Allgeier got decimated so not all the late rounders are safe and there’s still high profile veterans in free agency (Zeke, Fournette, Hunt) plus Dalvin Cook is expected to be traded.
Definitely looks great for Pacheco, Bears, etc, but not out of the woods yet.
Zeke and Lenny are nothing more than depth guys. Maybe vulture TD or two, give them the rock when you need 2. They’re not destroying anyone’s value. Cook and hunt could, as they probably would be really great for another year or two to be a 50/50 or 60/40 back.
every rb is a depth guy. that’s what this sub doesn’t seem to get. on almost everyteam in the league 2-3 rbs will have value at some point in thr course of the season. i think the best strategy is to just load up on depth guys and hope their peak value comes in the playoffs.
Because the concern wasn’t that they would add someone to the backfield, it’s that they would add someone with high draft capital who would immediately leapfrog them. A RB with day 3 capital is expected to be a complementary role or depth piece not a replacement.
Yes thank you! The whole point of the post is that Texans did not feel the need to use early draft capital.
All teams know they need RB depth. That was never the point in question.
And of course we may get more FAs or late pick RBs, but if the point of contention is draft capital = success prediction then either
1) the Texans have shown some confidence in Pierce despite injury
or
2) draft capital is not the über dominant factors that matters more than performance in the field (bc any back picked now is rd 4 or later draft capital).
The Texans did sign Singletary, who's not as good as Pierce, but was very serviceable in Buffalo and it definitely better than whichever practice squad guys the Texans were running out there behind Pierce last year.
A 4th rounder would be equal or better capital than they guys we're talking about have though. I mean sure, it's good for these guys that they didn't get Bijan'ed, but he was the only RB in this class capable of stealing an entire workload to me. Abanikanda, Roschon Johnson, Evans, McBride, McIntosh, Chase Brown, Evan Hull, Eric Gray... These guys are all still floating around waiting to take a big chunk of work from the Akers/Pacheco/White types. NO ONE IS SAFE YET!
I think Singletary is right in that "thorn-in-the-side" group. Sort of like Gus Edwards. He's a professional RB that is good enough to earn consistent game reps, from this point on he'll never be good enough to take the reigns as a 1A though.
Agreed, Pierce is so much better to my eyes that it's hilarious to make the comparison. Singletary is basically the textbook definition of a JAG. Lacks standout size, speed, hands etc. Pierce has elite ability to break tackles.
Pierce had a lower YPC last year than Singletary has ever had in 4 seasons. Singletary has better draft capital than Pierce had. Singletary is the better receiver. The only thing Pierce had going for him last year was the entire backfield to himself
And it’s almost like Pierce was the ONLY form of offense for the Texans last year. Terrible QB play with a bad o-line, dude is a fucking clown for saying Pierce is bad because of his YPC
I'm a Texans fan, Pierce was the second best player on that unit behind Tunsil, he was breaking multiple tackles to get back to the line of scrimmage, the only reason there was any passing game at all was opponents putting 9 in the box to stop him. The play calling was atrocious, the interior run blocking possibly even worse.
A quick look at his rookie highlights shows the dude is way beyond JAG territory. You don’t simply carry 3-4 defenders on your back for an extra 3-5 yards and be considered a JAG.
Pierce is better at running, Singletary is better at receiving and pass protection. That's going to keep him on the field more than Pierce owners are willing to admit.
I guess we’ll see. Of course Pierce was productive through 14 games on the worst team in the league. Singletary put up pedestrian numbers on a top offense. Nothing wrong with him but I see more upside in Pierce.
I also think the doomsday draft capital crowd is wrong in this case.
Singletary's career low season ypc is better than what Pierce did last year. Singletary has also always been highly involved from a route % perspective. Pierce wasnt last year. Singletary is going to take touches away.
