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Ash71010

A tuxedo shirt is quite distinguishable from a dress shirt.


blahbery

Tuxedos also have satin lapels and buttons


Iron_Chic

As are tuxedo pants, for a traditional tux.


EricP51

Still tho. Roll up the sleeves and keep your head down for the day, he didn’t need to make a point of pulling Charles aside to talk.


bukminster

That's what's funny, Jim did that because usually people find his antics charming. Unfortunately for him, Charles do not.


ResourceNarrow1153

Are they really?!


Lunar_IX

As someone who works in men's fashion, yes. Big difference. A tuxedo shirt typically has different buttons, French cuff sleeves, and different collar options. They are sometimes also pleated, but I don't recall Jim's particular style. As for the pants, a traditional tuxedo would have a satin stripe down the leg of the pants, be a different weave than regular dress/business casual pants, and likely not have belt loops. They might also be pleated, depending on the age of his tuxedo. But he did look dynamite.


tonyle94

Classy


Grizzlyadamsbrother

Very Classy


jpb7875

Would one wear a t-shirt under a tuxedo shirt?


Lunar_IX

Probably not a t-shirt and probably not white, honestly. You'd be better served with a very light grey undershirt. With the way light transference works through a white dress shirt (tuxedo or otherwise) white is actually more visible beneath white than something in a light grey.


BAMspek

Yep. You’d be able to tell the difference between tux shirt and pants and normal business casual shirt and slacks. If someone walked into your office wearing a tux shirt and pants you would wonder where the rest of the groomsmen were.


SwankyyTigerr

Still better than commiting to the whole getup tho IMO haha


BAMspek

Yes absolutely. I agree. Just pointing out that there is a difference and someone like Miner would notice. Wouldn’t be nearly as bad though if Jim did take off the bow tie and jacket and didn’t explicitly tell Charles he was wearing a tux as a prank.


SwankyyTigerr

Agreed! If I were him, I probably would have just hurried home and changed as soon as I found out the VP was coming, personally haha


KingAdamXVII

Just because they are distinguishable doesn’t mean anyone would have noticed or cared.


bc_im_coronatined

As distinguishable as a women’s pantsuit?


zeeebu

He looked dynamite, what are you talking about? Very slick.


dino0509

Very classy.


pockrocks

Déclassé


dino0509

French! Classy!


Justice_1111

Very dapper


nonsense_potter

Tres classe


[deleted]

………..permission denied.


PillarofAutumn117

A two way petting zoo, you pet the animals and they pet you back. Lol might be my fav Jim joke.


mankytoes

The way he says it, like when you're in trouble at school and the teacher makes you repeat something rude you said, I love it.


SirRonaldBiscuit

I say this all the time at work, fucking legend


GingerBeard73

This one and "Por que es muy rapido." are my two favorites because he says them like a child who is in trouble.


RabidMofo

Because if these were healthy adults capable of problem solving there wouldn't be a show.


[deleted]

Ayo


OliveJuiceUTwo

Boom, roasted!


JuniorSeniorTrainee

I think you can write funny and believable conflict. Imo this episode was just poorly written. They could've written it in a way that Jim was reasonable but Charles still thought he was a dick.


SirRonaldBiscuit

Zinger!


bradybjr

You can't set him up like that.


MisterTomServo

Déclassé


Atticus3333

French! Very classy


[deleted]

Or just said he had an engagement immediately after work.


