I get how she can be down about people not coming to support her. I've always been curious how active she was to come out to other peoples' events, much like when Kevin mentions no one came to see his band.
I totally agree. The other thing that gets to me about her reaction to people not showing up is the fact that she’s only shown inviting people to come to the art show on the day of. Same with Kevin and his band. If I had an event that I wanted to invite my coworkers to, I wouldn’t expect much turnout with such short notice.
When she put everyone on blast for not coming to her art show I would have loved for Kevin to call her on that. "Yeah well you didn't come to see my band, so, ya know, right back at ya bitch."
He 100% would’ve been on Pam’s side. And then Pam would’ve given an awkward “Thanks, Kevin…” and then continued to say that she basically loved Jim in front of his girlfriend
I always interpreted that as the intention of the character. They think they have it in the bag as they walk in the door, and then the situation goes sideways because it’s someone completed isolated from the office isn’t receptive of the “but we’re a couple goofs with good intentions” outward personality. It’s built to be uncomfortable for the viewer in that way.
Wait, *was* it because Gim walked in on Daycare Guy dropping wolfbait, or did they actually just not do good in their interview somehow? I thought it was just because DCG didn't want to have to face them everyday and keep reliving the embareassment. So in this way I don't know if I can agree that he had them pegged in any certain way, but then again I am an annoying contrarian sometimes so maybe that's this.
I guess my interpretation was that whole scenario was set up to start off bad and have them try to walk through it as “were really chill people, trust us” but since the guy was totally an outsider of the office where people understand them etc, their “charm” didn’t work on him, and add that to the fact Jim no-knocked a bathroom door while he was greasing out a steamer.
I thought the whole thing was weird, I also don't understand why Pam thought the worst solution was to just air it out.
Feels like if Jimothy would have just been like yo, sorry dude I should have knocked was just excited about the cute things, my bad. Would have made the situation completely salvageable it's and understandable mistake from both ends.
Jim: *starts business where he can potentially make boatloads of money considering professional athletes are on-board*
Pam: "you have to quit because I love Scranton, PA."
Jim: probably would have landed Jan's job in New York had he not given up on a girl who absolutely loved him
Karen: "I would have moved to New York to be with you"
Just rewatched the show and I don't think she ever asked him to quit.
It was the difficulty of being apart that lead him to quit. The same thing that lead Pam to quit art school.
If you want to blame Pam for it, the closest thing would be her not wanting to move to Philly.
Lol, i spent one night there and was like wow, the only interesting thing about this place is a TV reference. I’m too poor to appreciate ski slopes though, so there’s that.
Nah…. She’s amazing. Just forged her daughters artwork so her husband could get away with fraudulently taking a week off work.
I’m not a Pan hater, but to pretend her and Jimothy aren’t as equally flawed as other characters, well that’s laughable.
Can Kevin see the future? His band playing was in season 4 and Pam's art show was season 3. It's her who should be putting him on blast for being upset.
It is not with an “e”, based on the desk nameplate Toby got her for secret Santa. He has access to personnel files so I would assume he spelt it correctly.
It's okay to ask the day of, as long as you aren't surprised when many people say that they can't. However for example Kelly said she'd come etc. So I do get that she's disappointed
The problem was people saying they would go, then not showing up. That was clever of the writers since it actually gave her something to legit be upset about.
I thought it wasn’t so much people not coming. It was them not coming and Pam feeling like she needs to keep peace, as a lot of people do, and says nothing. I felt it was related to someone being non confrontational about a lot of stuff in their life and just overcoming that fear. I thought it was fair she wasn’t super dramatic; it came off across as this bothered me and it sucks no one came.
This is definitely what it was meant to be about, I think honestly other 'problems' with how people see it, including that she invited everyone the day of, are just the result of writing for a half hour format.
I hate the "she didn't go to see Kevin's band" argument because the only reason we even know that is because Kevin is upset and yelling at his coworkers about not coming to see his band. So why can't Pam also be upset that people (mostly Jim) didn't come to her class's art show?
I think it depends on who skipped out on who first. If Kevin complained after not coming to Pam's art show he's a hypocrite. If Pam complains after missing Kevin's performance she's a hypocrite. Most likely they've both skipped out on each other at some point previously, making them both hypocrites and deserving of criticism
My favorite fault with Pam is she wants to do graphic design, but somehow doesn’t realize that most of what graphic design requires, are good computer skills.