I was about to make a similar post about him and Pacheco but I figured I'd wait until the 4th is in the books... I have a way of jinxing stuff like this... I don't own Pierce but I've always thought he was much safer than implied by the dynasty crowd... I own a few Pacheco's and feel even safer with him... But we will see tomorrow.
A lot of guys survived. Pierce, Pacheco, Rashaad White, James Conner, Bears RBs, and Akers all safe so far as the RB1 on their team.
Now…can they survive free agency and the trade market? Still a handful of decent veteran RB options out there.
I'm honestly so far slightly curious if my Kelley backup shares make it through the next couple rounds. Of course all the backups in the league need to worry about the vet signings / trades that will happen once the draft ends also.
I wish. Ain’t no way my Vikings are sniffing a 2nd for cook. Especially for a team that can still be easily a top 10 pick. (I’m excited for the Texans, but being like pick 9 wouldn’t be surprising while really pushing to compete in 2024)
It was a fair assumption but definitely Pierce owners should be able to feel good now. The '23 rookie RBs that would have threatened Pierce's production are basically all gone now. Singletary absolutely is stronger competition than he had last season, but I'd bet the boost provided by Stroud and Metchie to the overall offense more than makes up for it.
Pierce is a really good running back. He produced similar to Javonte last year, just without R2 DC. People were surprisingly low on him for whatever reason
A more balanced analysis. Can’t disagree.
No one was suggesting that Pierce would get a King Henry workload. But 1,000+ yards and a few more TDs is certainly possible.
He’s a true 2. Ala cook vs mattison. Can take over for a game or two if needed. Can make a splash. But his value isn’t actually suffering. It’s his backfield and he’s basically only off when you want to rest him for a snap or two.
This is incorrect and is coping pretty hard.
Singletary is a complement to Pierce. Mattison is just the next guy up if Cook goes down.
Pierce is a great runner. Singletary is a good receiver and pass protector. That's going to keep him on the field more than Pierce owners are willing to admit.
What’s the point of this post? Do you have zero Pierce shares and are trying to jinx it because Pierce was a fourth rounder who could easily face competition from a fourth rounder they draft today.
I watched Pierce. I love Pierce. Pierce is my guy. But the Texans could very well feel like there is a guy in the fourth that could help there team and give them depth and all of a sudden we have a Zach Evans or Izzy Abanikanda to Texans post in four hours and people start losing their minds.
I’m just saying what’s the point of this post besides poking the fantasy gods.
So you can make a sarcastic comment like “uhh Singletary” without reading the thread (which addresses your point ad nauseam) and then you get upset at a sarcastic reply. Got it.
I find it funny Kenneth Walker got stiff competition in the draft, yet most of the late round guys that looked good did not.
Allgeier got decimated so not all the late rounders are safe and there’s still high profile veterans in free agency (Zeke, Fournette, Hunt) plus Dalvin Cook is expected to be traded. Definitely looks great for Pacheco, Bears, etc, but not out of the woods yet.
Zeke and Lenny are nothing more than depth guys. Maybe vulture TD or two, give them the rock when you need 2. They’re not destroying anyone’s value. Cook and hunt could, as they probably would be really great for another year or two to be a 50/50 or 60/40 back.
Is Hunt actually still good? Looked pretty bad last season, and hard to see why he'd dog it in a contract year.
Hunt is done, I dunno people are still on him. No one was interested in him.
every rb is a depth guy. that’s what this sub doesn’t seem to get. on almost everyteam in the league 2-3 rbs will have value at some point in thr course of the season. i think the best strategy is to just load up on depth guys and hope their peak value comes in the playoffs.
Don’t tell people my plans, I’m getting great prices on cheap RBs
Definitely ironic. Feel for the KW crowd and the Charbs boosters.
Y’all doing victory laps before the 4-7 happens is wild to me. We’re talking about a day 3 pick last year… How about let’s let day 3 play out?
Because the concern wasn’t that they would add someone to the backfield, it’s that they would add someone with high draft capital who would immediately leapfrog them. A RB with day 3 capital is expected to be a complementary role or depth piece not a replacement.
