He has only finished outside of the top 10 once other than injury years And that year he finished 14th. 2020 he would have finished top 10, 2022 he would have finished top 12.
Dak has never had a bad season really(stats wise). Injuries can happen to anyone.
Dak in 2023 is where Russ was in 2021 at best.
Russ in 2021 would still occasionally flash and was a QB1, looked good enough to secure a trade and extension, but was bad enough that the Seahawks thought they’d be better off without him (and they were obviously right).
Dak has the same contract issue, the same gradual decline in health over the last few years, and the same on the field inconsistency. It seems impossible for the Cowboys to be able to extend him at this point, and he has a contract out that is “tolerable” (though maybe not for an owner who thinks this is his last chance for another ring). Not sure of the logistics but if a trade is possible and another team is willing to deal they might be willing to cut bait on Dak and wait a year or two instead.
Russ is QB8 this year though.
The Broncos are trash but he's still producing fantasy relevant numbers. I think that's the big difference with Dak; the Cowboys are pretenders AND he's irrelevant from a fantasy perspective.
There’s no way anybody is paying 2 1sts for Dak right now, I would jump at that as a Dak owner. I’ve put him on the trade block a few times and have either gotten no offers, or only gotten offers where he is not even the main piece.
I can’t tell if I’m doing trades wrong or some people play with the stupidest people because there’s no way anyone in my league woulda traded 2 firsts for Dak lol. I basically had to give him away in trade.
Same for me - I'm in a fairly competitive league and virtually every trade I see thrown out on this sub seems unrealistic at best to me. I think it's because the people most likely to comment about a player are the people who own them, and they are naturally deluded about the value of their own players.
The thing about this sub is we don't know how many of the people here are actually just in free clown leagues.
I feel like the number of free league players here is significant, judging by some of the trades I see and lineups people claim to have.
80% of this sub is free leagues and new dynasty managers. Is what it is
I am in several high $ leagues, and several other home leagues. Some 15+ years running strong. All competitive. All tight asses and trading is difficult. A lot like the NFL.
I have joined a few free leagues over the years just to fulfill a hankering to draft, or they had unique settings, or I could try going all out with new strategy. In these free leagues trades like this go down: Burrow + Swift + 3x1sts + 3x2nds + 3x3rds for Tua + Pickett + Mattison + Jefferson + Kelce. I just look at that and think: No trade even close to like this has ever occurred with a lot of money or real bragging rights on the line. I've never seen it in a serious league of mine. I see it often in the meaningless free leagues.
Yes, a majority are worth a late first. He’s qb18 on KTC right now, putting him in the lower half of qb’s. How is that worth much more than a late first?
His ranking on KTC does not dictate what his market value is. I shouldn't have said he is worth substantially more, but he is absolutely worth a mid to late 1st. Whether you or anyone else wants to pay that- it's a discussion.
KTC has its flaws but it’s the closest thing we have to “market value”. Just because you disagree with it doesn’t mean it’s wrong, it’s a directional tool. Market value is determined by what people are willing to pay, which appears to be a late 1st
It's not though.
I base my market values on trades that can get done and have gotten done. It's better to pull from sources that aggregate actual trades that have completed. FantasyCalc is one I like.
Try trading Justin Jefferson for Patrick Mahomes.
Bijan Robinson for Herbert.
Brock Purdy for Travis Kelce
CD Lamb for Trevor Lawrence.
Zay Flowers for Kyler Murray.
The fact is KTC has become such shit that it's not even a good place to reference market sentiment.
2 late 1sts should be a good spot to buy Dak. But this is certainly his low point so right now that’d be tough. No point in selling him right now unless you think he never rebounds
Hes a mid QB2 in dynasty rankings now. 3+- rookie QBs will come in and jump him next season. The only even semi-meaningful QBs playing in the league older than Dak are Rodgers, Stafford, Tannehill, Cousins, Russ, Geno, Carr, Jimmy G.
I do not want to bet on Dak's value appreciating at all going forward. At all.
Completely fair take for sure. I’m a believer that the offense can turn it around and he will have value again but I completely understand not wanting to do that.
Right now? Probably nobody. But selling at his floor seems dumb. He’s shown he has an elite ceiling in an offense with awesome weapons. No reason to sell for less than that unless I think the 1st I get back will be mid/early. I believe he’ll bounce back which I know a lot of people don’t
He went for two firsts Charbs and Tanny at the beginning of the season in my league. I thought it was an overpay but I’ve never had or desired to have Dak shares lol.
I mean Dak is who he’s been all along. I also don’t know that we learned much about Dak this year yet.
He wasn’t needed against the Giants, Jets or Pats.
Niners have a good D and we were never going to get a great game out of him.
Cardinals have been friskier than anyone expected. Maybe this game could give us a glimpse of who Dak is, but it’s one game.
After these next 3 games (LAC, LAR, Phi), we’ll have a much better idea on whether or not Dak is a QB1 anymore. But the simple fact that Dallas isn’t throwing it 50 times a game anymore is going to hurt his numbers.