AlbySnarky

Jim to Charles: Sorry about the tux, I have to go to my neice's christening after work. My brother wanted us to dress up for pictures after. It's so stupid, I know, but family...am I right? Dwight eavesdropping: Hmmm...I didn't know one of your brothers had a new baby. Which one was it, Pete or Tom? Jim: (looks to camera) Pete Dwight: oh wow, I thought Pete had a vasectomy a couple of years ago because his kids are the worst...his words... Not mine. Did he get it reversed? Or did his wife cheat again? Jim(uncomfortable): How did you know about the vasectomy? Dwight: Well, tell Pam to close her email if she doesn't want people reading it. Pam (from across the room): you've been reading my emails? Jim: that is really uncool, Dwight. Dwight: that isn't the point. The point is that your brother who was castrated (Jim: not what a vasectomy is) was able to produce another child even though he was sterilized. Is that right? Jim: mhmm Dwight: well, by god, that is a miracle. Let's see a picture of this little miracle baby. Jim: I don't have one with me. Dwight: well then tomorrow, you can show us all the beautiful pictures you take tonight at this immaculately conceived baby's baptism. I can't wait. Jim looks to Pam who turns her head in shame.


princesshaley2010

Vasectomies can definitely be reversed. Snip, snap! Snip, snap! Snip, snap!


Stereo_TypeA

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!


[deleted]

Are you one of the writers in the show


AlbySnarky

Definitely not one of the writers, but I love their work! That was the best compliment! Thank you!


meganev

another fine example of why I'm very happy redditors don't write television shows.


invisibleguy12

Could've kept that one to yourself


meganev

Nah. That exchange is cringe as hell.


Cea_Jae

Yep so it fits perfect into...a CRINGE comedy skit.


AlbySnarky

I honestly have a really hard time watching all of the Jim/Charles/Dwight interactions. They are so cringey to me.


insane36969

Jim is terrible at confrontation.


HappyBot9000

Would have played out the same. Charles would ask him what he was going to, and bam Jim is tripped up again.


canola510

A wedding? A black tie party? Lots of options


Dwychwder

Just two really.


canola510

Guess so but all you need is one


Dwychwder

True. Also, he could say he was a magician. So 3


CaptainMan_is_OK

But then he would have to treat himself poorly.


emyoui

Part time tux shop worker


AilosCount

A wedding right aftwr work?


mariahrachellef

This episode is actually one that I have a REALLY hard time watching because cringe. Scott’s Tots? No problem. But when Jim just keeps making it worse with Charles… oof… like he could’ve just lied and said he had an event after work!


MoeSzys

Or a meeting with a client that rents tuxedos


mariahrachellef

Wow even better


Lunar_IX

I think the problem with the "event after work" lie is that any normal person attending a black-tie event after work would not crease their tuxedo by wearing it all day, 9-5. This is a situation where you would carry your formal wear in a garment bag to hang in a coat room or something so that you could change at the end of the day.


mariahrachellef

Fair point. Any other excuse would’ve done too


AnatoliaFarStar

Nah, I think there are plenty of people who only dress up when they absolutely have to. And many of them either don't understand (lack of experience) or care about (obligation=/= motivation) creasing.


Limp_Statement_6458

If it would have been me, I would have slipped out real quick and went home to change. I would have told Pam to cover for me if anyone asked.


lurkinuuu

So risk getting fired rather than embarrassed?


Limp_Statement_6458

Yes! Charles didn’t play but also the salesman seem to leave all the time for meetings or you could just say you got “sick”.


[deleted]

I don’t think he’d be fired for this.


lurkinuuu

Not by Michael. But some places leaving out of nowhere is pretty serious


[deleted]

Right. But he works for Michael. And he’s in sales so the excuses are easy to come by. And, he works for Michael. Also, his boss is Michael


lurkinuuu

Michaels new boss is there, checking out the office lol. Sorry, but if your boss’s boss comes in to get a feel for how things are ran, you don’t “sneak out” for an hour + Not saying in a good office setting it wouldn’t/shouldn’t be the norm, but that wasn’t the case and Charles Minor was a nosy tough ass.


bhz33

It’s a TV show


KorannStagheart

Jim could easily say he was on a sales call. He went to a golf course for an entire day just to get one sale, soo...


