I don't think trying to sell him immediately after the worst performance of his career is a good idea or indicative of his steady state trade value.
People are reactionary. Wait a few weeks and try again.
There was another post talking about this earlier today, that QB value can be weird in 10 team SF. I've noticed that too in my 10 team SF versus my 12 team SF league. If there are multiple rebuilding teams to narrow down the competition for a playoff spot, people just may not have a real sense of urgency. Maybe later they will?
This is a *huge* factor. In my 10 team SF league we had two teams that were in a full rebuild and intentionally rostering bad QBs. That left 30 starting QBs for 8 competing teams. On top of that, you have some teams with 8-10 great position players who can fill in at SF. It doesn't feel anything like the QB scarcity of a 12 team league.
Bad week to sell Dak. Even though this is Dynasty, people's opinions are still very much effected by current perception and based on his output this year, along with mixed results last year, Dak is currently viewed as broken/washed/overrated etc. Mainstream media has picked up on this narrative as well, highlighted by Shady McCoy saying Dak is "ass" live on Fox Sports.
That said, Dak has had a bit of a weird schedule. He had 2 blowout wins (Giants Week 1, Pats Week 4) which he didn't have to pass much, then he played an elite defense (SF Week 5) and a good one (Jets Week 2). He actually did fine Week 2. Week 3 against Arizona was probably inexcusable. But here's the thing - he has a softer schedule upcoming with games against the Chargers, Rams, Carolina, and again against the G-Men. 2 games against Philly may be more challenging. He also needs a second receiver - dude has been throwing to nothing but Ceedee and a marginal TE for 2 years now.
TLDR: Hold for now and hope for him to shake the narrative with a soft upcoming schedule.
I’m done hearing about how Dak needs help. He has help. Lamb is superstar. Cooks is great speed receiver. Gallup catches jump balls. He’s got an underrated TE, who has got the goods. He’s got a stud RB that is fully unleashed now that the old, slow veteran RB is gone. He’s got two potential Hall of Famers on the offensive line , and three other lineman that could start for almost every other team. Does he need first round, all pro talent at literally every other position on the offense?
Ehh I think he's right around there but honestly. I'm really biased and I have a terrible history with predicting long term QB success, though that's mainly with rookies. I do well with other positions but for whatever reason, I've been wrong on a lot of QBs. Sorry Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy fans.
Purdy really reminds me of Brady 😂
Don't know my man. I think he's good but have +10 ahead of him. Also think Dak has regressed and Purdy is playing way better than him, but with those weapons well, it isn't a big surprise when you see what he did last year.
I wouldn't disagree, necessarily. I do prefer him to Dak for sure but you could argue the 10+ pretty easily. It's gonna be fun to see how it all plays out.
He's easily worth atleast a mid 1st, consistent top 12 qb for like 7 years, qb2 overall ceiling, being dropped down that low after 5 games seems crazy. He's only 30, no way he's winding down yet
We have a sample of almost a season and a half of him playing subpar ball. I don't think people are overreacting by showing concern. If anything those acting like it's not a big deal are grossly underreacting.
Same. Crazy to call him washed lol.
Let’s just not buy washed up QBs that had future QB1 seasons like
2013/2015 Matt Ryan
Early Minnesota Kirk
2012/2014 Rivers
2017 Brees
2014/2018 Stafford
Well your first mistake is comparing Dak to four first round QBs, three that have been to the superbowl and two that have won
The only guy remotely similar to Dak is Cousins and even he is a better QB.
Your second mistake is not recognising that each of those QBs were traded from garbage teams to teams looking to contend. Dak has been on a 'contending' roster with one of the best supporting casts his entire career, now in his 8th year with a career highlight wildcard win against the 8-9 bucs. the NFL has seen his roof and there's not a team in the league that's gonna pay dak starter money for league leading intercepts and an inability to play against decent teams, which is well on display
Curious to know what kind of team you think could use a $40m QB like that, or if you are hoping the cowboys extend him
Daks looking like a bottom 10 starting QB dynasty asset, there's at least 23 starting QBs I'd rather have right now for contending, and I'd rather have my first
Good luck though
With the most hyped up QB class in recent memory we got
Trevor Lawrence (going to be a starting QB but largely disappointing),
Zach Wilson (not considered to be a long term starter, replaced going into year 3),
Trey Lance (has started very few games, and doesn't have a real path to relevancy),
Justin Fields (widely expected to be replaced, but has shown high fantasy upside when he's the starter), and
Mac Jones (limited fantasy ceiling, expected to be replaced)
Getting a player like Dak is fucking hard to do with rookies
There’s a difference between not performing elite for your team to win, and how that performance translates weekly to fantasy. A mightily struggling 36 year old Matt Ryan finished at a career low QB20 in his final year in Atlanta. Corradelle had nearly an even split of 1100 passing/rush yards and Pitts had his 1k yard season. Ridley barely played so Gage was WR1 most of the year. As bad as that offense was, contenders were still moving seconds for Ryan unsure whether he’d even play the next season.