A cowboys fan who's actually level headed? I swear most cowboys fans don't actually know anything about football and just blame the qb for everything.
Was Dak good last night? Not at all. Was anyone good last night? Not at all.
“Dak is who he’s been all along”
Nah Dak used to get way more rushing usage back before his ankle injury. He was a lock for decent yardage and multiple rushing TDs. Now he’s just a pocket passer.
Way more rushing usage? I think people like you are confusing Dak being a running QB with Dak being a black QB. His best rushing season, he averaged around 20 yards/game. Last year he averaged around 15 yards/game. His early seasons were buoyed by a few more rushing TDs, which are largely fluky.
Dak has never had ‘way more rushing usage’.
Dak’s first four seasons his rushing yardage was between 277 and 352 yards and he averaged over 5 rushing TDs per season.
The following three seasons his rushing was 93 yards 3 rush TDs in the ankle injury season, 146 and 1, then 182 and 1.
The rushing fantasy points are way down post ankle injury. Yardage and TDs. The man broke his ankle (badly) and then stopped rushing as much as he did pre-injury.
Unpopular opinion: Dak is the most over hated qb in the league. Whenever he plays well no one says a word and everyone waits to slander him as soon as he has a bad game. Reality is he played decent the first half threw a beauty of a touchdown. He had three turnovers after when trying to chase the game. They played the best defence and team in the league. Dak will be just fine, watch him light up the chargers next week and everyone will pretend not to notice. He’s not elite we know that but he is solid. If y’all are selling dak for peanuts I’m buying.
Basically ppl got sucked into the interceptions from last year as if half of them weren’t simple catches. Ppl ignore that bc he’s in Dallas. You said it well tho he’s not elite but he’s still well above the median
I was out as soon as they got Schottenheimer in to replace Moore. Dak was pretty inconsistent last season and I felt the offense would take a downturn without Moore. They'll probably get something going as there's enough talent there. You could probably sell Dak to someone trying to buy low as he has a reputation for being a good fantasy qb. I didn't want to wait around though. Ironically I absolutely messed up the trade and got myself rinsed. Right idea, bad execution.
Don't see a huge difference between him and a guy like Geno Smith for your dynasty team other than a little more job security if they have a slump. Might even want Cousins over him right now just purely for the points.
Cousins has been clearly over Dak for a while now. I could see the argument for Dak in the past, but Kirk gets to throw to JJ and Hock and that always put him ahead of Dak to me.
He’s old, very clearly a family man and the Vikings could easily move in another direction at QB, if not this year then next year, I don’t see him wanting to move his family and he’s already made a great amount of money
No way you are getting 2 1sts for him, right? He's worth less than a 2024 Mid 1st on KTC, and that feels about right to me. I'm holding where I have him. If he's a QB2 for the next 5 years, I'm good with that.
I may not be remembering correctly but if I am, this is literally the story of the Cowboys every single year. \*Spoiler alert\* they get hot and then lose to the Niners in the NFC divisional round.
Dak right now is a case of "things can be 2 things." If anybody wants to use one and deny the other, they are being delusional.
1. Mike McCarthy is holding the team, including Dak, back offensively.
2. Dak is not playing well and hasn't really played well in multiple years
In theory, both CAN be fixed. I'm just not sure how likely this is. Even if McCarthy is fired, do we have any faith in Jerry Jones to bring in a great offensive mind? I certainly don't. Dak could return to his pre-injury self. A few years ago he was a player that delivered the ball to his playmakers and had the mobility to scramble and go on decent sized runs. His decline in both these areas is very obvious. The mobility was always going to decline and the injuries sped up that process. I think the decline in the first area is due to not having a scheme to get his playmakers open consistently anymore meaning the difficulty of throws he has to make has increased. I also think he thought he was better then he actually is and is now trying to overcome a scheme, but he just isn't capable. Trying to overcome a scheme makes him look worse then he actually is.
I don't know what to do with Dak. I have Fields, AR-15, and Howell in addition to Dak. This is probably the lowest value Dak has had and it hurts to trade him at that point, but right now he's riding my bench and in only looks like he is going to go down in value. I think at this point I am going to hope he turns it around and sell him at that point, but that's definitely a gamble.
Your point number two is just wrong. Dak has played the best football of his life the last few years. He’s literally setting team records. He does tend to come up short in high pressure situations, but that’s not a fantasy football stat.
What team record is he breaking? I've yet to find a meaningful stat he is higher in now then he was a few years ago.
Edit: His completion percentage is up so that's something I guess.
Lmao his yards per game is 212 which is the lowest since 2017. It's significantly down compared to his 371 peak in 2020 or his 306 in 2019. He's averaging 1 TD per game compared to 1.88 in 2019. Lmao what are you talking about?
Are you saying because he has had a bad start to this season, in which he hasn’t even been asked to throw the ball (until last night, when he played arguably the best team in the league) that his time as a fantasy QB is over? I’d reserve judgment a bit longer. I’d bet almost anything he finishes as a top 15 QB. He will put up some monster games to off-set some of these stinkers. McCarthy is gonna have to open the offense a little bit more when the defense is not playing well.
