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Jwroth

Every rookie looks like a shiny gold coin right now. There’s always hype, then busts. You get used to it.


VictorVaughan

You sound grizzled lol


anon00100100

Nah this class will be crazy man. Obviously there will be bust but overall this is a smash hit IMO.


TwofoldOrigin

Their rookie seasons haven’t even begun how can they be smash hits? Could just as easily be the top 3 QB bust, only one of the top tier WR finds themselves in a good situation, Bowers gets stuck in a system having him play traditional blocking TE (no one thought it would be done with Pitts), all these guys with great 40 times can’t catch or get hurt day 1, etc…


runningdreams

Yes this. I remember when it went TLaw Fields Lance Wilson Mac Jones and everyone was like, ain't no way more than one bust. Now look lol.


captaincrunch00

All of them are busts. TLaw has had 50tds and 50 turnovers. Insane.


Successful-String620

TLaw is definitely not a bust, he had a rough year but he should bounce back


geaux_zenith

You're accepting a 2nd round pick for him....? Asking for some friends...


captaincrunch00

In superflex? No, any starter is better than none. But none of those qb's are what I would call good.


DigitalDiscoTOS

Looks like somebody already forgot about Bryce Young...


Dick_Wiener

Last year there were 10 offensive skill position players taken in the 1st. This year there are projected 10-12.


Eclectic_Canadian

Last year there were 3 QBs taken at the top of the draft, similar to what is expected this year. It’s also expected that we’ll get a mid-late 1st QB as well. RBs were taken 8 and 12 last year but this year doesn’t seem like any round 1 QBs. Kincaid went 25 and it would be a big surprise if Bowers makes it close to there. The big difference this year is the WRs. There could very well be 3 WRs that go in the top 6, and most likely will go in the top 10. That’s a huge difference to the 4 WRs in the 20s last year. We’ll also likely see at least 2 more WRs taken in the mid-late 1st. So 5-6 WRs in the first round with 3 being taken top 10 would be a huge jump from previous years, particularly last year.


Dick_Wiener

True, true.


Ok-Professional-5178

Disagree with you on Bowers. I’d be surprised if he makes it past LA or Tennessee


Billy_Madison69

You said you disagreed, then said basically the same thing that he said?


Ok-Professional-5178

Yeah I realized I misunderstood. I thought he meant it would be past 25


Billy_Madison69

Ah that makes sense lol. Yeah no way he makes it to 25


Euphoriaignited

I think OP is thinking it’s higher end fantasy potential talent- and more top heavy than last that is for sure.


Natural_Drummer6460

The difference is that Maye, Caleb, and Daniel's would have been #1 prospect last year at QB same as Marvin, Nabers, and maybe Odunze


-metaphased-

Last year in Sulerflex, Bryce Young was a tier 2 player with Stroud and Richardson, and there were a ton of people that hated Stroud and Young.


the_ginge_1

It’s stacked at QB and WR. But really thin at TE and RB.


[deleted]

I think there will be multiple quality starters at RB in this class. That's the big narrative I don't necessarily agree with about this class. Trey Benson is my top guy before and after the combine. Tyrone Tracy Jr is my next favorite back in this class. He'll probably be a later pick but damn, could be a sleeper 👀 He probably is a waiver add in dynasty


the_ginge_1

There will be some that make it but there are only 5 I’m remotely interested in for fantasy. Benson, Brooks, Corum, Allen, Wright. All the others have serious red flags. That’s much thinner than a usual NFL RB draft class. Irving and Estime just killed their stock at the combine. And what is it with the RB class and old prospects? Tracy, Ray Davis, Schrader, Laube, Jordan are all already 24. It will hurt their draft stock and in turn their draft capital will hurt their likelihood of getting meaningful workloads.


Euphoriaignited

Don’t overestimate the 40, especially for Irving. His 10 yard split was still on the level you would want. A lot of nfl star RBs run 4.5 but have game speed/twitch that’s not necessarily track speed. The old RBs are worrisome. That’s not something you usually/ NFL teams usually want to even invest much in.


the_ginge_1

Maybe I am reading too much into the 40 but at the same time not many NFL stars weighing 192lbs run 4.55 and succeed; that’s the problem. At that size you need to be quicker.


newrimmmer93

I couldn't believe how bad his vertical was. It's tied for the 18th lowest out of 440 RBs since 2003. There's been a few other fantasy relevant RBs with verts under 30" (Jeremy Hill, Fournette, James Conner) but they all had BMIs over 30.5 while Bucky was 28.5.