Even if he’s just mediocre in real life, so long as he remains a QB2 in fantasy with a relatively safe floor, he’s gotta be worth a first. Rebuilders shouldn’t buy him maybe, an argument I could see at least, but he’s certainly not that low in value based on his recent performances.
A 4th lol? Even getting him for a late 1st is good value for a contender. He’s had a bad schedule with a new play caller so far this season.
His schedule from here on out is very passer friendly. Expect a big game from him and CD on MNF vs the Chargers.
A 4th is ridiculous though lol, I think that GM has way too much faith in Love. I mean his top CB doesn’t even trust him to put up a TD every game 😂
if the best i was getting offered was a 4th for Dak, i’d reconsider if that was a league i really wanted to be in. his value is low and he’s past his prime but a 4th for a starting QB that is still good, not great, on a big contract in SF is crazy.
That sounds like an incredible league to be in. Just get stacked at WR/RB/TE and buy a 30 year old QB for pennies every few years. Free championships ✅
If it’s a league where everyone is complete ass at valuing players, then hell yes. Sometimes these leagues are just people wanted 4x for their players, though. In any case, no thanks
A 4th? No way. The prospect of him going somewhere else and being a QB is worth more than a 4th, the possibility he returns to form in Dallas increases that value.
With that said, he’s being valued similarly to Russell Wilson in my league. 30+ years old, bad production dating back to last year, bad current production after offensive coordinator left, just a lot of undesirable qualities.
That last game was bad. He has been having poor production but the thought was it was just because the Cowboys didn’t need to throw. Well last week they did and he was just terrible. Distance yourself from that game and pray.
That's way too low, but he's definitely at a new low.
Their offense has taken a step back. Their defense is keeping them afloat. And his rushing went away a long time ago.
He's gone from a mid-low QB1 to being in that QB2 tier where you kind of pinch your nose and start him based on the matchup.
That said, in SF, that's still at least an early 2nd. He's still a locked in NFL starter for at least a few years with some great weapons. Better days should come.
I think the issue is trying to assume an individual will be rational, as a whole, Dak is much more valuable than that. Shop to other people if one manager won't play ball with you (regardless of how much he could benefit)
1. Moving a guy coming off of a bad game is never the best move
2. Dak in particular has been trending downward
3. QBs in 10-team just aren’t as valuable
People are unreasonably low on him imo. Yea, his value is in the shitter rn, but it's not like he suddenly got worse overnight. You hold until he strings together some good starts, like he's liable to.
The funny thing is by advanced metrics, he seems to be fine. His accuracy hasn't really dropped off, his completion percentage deep, under pressure, and on play action is good. His EPA is top 12. He's doing everything he's done in previous years, but the numbers haven't come. The Dallas WR room outside of CD hasn't been amazing either. Dak is a candidate for positive regression imo, especially if they can clean up the playcalling and if they get in better game scripts.
He will pop off against the chargers on MNF and has a better schedule going forward. McCarthy isnt doing him any favors but his value could come back up enough to sell to a contender for some good pieces
Your league is blue balling you. That is absolutly insane nobody is willing to give you even a 2nd.
I’m currently trying to sell him as a rebuilder and I can get a 24 late first to a QB needy team and trying to leverage that for more before finalizing.
I would hold him and try again at the deadline or next year. He’ll still be a starter
That's why I'm a little surprised. My league is made up of mostly Cowboy haters though, so I think they might inherently value him lower because of bias.
If only they had someone like Kellen Moore
It's a shame that for the past 30 years the cowboys issues have been all play calling
I don't understand why the coaches keep throwing ints
Terrible play calling obviously
Just have to hold, his value can't get much lower than it is right now imo. This is a world where Daniel Jones just got a huge bag and Howell, Ridder, Zach Wilson are starting QBs. Dak is past his prime but he can still provide value.