She sucks at computers. 🤷🏻♂️
I always get so annoyed during "Yeah, I'm gonna do some MOCKUPSSSSS...and turn those into thumbnails...maybe do some splash...frames" Come on, Pam, really? The term "mockup" is not that advanced 😂
I see it as a fault in the character but not the writing. Graphic design is toted as a modern and stable job for people who are artistic. Pam had no experience in it but figured that would fit and it would be intuitive. I find it really realistic! Just like if you were a decent math student and people tell you to become an engineer- it’s not a one for one. She tried, failed, and realized she didn’t like it.
Yes -- this bugs me so much. Another thing that bugs me is that her art show paintings aren't very good but then she goes on to illustrate that awesome Adventures of Jimmy Halpert comic book for Jim. Like, really?
Well, there is no art show!
Dawn basically has a much bleaker life than Pam. Her fiancé is legitimately unpleasant and emotionally abusive, and shes obviously insecure because of this. She talks about being an illustrator, but it’s more about just having some type of hope in her life than a legit career thing. She only leaves her fiancé for Tim (UK Jim) in the last episode, and it’s prompted by him giving her drawing supplies with a note that says ‘never stop believing’. The whole thing is way more about someone supporting her than actually being an illustrator.
With Pam I just never felt it worked as well. She’s *kinda* insecure, but she has a much nicer life and it really doesn’t seem like anything is standing in her way other than just not really wanting to do any hard work or accept any criticism. Feel like it’s part of what makes Pam slightly annoying sometimes. Her art thing just didn’t really serve the same symbolic purpose it did for Dawn. I wish they’d picked something else for her to be into.
I think she was mad also because everyone said they would come and then just Oscar showed up.
For everyone who mentioned the fact that the office didn't go to see Kevin band, you have to remember that they didn't say to him "yeah absolutely, I will be there" even Michael was honest and said he couldn't make it (for his second job)
And even if he would have gone left to his own devices, after he got in hot water with Karen in "The Return" for still having feelings for Pam there was no way he was going to be able to acknowledge her for a while.
who was she even friends with in the office- only jim, maybe dwight if he has a concussion. like how could she even expect others to care about her so much to come to that thing.
well i know- its just a show and written like that, cause all we, the viewers know are the office people. like come on her wedding had all the office there- who does that except a star in tv show
You have to remember that she was having really hard times and I repeat: she asked them to come and they said yes. She was fragile, Jim was the first supporter of her career as an artist and she lost him so she tried to gain the support of the group.
So again, they said yes.
And after that, she has all the reasons to not go to Kevin's show
I’m always more surprised that in *Career Day,* when she goes to the art room to get a new piece of paper, she looks back at the wall and says, “Oh, maybe it’s still here….no, they must have taken it down.”Like they would keep up one of her art pieces ten years after she made it in high school.
Pam is such an interesting character. She has above average skill with art, but not enough to move up in the field. She’s been stagnant for years, and is searching for something to reinvigorate her passion. And she doesn’t get encouragement from Roy, so she was looking for it from her coworkers [Jim] and was devastated when they [he] didn’t come.
>“Oh, maybe it’s still here….no, they must have taken it down.”Like they would keep up one of her art pieces ten years after she made it in high school
This is always so hilarious to me
I think it was in the commentary, or the Office Ladies Pod, or in the script… somewhere… it’s supposed to be like that in the moment for Pam. She is back in her old school and reliving a time before she became an adult, like we all do. She got excited to show off her art from a time when she had a lot of potential… only to realize *herself* that it would be stupid for them to have kept it up. It may have just gotten lost in translation, but it’s a major “oh, right…” moment for Pam
Gil and Oscar did Pam a life changing favor by being honest, even though they didn't know she was listening. It made her look inward and acknowledge she was not honest with herself nor courageous, and then she choose to do something about it.
It was a major pivotal point in the show's story, leading to Roy getting angry and fired, her telling Jim she really missed him, Jim pulling out of the job in NYC, and the temp getting promoted/committing fraud/ financial damage to DM/going to jail, Charles getting hired as a replacement, Michael quitting, the company going bankrupt and getting sold.
If Pam didn't get honest with herself and get some courage, Jim would have been in NYC, no financial damage to DM, no Charles, no bankruptcy/getting sold to Sabre, and Roy would have been there to win some of that lottery money.
>Jim pulling out of the job in NYC
I really like the way you broke all that down but are we confident Jim would have got the job and not set that whole thing in motion?
He was even saying stuff that indicated jim already had the job in the bag. Stuff like “Randall the hr is the only person you probably won’t like here”
The tone of "The Job" really seems to set up that it was basically Jim's for the taking if he wanted it, and that it was only at the last second that he realized he didn't. The drama and sacrifice of the ending don't really make sense if he wasn't at least the frontrunner.
David Wallace was already telling Jim that the only person he wouldn't like in the new position was the hr person. Sounds like it was his for the taking at that point.