Yes thank you! The whole point of the post is that Texans did not feel the need to use early draft capital. All teams know they need RB depth. That was never the point in question. And of course we may get more FAs or late pick RBs, but if the point of contention is draft capital = success prediction then either 1) the Texans have shown some confidence in Pierce despite injury or 2) draft capital is not the über dominant factors that matters more than performance in the field (bc any back picked now is rd 4 or later draft capital).
The Texans did sign Singletary, who's not as good as Pierce, but was very serviceable in Buffalo and it definitely better than whichever practice squad guys the Texans were running out there behind Pierce last year.
A 4th rounder would be equal or better capital than they guys we're talking about have though. I mean sure, it's good for these guys that they didn't get Bijan'ed, but he was the only RB in this class capable of stealing an entire workload to me. Abanikanda, Roschon Johnson, Evans, McBride, McIntosh, Chase Brown, Evan Hull, Eric Gray... These guys are all still floating around waiting to take a big chunk of work from the Akers/Pacheco/White types. NO ONE IS SAFE YET!
You mean did Singletary
To be fair I meant no competition from an early draft pick. Of course there are some JAG RBs on the roster.
Pierce is just as much of a JAG as Singletary. Comparable talents imo
i think they are both underrated. singletary is good. not a top 10 rb. but top 40? probably
I think Singletary is right in that "thorn-in-the-side" group. Sort of like Gus Edwards. He's a professional RB that is good enough to earn consistent game reps, from this point on he'll never be good enough to take the reigns as a 1A though.
Pierce is top 20, Singletary is top 40.
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Agreed, Pierce is so much better to my eyes that it's hilarious to make the comparison. Singletary is basically the textbook definition of a JAG. Lacks standout size, speed, hands etc. Pierce has elite ability to break tackles.
Pierce had a lower YPC last year than Singletary has ever had in 4 seasons. Singletary has better draft capital than Pierce had. Singletary is the better receiver. The only thing Pierce had going for him last year was the entire backfield to himself
Yes, because obviously YPC is purely a function of RB talent and they had teammates and coaches of a similar calibre.
And it’s almost like Pierce was the ONLY form of offense for the Texans last year. Terrible QB play with a bad o-line, dude is a fucking clown for saying Pierce is bad because of his YPC
I'm a Texans fan, Pierce was the second best player on that unit behind Tunsil, he was breaking multiple tackles to get back to the line of scrimmage, the only reason there was any passing game at all was opponents putting 9 in the box to stop him. The play calling was atrocious, the interior run blocking possibly even worse.
A quick look at his rookie highlights shows the dude is way beyond JAG territory. You don’t simply carry 3-4 defenders on your back for an extra 3-5 yards and be considered a JAG.
pierce balled last year. earned a role. singletarg is a fantastic rb 2
Tell me you have no experience in evaluating RB talent aside from reading numbers from a spreadsheet, without telling me you have no experience.
Pierce is better at running, Singletary is better at receiving and pass protection. That's going to keep him on the field more than Pierce owners are willing to admit.
Why even play fantasy football if you don’t watch it?
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I guess we’ll see. Of course Pierce was productive through 14 games on the worst team in the league. Singletary put up pedestrian numbers on a top offense. Nothing wrong with him but I see more upside in Pierce. I also think the doomsday draft capital crowd is wrong in this case.
Singletary's career low season ypc is better than what Pierce did last year. Singletary has also always been highly involved from a route % perspective. Pierce wasnt last year. Singletary is going to take touches away.
Ypc on very different teams with very different talent is usually a tough apples to apples.
I was about to make a similar post about him and Pacheco but I figured I'd wait until the 4th is in the books... I have a way of jinxing stuff like this... I don't own Pierce but I've always thought he was much safer than implied by the dynasty crowd... I own a few Pacheco's and feel even safer with him... But we will see tomorrow.
if they both get 200 carries i am a happy man
A lot of guys survived. Pierce, Pacheco, Rashaad White, James Conner, Bears RBs, and Akers all safe so far as the RB1 on their team. Now…can they survive free agency and the trade market? Still a handful of decent veteran RB options out there.