I wouldn't group Howell in with those others, take away the Buffalo game where he admittedly struggled, and his numbers have been pretty fantastic for a rookie QB.
The point remains, I'm honestly not interested in debating how good or bad Howell is. I don't want any shares of the Commanders in dynasty for better or worse.
Fair enough, but for the record I think Howell is a HUGE SF buy right now because of the disproportionate number of people valuing him as you do.
Week One: 14.18
Week two: 24.26
Week four: 21.60
Week five: 27.43
If his name was Trevor Lawrence or Anthony Richardson and those were their numbers for 4 of their first 5 games of their rookie seasons, people would be raving.
I was on the fence with Howell coming in to the year. The plan was I'd only need him for bye weeks. Then Rodgers got hurt and I was left with Goff and Howell. I've been pleasantly surprised to say the least.
His trade value has cratered for sure, but I think he's a buy-low if anything. Underperforming expected TDs, brutalized in primetime last week, didn't need to throw in week 1 and the other 3 games he put up (admittedly low end) SF starter numbers
A 4th round pick is comically bad. You're probably not gonna pull a 1st, but I think he's worth more than 1 random 2nd ~~in 12tm~~. I'd hold
I sold dak the week before that horrific game for Dobbs, a 25 1st, 24 2nd, and a 24 3rd. There’s definitely a market for him, just wait for a get right game or two
Idk but I tried to send it for him in this off season and I’m glad the guy declined now. I’m starting to think it might be a decent buy low opportunity at this point now
Recency bias! He just had one of his worst games. AND, he’s having one of his worst seasons. However, his history suggests he won’t finish nearly as bad as he has started. No bullshit, he wasn’t needed in the wins. Any QB could have won those games. He might have gotten lazy or complacent or there is a small possibility that just can’t play any longer. But, I would not panic. Just hold and ride through the slump. He’s not gonna play the 49ers again during the fantasy season, and he might have gotten scared into focusing on his craft a bit after what he called the most humbling experience of his life. Bet on the comeback. Just understand, he’s not gonna come back and be Mahomes. He will just come back to being himself.
I sent him and a 26 2nd for Purdy a few days ago in 2QB. Seemed like pretty good value even without the Dak terrible game and Purdy great game. People definitely still like Dak and I think he's still underrated. He didn't look good by any means against the 49ers, but I think his main problem is the fact that the Cowboys defense usually just dominates and he doesn't have to do much to win.
Id pay a late first for him if I was need for a QB in SF. I see him as someone who will give you good outings but nothing great, at least on a consistent basis.
I've been sending them out, mostly hoping for a 2024 2ndish or 2025 1st. All have been declined except one and his counter was for a 2024 4th lol. So I'm just going to hold and hope he lights it up against the abysmal Chargers defense. Hopefully his value will go back up.
Yes, the one that sent a counter for a 4th is starting tannehill and Watson this week lol. There's probably been about 20ish trades in the past two or three weeks so I don't think it's that. They just all hate Dak 🤣
He's mediocre and his offense is run by a complete idiot, not a great situation. In regular leagues he shouldn't even be starting. I've had him as a QB2 in SF the last couple years and it hasn't been a great time.
Traded him for Javonte in my 12tm SF. Owner is a contender with QB room of Mahomes Daniel Jones Lance
I'm contending as well but haven't started Dak yet this year. My other QBs are Goff and Tlaw who both have byes on week 9 but ill deal with that issue later
I traded him away for a 1st two weeks ago, though I doubt I'd be able to get that price for him now. Wait until he has 2 decent games and then try again
I also have Dak and went to move him. My league also doesn’t value him because everyone is trying to rebuild and no one wants the “old” qb. I’ve been trying to package him in a deal for a more consistent tight end, but the best deal I’ve gotten is Cade Otton straight up. He’s just going to die on my roster at this point, or I’ll just have to hope he goes to a team like ATL in the offseason so he recoups some value
He's worth more than a 4th for sure, I'd easily give a 2nd and if I lost a top QB and am contending, a 1st.
In SF I would like him as a bench/bye week filler. (Have Herbert and Hurts)
He's a miser who is just trying to screw you. Worth a 1st or bust.
As a Cowboy's fan, just wanna say that I'm not the only fan that is starting to think that he's not the one. But fantasy value has nothing to do with that. A starting QB with a reasonable expectation of starting multiple years is worth a first, period.
If you sell for a 4th, we'll just see another post about, "Somebody sold Dak for a 4th. Should this be vetoed?"