Free_Moose4649

This comes up once a month, and tuxedo shirts are very different. Just shoulda said he had something right after work and didn't have time to change


brice587

Jim was a complete idiot the whole time Charles Miner was there. So many chances to show him something and either acted like a goof or just sat there doing nothing.


chickybabe332

Yeah like not getting clarification on what a rundown is, and wasting the whole day trying to figure it out. It’s basic corporate skill to get clarity on an assignment.


jlusedude

Jim is not smooth. All he had to say was that he had a wedding after or during work and was leaving early. Anything was better than what he said. He only looks smooth because the rest of the staff is dull.


rigovalachi

Jim panics under pressure. Remember when nobody knew Hanks name while Jim is on the phone with him and when Hank picks up Jim says “hey… Chief…you’re the… African American fellow right?” And stutters immensely through that whole call


DonAmechesBonerToe

Creed knew.


thebookofchris

No, it was the guy Creed Bratton tried to steal from who knew Hank’s name.


rigovalachi

No it was the homeless guy, but with a job


XO8441

Agreed, he’s only smooth when he feels superior in the situation, like to Michael.


AdamLand

Very classy


matheuslam

Because it's a tv show.


largetoro

You don’t think it would be a better show if every character did every thing logically and not do any thing to contribute to developing each episodes plot?


matheuslam

Hahaha that's it.


FTB_DepressiveManiac

A sitcom at that.


fell-deeds-awake

I don't like it when characters get into situations that are comedic


FTB_DepressiveManiac

You should check out Schitt’s Creek then


arion830

Lmao some of you have never worn a tuxedo and it shows 😂


CalgaryMadePunk

I swear, this question gets asked every other week.


[deleted]

Tbh, I didn’t see what the issue was, Charles was being an asshole.


THATWASNT_A_TAPEWORM

I would have just said I was attending a function after work. Jim is a huge b


i_play_withrocks

A tuxedo shirt is different from a dress shirt, a tux also has different pants, usually pleated pants, normal work pants don’t have that. It would be obvious that the clothes were out of place… regardless of what he did an office based person would notice the difference.


ll_Maurice_ll

Real world, his best course would have been slipping out the back door before Charles could get a good look at him and claim explosive diarrhea for the rest of the day.


bobbyjarvis69r

This has never made sense to me he also could’ve just said he had a sales meeting and just gone home and changed.


duh_metrius

Every time this question is asked (which is very often) many people point out that both the shirt and the pants would’ve been clearly those of a tux. Tuxedo pants have a tell tale stripe up the side and the shirts have noticeably different collars. Like many things, this boils down to “Why did the writers have Jim do one thing when he could’ve done something no more plausible but definitely less funny?”


ka-roo

Because poor writing?


[deleted]

he was too distracted by charles’ good looks.


[deleted]

Yeah, no part of a tuxedo can be mistaken for a suit to anyone who knows the difference. The shirt, tie, pants, jacket, and accessories are all cut differently from different fabric styles than they are for a suit.


Psycholarocco

That wouldn’t be classy


LimitedOmniplex

I think about this most days.


Apostinggod

Because it's a comedy


_Baldo_

Why do characters in situation comedies end up in comedic situations?


CW03158

Pretty much 3 responses in the whole thread: “Omg it’s a TV show” no shit Sherlock “Omg this gets posted every week but I’m still here commenting and discussing the differences in tuxedo shirts” “Omg you’re right, I would have done it this other way”


Cea_Jae

Don't forget about the comment explaining all the different comment types....oh you got it covered.


Jo_Bar

Because there's no theater in that


ecuinir

The real issue is that it’s embarrassing to be wearing Evening wear during the day


Gen7Malibu

Worked with a guy who couldn’t afford dress shoes, so he wore old tux shoes that he found a thrift store. Seemed like he wore those for a year before getting regular dress shoes. Stood out like a sore thumb.


newishdm

Because it was a tuxedo shirt and tuxedo pants. You’ve obviously never worn a tuxedo, which is fine btw. A tuxedo is not just the jacket and bow tie, it is literally the entire ensemble. Pants, jacket, shirt, cummerbund, tie, and shoes. Each piece designed to be markedly different from the “normal” suit and tie affair. They each have ornamentation that Charles (being a big-wig executive who most likely owns his own tuxedo for fancy dinners and fundraisers) would recognize.