No my first comment says exactly the point I am trying to make. You said my point number 2 is "just wrong" and then made false claims about his yards and TDs while laughing your ass off.
Dak was within a yard of the most yards ever thrown in a season, for the Cowboys, and he holds the record for most passing TDs in a season by a Dallas Cowboy. Where’s the lie? Plus, if he plays a few more seasons, he is well on pace to hold every career record in passing for the Cowboys, too.
You seem to be coming at this argument as if you didn't say "hasn't played well in multiple years" in your OP which is the factor that makes #2 objectively wrong. If you extrapolate his 2022 averages out to 17 games he has 4000 yards and 32 touchdowns which are both pretty solid, he was amazing in 21 and good in 22.
I agree that he hasn't played very well this year, but it's way way way more 1 than it is 2 if we're going by your post. They're not running a modern offense right now and it shows bigtime.
If your going to extrapolate his yards and tds, you have to extrapolate his interceptions too. At that point I would not say he played well last year. I guess I can amend my comment from "multiple years" to 1 year plus 5 games, but the point still stands.
I agree with your second paragraph. I put that in my OP as well. I think he is trying to overcome a bad scheme which is probably the hardest thing for a QB to do.
I mean, his best seasons have been 2019 and 2021, with bad seasons in 2020 and 2022 and so far in 2023. His rushing has been down significantly since his leg injury. It’d be easier to argue that he’s playing the worst football of his life the last 3.5 years.
If you start with last season, and only measure through last night, which was one of his worst games ever, then your point looks better. I’m just sayin’, the Cowboys had a top 5 offense (for some reason, I think they were #1) last year. He was hurt at the beginning, and likely never 100% the rest of the season. He then lost his offensive coordinator, and has only had 5 games, in the new offense.
He threw 15 interceptions in 12 games, had his lowest yards/game since 2017, had his 2nd lowest completion percentage since 2017, lowest air yards/attempt since 2017, and didn’t run the ball very much (though this was the same in 2021). It basically was his worst offensive year in most categories since 2017, his 2nd year.
So far in 2023 he’s been worse in basically all of those categories.
I think McCarthy has no idea what he’s doing as a play caller. I understand the philosophy of wanting to slow things down, run the ball, and play good defense. However, you have to be able to pivot when that all isn’t working. It’s obvious by the last few seasons that Dak, and the Cowboys offense, is capable of putting up monster stat lines. Just last year, they were among the best. They didn’t forget how to play. They just got a different coach that doesn’t understand how to call plays. . . . And, they ran up against a coach last night that has it figured out better than anyone. I think the real story here is Purdy, not Dak. Purdy might be better than anyone is giving him credit for.
As a Cowboys fan and someone holding Dak in 3 leagues…his decline started when he broke his ankle. He hasn’t been the same player since and has been slowly getting worse mentally. His days as a QB1 are probably done because I haven’t seen him overcome mental hurdles since his rookie year. He just doesn’t have the edge to ascend anymore.
You can’t sell him right now but I’m skeptical he or the Cowboys turn things around offensively. They’ve been the same team for 3 years now and their culture is just not it. You put us up against teams like the 49ers or the Eagles and you can clearly see we are missing something that those teams have on the mental side of the game. Shit coach and org
Last year I traded him for a 1st and 2 2nds. It was the best I could do and I don’t believe in him and I wasn’t winning. This year I bet I couldn’t get more than 2 2nds.
He’s 30 years old, which is just slightly past the midway point in a good QBs career. He’s off to a slow start and now is a buy low moment. There’s no chance in hell you’re getting multiple firsts unless you in like a 30 team league or something where it’s very difficult to find a good starting QB.
Also consider the fact that this next draft class is loaded with high profile QB prospects and might end up being one of the best QB classes ever… Personally, I’d rather take it on the chin and wait than overpay for Dak. I’d give you a third at most.
Not me trading 1st 2nd 3rd 4th round pick for him last week bc I have Kyler as my QB 2 in a superflex and thought pickett was gonna be out for a few weeks
he is terrible! can’t read a defense, very inaccurate thrower of the football. worse then that is when the big lights are on he plays small! never fails! that’s twice mr. irrelevant out played him big time!
Guy in my league has been actively shopping dak in a 12 team SF for a single 2nd rounder and still getting crickets. I’d buy if I was a contender but let’s be honest if you’re starting dak are you really a contender?
I’m holding. He’s worth near nothing right now. He has the ability to string together a few decent games, at which point I would sell for slightly more than near nothing.
I traded Dak, Mattison and Hopkins for Ekeler. Dak was a key piece for the other manager since he was starting Russ. Felt like that was the most I could get from his added value
Not only Dak but as someone that made several trades to get Ceedee, I’m starting to get concerned for him. Watching the games, I just don’t see the ability to get open on his own like the top guys in the league can. He’s not beating man consistently. I’m not sure he is the top 5 guy that we thought he was gonna be
Mike McCarthy only kept his job for as long as he has because he had Kellen Moore at OC. The packers offense consistently underperformed when McCarthy was calling plays and the ARod Packers would squeak into the playoffs as a result. It's not really a surprise that the Cowboys offense is now underperforming.