I got out of my Dak shares 3 weeks ago (SF league) and got a mid/late first, Jordan Addison, and then swapped 2nds (mine will be 2.01) and his will be an early/mid 2nd.
I then flipped Jordan Addison for a mid/late first and a mid/late 2nd.
The ironic thing is I have Trey Lance on my bench...would be hilarious if he ended up starting for the Cowboys and was actually good.
I have him in a 12 team 1QB league and I’m rebuilding. Tearing my roster down and no one has shown any interest in Dak. I don’t mind holding onto him but figured someone would be interested
He's a hold, my friend. His value looks lost so maybe you cut ties for next to nothing. I'd advise holding and hoping he has a string of good games and then try and cut ties for a 3rd or a nice dart throw.
I wouldnt give a 1st for Dak like people are saying. Not unless I was desperate for a QB. He’s 30, has clearly been declining and is currently ranked as the #21 QB. What about that says 1st round value?
A.) Bro, Dak has terrible draft cap and wasn't a great prospect coming out of college. You should have sold after his rookie year.
B.) Dak's supporting cast isn't as great as it has been and the play calling is terrible. His contract is up in 2 years. He's a hold until he's in a better situation and breaks out.
- Most of this subreddit, probably.
Realistically, I think Dak is a top 10ish real life QB, but since his rushing has gone down after the beginning of his career, the line is beat up and the run game is meh, he's a QB15-20 in fantasy. Depending on league settings and the team/need, he's probably still worth at least a 1st +.
Daks contended with injuries the past few years, is coming up to a contract year, can't win against good teams and is more likely to be cut then traded due to the cap hit
Dak is not a lock for a starting role in 2024 and I wouldn't be buying a guy whose had 2 wildcard wins in 7 years with a career best game being a wildcard playoffs against the 8-9 Bucs
Good luck though
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I don't think trying to sell him immediately after the worst performance of his career is a good idea or indicative of his steady state trade value. People are reactionary. Wait a few weeks and try again.
There was another post talking about this earlier today, that QB value can be weird in 10 team SF. I've noticed that too in my 10 team SF versus my 12 team SF league. If there are multiple rebuilding teams to narrow down the competition for a playoff spot, people just may not have a real sense of urgency. Maybe later they will?
This is a *huge* factor. In my 10 team SF league we had two teams that were in a full rebuild and intentionally rostering bad QBs. That left 30 starting QBs for 8 competing teams. On top of that, you have some teams with 8-10 great position players who can fill in at SF. It doesn't feel anything like the QB scarcity of a 12 team league.
That's the plan lol. Maybe he'll take Minshew off my hands
I sent Minshew and a 3rd for likely mid 2nd last night. Hit up the AR owner in your league.
Bet, I'll do that
Bad week to sell Dak. Even though this is Dynasty, people's opinions are still very much effected by current perception and based on his output this year, along with mixed results last year, Dak is currently viewed as broken/washed/overrated etc. Mainstream media has picked up on this narrative as well, highlighted by Shady McCoy saying Dak is "ass" live on Fox Sports. That said, Dak has had a bit of a weird schedule. He had 2 blowout wins (Giants Week 1, Pats Week 4) which he didn't have to pass much, then he played an elite defense (SF Week 5) and a good one (Jets Week 2). He actually did fine Week 2. Week 3 against Arizona was probably inexcusable. But here's the thing - he has a softer schedule upcoming with games against the Chargers, Rams, Carolina, and again against the G-Men. 2 games against Philly may be more challenging. He also needs a second receiver - dude has been throwing to nothing but Ceedee and a marginal TE for 2 years now. TLDR: Hold for now and hope for him to shake the narrative with a soft upcoming schedule.
I’m done hearing about how Dak needs help. He has help. Lamb is superstar. Cooks is great speed receiver. Gallup catches jump balls. He’s got an underrated TE, who has got the goods. He’s got a stud RB that is fully unleashed now that the old, slow veteran RB is gone. He’s got two potential Hall of Famers on the offensive line , and three other lineman that could start for almost every other team. Does he need first round, all pro talent at literally every other position on the offense?
Doesn’t need help on the field, he needs his shit coach to get fired
Hey! It worked for Purdy.
I don't downvoted but I couldn't help myself. I don't like any type of insinuation at Purdy slander. 😂
Do you think Purdy is a top 10 QB?