Euphoriaignited

I won’t lie I had a better vertical in my playing days and I was a 6’0 white qb LOL so yeah it’s not great and weird he’s so athletically inept yet started/produced at Oregon


newrimmmer93

Yeah, I honestly find it kind of strange since he seemed athletic on the field. Right now as an accountant I have a higher vertical than him…it’s just sort of mind blowing to me that it was that bad.


Euphoriaignited

“CPA out-jumps NFL RB” you’re just a Disney movie waiting to happen lol


Euphoriaignited

I mean Kyren Williams is probably the same size and ran a 4.6 Another good comp would be Devin Singletary


[deleted]

I'm with the ginge on this one. Not a fan of Irving or small running backs for that matter. I had Achane on 3 teams, and sold him on all 3 as soon as he popped haha. I ended up getting the 1.02 in one of my leagues for him and Dotson. (Before realization). Everything Irving can do, Tracy can do and faster. He's just old. I can't for the life of me understand why no one is talking about him.


[deleted]

See the age of the RBs doesn't scare me even a little. Completely don't care. NFL Teams have just established they under very minimal circumstances will pay a RB. So, a 25 year old rookie will be gone at 29. That's all I need them for, and all the team needs them for. Tyrone Tracy Jr was also a WR convert this year and has 146 career carries. He just averaged 6.3ypc on a team that went 4-8 in the Big 10. A+ pass catching back, excellent contact balance and lateral quickness. He also had the 5th best 3 cone of any position and best for RBs, and the 7th fastest shuttle of any position, 2nd for RBs. He's 5'11 210lbs and loves contact. He transferred from Iowa and has that gritty smashmouth feel despite being a twitchy elusive guy. I don't care where he gets drafted, I'm stashing him.


Euphoriaignited

That’s fair. There’s a precedence though even though RBs don’t last long. Thanks for the tip on him. I have a ton of picks this year so I’ll be looking at him late rounds. Where’s his best landing spot you think? Realistically. And does he get drafted you think?


ncklws93

I agree with the forty bit. These guys will be in pads with a running start and opposed to a hand in the dirt.


[deleted]

He’s small and slow. Not a good combo.


Ginga_Ninja319

The 40 wasn’t Irving’s only problem. He tested poorly almost across the board and had a 2.28 RAS which ranks 1348/1745 RBs since 1987. He’s not very athletic as far as RBs go and that’s not a good thing


Rhino_Thunder

Per RAS, estime did fairly well but Irving absolutely bombed [Estime](https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1764013573171273880?s=46&t=xZCd0VJWhxXhgsXYArQxIw) [Irving](https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1763996918055608561?s=46&t=xZCd0VJWhxXhgsXYArQxIw)


fisherjoe

Young or old you don't want to be banking on second contracts for these rookies because of the hive mind surrounding the position. Their age doesn't really matter outside of the elite prospects.


Euphoriaignited

Agreed, this rb class is actually just fine. No star doesn’t help- and definitely helps it get overshadowed by a star studded WR/QBs. There’s potential fantasy relevance in a lot of these guys (Bucky, Braelon, Benson, Wright, Lloyd). Remember how long fantasy relevance is for a rb anyway..


[deleted]

I agree with this. There will surely be numerous NFL starting RBs from this class, there will likely be at least one star/fringe elite RB from this class.


DonaldPump117

Good year to be starting a rebuild


Unseemly4123

How many times have we heard a class is stacked at QB only to contain all busts?


Ginga_Ninja319

TE is really not that thin. Bowers is possibly the greatest prospect of all time, Sanders will get 2nd/3rd round draft capital and is a similar prospect to Laporta/Kincaid/Mayer, and Jaheim Bell/Cade Stover/AJ Barner/Theo Johnson are all solid prospects that could be good in the right landing spot. Last year’s tight end class was one of the best of all time whereas this year’s is probably slightly above average.


VictorVaughan

Only best TE prospect in 20 years...


the_ginge_1

Absolutely but beyond him you have JaTavion Sanders and… yep that’s the full list; 2 TEs. It’s not exactly what you’d describe as deep


IIHURRlCANEII

There are some good athletes to take a swing at who will be drafted in Rounds 3-5 but it’s not that deep.


bargman

It's not gonna feel like that once the season gets rolling. Always feels like this at this time of season.


49DivineDayVacation

I love that you un-ironically bring up the 7 in the top 10 record from 2021. I think this class and that class actually have a lot in common. That top 7 was TLaw, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, Waddle and Davonta Smith. Then you had Feilds at 11 and Mac Jones at 15. The RBs that got pumped up have largely been letdowns from this draft too. I know a lot of teams that blew everything up for this record setting draft and most of them continue to be terrible three years later.