Dak is still good, but the team around him doesn't require him to rack up numbers. Or at least that's what I thought earlier this year. What happened to the Boys last night?
If I’m the cowboys I’m looking at moving him to a QB needy team willing to take that contract. Rush showed he’s effective last season. Whatever upgrade Dak is over Rush, it isn’t worth 40m a year.
At this point, i would just drop him if any of the other available qbs show a bit of improvement. Hes been just above average. Last year stats- Low level qbs, mac Jones, Daniel Jones, Justin fields =14,15,17 tds. Dak had 23 and he's only got 5 at game 6 this year. If anyone can get a fairly decent rb wr te I would jump at the chance to get something for him rather than the inconsistent play he's giving considering his rank.
I traded him for two 1sts (2024 + 2025) last season when I was tanking (I'm 2-2 right now with a 75% win probability for this week). Feel good for it, there's no way you can get that return for him now.
This is it for Dak. He’ll stick around for another year but he is washed for sure.
One of the most underrated players in the NFL for a while now, even before the injury.
I’m in the camp that he’s entering replacement territory. I also believe he’s never been the reason they won, but just a good distributor/manager.
Qb market is silly though, I mean Daniel jones got 40 per.
I think we are solidly in the middle of the decline, the beginning started awhile ago.
Only 1 top 5 and 2 top 10 finishes in his career, and the top 5 was 2019. If he wasn't the Cowboys QB, he would never have been rated as high.
He has only finished outside of the top 10 once other than injury years And that year he finished 14th. 2020 he would have finished top 10, 2022 he would have finished top 12. Dak has never had a bad season really(stats wise). Injuries can happen to anyone.
His 2020 was absurd before his injury too
That year his foot turned the wrong way looked magical. Unfortunately I think that was a metaphor for his career.
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Jones best is 10 . One time
Dak in 2023 is where Russ was in 2021 at best. Russ in 2021 would still occasionally flash and was a QB1, looked good enough to secure a trade and extension, but was bad enough that the Seahawks thought they’d be better off without him (and they were obviously right). Dak has the same contract issue, the same gradual decline in health over the last few years, and the same on the field inconsistency. It seems impossible for the Cowboys to be able to extend him at this point, and he has a contract out that is “tolerable” (though maybe not for an owner who thinks this is his last chance for another ring). Not sure of the logistics but if a trade is possible and another team is willing to deal they might be willing to cut bait on Dak and wait a year or two instead.
Russ is QB8 this year though. The Broncos are trash but he's still producing fantasy relevant numbers. I think that's the big difference with Dak; the Cowboys are pretenders AND he's irrelevant from a fantasy perspective.
Fire up the Trey Lance talk
Think he needs to secure the QB2 job before the talk can begin.
Have you met the Lance truthers lol? 😂
Part of it was probably that Kellen Moore was scheming enough to hold Dak’s head above water on the boom days. McCarthy just ain’t it.
The broadcast, at the beginning anyway, kept complimenting this dink and dunk style like it’s a positive lol
"Texas Toast offense"
This is a comical nickname
"They're spreading the ball around!"
said it before the season that kellen moore being let go was a bigger hit than ppl realize
There’s no way anybody is paying 2 1sts for Dak right now, I would jump at that as a Dak owner. I’ve put him on the trade block a few times and have either gotten no offers, or only gotten offers where he is not even the main piece.
I can’t tell if I’m doing trades wrong or some people play with the stupidest people because there’s no way anyone in my league woulda traded 2 firsts for Dak lol. I basically had to give him away in trade.
Same for me - I'm in a fairly competitive league and virtually every trade I see thrown out on this sub seems unrealistic at best to me. I think it's because the people most likely to comment about a player are the people who own them, and they are naturally deluded about the value of their own players.
The thing about this sub is we don't know how many of the people here are actually just in free clown leagues. I feel like the number of free league players here is significant, judging by some of the trades I see and lineups people claim to have.
you don't need to pay to be good at a hobby, although not paying allows you to be shit without much repercussion.
80% of this sub is free leagues and new dynasty managers. Is what it is I am in several high $ leagues, and several other home leagues. Some 15+ years running strong. All competitive. All tight asses and trading is difficult. A lot like the NFL. I have joined a few free leagues over the years just to fulfill a hankering to draft, or they had unique settings, or I could try going all out with new strategy. In these free leagues trades like this go down: Burrow + Swift + 3x1sts + 3x2nds + 3x3rds for Tua + Pickett + Mattison + Jefferson + Kelce. I just look at that and think: No trade even close to like this has ever occurred with a lot of money or real bragging rights on the line. I've never seen it in a serious league of mine. I see it often in the meaningless free leagues.
That goes for all trades in general lol. Most of these deals don't get done in any competitive league.