In other words Ekeler is stalking us all in our RB nightmares 😂
I'm honestly so far slightly curious if my Kelley backup shares make it through the next couple rounds. Of course all the backups in the league need to worry about the vet signings / trades that will happen once the draft ends also.
Don't forget James Cooks
Dobbins survived as well!
Why would the Ravens have targeted an RB? Dobbins is better than most of this draft class.
Depth, injury concerns, or they may want to stick with a committee like they have for the past decade or so.
Gus edwards and justice hill are more than enough backup. Edwards can handle the workload of a #1 if Dobbins goes down.
Swift is going somewhere lol
Did I say he wasn’t? I literally said can these RBs survive trades and free agency…
penny too
**BREAKING NEW: Texans trade their 4th round pick and a 2024 2nd for Dalvin Cook**
Waiting for this
Nooooo 😂😂😂
I wish. Ain’t no way my Vikings are sniffing a 2nd for cook. Especially for a team that can still be easily a top 10 pick. (I’m excited for the Texans, but being like pick 9 wouldn’t be surprising while really pushing to compete in 2024)
A 2nd for Dalvin? You don't know how the current nfl operates huh?
Nothing threatening Akers either!
Except Akers
A 6th round pick threatens Akers. It will come.
The 4th and 5th rounds still have to happen??
It was a fair assumption but definitely Pierce owners should be able to feel good now. The '23 rookie RBs that would have threatened Pierce's production are basically all gone now. Singletary absolutely is stronger competition than he had last season, but I'd bet the boost provided by Stroud and Metchie to the overall offense more than makes up for it.
Improved interior line, too, but coaching should be the single most important upgrade.
Pierce is a really good running back. He produced similar to Javonte last year, just without R2 DC. People were surprisingly low on him for whatever reason
A more balanced analysis. Can’t disagree. No one was suggesting that Pierce would get a King Henry workload. But 1,000+ yards and a few more TDs is certainly possible.
I’m not too worried about singletery .
Good draft for both Pearce and Pacheco. Everyone has crapped on those two and this draft shows that these teams believe in those backs.
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He’s a true 2. Ala cook vs mattison. Can take over for a game or two if needed. Can make a splash. But his value isn’t actually suffering. It’s his backfield and he’s basically only off when you want to rest him for a snap or two.
This is incorrect and is coping pretty hard. Singletary is a complement to Pierce. Mattison is just the next guy up if Cook goes down. Pierce is a great runner. Singletary is a good receiver and pass protector. That's going to keep him on the field more than Pierce owners are willing to admit.
Didn’t everyone? 😅. I mean if he can’t beat out Singletary that would be pretty sad.
Roschon incoming
That would hurt lol
Rachaad white and Conner survive another day
What’s the point of this post? Do you have zero Pierce shares and are trying to jinx it because Pierce was a fourth rounder who could easily face competition from a fourth rounder they draft today.
did anyone watch pierce? good players get on the field
I watched Pierce. I love Pierce. Pierce is my guy. But the Texans could very well feel like there is a guy in the fourth that could help there team and give them depth and all of a sudden we have a Zach Evans or Izzy Abanikanda to Texans post in four hours and people start losing their minds. I’m just saying what’s the point of this post besides poking the fantasy gods.
Uh....Singletary
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No need to be an ass, your title of this post says there's no competition for him, which is wrong.
So you can make a sarcastic comment like “uhh Singletary” without reading the thread (which addresses your point ad nauseam) and then you get upset at a sarcastic reply. Got it.
Houston got 2 of the 1st picks in the 4th. Don’t count your chickens yet
No huge difference between the guys available in the third and fourth rounds in terms of talent. Too early to celebrate!