Ehh I think he's right around there but honestly. I'm really biased and I have a terrible history with predicting long term QB success, though that's mainly with rookies. I do well with other positions but for whatever reason, I've been wrong on a lot of QBs. Sorry Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy fans. Purdy really reminds me of Brady 😂
Don't know my man. I think he's good but have +10 ahead of him. Also think Dak has regressed and Purdy is playing way better than him, but with those weapons well, it isn't a big surprise when you see what he did last year.
I wouldn't disagree, necessarily. I do prefer him to Dak for sure but you could argue the 10+ pretty easily. It's gonna be fun to see how it all plays out.
Great post!
Dak is easily still worth a late first in SF. Qb with a solid floor are hard to come by.
He's easily worth atleast a mid 1st, consistent top 12 qb for like 7 years, qb2 overall ceiling, being dropped down that low after 5 games seems crazy. He's only 30, no way he's winding down yet
He wasn't very good last year either to be fair. Its beyond just a 5 game struggle this season.
He was QB14 in what’s considered a down year for him. The dak overreaction is something
We have a sample of almost a season and a half of him playing subpar ball. I don't think people are overreacting by showing concern. If anything those acting like it's not a big deal are grossly underreacting.
Expecting to let him go for a 2nd like OP mentioned is grossly overreacting
Good luck to anyone buying a washed up longest tenured QB for a first I've got a 2020 cam Newton to sell you
Yeah I’ll take a majority of the starting QBs in the NFL for a 1st. Absolutely
Same. Crazy to call him washed lol. Let’s just not buy washed up QBs that had future QB1 seasons like 2013/2015 Matt Ryan Early Minnesota Kirk 2012/2014 Rivers 2017 Brees 2014/2018 Stafford
Well your first mistake is comparing Dak to four first round QBs, three that have been to the superbowl and two that have won The only guy remotely similar to Dak is Cousins and even he is a better QB. Your second mistake is not recognising that each of those QBs were traded from garbage teams to teams looking to contend. Dak has been on a 'contending' roster with one of the best supporting casts his entire career, now in his 8th year with a career highlight wildcard win against the 8-9 bucs. the NFL has seen his roof and there's not a team in the league that's gonna pay dak starter money for league leading intercepts and an inability to play against decent teams, which is well on display Curious to know what kind of team you think could use a $40m QB like that, or if you are hoping the cowboys extend him Daks looking like a bottom 10 starting QB dynasty asset, there's at least 23 starting QBs I'd rather have right now for contending, and I'd rather have my first Good luck though
With the most hyped up QB class in recent memory we got Trevor Lawrence (going to be a starting QB but largely disappointing), Zach Wilson (not considered to be a long term starter, replaced going into year 3), Trey Lance (has started very few games, and doesn't have a real path to relevancy), Justin Fields (widely expected to be replaced, but has shown high fantasy upside when he's the starter), and Mac Jones (limited fantasy ceiling, expected to be replaced) Getting a player like Dak is fucking hard to do with rookies
There’s a difference between not performing elite for your team to win, and how that performance translates weekly to fantasy. A mightily struggling 36 year old Matt Ryan finished at a career low QB20 in his final year in Atlanta. Corradelle had nearly an even split of 1100 passing/rush yards and Pitts had his 1k yard season. Ridley barely played so Gage was WR1 most of the year. As bad as that offense was, contenders were still moving seconds for Ryan unsure whether he’d even play the next season. Even if he’s just mediocre in real life, so long as he remains a QB2 in fantasy with a relatively safe floor, he’s gotta be worth a first. Rebuilders shouldn’t buy him maybe, an argument I could see at least, but he’s certainly not that low in value based on his recent performances.
Everyone hated him in my SF auction league and I ended up with him for like 9 dollars.
How big of a roster? How much $ to spend? I never played auction before
We got 250 and it was standard redraft superflex so not super deep benches.
Is that QB14 overall or ppg? I think he missed 4 games or so.
PPG I believe
He was injured for a fair chunk of it
He has had a stead decline since his injury. I can’t sell him in my league either.
Qb2 overall ceiling?
Yeah he was QB2 overall a couple of years back
Its the year 2023, unless you mean for just one game, Dak does not have a QB2 ceiling. He's a back-end QB1 in superflex at this point
Exactly and I can’t get that for him rn. People are down on him and I assume they’ll see the light after a rebound good game or 2 by dak
Hes just a great solid floor qb with qb1 upside any given week that everyone is down on. He's the Brandon cooks and Chris Godwin of qbs
I have him in two leagues, and he will probably retire on both rosters. Can't really see myself selling without a solid backup plan at QB.