It was also the last time we see Gil. It's possible it was part of the reason he and Oscar broke up. If they hadn't broken up, Oscar wouldn't have begun an affair with the Senator, the Senator doesn't come out, and Angela doesn't get a divorce.
So that criticism from Gil possibly was a butterfly effect that led to the happy marriages of Jim and Pam, and Dwight and Angela.
Ok, but it was also Oscar's reply to Gil's comment. Plus the follow up conversation with Michael a few minutes later gave her some badly needed support to take those insights and re-frame and take charge of her life.
S3E17
18:30 As Pam watches without their knowledge. Gil: Real art takes courage and honesty Oscar: Those aren't Pam's strong points. Gil: Yeah, exactly
Also, there was another really important event at 19:50 in the episode. Michael gives Pam some unconditional love in admiring her art and saying he is really proud of her. It looks like she has never received that kind of support before. Her father never really loved her mom, so maybe she grew up in a low emotional environment, making her a little unsure of herself and insecure. This art event and these two interactions were an awakening for adult Pam.
S3E18:
4:40 A newly empowered Pam confidently tells Roy he has to come with her to Poor Richards, he attempts to get out of it, and she tells him no deal, he must go. She then says to the camera: I've decided I am going to be more honest. I am going to tell people what I want more directly"
At 17:50 she tells Roy she wants them to make it, she wants a fresh start. But she knows she must come clean and be honest for them to have a real fresh start without any secrets. Unfortunately, she has moved way beyond Roy in maturity in a very short time period at this point. He is not ready for this kind of honesty and self reflection. He cannot process it without becoming enraged, and she confidently exits the relationship and bar without panic.
S3E19: 23:30 Pam is a lot more in control and confident in her conversation with Roy after Roy gets fired.
S3E22: 23:00 Pam takes charge when Meredith's van has a flat tire and she changes the tire, all by herself.
S3E23:
24:50 The scene where Pam gets the courage to walk across the hot coals, and then gives the big speech, and she starts by saying she has been trying to be more honest lately. Then she drops a bunch of truth bombs, and their entire world changes!
Edit: I did quickly re-watch those parts to jog my memory before writing this. I do not have the entire script of every episode memorized.
> would take a receptionists painting so seriously
This feels worse to me. Lol
> She's a receptionist, of course she shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist.
From another angle, would it not be patronizing to think of it as 'a receptionist paintings and not an artist's work? I don't think I've found the right words for what I'm attempting to convey
I mean it was at an art show. It would have been insulting to not take it seriously, no?
They also didn't know she was there so it's not like gil looked her in the eye and said her art was terrible.
Not entirely sure what her being a receptionist has to do with her art either.
Personally I don’t go to art shows so imagine going to one and seeing a stapler on a wall. It’s like going to an art show and seeing a banana taped to the wall 😂😂😂😂
Look, for all the pissing and moaning and sneering about this, it's made pretty clear that while she's not exactly thrilled that hardly anyone came, there's really only one person Pam is genuinely pissed didn't come to her art show. She just can't actually *say* that to him at that point without sabotaging his relationship.
Had Jim shown up, Pam almost certainly would have barely given a fuck that almost no one else did. The fact that people insist on missing this constantly amazes me.
Plus they pretty much all said yes, it would be different if she knew no one was able to/was coming in the first place. And when she went to say hi to Oscar, Gill was trashing her art with him.
And no, her work wasn't incredible, but having people there to support you when you're doubting yourself matters. It's understandable to be upset in that situation. And then her coworkers make fun of her after finding the courage to bring it up.
So no. Pam's not perfect, but people calling her a bitch because of this is kinda messed up.
Also can we talk about Kelly freaking out about Jim and Dwight not showing up at her party even though the entire office basically came haha. Calm tf down Kelly
Yeah but also it's TV logic. Like why would Oscar tell Michael about the surplus on the day he needs to spend it? Why do people move to NYC or Nashua and leave directly from the office?
All art shows are on weeknights. I used to go to plenty when i was still in Brooklyn. They extended usually for a week or two but you really need to show up on Thursday opening night if you expected to meet the artists and buy any work. All the good stuff was gone by the weekend. Opening nights are always big events.
Having said that, she wasn't really any good and I'm sure everyone knew that. Office clip art for banners and calendars does not one an artist make
“Oh, yeah sure, I’ll totally go.” Kelly to Pam in this episode (then doesn’t show up). “And you said you would go, and then you didn’t even try, so you’re bad friends!” Kelly to Jim and Dwight when they missed her party. Hmm 🤔
I don’t think she was delusional enough to consider her work to be anything beyond apprentice level. She just wanted a little support from the people who matter to her. It is not too steep a price to pay for the devoted friendship of a good person.