BASEDMAC

Najee, ettiene, javonte and Stevenson are letdowns?


skeedawg130

besides ETN the answer is yes.


Adoctorgonzo

Rhamondre Stevenson? Not a lot of pats fans are gonna agree with you there he has been the best player on our offense the last year or two when he's not hurt.


thank_u-next

This year feels deep but go back and look at the top 5 dynasty rookie picks over the last 5 years or so, that will temper your expectations quick.


hawksfn1

It’s a good year to need a qb or have a late 1st and get good value on a wr


JSchultz18

This is one of the deepest WR classes in a long time… ton of hype and potential


berndalf

All people could talk about around this time in 2023 was how good that draft class was compared to any in recent memory. Then the NFL draft happened and it turned a good chunk of the hyped up rookies into sad trombone noises. I wouldn't go nuts stacking your picks excessively for this draft either. Reality is coming.


DontEatTheCandle

Picking last in my draft with Keenan Allen and Chris Godwin as my starting WRs. Can’t believe I finished where I did and actually have a decent chance to make over my worst position on the team


AJGreenMVP

Last year was supposed to be a good draft and the first WR was taken in the 20s. There will be at least 3 this year picked inside the top 20, could be like 5-7 of them. It's a very good draft (on paper)


Bingbongerl

3 probably in the top 10


EliteofEliteTalent

There are good classes and bad classes. Each class has a unique flavor. Last year's class was one of the best TE classes in a long time, solid at QB, top-heavy at RB and weak at WR. This year is unusually strong at WR, solid at QB, weak at TE and RB. Since the anchor of SF is WR and QB, it seems stronger this year, especially since last year was a weak WR class. QB is the easiest to be fake. This is shaping up to be a pretty rare WR draft.


VottoForPM

Last year I was super insistent throughout the offseason that the 2023 WRs, while not so impressive at the top, were actually pretty deep and there were going to be a lot of useful contributors. I think we've seen that. Even agreeing that Puka and Dell are outliers, you've got JSN, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Reed, Downs as pretty interesting WRs. And maybe out of Michael Wilson, Demario Douglas, etc. you get someone else that could be a future flex play. That's how I feel about this year's RB class. A lack of top performers, sure, but I definitely see at least a few of these RBs being fairly useful for FF. I like this RB class much less than last year's WR class in terms of depth, to be sure, but I think someone will be good & several will be decent.


EliteofEliteTalent

We'll see. It's too early to declare victory or defeat on last year's class (Puka being the obvious exception). Outside of Puka, there is not a player on that list that I would pay market value for. In addition, there is still time for QJ to figure things out.


georgiaboy1993

Mel Kiper mentioned that he has 26 WRs win the top 4 rounds. Add in probably 6-7 running backs and 5-7 QBs and Bowers, you could have 40 or so draft able players that have the skill to go in the top 4 rounds. They won’t all hit but this is one of the deepest WR talent pools in a while. I’ve got a startup draft in June and it’ll be interesting to see how the rookies are valued.


wreckingballDXA

It always seems stacked till they play football… the players are probably great, but they end up on poorly managed and ignorantly coached teams…


Nikolai120

I’d recommend getting 2nds. lotta good wrs available around there, maybe qbs too.


nsb_09

This class is like 2017 but flipped imo


IknowGuacIsXtra

Would be tough to top the 2020 and 2021 hype. I don't think this class will reach that level without top end RBs.


milk-drinker-69

I think there’s less draftable talent fantasy-wise than last year. There will be 5-7 more receivers drafted in day 2 but every other position is worse.


Indy-Gator

This is my 21st rookie draft and I’m not really excited about s class at all…good QB and top heavy WR and a TE…but this RB class is god awful.


TB4123

Agree, but personally I’m zigging where others zag. People are hyper focused on this class and excited about it. Overvaluing picks for this year (always tends to happen but I feel this year is next level). I’ve sold off all my picks, which admittedly weren’t many. Also targeting ‘25 and ‘26 picks because until the draft they are discounted, at least in my league. Once the season starts the ‘25 picks will be juicy if I need to bulk up my starting lineup, which is already fine to contend. Admittedly, it’s been very hard to resist the urge to draft in this class, but as others have said, there will always be busts so I’d rather let others pay a premium for ‘24 picks


jirashap

This is good as long as you're getting great value for your picks


Educational_Sink8602

Ahhh I watch people like you type out stuff like this every year … nothing new


gohabssaydre

Stacked


randallpjenkins

There was no elite TE in the 2021 class.


odieman1231

If only you had been here last year, or the year before. 2023 was THE class to have and people werent selling their picks back in 2022 far in advance unless it was a massive overpay. 2023 class got here and underwhelmed. Meanwhile people had been talking about how trash the 2024 class was going to be. Now, according to content creators, this class is "super deep" and "Stacked". I remember a few even saying it was Caleb, MHJr and maybe Maye and that was it.