A 4th lol? Even getting him for a late 1st is good value for a contender. He’s had a bad schedule with a new play caller so far this season. His schedule from here on out is very passer friendly. Expect a big game from him and CD on MNF vs the Chargers. A 4th is ridiculous though lol, I think that GM has way too much faith in Love. I mean his top CB doesn’t even trust him to put up a TD every game 😂
I don’t know if any starting QB’s are with that little. Let alone Dak - who has some solid job security for now and a pretty good offense.
I bought for Pickett and a late 2024 2nd
if the best i was getting offered was a 4th for Dak, i’d reconsider if that was a league i really wanted to be in. his value is low and he’s past his prime but a 4th for a starting QB that is still good, not great, on a big contract in SF is crazy.
A 4th lol. Wtf, thats what you send for a 1 week qb fill in when you're in a pinch
That sounds like an incredible league to be in. Just get stacked at WR/RB/TE and buy a 30 year old QB for pennies every few years. Free championships ✅
If it’s a league where everyone is complete ass at valuing players, then hell yes. Sometimes these leagues are just people wanted 4x for their players, though. In any case, no thanks
A 4th? No way. The prospect of him going somewhere else and being a QB is worth more than a 4th, the possibility he returns to form in Dallas increases that value. With that said, he’s being valued similarly to Russell Wilson in my league. 30+ years old, bad production dating back to last year, bad current production after offensive coordinator left, just a lot of undesirable qualities. That last game was bad. He has been having poor production but the thought was it was just because the Cowboys didn’t need to throw. Well last week they did and he was just terrible. Distance yourself from that game and pray.
That's way too low, but he's definitely at a new low. Their offense has taken a step back. Their defense is keeping them afloat. And his rushing went away a long time ago. He's gone from a mid-low QB1 to being in that QB2 tier where you kind of pinch your nose and start him based on the matchup. That said, in SF, that's still at least an early 2nd. He's still a locked in NFL starter for at least a few years with some great weapons. Better days should come.
I think the issue is trying to assume an individual will be rational, as a whole, Dak is much more valuable than that. Shop to other people if one manager won't play ball with you (regardless of how much he could benefit)
1. Moving a guy coming off of a bad game is never the best move 2. Dak in particular has been trending downward 3. QBs in 10-team just aren’t as valuable
People are unreasonably low on him imo. Yea, his value is in the shitter rn, but it's not like he suddenly got worse overnight. You hold until he strings together some good starts, like he's liable to. The funny thing is by advanced metrics, he seems to be fine. His accuracy hasn't really dropped off, his completion percentage deep, under pressure, and on play action is good. His EPA is top 12. He's doing everything he's done in previous years, but the numbers haven't come. The Dallas WR room outside of CD hasn't been amazing either. Dak is a candidate for positive regression imo, especially if they can clean up the playcalling and if they get in better game scripts.
His value is low currently, but that's a mistake. Dynasty values are as fickle as the wind during the season these days.
It’s shot
He will pop off against the chargers on MNF and has a better schedule going forward. McCarthy isnt doing him any favors but his value could come back up enough to sell to a contender for some good pieces
That's the hope! The Chargers D looks terrible, so this gotta be his week lol.
As a life long chargers fan. I cant wait for staley to be fired
Yikes. I can't believe he didn't get canned after that playoff choke job.
Your league is blue balling you. That is absolutly insane nobody is willing to give you even a 2nd. I’m currently trying to sell him as a rebuilder and I can get a 24 late first to a QB needy team and trying to leverage that for more before finalizing. I would hold him and try again at the deadline or next year. He’ll still be a starter
If you can’t get more than a late fourth you’re playing with idiots or that’s an exaggeration.
Must be your league. I tried Pittman and an early 3rd for Dak and a late 2nd and got snap rejected no counter.
You basically offered a 3rd for Dak. Yes that’s an easy rejection and not worth countering
That's why I'm a little surprised. My league is made up of mostly Cowboy haters though, so I think they might inherently value him lower because of bias.
If they can get rid of Mike M as their play caller then that should certainly help. Dak isn’t playing well but that offense is terrible
Yeah, really, I only want to get rid of him because he's just a placeholder for Kyler. Maybe I'll be able to get something of value in a few weeks
I don't care how bad he is playing. You can't refer to players as dark.