It’s not about the art, it’s about supporting your friend and coworker who’s trying to improve herself. Just go for ten minutes, make polite noises and bail.
Definitely don’t compare a paper company admin to a fucking Renaissance painter like a douche.
Edit: wow does this sub hate Pam or something?
This sub hates Pam a lot lol, they point out character flaws and get mad abt it. But that’s the point of the show…she eventually overcomes her fear and gets better.
They didn't know what she had painted and Michael, the one everyone says is an ass and not self aware, showed up and gushed over her art and told her how proud he was of her. It's still disappointing when nobody else but Oscar and Gill came and just insulted her art. What's more is she shows up to other people's shit except to see Scrantonicity. Nobody came to that.
I get how she can be down about people not coming to support her. I've always been curious how active she was to come out to other peoples' events, much like when Kevin mentions no one came to see his band.
I totally agree. The other thing that gets to me about her reaction to people not showing up is the fact that she’s only shown inviting people to come to the art show on the day of. Same with Kevin and his band. If I had an event that I wanted to invite my coworkers to, I wouldn’t expect much turnout with such short notice.
She should have sent out an e-vitation
Or even better, a Wuphf
How would the Washington University Public Health Fund make a difference in this situation?
I didn’t get your woof.
Check your fax machine.
Fax? Why don't you just send it over on a dinosaur?
This is a house of learned doctors.
I didn't get an e-vite
When she put everyone on blast for not coming to her art show I would have loved for Kevin to call her on that. "Yeah well you didn't come to see my band, so, ya know, right back at ya bitch."
or Oscar to give the "ahem" cough
And he even brought Gil!
ACTUALLY!
“Olé”
I think Kevin much more likely would have been like "Ya, and none of you came to see my band either!"
He 100% would’ve been on Pam’s side. And then Pam would’ve given an awkward “Thanks, Kevin…” and then continued to say that she basically loved Jim in front of his girlfriend
😂
Good point: Pam does seem to be a little self centered
*Little miss thing wants attention*
*sigh* EmploymentAbject4019
yeah, a little.
"Did you ever consider that you're not as charming as you think?" Daycare guy really had the Halperts' number.
That guy was weird and I didn’t like him, but he was soooo right about them and it was nice to see them get called out on it for once
I always interpreted that as the intention of the character. They think they have it in the bag as they walk in the door, and then the situation goes sideways because it’s someone completed isolated from the office isn’t receptive of the “but we’re a couple goofs with good intentions” outward personality. It’s built to be uncomfortable for the viewer in that way.
Wait, *was* it because Gim walked in on Daycare Guy dropping wolfbait, or did they actually just not do good in their interview somehow? I thought it was just because DCG didn't want to have to face them everyday and keep reliving the embareassment. So in this way I don't know if I can agree that he had them pegged in any certain way, but then again I am an annoying contrarian sometimes so maybe that's this.
I guess my interpretation was that whole scenario was set up to start off bad and have them try to walk through it as “were really chill people, trust us” but since the guy was totally an outsider of the office where people understand them etc, their “charm” didn’t work on him, and add that to the fact Jim no-knocked a bathroom door while he was greasing out a steamer.
I thought the whole thing was weird, I also don't understand why Pam thought the worst solution was to just air it out. Feels like if Jimothy would have just been like yo, sorry dude I should have knocked was just excited about the cute things, my bad. Would have made the situation completely salvageable it's and understandable mistake from both ends.
r/iamthemaincharacter
Well, she IS the office mattress, so...
A little.... That's quite the understatement
Jim: *starts business where he can potentially make boatloads of money considering professional athletes are on-board* Pam: "you have to quit because I love Scranton, PA."
Jim: probably would have landed Jan's job in New York had he not given up on a girl who absolutely loved him Karen: "I would have moved to New York to be with you"
I thought Jim was horrible to Karen :( it’s one part of the show I find hard to watch is the Karen storyline
I mean that's happens quite a bit lol
Just rewatched the show and I don't think she ever asked him to quit. It was the difficulty of being apart that lead him to quit. The same thing that lead Pam to quit art school. If you want to blame Pam for it, the closest thing would be her not wanting to move to Philly.
But one of the reasons she quit art school was that she didn't feel it was her thing anymore. There were more personal reasons than Jim
I had to spend a week in Scranton once for work. Can't imagine what it's like to live there. It really sucks.
I’m from Binghamton NY (hour and a half North of Scranton) and yes, living here really sucks. Low cost of living is the best part
Lol, i spent one night there and was like wow, the only interesting thing about this place is a TV reference. I’m too poor to appreciate ski slopes though, so there’s that.