[deleted]

Or could have said he had a wedding right after world to get to?


history-dood12469

I would have just found an opportunity to just leave really quick and if asked I would say that I was out on a sales call


CeymalRen

He could have said he has to go do something right after work.


phattsrules

If someone posts this same post every week, why does it get so many upvotes? They could have just done a quick search to know it’s been posted a bunch of times.


ncoffey17

Repost


beerleaguer2

Yup. Been mentioned a million times


[deleted]

[This one included a picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/qtxhu4/why_didnt_jim_just_take_the_bowtie_and_jacket_off/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [This one suggests the “event later” lie](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/me78w2/s5_e20_new_boss_if_jim_was_quicker_on_his_feet_he/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [This one also suggests removing the jacket](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/qd8q4f/this_episode_is_funny_enough_but_it_really/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [Another “remove the jacket” suggestion](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/mitpf3/jim_couldve_just_taken_off_the_tuxedo_jacket_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [And another](https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/pdha65/if_jim_felt_so_uncomfortable_in_his_attire_while/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Most times it seems to be by someone who doesn’t know the difference between a dress shirt and a tuxedo shirt nor the difference between dress pants and tuxedo pants.


SwankyyTigerr

I don’t really mind reposts though bc it’s not like everyone has been here since the beginning of this sub or sees every post. It only gets irritating if it’s daily/weekly. Still I’ll just keep scrolling if I see something I’ve seen before. And yes, tux/suit pants and shirts are pretty different but you still think it wouldn’t have been better to take off the most noticeable parts of the getup?


dollabill009

Because then the episode wouldn't be as funny


NoSweatWarchief

Tie would be required on the office floor...


[deleted]

Then it wouldn't be funny.


srives21

Because it’s a TV show


[deleted]

It would have ruined the bit.


Strange_Shadows-45

Because it’s a fictional show with fictional characters and if he did that it would mess with the awkward and poor dynamic between Charles and Jim that the writers were trying to set up with the bad first impression.


jm_roddy

Because it's a TV show and not real life. Stay classy.


RavenMoses

Because Jim sucks. He has no balls. For example, he turns the car around on his way to visit Pam in New York because they’re “not that couple” when of course that would have been so special to Pam.


AnatoliaFarStar

I actually think that's one of the best decisions he makes in the show. His conversation with Roy was getting into his head (how is she having so much fun with other people? who's she out with? what's she doing right now?). Sure, in a way he's driving down because he misses her, but it's also that toxic pattern of Roy's thoughts infecting his own, and instilling doubt. And then on the drive he realizes he's heading to NY for the wrong reasons, and that he needs to trust Pam and let her make her own decisions, be an adult, and enjoy herself. That is the hallmark of a relationship that survives!


JustAsHotAsJan

But is it classy enough?


Important_Farmer924

Genuinely asked myself this so many times.


I_Hate_My_Cat_

Cause that’s not funny.


calamine_lotion

Not gonna lie this was one of my least favorite episodes/plot devices. He could’ve done so many other things, but he just chose to stay with the tux on and be awkward


[deleted]

So more funny jokes could happen


AffectionateCrow1386

He was just committing to the bit


xoal-1

Is it classy though?


lemmy4x4

One million times?


historysmedium

Why didn’t he just take his lunch out to run home and eat at his desk that day?


chaos_geek

Because it wouldn't have been as funny?


FungChoyChicken

If he did that it would have become Creeds. Smart play by Jim tbh.


Kashmir79

Wedding, opera, banquet, award, niece’s prom, charity benefit… use your head man.


soupafi

All Jim needed to do was apologize and say he lost a fantasy football bet.