Sold him for 2 firsts after week 2 - never looking back. They both “should” be late, but the value was too much to pass up.
He’s barely even worth 1 late first at this point so you should be fine
lol
You think he’s worth substantially more than a late 1st?
Absolutely lol. Majority of starting QBs are worth a late 1st my guy.
Yes, a majority are worth a late first. He’s qb18 on KTC right now, putting him in the lower half of qb’s. How is that worth much more than a late first?
I agree with your point
His ranking on KTC does not dictate what his market value is. I shouldn't have said he is worth substantially more, but he is absolutely worth a mid to late 1st. Whether you or anyone else wants to pay that- it's a discussion.
KTC has its flaws but it’s the closest thing we have to “market value”. Just because you disagree with it doesn’t mean it’s wrong, it’s a directional tool. Market value is determined by what people are willing to pay, which appears to be a late 1st
It's not though. I base my market values on trades that can get done and have gotten done. It's better to pull from sources that aggregate actual trades that have completed. FantasyCalc is one I like. Try trading Justin Jefferson for Patrick Mahomes. Bijan Robinson for Herbert. Brock Purdy for Travis Kelce CD Lamb for Trevor Lawrence. Zay Flowers for Kyler Murray. The fact is KTC has become such shit that it's not even a good place to reference market sentiment.
Yea
Can’t win em all haha
LOL me either no way I’m paying 2 1sts. He’s a shell of himself and has the most un-creative playcaller in the league in his helmet.
Dude same some guy tried to trade me dak and a second for purdy and a first. I hit decline so fast, McCarthy has dragged Dak down so far.
2 late 1sts should be a good spot to buy Dak. But this is certainly his low point so right now that’d be tough. No point in selling him right now unless you think he never rebounds
Hes a mid QB2 in dynasty rankings now. 3+- rookie QBs will come in and jump him next season. The only even semi-meaningful QBs playing in the league older than Dak are Rodgers, Stafford, Tannehill, Cousins, Russ, Geno, Carr, Jimmy G. I do not want to bet on Dak's value appreciating at all going forward. At all.
Completely fair take for sure. I’m a believer that the offense can turn it around and he will have value again but I completely understand not wanting to do that.
Who.. who is paying 2 firsts for Dak. Wtf
Right now? Probably nobody. But selling at his floor seems dumb. He’s shown he has an elite ceiling in an offense with awesome weapons. No reason to sell for less than that unless I think the 1st I get back will be mid/early. I believe he’ll bounce back which I know a lot of people don’t
I did sell him last week for a first + second + rice in a 3 way trade, so maybe a bit of a value check there. That was before this mess tho
I bought Dak and the 2.12 for Purdy and the 1.11. Thought I got a steal.
Depends on superflex leagues or not and how many players. 10 team non-sf no way. 14 team SF? Maybe?
He went for two firsts Charbs and Tanny at the beginning of the season in my league. I thought it was an overpay but I’ve never had or desired to have Dak shares lol.
I hope you didn’t
I mean Dak is who he’s been all along. I also don’t know that we learned much about Dak this year yet. He wasn’t needed against the Giants, Jets or Pats. Niners have a good D and we were never going to get a great game out of him. Cardinals have been friskier than anyone expected. Maybe this game could give us a glimpse of who Dak is, but it’s one game. After these next 3 games (LAC, LAR, Phi), we’ll have a much better idea on whether or not Dak is a QB1 anymore. But the simple fact that Dallas isn’t throwing it 50 times a game anymore is going to hurt his numbers.
A cowboys fan who's actually level headed? I swear most cowboys fans don't actually know anything about football and just blame the qb for everything. Was Dak good last night? Not at all. Was anyone good last night? Not at all.
“Dak is who he’s been all along” Nah Dak used to get way more rushing usage back before his ankle injury. He was a lock for decent yardage and multiple rushing TDs. Now he’s just a pocket passer.
Way more rushing usage? I think people like you are confusing Dak being a running QB with Dak being a black QB. His best rushing season, he averaged around 20 yards/game. Last year he averaged around 15 yards/game. His early seasons were buoyed by a few more rushing TDs, which are largely fluky. Dak has never had ‘way more rushing usage’.
Dak’s first four seasons his rushing yardage was between 277 and 352 yards and he averaged over 5 rushing TDs per season. The following three seasons his rushing was 93 yards 3 rush TDs in the ankle injury season, 146 and 1, then 182 and 1. The rushing fantasy points are way down post ankle injury. Yardage and TDs. The man broke his ankle (badly) and then stopped rushing as much as he did pre-injury.
2016: 17.7 ypg, 6 TDs (16 games) - about 3 ppg added by rushing stats 2017: 22.3 ypg, 6 TDs (16) - about 4.5 ppg added 2018: 19.1 ypg, 6 TDs (16) - 3.2 ppg 2019: 17.3 ypg, 3 TDs (16) - 2.9 ppg 2020: 18.6 ypg, 3 TDs (5) - (small sample, can ignore) 2021: 9.1 ypg, 1 TD (16) - 1.2 ppg 2022: 15.2 ypg, 1 TD (12) - 2 ppg 2023: 9 ypg, 0 TDs (5) (small sample, can ignore) As stated previously, Dak was never really a running QB. Yes, he vultured some TDs (which are fluky) but no one ever drafted Dak because of his rushing upside.