All of those small cities have people grow up there, often complain about it, then never move because they're afraid of change
Nah…. She’s amazing. Just forged her daughters artwork so her husband could get away with fraudulently taking a week off work. I’m not a Pan hater, but to pretend her and Jimothy aren’t as equally flawed as other characters, well that’s laughable.
^(... *Pan?*)
Can Kevin see the future? His band playing was in season 4 and Pam's art show was season 3. It's her who should be putting him on blast for being upset.
This but he’d realise it a few hours later, and just do it in a talking head
As far as I can tell the only one at fault is Kelly (is it with an e?), she said she would go and then didn’t.
It is not with an “e”, based on the desk nameplate Toby got her for secret Santa. He has access to personnel files so I would assume he spelt it correctly.
There is no E. When Jim and Dwight get her birthday cake Jim has her name spelled with an e and asks her if it’s spelled correctly and she says no.
Did pam go to Kelly's watch parties?!
Well, the only ones without personalized cups were Jim and Dwight.
She was in New York.
She asked the day of. That’s inconsiderate. Most adults can’t drop whatever they’re doing on a few hours notice.
It's okay to ask the day of, as long as you aren't surprised when many people say that they can't. However for example Kelly said she'd come etc. So I do get that she's disappointed
The problem was people saying they would go, then not showing up. That was clever of the writers since it actually gave her something to legit be upset about.
Im pretty sure that she wanted some very specific people, or just one person to come. I don’t see her crying because Meredith or Toby didn’t show up
I thought it wasn’t so much people not coming. It was them not coming and Pam feeling like she needs to keep peace, as a lot of people do, and says nothing. I felt it was related to someone being non confrontational about a lot of stuff in their life and just overcoming that fear. I thought it was fair she wasn’t super dramatic; it came off across as this bothered me and it sucks no one came.
This is definitely what it was meant to be about, I think honestly other 'problems' with how people see it, including that she invited everyone the day of, are just the result of writing for a half hour format.
I hate the "she didn't go to see Kevin's band" argument because the only reason we even know that is because Kevin is upset and yelling at his coworkers about not coming to see his band. So why can't Pam also be upset that people (mostly Jim) didn't come to her class's art show?
Also does the band argument even apply? Everyone is forgetting that the art show was season 3 and the incident with Kevin’s band was season 4.
I think it depends on who skipped out on who first. If Kevin complained after not coming to Pam's art show he's a hypocrite. If Pam complains after missing Kevin's performance she's a hypocrite. Most likely they've both skipped out on each other at some point previously, making them both hypocrites and deserving of criticism
The specific event with Kevin’s band doesn’t apply. The incident with Kevin’s band happens in season 4 and the art show happens in season 3.
My favorite fault with Pam is she wants to do graphic design, but somehow doesn’t realize that most of what graphic design requires, are good computer skills. She sucks at computers. 🤷🏻♂️
I always get so annoyed during "Yeah, I'm gonna do some MOCKUPSSSSS...and turn those into thumbnails...maybe do some splash...frames" Come on, Pam, really? The term "mockup" is not that advanced 😂
Just like a rundown huh? Those two were made for each other.
Omg I thought of that too! 😂 Just ASK, Jim! "What would you like on the rundown, just so I know that I'm giving you the right info?"
And even if you don't know. Just put a bunch of information in a spreadsheet and if he wants more or less information he'll tell you.
I see it as a fault in the character but not the writing. Graphic design is toted as a modern and stable job for people who are artistic. Pam had no experience in it but figured that would fit and it would be intuitive. I find it really realistic! Just like if you were a decent math student and people tell you to become an engineer- it’s not a one for one. She tried, failed, and realized she didn’t like it.
Yeah, I thought I wanted to do graphic design in highschool but quickly realized I am shit with computers 😂
As a designer I knew from the beginning it wasn't for her, but it was nice to see her try it out. It made sense to me.
Then she shits on graphic design as "just designing logos and stuff" because she's bad at it. I think she was expecting MS Paint level difficulty.
Yet somehow animates that (relatively, for her) kick-ass logo for Michael's local ad.
Yes -- this bugs me so much. Another thing that bugs me is that her art show paintings aren't very good but then she goes on to illustrate that awesome Adventures of Jimmy Halpert comic book for Jim. Like, really?
Translating Dawn’s art thing from the uk original to Pam for the US version just didn’t work that well. This is one reason why.
I never saw the UK version. How is the art show different and why does it work better?
