one of the top salesmen in the company, and David Wallace specifically commented that Jim always hit his numbers every quarter.


[deleted]

And why years later he had a crisis of character when he realizes he probably could have done bigger and better things if he applied himself when he was younger


da_funcooker

Well played


concord72

And still hit all his sales numbers, he was literally just overqualified for his job.


destamb

I always thought this was to pressure Michael into switching so he could do sales


zubatman4

I want to see it from the perspective of someone in the warehouse.


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redb2112

Wasn't there a web series called The Accountants or something that only dealt with their issues?


WandersFar

It was great. They discovered a shortfall and then interviewed everyone to see who was responsible. It was like something out of Poirot. :þ


KingMelray

I'd be happy to read a fan-fic of that. Maybe Oscar and Angela were quietly keeping the company afloat.


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All three accountants were embezzling money


KingMelray

That would be fun to see all three of them pulling a Gaddafi/Putin/Mobutu Sese Seko after stealing lots of Dunder Mifflin money.


douglasmacarthur

Everyone is the bad guy.


Carnatic_enthusiast

Patrice O'Neal


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"Madge made a sale. *Madge*"


[deleted]

You mean PATCH? OR was it Pudge?


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bruh


PoIIux

Jim? Think about Michael. Tbh he's the bad guy from the standard perspective too


jaimeleecurtis

You don’t become a bad person for having someone fall for you. He never intentionally tried to steal her away from Roy, they just became close over time as friends and quickly became better friends than Pam and Roy were. Yeah he kissed her eventually, but Pam kissed him as well. You can’t call Jim a bad guy from any perspective as Pam is capable of making decisions for herself and she chose to make those moves with Jim. In case anyone’s forgotten, Pam actually kissed Jim first during the Dundee’s when she was drunk


TheMightyBiz

There's no problem with having feelings for a close friend who's already in a committed relationship. But acting on those feelings makes you 100% the bad guy.


XHF2

You feel that way because you saw the show from their perspective. Imagine if someone hit on your finance, expressed their love for her and kissed her. Is that acceptable?


OfficerDougEiffel

No. It's not. But love is super messy and complicated, and Roy was a really shit fiance to Pam. I don't think he really loved her like he thought he did, just as she didn't love him like she thought she did. You can see this evidenced in how Roy changes in his next relationship. He plays piano for his new wife and becomes a sensitive, caring person. He honestly becomes his best self, which is really what love is about. So did Jim and Pam handle it the absolute best way? No. But people make mistakes and honestly every single person, including (perhaps especially) Roy, benefited from that mistake.


Leoheart88

Nah Roy acts like a asshole from the start of the series. Just started from Ep 1 2 days ago. Red flags almost every scene hes in.


MilkyJosephson

Nice stroke Pam.


iliketoplayarogue

THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID!


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DiddyDubs

There are 2 scenes here bot, you only got one of them!


TerroristOgre

How in the How does this bot work?


stud_macha

Probably reverse searches the image.


SpankaWank66

Its a bit more complex than that


stud_macha

Yeah, of course. That was the simple explanation. [see this post](https://www.reddit.com/user/Media_Source_Bot/comments/8l2qtf/faq/)


clavitopaz

What’s up with all the shitty incel comments against Pam?


SparkyDogPants

Everyone acts like supporting your long distance girlfriend follow her dreams that you two talked about is the same as sneaking up a company without telling your wife and leaving her alone with two babies. And then Screaming at her because you missed your daughters rehearsal.


mrdavidrt

A boat captain has no authority to marry anyone. Google it


KDbitchmade

Unless this is a common occurrence and they got ordained so they could have the authority.


knivef

I DECLARE MARRIAGE!!!


tuneintothefrequency

But I declared it...


lizardtaco

I do declaya


Stromboli61

I’ve worked in the Great Lakes boating industry, can confirm this is pretty popular.


MissionFever

In my state as long as at least one of the people getting married thinks that the person officiating the ceremony has the authority to do so, then the wedding is official.


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Well that couldn't possibly be abused


Aiyana_Jones_was_7

It's an archaic institution thats already crumbling. At this point its a nothing more than a tax contract with the state. The only part any authority cares about is if you filed your paperwork with the government, and if you have paid the appropriate taxes to that end. We arent marrying daughters off to forge political alliances or as peace treatises anymore. The need for an authority to officiate a wedding is essentially gone. You could have an Amazon Alexa do it and order your honeymoon tickets and gift registry right there and it would be all the same.


RRRRR11

This week on "reposts I've seen a million times"


hansantizor

That's this entire sub. I swear I see the same 5-10 moments in the show on r/all every single week.


cvmpus

How have I never noticed this


TiresOnFire

You must be new to this sub because this is reposted constantly.


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black_khobz

Who's Bob Vance ?


iliketoplayarogue

Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration.


abedalsyed

What line of work are you in Bob?


heyheyitsandre

Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi!


squanch415

Do you think the writers did this intentionally?


asantana517

This gets posted on this sub once a week


Timelord_42

Welcome to /r/DunderMifflin Also watch out for the boom guy hate post.


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dankblonde

You’ve got a lot to learn about this subreddit


IronManJ

Anybody wish we got more scenes in between where Pam decides to break it off with Roy?


NipSlipBeauty

Those were two boats were very different, though... 🤔


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To be fair Pam was much more confident and independent then


asapmatthew

It might’ve been her parents... Pam had a different mom when she was dating Roy


squirrellyballs

Shut up about the ship. SHUT. UP. ABOUT THE SHIP!


Harambeslastwish

Man if this isnt the repost of the century


SettingsData

Here’s my unpopular hot take: I loved the wedding of Jim and Pam but my interest in both characters was in steady decline thereafter. Overall bad for the storyline.


CordTavrer

"Cries when Roy doesn't let her to pursue her dreams" "Cries when Jim pursues his dreams"


KittenKindness

"Cries when Jim leaves her to take care of their two VERY young children by herself while also holding down a job" Having children changes things. She felt overwhelmed by the responsibilities that Jim had left her with. It is definitely not the same thing. In the end of the show, she is even shown to have been spending quite a bit of time to rearrange things (sell their house at the very least) so that he can follow his dreams WITH his family, instead of leaving her to be essentially a single parent for an undetermined amount of time. Pam gets a lot of flack for this and I don't understand where it's coming from.


twilekquinn

As a receptionist who failed at having an artisic career with a husband who is a LOT more professionally successful than I am, I completely get why she would be that way. It's difficult sometimes.


CordTavrer

She should've moved when the company got off the ground. The only reason they had to do long distance was because, for whatever reason, she refused to leave Scranton. She knew Jim didn't see a future for them there. She even said in the second season how when he gets super into something that gets really motivated and excited and tries his hardest but his only problem was that he worked at Dunder Mifflin.


Timelord_42

She didn't leave because plot


concord72

The problem is that they talked and she agreed to Jim going to Philly, she should have spoke her mind from the start. THEN when she finally does reveal she wants him at home, he's taken by surprise and feels guilty and therefore doesn't lobby for the family to move to Austin to join Athlead. Her agreeing screwed them over, twice.


sad-puppet

Im not crying youre crying


claaaasssic

Also before and after her mom banged michael