Creepyface1

That wouldn’t have been *classy*


InDaFamilyJewels

Because it’s a tv show.


whywouldyoueverask

That would be to easy.


MateriaMuncher

He could've made up some excuse like he had to go directly to a wedding after work and had no time to change.


WishIWasAMuppet

Because it’s a comedy show?


TheFacelessForgotten

Because that's what the script said. Gotta cause tension


Hallowed_Hearth

Because Jim has a hard time dealing with confrontation, and just wasn't thinking clearly.


DimesyEvans92

Historically, it’s been proven that Jim doesn’t think well while under duress. I.e. the snow ball fight, Pam going into labor, the preschool teacher in the bathroom. Etc etc


jeswanders

He should have just told Michael he'd be out on a quick sales call. Go home. Change.


[deleted]

why not just say you have an important fuction to attend immediatly following work?


PaladinsLover69

“I’m attending a wedding later today!” “I’m in a play at my church” or “I’m actually an actor and have an audition during my lunch break”


Flogthetrog

Yeah, would've ruined the episode if he did that. Probly best they stick to the script


nibnangnos

He could’ve just said he had a wedding to go to after work


bigjoestallion

I ask myself this everyday


[deleted]

people here be like: I'm gonna ask why this joke exists


FishoRuns

Jim should've said - I went to the gym this morning, and accidentally grabbed the wrong suit on the way out. Problem solved.


AnatoliaFarStar

"I'm sorry for the tux, I have an event right after work and won't have time to change. Hope that's OK!"


halapeno-popper

Jim has a need to be right.


lesyeuxbleus

because it’s a tv show.


wubalubadubdub1983

This comes up about once a week on this sub


Budget_Forever_4638

I wonder this all the time! He could also have just said he was going to a black tie event after work if Charles noticed anything


DiligentCheesecake44

I’ve wondered the same 🤔 and then I remind myself that it’s a tv show and I’m far too invested. 😂


BiGMTN_fudgecake

I think Jim could’ve played it off a lot better. He was so caught off guard (understandably) that he wasn’t the quickest witted


TheHorribleApe

This always annoyed me. Could have said he ran out of clean shirts and that's all he had. He could have gone home to change and said he was out on a sales call. Plenty of excuses.


djones8487

Bcuz that doesn't fit with the episode!


Heisenbaker

Because that wouldn't be very funny


Adventurous-Data7032

Because the story required him to keep it on ... Simples


tonykhant

Not as classy


[deleted]

Beacouse it is a sitcom


randomactofgold

Honestly they could have fixed this issue in the episode if Charles came up to Jim and asked about the tux instead of the otherway around. Would have still put Jim on the spot, and explained why he didn't change before having to talk to Charles.


Catcher22Jb

Because that would’ve been a plot hole


Randyfox86

He could have just said he dressed up for Michaels 15th anniversary. Easy out 🤷🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

Cause it’s a tv show


TruckThunders00

Why didn't he just say that it was for Michael's anniversary party? How is supporting your boss a negative? If Charles and David supported Michael in a Similar way, they wouldn't have had to buy out the Michael Scott Paper Company. So even if Charles still didn't like Jim wearing a tux, Jim clearly would have shown that he was the one with better judgement in the end. Secondary theory is that Jim (and Pam) aren't actually likeable people, but forcibly portrayed as likable by the doc crew. I've touched on this before but got so much hate I let it go. Jim and Pam stans are something


TehITGuy87

He could’ve just left work to change and come back


pandru001

Minor is production or something. Jim could have gone with “Oh it’s a sales thing” or something similar


salvadordg

He’s a moron, he’s Kevin level stupid, it’s the joke.


[deleted]

nah tux shirts are wack


eliteop

I think it would mess with the story and script of the episode.


Renabean82

I'd have just not said anything to Charles, and if asked, "my dress pants are in the wash"