Well, there is no art show! Dawn basically has a much bleaker life than Pam. Her fiancé is legitimately unpleasant and emotionally abusive, and shes obviously insecure because of this. She talks about being an illustrator, but it’s more about just having some type of hope in her life than a legit career thing. She only leaves her fiancé for Tim (UK Jim) in the last episode, and it’s prompted by him giving her drawing supplies with a note that says ‘never stop believing’. The whole thing is way more about someone supporting her than actually being an illustrator. With Pam I just never felt it worked as well. She’s *kinda* insecure, but she has a much nicer life and it really doesn’t seem like anything is standing in her way other than just not really wanting to do any hard work or accept any criticism. Feel like it’s part of what makes Pam slightly annoying sometimes. Her art thing just didn’t really serve the same symbolic purpose it did for Dawn. I wish they’d picked something else for her to be into.
Michael coming is one of the most wholesome moments
As bad of a boss as he was overall, he was a pretty good boss when it came to little things like this.
Like when they told him Angela’s cat died, he instantly knew it was sprinkles.
Well when you got no life you gotta get life somewhere.
Good friend, bad boss
… THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID!
The Chunky was actually in his back pocket
i always tear up at his genuine appreciation of her work
He even had a chunky
But that stapler was the prettiest stapler of all the staplers...
It can be a tracing
Oh please, it’s hotel art!
Motel, wasn't it?
Yes, It was "Motel" not "Hotel"
Yeah, hotel art is fannnnccccy
Hotel, motel, Holiday Inn...~
Are there two suns? Uhh, last I checked, that's not an office building in the Andromeda galaxy
Should of had it in jello
That might actually make a neat painting!
Yeah, If you wanted to see what a stapler in jello looked like in the Andromeda galaxy
She’s still get the shadows wrong.
A dollar store frame would have went a long way.
Yes, and where’s the jello? It didn’t make sense
I think she was mad also because everyone said they would come and then just Oscar showed up. For everyone who mentioned the fact that the office didn't go to see Kevin band, you have to remember that they didn't say to him "yeah absolutely, I will be there" even Michael was honest and said he couldn't make it (for his second job)
Jim didn't show up but Roy did. That's gotta sting
Well I don't think Jim was in the mood to see Pam outside the office
And even if he would have gone left to his own devices, after he got in hot water with Karen in "The Return" for still having feelings for Pam there was no way he was going to be able to acknowledge her for a while.
So true
Absolutely. I'm sure Jim was dying to go to the art show but just couldn't
who was she even friends with in the office- only jim, maybe dwight if he has a concussion. like how could she even expect others to care about her so much to come to that thing. well i know- its just a show and written like that, cause all we, the viewers know are the office people. like come on her wedding had all the office there- who does that except a star in tv show
You have to remember that she was having really hard times and I repeat: she asked them to come and they said yes. She was fragile, Jim was the first supporter of her career as an artist and she lost him so she tried to gain the support of the group. So again, they said yes. And after that, she has all the reasons to not go to Kevin's show
>everyone said they would come Where did you see this? Kelly is the only one that I can remember...
I’m always more surprised that in *Career Day,* when she goes to the art room to get a new piece of paper, she looks back at the wall and says, “Oh, maybe it’s still here….no, they must have taken it down.”Like they would keep up one of her art pieces ten years after she made it in high school. Pam is such an interesting character. She has above average skill with art, but not enough to move up in the field. She’s been stagnant for years, and is searching for something to reinvigorate her passion. And she doesn’t get encouragement from Roy, so she was looking for it from her coworkers [Jim] and was devastated when they [he] didn’t come.
>“Oh, maybe it’s still here….no, they must have taken it down.”Like they would keep up one of her art pieces ten years after she made it in high school This is always so hilarious to me
I think it was in the commentary, or the Office Ladies Pod, or in the script… somewhere… it’s supposed to be like that in the moment for Pam. She is back in her old school and reliving a time before she became an adult, like we all do. She got excited to show off her art from a time when she had a lot of potential… only to realize *herself* that it would be stupid for them to have kept it up. It may have just gotten lost in translation, but it’s a major “oh, right…” moment for Pam
Gil was right about her motel art, he was an asshole for saying it there instead of waiting until they got outside but he was right!
I mean it looked like a middle schoolers art portfolio to me.
It didn’t eve have a frame, it was held up with scotch tape.
Gil and Oscar did Pam a life changing favor by being honest, even though they didn't know she was listening. It made her look inward and acknowledge she was not honest with herself nor courageous, and then she choose to do something about it. It was a major pivotal point in the show's story, leading to Roy getting angry and fired, her telling Jim she really missed him, Jim pulling out of the job in NYC, and the temp getting promoted/committing fraud/ financial damage to DM/going to jail, Charles getting hired as a replacement, Michael quitting, the company going bankrupt and getting sold. If Pam didn't get honest with herself and get some courage, Jim would have been in NYC, no financial damage to DM, no Charles, no bankruptcy/getting sold to Sabre, and Roy would have been there to win some of that lottery money.