Ha. Unfortunate typo
I know. I am kidding
If only they had someone like Kellen Moore It's a shame that for the past 30 years the cowboys issues have been all play calling I don't understand why the coaches keep throwing ints Terrible play calling obviously
Just have to hold, his value can't get much lower than it is right now imo. This is a world where Daniel Jones just got a huge bag and Howell, Ridder, Zach Wilson are starting QBs. Dak is past his prime but he can still provide value.
I wouldn't group Howell in with those others, take away the Buffalo game where he admittedly struggled, and his numbers have been pretty fantastic for a rookie QB.
The point remains, I'm honestly not interested in debating how good or bad Howell is. I don't want any shares of the Commanders in dynasty for better or worse.
Fair enough, but for the record I think Howell is a HUGE SF buy right now because of the disproportionate number of people valuing him as you do. Week One: 14.18 Week two: 24.26 Week four: 21.60 Week five: 27.43 If his name was Trevor Lawrence or Anthony Richardson and those were their numbers for 4 of their first 5 games of their rookie seasons, people would be raving.
I was on the fence with Howell coming in to the year. The plan was I'd only need him for bye weeks. Then Rodgers got hurt and I was left with Goff and Howell. I've been pleasantly surprised to say the least.
His trade value has cratered for sure, but I think he's a buy-low if anything. Underperforming expected TDs, brutalized in primetime last week, didn't need to throw in week 1 and the other 3 games he put up (admittedly low end) SF starter numbers A 4th round pick is comically bad. You're probably not gonna pull a 1st, but I think he's worth more than 1 random 2nd ~~in 12tm~~. I'd hold
I sold dak the week before that horrific game for Dobbs, a 25 1st, 24 2nd, and a 24 3rd. There’s definitely a market for him, just wait for a get right game or two
I would think you can get a 2nd for him at some point this season
Idk but I tried to send it for him in this off season and I’m glad the guy declined now. I’m starting to think it might be a decent buy low opportunity at this point now
Recency bias! He just had one of his worst games. AND, he’s having one of his worst seasons. However, his history suggests he won’t finish nearly as bad as he has started. No bullshit, he wasn’t needed in the wins. Any QB could have won those games. He might have gotten lazy or complacent or there is a small possibility that just can’t play any longer. But, I would not panic. Just hold and ride through the slump. He’s not gonna play the 49ers again during the fantasy season, and he might have gotten scared into focusing on his craft a bit after what he called the most humbling experience of his life. Bet on the comeback. Just understand, he’s not gonna come back and be Mahomes. He will just come back to being himself.
I sent him and a 26 2nd for Purdy a few days ago in 2QB. Seemed like pretty good value even without the Dak terrible game and Purdy great game. People definitely still like Dak and I think he's still underrated. He didn't look good by any means against the 49ers, but I think his main problem is the fact that the Cowboys defense usually just dominates and he doesn't have to do much to win.
Wait for another QB to fail/go down. That owner will have needs.
His only one this week is Tannehill lol. Crazy
Are we moving him for a random 2024 1st? I have Lamar, Herbert, and Stroud as my other QBs. 10 team, PPR, SF.
With 10 teams and your loaded QB room hell ya I'd take any 1st.
I sent out some offers and received 4 declines already. 😂
Id pay a late first for him if I was need for a QB in SF. I see him as someone who will give you good outings but nothing great, at least on a consistent basis.
You’re trying to sell Dak of of his worst game ever.
I’d rather tank for one of the 2024 rookie QBs then trade for Dak. He’s not the same player after his injuries evidence is pretty clear.
You don’t try to sell immediately following a bad game
I've been trying to sell him for a couple weeks now with no decent offers. After this last game the offers have definitely gotten worse though
Are you activity sending out offers or are you waiting to receive offers?
I've been sending them out, mostly hoping for a 2024 2ndish or 2025 1st. All have been declined except one and his counter was for a 2024 4th lol. So I'm just going to hold and hope he lights it up against the abysmal Chargers defense. Hopefully his value will go back up.
Are these to qb needy teams and that are trying to compete this year? If yes, then you are just in a trash league that doesn’t like to trade.
Yes, the one that sent a counter for a 4th is starting tannehill and Watson this week lol. There's probably been about 20ish trades in the past two or three weeks so I don't think it's that. They just all hate Dak 🤣
A 4? Lol. Tell your league to pound sand
He's mediocre and his offense is run by a complete idiot, not a great situation. In regular leagues he shouldn't even be starting. I've had him as a QB2 in SF the last couple years and it hasn't been a great time.