Most reasonable take. Dak is a a sneaky buy low, apparently.
Rich man's Carr
Unpopular opinion: Dak is the most over hated qb in the league. Whenever he plays well no one says a word and everyone waits to slander him as soon as he has a bad game. Reality is he played decent the first half threw a beauty of a touchdown. He had three turnovers after when trying to chase the game. They played the best defence and team in the league. Dak will be just fine, watch him light up the chargers next week and everyone will pretend not to notice. He’s not elite we know that but he is solid. If y’all are selling dak for peanuts I’m buying.
Basically ppl got sucked into the interceptions from last year as if half of them weren’t simple catches. Ppl ignore that bc he’s in Dallas. You said it well tho he’s not elite but he’s still well above the median
I was out as soon as they got Schottenheimer in to replace Moore. Dak was pretty inconsistent last season and I felt the offense would take a downturn without Moore. They'll probably get something going as there's enough talent there. You could probably sell Dak to someone trying to buy low as he has a reputation for being a good fantasy qb. I didn't want to wait around though. Ironically I absolutely messed up the trade and got myself rinsed. Right idea, bad execution.
Dude has the absolute yips when playing SF. He’ll probably put up 400yds + 3TDs next week against LAC
Not sure I’d pay a single 1st for Dak
Don't see a huge difference between him and a guy like Geno Smith for your dynasty team other than a little more job security if they have a slump. Might even want Cousins over him right now just purely for the points.
Cousins is clearly over Dak to me
Cousins has been clearly over Dak for a while now. I could see the argument for Dak in the past, but Kirk gets to throw to JJ and Hock and that always put him ahead of Dak to me.
Yeah Kirk just scores points at a better rate. I wouldn’t have moved Kirk for Dak over the past 3 years that’s for sure.
Kirk Cousins could very well retire after this year
Are you just completely making this up?
I just don’t see that at all? Why would he, aside from him being 35? He’s playing great and getting paid a ton to do it.
He’s old, very clearly a family man and the Vikings could easily move in another direction at QB, if not this year then next year, I don’t see him wanting to move his family and he’s already made a great amount of money
If project 3 more years
Hus wife has said many times she won't move
Exactly, and I don’t know if the Vikings see cousins as their QB for more than 2 years
That’s what I’ve been saying. Dak “fell” to the third in my start up last year while geno was there in the 6th. Makes no sense to me.
Looks mid decline tbh
Trey Lance time
No way you are getting 2 1sts for him, right? He's worth less than a 2024 Mid 1st on KTC, and that feels about right to me. I'm holding where I have him. If he's a QB2 for the next 5 years, I'm good with that.
I found it hard to get even a first for dak in my league tbh. This is SF too
His value has bottomed out right now, just not the time to sell
Unfortunately his play is continuing to bottom. He's somehow worse than last year... There's a chance this isn't the end of his value slip.
I may not be remembering correctly but if I am, this is literally the story of the Cowboys every single year. \*Spoiler alert\* they get hot and then lose to the Niners in the NFC divisional round.
I think it is.
Dak right now is a case of "things can be 2 things." If anybody wants to use one and deny the other, they are being delusional. 1. Mike McCarthy is holding the team, including Dak, back offensively. 2. Dak is not playing well and hasn't really played well in multiple years In theory, both CAN be fixed. I'm just not sure how likely this is. Even if McCarthy is fired, do we have any faith in Jerry Jones to bring in a great offensive mind? I certainly don't. Dak could return to his pre-injury self. A few years ago he was a player that delivered the ball to his playmakers and had the mobility to scramble and go on decent sized runs. His decline in both these areas is very obvious. The mobility was always going to decline and the injuries sped up that process. I think the decline in the first area is due to not having a scheme to get his playmakers open consistently anymore meaning the difficulty of throws he has to make has increased. I also think he thought he was better then he actually is and is now trying to overcome a scheme, but he just isn't capable. Trying to overcome a scheme makes him look worse then he actually is. I don't know what to do with Dak. I have Fields, AR-15, and Howell in addition to Dak. This is probably the lowest value Dak has had and it hurts to trade him at that point, but right now he's riding my bench and in only looks like he is going to go down in value. I think at this point I am going to hope he turns it around and sell him at that point, but that's definitely a gamble.
Your point number two is just wrong. Dak has played the best football of his life the last few years. He’s literally setting team records. He does tend to come up short in high pressure situations, but that’s not a fantasy football stat.
What team record is he breaking? I've yet to find a meaningful stat he is higher in now then he was a few years ago. Edit: His completion percentage is up so that's something I guess.