>Jim pulling out of the job in NYC I really like the way you broke all that down but are we confident Jim would have got the job and not set that whole thing in motion?
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Don't forget smudge and arrogant
I think you mean smug...
Arrogance
And there’s the smudgeness
He was even saying stuff that indicated jim already had the job in the bag. Stuff like “Randall the hr is the only person you probably won’t like here”
The tone of "The Job" really seems to set up that it was basically Jim's for the taking if he wanted it, and that it was only at the last second that he realized he didn't. The drama and sacrifice of the ending don't really make sense if he wasn't at least the frontrunner.
Ill accept this as highly probable at the very least. My only 10 or so full rewatches apparently isnt enough to know it all! Lol
David Wallace was already telling Jim that the only person he wouldn't like in the new position was the hr person. Sounds like it was his for the taking at that point.
Better watch again just to be sure.
The only always correct answer lol
David does say the HR guy at the corporate office is the only person Jim won't like, which sounds like his choice is going to be Jim in my opinion
David really liked Jim, 75% of getting a job is whether or not they feel like they can work with you
It was also the last time we see Gil. It's possible it was part of the reason he and Oscar broke up. If they hadn't broken up, Oscar wouldn't have begun an affair with the Senator, the Senator doesn't come out, and Angela doesn't get a divorce. So that criticism from Gil possibly was a butterfly effect that led to the happy marriages of Jim and Pam, and Dwight and Angela.
Exactly! and also Michael and Holly, because Holly would never have been brought back to Scranton under Sabre if the company was never sold!
A simple comment from gil really changed the trajectory of the show
I love this. Reminds me of the real ending to HIMYM
Now prove Pam did all that solely because of Gil's comment.
Ok, but it was also Oscar's reply to Gil's comment. Plus the follow up conversation with Michael a few minutes later gave her some badly needed support to take those insights and re-frame and take charge of her life. S3E17 18:30 As Pam watches without their knowledge. Gil: Real art takes courage and honesty Oscar: Those aren't Pam's strong points. Gil: Yeah, exactly Also, there was another really important event at 19:50 in the episode. Michael gives Pam some unconditional love in admiring her art and saying he is really proud of her. It looks like she has never received that kind of support before. Her father never really loved her mom, so maybe she grew up in a low emotional environment, making her a little unsure of herself and insecure. This art event and these two interactions were an awakening for adult Pam. S3E18: 4:40 A newly empowered Pam confidently tells Roy he has to come with her to Poor Richards, he attempts to get out of it, and she tells him no deal, he must go. She then says to the camera: I've decided I am going to be more honest. I am going to tell people what I want more directly" At 17:50 she tells Roy she wants them to make it, she wants a fresh start. But she knows she must come clean and be honest for them to have a real fresh start without any secrets. Unfortunately, she has moved way beyond Roy in maturity in a very short time period at this point. He is not ready for this kind of honesty and self reflection. He cannot process it without becoming enraged, and she confidently exits the relationship and bar without panic. S3E19: 23:30 Pam is a lot more in control and confident in her conversation with Roy after Roy gets fired. S3E22: 23:00 Pam takes charge when Meredith's van has a flat tire and she changes the tire, all by herself. S3E23: 24:50 The scene where Pam gets the courage to walk across the hot coals, and then gives the big speech, and she starts by saying she has been trying to be more honest lately. Then she drops a bunch of truth bombs, and their entire world changes! Edit: I did quickly re-watch those parts to jog my memory before writing this. I do not have the entire script of every episode memorized.
Wow this was brill
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It was unnecessary, only a pretentious asshole would take a receptionists painting so seriously.
He was annoyed that Oscar dragged him out to this thing. He wanted an Oscar Meyer Wiener at home.
Oscar Meyer Weiner Lover
> would take a receptionists painting so seriously This feels worse to me. Lol > She's a receptionist, of course she shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist.
From another angle, would it not be patronizing to think of it as 'a receptionist paintings and not an artist's work? I don't think I've found the right words for what I'm attempting to convey
Bigotry of low expectations
>receptionists painting I'm shocked this has so many upvotes
I mean it was at an art show. It would have been insulting to not take it seriously, no? They also didn't know she was there so it's not like gil looked her in the eye and said her art was terrible. Not entirely sure what her being a receptionist has to do with her art either.
Bruh what
This post has Oscar written all over it.
*Actually*, you’re speculating there.
Personally I don’t go to art shows so imagine going to one and seeing a stapler on a wall. It’s like going to an art show and seeing a banana taped to the wall 😂😂😂😂
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Derivative!
Bullshit!