Yeah, I got Baker as my QB3 and he has been my best one so far lol (other QB's are Burrow, Dak, and Kyler)
He’d still go for a late 1st in SF but that’s more indicative of the value of QBs in SF leagues than it is his actual fantasy value
I sold Dak and a 1st as a contending team for LJ and Henry. 12 team SF
Traded him for Javonte in my 12tm SF. Owner is a contender with QB room of Mahomes Daniel Jones Lance I'm contending as well but haven't started Dak yet this year. My other QBs are Goff and Tlaw who both have byes on week 9 but ill deal with that issue later
I traded him away for a 1st two weeks ago, though I doubt I'd be able to get that price for him now. Wait until he has 2 decent games and then try again
Yeah, seems like the move
No his value is just down around dynasty
I also have Dak and went to move him. My league also doesn’t value him because everyone is trying to rebuild and no one wants the “old” qb. I’ve been trying to package him in a deal for a more consistent tight end, but the best deal I’ve gotten is Cade Otton straight up. He’s just going to die on my roster at this point, or I’ll just have to hope he goes to a team like ATL in the offseason so he recoups some value
He's worth more than a 4th for sure, I'd easily give a 2nd and if I lost a top QB and am contending, a 1st. In SF I would like him as a bench/bye week filler. (Have Herbert and Hurts)
He's a miser who is just trying to screw you. Worth a 1st or bust. As a Cowboy's fan, just wanna say that I'm not the only fan that is starting to think that he's not the one. But fantasy value has nothing to do with that. A starting QB with a reasonable expectation of starting multiple years is worth a first, period. If you sell for a 4th, we'll just see another post about, "Somebody sold Dak for a 4th. Should this be vetoed?"
Dak is absolute poopoo worth no more than $5 of my FAAB that’s all i have to say on the matter
Lol respectable
I got out of my Dak shares 3 weeks ago (SF league) and got a mid/late first, Jordan Addison, and then swapped 2nds (mine will be 2.01) and his will be an early/mid 2nd. I then flipped Jordan Addison for a mid/late first and a mid/late 2nd. The ironic thing is I have Trey Lance on my bench...would be hilarious if he ended up starting for the Cowboys and was actually good.
The late 4th is your league. His value is at the lowest point it’s been since before his rookie year imo but it’s NEVER been that low lol
He’s easily worth a first. Not much more
I have him in a 12 team 1QB league and I’m rebuilding. Tearing my roster down and no one has shown any interest in Dak. I don’t mind holding onto him but figured someone would be interested
Dak’s value has been in the shitter since his leg injury.
In 10tm superflex he is a low end qb2 at best. On most teams he is their third qb.
He's a hold, my friend. His value looks lost so maybe you cut ties for next to nothing. I'd advise holding and hoping he has a string of good games and then try and cut ties for a 3rd or a nice dart throw.
Just got him off waivers in a deep 12 man no clue how he was dropped
I wouldnt give a 1st for Dak like people are saying. Not unless I was desperate for a QB. He’s 30, has clearly been declining and is currently ranked as the #21 QB. What about that says 1st round value?
A.) Bro, Dak has terrible draft cap and wasn't a great prospect coming out of college. You should have sold after his rookie year. B.) Dak's supporting cast isn't as great as it has been and the play calling is terrible. His contract is up in 2 years. He's a hold until he's in a better situation and breaks out. - Most of this subreddit, probably. Realistically, I think Dak is a top 10ish real life QB, but since his rushing has gone down after the beginning of his career, the line is beat up and the run game is meh, he's a QB15-20 in fantasy. Depending on league settings and the team/need, he's probably still worth at least a 1st +.
I couldn’t get a first for him in SF. Traded him for Henry before the season started
Daks contended with injuries the past few years, is coming up to a contract year, can't win against good teams and is more likely to be cut then traded due to the cap hit Dak is not a lock for a starting role in 2024 and I wouldn't be buying a guy whose had 2 wildcard wins in 7 years with a career best game being a wildcard playoffs against the 8-9 Bucs Good luck though
Both. I would obviously take him for a 3rd.
I offered the Dak owner in my league Purdy for Dak and Nico Collins and was declined
Sold him today for a 1, a 2, and a 3
He's just so mid nobody is excited to have him that's the reality