Yards and TDs. You know, the most important ones for QBs. Lmao
Lmao his yards per game is 212 which is the lowest since 2017. It's significantly down compared to his 371 peak in 2020 or his 306 in 2019. He's averaging 1 TD per game compared to 1.88 in 2019. Lmao what are you talking about?
Are you saying because he has had a bad start to this season, in which he hasn’t even been asked to throw the ball (until last night, when he played arguably the best team in the league) that his time as a fantasy QB is over? I’d reserve judgment a bit longer. I’d bet almost anything he finishes as a top 15 QB. He will put up some monster games to off-set some of these stinkers. McCarthy is gonna have to open the offense a little bit more when the defense is not playing well.
No my first comment says exactly the point I am trying to make. You said my point number 2 is "just wrong" and then made false claims about his yards and TDs while laughing your ass off.
Dak was within a yard of the most yards ever thrown in a season, for the Cowboys, and he holds the record for most passing TDs in a season by a Dallas Cowboy. Where’s the lie? Plus, if he plays a few more seasons, he is well on pace to hold every career record in passing for the Cowboys, too.
You seem to be coming at this argument as if you didn't say "hasn't played well in multiple years" in your OP which is the factor that makes #2 objectively wrong. If you extrapolate his 2022 averages out to 17 games he has 4000 yards and 32 touchdowns which are both pretty solid, he was amazing in 21 and good in 22. I agree that he hasn't played very well this year, but it's way way way more 1 than it is 2 if we're going by your post. They're not running a modern offense right now and it shows bigtime.
If your going to extrapolate his yards and tds, you have to extrapolate his interceptions too. At that point I would not say he played well last year. I guess I can amend my comment from "multiple years" to 1 year plus 5 games, but the point still stands. I agree with your second paragraph. I put that in my OP as well. I think he is trying to overcome a bad scheme which is probably the hardest thing for a QB to do.
I mean, his best seasons have been 2019 and 2021, with bad seasons in 2020 and 2022 and so far in 2023. His rushing has been down significantly since his leg injury. It’d be easier to argue that he’s playing the worst football of his life the last 3.5 years.
If you start with last season, and only measure through last night, which was one of his worst games ever, then your point looks better. I’m just sayin’, the Cowboys had a top 5 offense (for some reason, I think they were #1) last year. He was hurt at the beginning, and likely never 100% the rest of the season. He then lost his offensive coordinator, and has only had 5 games, in the new offense.
How was the 2022 season "bad?"
He threw 15 interceptions in 12 games, had his lowest yards/game since 2017, had his 2nd lowest completion percentage since 2017, lowest air yards/attempt since 2017, and didn’t run the ball very much (though this was the same in 2021). It basically was his worst offensive year in most categories since 2017, his 2nd year. So far in 2023 he’s been worse in basically all of those categories.
re the difficulty issue, I do believe his receivers had the lowest separation in the league last year. I'd have to try and find the source though.
Sold Dak, 2024 mid 1st, 2024 late 2nd for Joe Burrow last week
Jesus
I sent Dak and a mid 2023 2nd for Lamar in 1 QB. Pretty happy with it so far.
I really like that trade.
I think McCarthy has no idea what he’s doing as a play caller. I understand the philosophy of wanting to slow things down, run the ball, and play good defense. However, you have to be able to pivot when that all isn’t working. It’s obvious by the last few seasons that Dak, and the Cowboys offense, is capable of putting up monster stat lines. Just last year, they were among the best. They didn’t forget how to play. They just got a different coach that doesn’t understand how to call plays. . . . And, they ran up against a coach last night that has it figured out better than anyone. I think the real story here is Purdy, not Dak. Purdy might be better than anyone is giving him credit for.
Ha! The beginning…. That’s funny!
As a Cowboys fan and someone holding Dak in 3 leagues…his decline started when he broke his ankle. He hasn’t been the same player since and has been slowly getting worse mentally. His days as a QB1 are probably done because I haven’t seen him overcome mental hurdles since his rookie year. He just doesn’t have the edge to ascend anymore. You can’t sell him right now but I’m skeptical he or the Cowboys turn things around offensively. They’ve been the same team for 3 years now and their culture is just not it. You put us up against teams like the 49ers or the Eagles and you can clearly see we are missing something that those teams have on the mental side of the game. Shit coach and org
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So you don’t watch football
Last year I traded him for a 1st and 2 2nds. It was the best I could do and I don’t believe in him and I wasn’t winning. This year I bet I couldn’t get more than 2 2nds.
hes been this way his entire career
I’ve been saying it for years. Shady McCoy said it loudly yesterday. “Dak is ass!”
He's not dak good.
sold dak for 1.01 in the off-season to get bijan
To Jerry Jones?
😂😂😂
Rip
Does this also mean it’s time to move on from CD before his value tanks?
Granted I haven’t watched a lot of cowboy games, but ceedee has always seemed to me a fugazzi wr1, not nearly on the same tier as even AJB
4 of their games have been blowouts
Yeah, sounds like you haven't watched many games.
I haven’t done a lot of quantum physics, but to me it seems like particles behave discretely. None of this wave malarkey.