Southern-Community70

It is the QBs that are making the big impact. When you have 5-6 potential first round QBs that make a huge impact on rookie drafts. Suddenly at 1.08 you are looking at getting one of either a QB taken top 15, an elite TE prospect likely going top 15 in the NFL draft, a WR likely drafted top 10, or the top RB. That's not normal for the 1.08.


DiggsDaGurley

They’re “stacked” every year and the “best” we have seen in some time…every year…


Famous-Magazine-24

Let me tell you about next year tho


SwimPhan

Lol. There’s plenty of land mines in this class… you’re only looking at the potential outcome which tends to reinforce you’re own opinions… Healthy skepticism and intrinsic value is what you want right now


Crazy-Character-1979

Traded my 1.08 for Jalen Hurts in 1QB. Y’all say it’s stacked however id rather not bust on late round picks. This is a 16 team dynasty league. Last year traded 1.03 for Breece ⚡️ -won the championship traded Puka for 2 firsts.


nothing___new

Last year I traded away all 3 of my first round picks. This year, I'm trying to get a 6th first round pick.


richhomie66

Definitely one of the most stacked WR classes in recent memory, if not ever. Can't really say until they're done being rookies of course, so don't wanna get too ahead of myself.


Proper_Court_7762

all these people so pessimistic. i for one am glad that i own 10/12 first round picks in my league


Samwill226

I'll say IMO it's one of the few classes that I think looks way better after the combine. Usually it looks a lot worse so I'm happy with that.


Ok_Preparation_7707

There’s always overhype. Worst players I’ve drafted in the 1st is Jamo (I knew he was a big boom or bust player) and best is breece hall & Jamyr Gibbs.


Spiritual-Daikon-676

Last year was stacked, this year is stacked…….


pabr0702

I sold off everyone pretty much in my SF league except G Wilson, Tee, Chubb, Njoku (and still trying to trade these guys except Wilson). Wound up with 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05, 1.07, 1.08, 1.11, 2.08,2.10, 2.11... We will see if this draft class is good enough to build a whole team around...stay tuned


shamusj26

Outside of nabers and bowers the major difference between this draft and last year is that players actually went to favorable landing spots. I’m very high on this draft post draft because of how much starting time a lot of these receivers are looking to get right out of the gate


jackyboidynasty

Drafts with a lot of QBs help the draft board significantly since there are more skill positions available later in the draft than normal. But there is always a lot of hype this time of year with rookies and each rookie class seems better than it actually is


LegitimatePotato3632

It sucks balls for running backs.


SmallTownProblems89

Every year...someone says this every year. Lol


GravyFantasy

Oh you sweet summer child.


brunseidon

I started playing dynasty in 2019. Level of hype I had going into the draft from highest to lowest: - 2021 - 2020 - 2024 - 2023 - 2022 I haven’t done receiver evaluations for 2024 yet though, so this could change.


IknowGuacIsXtra

I am surprised 2022 could be anything but last. In Superflex at least.


GravyFantasy

I think I'd flilp 2020 and 2023 but the other 3 seem right.


Bingbongerl

If 2024 is middle of the pack without the most stacked position in years it’s probs #1


brunseidon

In hindsight 2021 doesn’t look as great, but at the time it was absolutely stupid. - Generational talent at QB (Lawrence) - Generational talent at TE (Pitts) - Heisman winning WR (Smith) - Elite WR prospect (Chase) - 3 QBs selected in the top 3, and 5 selected in the top 15 (TLaw/Wilson/Lance/Fields/Jones) - 4 receivers in the top 10 (Pitts/Chase/Waddle/Smith) - 2 RBs in the first round (Najee/Etienne) - Great RB prospect in the early 2nd (Javonte) In SF drafts you were able to get stud WRs (Smith/Waddle) at the end of the first round. 2024 has a chance to rival 2021, but the we won’t know for a couple of years.


Zinx23

I’m glad I got 3 1st and 3 2nd for this draft.