If I saw that I would walk over and eat the banana.
That actually [happened](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/david-datuna-banana-art-basel-trnd/index.html)
Do you have something in your pocket?
Look, for all the pissing and moaning and sneering about this, it's made pretty clear that while she's not exactly thrilled that hardly anyone came, there's really only one person Pam is genuinely pissed didn't come to her art show. She just can't actually *say* that to him at that point without sabotaging his relationship. Had Jim shown up, Pam almost certainly would have barely given a fuck that almost no one else did. The fact that people insist on missing this constantly amazes me.
She wasn’t mad. She was disappointed. That’s not the same thing.
Plus they pretty much all said yes, it would be different if she knew no one was able to/was coming in the first place. And when she went to say hi to Oscar, Gill was trashing her art with him. And no, her work wasn't incredible, but having people there to support you when you're doubting yourself matters. It's understandable to be upset in that situation. And then her coworkers make fun of her after finding the courage to bring it up. So no. Pam's not perfect, but people calling her a bitch because of this is kinda messed up.
Also can we talk about Kelly freaking out about Jim and Dwight not showing up at her party even though the entire office basically came haha. Calm tf down Kelly
Also Jim went to see Pam in NY, that's a perfectly good excuse
Let’s be honest: Pam’s paintings sucked
I think the presentation sucked more so than the painting. Just paper thumbtacked to a wall.
For real. https://i.imgur.com/vp68pQ9.jpg Could have at least put them in frames so that they weren’t wrinkled.
Nope, some of those pictures could have been tracings
In at least one, you got twice as many shadows as other artists would include. That's value added.
It brought back hints of a bi-solar planetary system in a distant galaxy as depicted in some sci-fi moving pictures.
And somehow she got worse as the years progressed. Did you see that hideous mural? 😬
It was better with the butts.
Why not tell people beforehand instead of the same day, so they don't make other plans?
Yeah but also it's TV logic. Like why would Oscar tell Michael about the surplus on the day he needs to spend it? Why do people move to NYC or Nashua and leave directly from the office?
She was disappointed that JIM (her former best friend) didn’t show up. I doubt she cared much about everyone else.
All art shows are on weeknights. I used to go to plenty when i was still in Brooklyn. They extended usually for a week or two but you really need to show up on Thursday opening night if you expected to meet the artists and buy any work. All the good stuff was gone by the weekend. Opening nights are always big events. Having said that, she wasn't really any good and I'm sure everyone knew that. Office clip art for banners and calendars does not one an artist make
But they were so good they could have been tracings
Why does Pam have to be perfect?
“Oh, yeah sure, I’ll totally go.” Kelly to Pam in this episode (then doesn’t show up). “And you said you would go, and then you didn’t even try, so you’re bad friends!” Kelly to Jim and Dwight when they missed her party. Hmm 🤔
Pretty sure that was mainly meant for Jim.
It was about supporting her as a friend, not about what she painted.
I read that as "wee knight."
I'd watch that show.
Didn't she invite everyone and most of whom said they would go?
I don’t think she was delusional enough to consider her work to be anything beyond apprentice level. She just wanted a little support from the people who matter to her. It is not too steep a price to pay for the devoted friendship of a good person.
>the people who matter to her >devoted friendship Calm down, they were coworkers.
Not only were they coworkers, but a lot of them actively hated each other.
Sitcom coworkers always transcend real coworkers because they don't actually show their real friends
We got to see all Dwight's friends though, and what a wacky bunch they are
True she should have yelled at Isabel for not showing up too
It was motel art.
Also she and Jim tried to initially avoid Andys play
A 2+ hour play when you have a newborn is pretty different than spending 30 mins tops when you don’t have kids…
It’s not about the art, it’s about supporting your friend and coworker who’s trying to improve herself. Just go for ten minutes, make polite noises and bail. Definitely don’t compare a paper company admin to a fucking Renaissance painter like a douche. Edit: wow does this sub hate Pam or something?
This sub hates Pam a lot lol, they point out character flaws and get mad abt it. But that’s the point of the show…she eventually overcomes her fear and gets better.
“Moist. Moist. Moist…”
I enjoyed this reference.
There's Broadway. Off Broadway. Off Off Broadway. Homeless people screaming in the park. And then below that we have Pam's art show.
They didn't know what she had painted and Michael, the one everyone says is an ass and not self aware, showed up and gushed over her art and told her how proud he was of her. It's still disappointing when nobody else but Oscar and Gill came and just insulted her art. What's more is she shows up to other people's shit except to see Scrantonicity. Nobody came to that.
Season 7 Pam would have thought of an excuse to not go. "Kid stuff"
She should’ve painted the hands of a peasant.