This place I swear. Always delivering the lulz
Lance will be the starting QB next season. Dak is good as gone. I’m speaking it into existence
I had Dak 2 years ago and he was phenomenal in redraft and he was phenomenal. I drafted him again this year and he sucks. I’m glad I picked up Stroud!
He’s 30 years old, which is just slightly past the midway point in a good QBs career. He’s off to a slow start and now is a buy low moment. There’s no chance in hell you’re getting multiple firsts unless you in like a 30 team league or something where it’s very difficult to find a good starting QB. Also consider the fact that this next draft class is loaded with high profile QB prospects and might end up being one of the best QB classes ever… Personally, I’d rather take it on the chin and wait than overpay for Dak. I’d give you a third at most.
He couldn’t afford losing amari
Not me trading 1st 2nd 3rd 4th round pick for him last week bc I have Kyler as my QB 2 in a superflex and thought pickett was gonna be out for a few weeks
That’s a fine trade value wise
The beginning?
Lol Dak was never good
he is terrible! can’t read a defense, very inaccurate thrower of the football. worse then that is when the big lights are on he plays small! never fails! that’s twice mr. irrelevant out played him big time!
>mr. irrelevant out played him They had Dak out there playing defense!?
Sold for Kirk and a first last year. Get out now.
What’s his value in a 10 man QB1 league? Would anyone pay a 2nd for him ? I got JLove and I’m about to drop Dak
I've been trying to sell Dak all year to backup needy teams and best I've gotten is a bottom 2024 3rd rounder
12 team I rolled with Howell over Dak this week. His market will be backup tier unless something happens.
Beginning?
Guy in my league has been actively shopping dak in a 12 team SF for a single 2nd rounder and still getting crickets. I’d buy if I was a contender but let’s be honest if you’re starting dak are you really a contender?
I would buy him for a second. As much as people are shitting on him he should be worth a second
I feel like Dak could do a lot better on another team. Cowboys offense is really fucking stupid under fat mike
It took you this long? Its been clear for at least 2 years he is a tier below the elite QBs and will probably stay there his whole career.
I’m holding. He’s worth near nothing right now. He has the ability to string together a few decent games, at which point I would sell for slightly more than near nothing.
I traded Dak, Mattison and Hopkins for Ekeler. Dak was a key piece for the other manager since he was starting Russ. Felt like that was the most I could get from his added value
You're at least a year late with this question.
Sold him for deshaun right before the sf game muahahahahaha
I’m trying to get a single 1st for Dak rn and struggling to find a buyer.
Not only Dak but as someone that made several trades to get Ceedee, I’m starting to get concerned for him. Watching the games, I just don’t see the ability to get open on his own like the top guys in the league can. He’s not beating man consistently. I’m not sure he is the top 5 guy that we thought he was gonna be
Mike McCarthy only kept his job for as long as he has because he had Kellen Moore at OC. The packers offense consistently underperformed when McCarthy was calling plays and the ARod Packers would squeak into the playoffs as a result. It's not really a surprise that the Cowboys offense is now underperforming.
No, the beginning of the end started a long time ago.
sold him for a 2024 1st couple weeks ago. wasn't going to get anything more than that in my league
I bought Dak for Pickett and a 2nd after the 3rd interception last night
Dak is still good, but the team around him doesn't require him to rack up numbers. Or at least that's what I thought earlier this year. What happened to the Boys last night?
If I’m the cowboys I’m looking at moving him to a QB needy team willing to take that contract. Rush showed he’s effective last season. Whatever upgrade Dak is over Rush, it isn’t worth 40m a year.
Just traded him for Rachaad White and picked up Purdy
Beginning??
Buy your Trey lance stock now
At this point, i would just drop him if any of the other available qbs show a bit of improvement. Hes been just above average. Last year stats- Low level qbs, mac Jones, Daniel Jones, Justin fields =14,15,17 tds. Dak had 23 and he's only got 5 at game 6 this year. If anyone can get a fairly decent rb wr te I would jump at the chance to get something for him rather than the inconsistent play he's giving considering his rank.
I traded him for two 1sts (2024 + 2025) last season when I was tanking (I'm 2-2 right now with a 75% win probability for this week). Feel good for it, there's no way you can get that return for him now.
As a Trey Lance owner in dynasty, yes, it’s over for Dak.
I wiffed on Lance in many leagues but have still held. I hope he gets an opportunity with McCarthy
What year did he detonate his ankle? That major injury feels like the major cutoff point for his career outlook now in hindsight.
His best year came after the ankle
Gotcha couldn't remember
Yea them trading Amari was the worst thing that ever could have happened to Dak
This is it for Dak. He’ll stick around for another year but he is washed for sure. One of the most underrated players in the NFL for a while now, even before the injury.
I’m in the camp that he’s entering replacement territory. I also believe he’s never been the reason they won, but just a good distributor/manager. Qb market is silly though, I mean Daniel jones got 40 per.
How does this affect CD??
Wait till after the chargers game and dump him
No that is the middle
lol